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General Newbold	Posted - 2008.09.29 18:40:00 - [1] Hi which should i purchase? is the hurricane worth the extra cash? its my first BC by the way! The general
General Newbold	Posted - 2008.09.29 18:40:00 - [2] Hi which should i purchase? is the hurricane worth the extra cash? its my first BC by the way! The general
Florio Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.09.29 18:48:00 - [3] If you want raw tanking ability over a very short time period then the cyclone, with cap booster and x-large shield booster. This takes very high fitting skills. For everything else, the hurricane. Probably the best battlecruiser in the galaxy.
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.09.29 18:53:00 - [4] Originally by: Florio If you want raw tanking ability over a very short time period then the cyclone, with cap booster and x-large shield booster. This takes very high fitting skills. For everything else, the hurricane. Probably the best battlecruiser in the galaxy. after the Harbi (1) and the gasp! Drake (2) ---- ECCM is a Counter-measure not a defense.
Florio Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.09.29 19:01:00 - [5] perhaps, but the drake loses points for being boring and lacking in style. very important that.
Nevenda'ar	Posted - 2008.09.29 19:01:00 - [6] Originally by: Florio If you want raw tanking ability over a very short time period then the cyclone, with cap booster and x-large shield booster. This takes very high fitting skills. For everything else, the hurricane. Probably the best battlecruiser in the galaxy. Heh, you got me interested and just now i tried to EFT a XL booster cyclone.... What can i say, 820 dps tank sure is nice, and i'm sure people can do beter as I wasnt even trying ( bear in mind i never flew a shield tanked ship before ) Problem is, drake probably does the same thing a lot better anyway, and you dont need the cap booster eithier
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.29 19:08:00 - [7] XL SB Cyclones are (at best) baitships and don't have the capacitor to actually make it work acceptably (IMO). Before I suggest anything relatign to Cyclone/Hurricane - I have to ask if this is for PVE or PVP. For PVE, the Cyclone is probably a better choice (especially in the beginning). For PVP, the Hurricane is a more efficient choice. That said, I really like flying my Cyclone in PVP (It's cheap, what can I say?). :) -Liang
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.29 19:31:00 - [8] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 29/09/2008 19:31:28 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 29/09/2008 19:30:58 Cyclone is more newbie-friendly for PvE. Hurricane for PvP - all the way. The only thing the Cyclone does noticeably better is tank, which is not really that useful outside of specific circumstances. The Hurricane is a all-around better ship really. Plus, it has the single sexiest hull of all the BCs - which goes a long way ;) Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail mods@ccpgames.com ~Saint
General Newbold	Posted - 2008.09.29 21:13:00 - [9] its really for pve and a bit of pvp if needed i just wondered if it was worth the extra cash
Liang Nuren No Salvation	Posted - 2008.09.29 21:22:00 - [10] Originally by: General Newbold its really for pve and a bit of pvp if needed i just wondered if it was worth the extra cash A word of advice: Never PVP in the same ship you PVE. For PVE, I would say it's worth it if you have a good idea how to handle aggro (otherwise you'll end up overtanking and the Cyclone would be a better bet). For PVP, it's worth it if you enough cash to buy it. -Liang

Johann Callasan	Posted - 2008.09.30 01:48:00 - [11] Originally by: General Newbold Hi which should i purchase? is the hurricane worth the extra cash? its my first BC by the way! The general Let's be completelyt honest here, about more than one thing. First off, when it comes to Miny BCs it really comes down to a choice between PvE and PvP. The Cyclone can fit a better tank, that tells for PvE mostly. The Hurricane can fit better gank - generally better for PvP. NEITHER ONE is optimal for missioning - the Cyclone is just better at it than the Hurricane is. The acknowledged King of Missioning ships pre-level4 is the Drake, which has the best tank bar none of any pre-BS ship, ESPECIALLY at BC 5. It's a good snipership with it's missile armament, and it's tank can be pushed to very high levels with suboptimal skills. It can be OK at PvP, it is NOT OPTIMAL for that given current conditions in PvP. Harbinger is very good as a mission ship, too - as long as you're not fighting Angels :) Gallente I don't have much experience with their BCs - so can't (and won't) comment on them :) The choice depends on what you wnat to do - and if you want to PvP< get a second BC for that. If your skills are adequate, running L3s you can make the 30 mil or so for a BC in about 4 days worth of missioning in a good hub. Personally, I use a Drake as my main mission ship - and a Hurricane for my salvage ship :)
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.30 02:19:00 - [12] Originally by: Johann Callasan NEITHER ONE is optimal for missioning - the Cyclone is just better at it than the Hurricane is. WTS clue. Cyclone has 5 turrets with a 25% ROF bonus, with 3 misc launchers Hurricane has 6 turrets with a double damage bonus, with 2 misc launchers. Both fitting the same tank etc, the cyclone is +1 mid and -2 lows. Which means you can have a TC, but you're missing out on a gyro and TE... along with less turret slots that are less bonused. Missions are about gank, not tank. If you think otherwise you're mistaken. EX. [Hurricane, Missions] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Tracking Enhancer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II 10MN Afterburner II Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Explosion Dampening Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Havoc Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Havoc Heavy Missile Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Warrior II x5
InsanlyEvlPerson Gallente Night-Stalkers	Posted - 2008.09.30 03:07:00 - [13] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: General Newbold its really for pve and a bit of pvp if needed i just wondered if it was worth the extra cash A word of advice: Never PVP in the same ship you PVE. For PVE, I would say it's worth it if you have a good idea how to handle aggro (otherwise you'll end up overtanking and the Cyclone would be a better bet). For PVP, it's worth it if you enough cash to buy it. -Liang while this is true for more fair fights, most good mission fits can fight off or kill (if u fit a scram) any can flipper in a frig or cruiser... while this is about the only circumstance, i also find my beam zealot (in full mission fit) excellent at running off my buddies nanos... i cant tackle them, so i cant kill them, but they cant touch me. point is, in certain defensive situations, a PvE fitted ship can do double duty. disclaimer i've been doing this for a long time, and have very high skills. lack of experience and/or SP may result in damage, loss of ship, or in rare cases death. InsanlyEvlPerson is not responsible for any side effects of this strategy. --------------------------------------------- I may be a bit over Zealot, but i cant help myself, its the best investment i ever made!
Helsir Qyrdun The Forsakened Companions	Posted - 2008.09.30 04:52:00 - [14] I had a Cyclone fit with Autocannons and Heavy Missiles that used a XL shield booster and still managed to fit tackle and cap booster. Not sure what exactly I had on it though. =\ It was pretty fun though, the shield booster was excellent.
King Rothgar	Posted - 2008.09.30 08:57:00 - [15] Edited by: King Rothgar on 30/09/2008 09:04:28 Hurricane for many reasons. First off the hurricane is far more damaging even with low skills. It has sufficient grid to run either artillery or autocannons but I recommend arty for missioning. A decent armor tank on it is more than sufficient for any lvl3 mission and typically you can fit a gyro or 2 on the lows as well. This leaves your mids open for cap rechargers, an afterburner or webber or whatever else you might want to put there. The hurricane also looks good while the cyclone looks like a frieght train with solar panels. The cyclone is cheaper and is shield tanked, that's about all it has. Shields are less efficient than armor and so you will have more problems with cap if you use shields. Shield tanks also prevent the usage of wonderful devices like afterburners, webbers and cap rechargers. Cap power relays can be used but they cripple your shield booster so that's a no go. I'm inclined to say that under no circumstance is the cyclone preferable to a hurricane. Even if you can't afford a hurricane, my advise is to just wait. The cyclone is worthless. Oh btw, in regards to drake vs hurricane, hurricane wins. It can run missions faster and my hurricane has killed many drakes. Come to think of it, out of all the 1 vs 1 fights I've had with drakes in a hurricane, I don't think I've ever lost. And I'm not exactly the greatest pvper in eve. Drake is a simpler ship though, outragously tough it is.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.09.30 09:06:00 - [16] Cane is probably the better ship if you focus only on gank or tank. Cyclone can sort of do both, but neither is as good as it is on a Cane dedicated to doing one or the other. Armor tanked ships have to choose between solid tank or gank in most cases, but the Cyclone has a built-in T2 boost amp (with BC 5) and the fitting space to have a decent shield tank, five turrets and some launchers, plus damage mods. With a MWD it's pretty quick for a BC, even without speed mods.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.09.30 09:09:00 - [17] Hurricane, if you absolutely must fly Minmatar. The Cyclone is complete trash, while the Hurricane is just mediocre. A Harbinger or Drake will massively outperform either.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.30 09:51:00 - [18] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 30/09/2008 09:54:25 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Hurricane, if you absolutely must fly Minmatar. The Cyclone is complete trash, while the Hurricane is just mediocre. A Harbinger or Drake will massively outperform either. Hurricane is balanced by a hidden role bonus of 100% hull coolness, tbh. At any rate, in the BC world, Hurricane is not that bad. It is somewhat sub-par to the Harbringer for nearly all practical situations, but not everything. Where it outdoes the Harbringer (short range setups - comparing beam Harbringer v arty Hurricane would be silly, given how Beams rule in contrast to Artillery): - small advantage in agility and topspeed - a small damage advantage in <3-4km performance - it can fire under neuts - something the Harbringer has to dedicate a slot for Downsides: - somewhat less EHP - somewhat worse damage output in 5km-13km window - totally sub-par damage output in the 13km-28km window - unlike the Harbringer, it takes a while to switch short range to long range ammo Overall, the Harbringer IS a better ship, but it's not a absurd advantage like comparing Minmatar and Amarr BS (where only the Minmatar Typhoon is worth discussing, and its performance at range is virtually non-existent - I have to resort to sentry drone usage + 2-3 single-bonused ACs if anything is outside webrange until I train for Amarr BS or T2 torps so I can finally use javelins). Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail mods@ccpgames.com ~Saint
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.09.30 09:56:00 - [19] You're right, which is why I only said it was mediocre, not worthless trash like the battleships. It's not so much that it's a bad ship, it's just up against competition that is really **ing awesome. The Hurricane may get the job done decently in many cases, but it just feels really underwhelming. The sad thing is the Hurricane is one of the best Minmatar ships...
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:06:00 - [20] Originally by: Merin Ryskin You're right, which is why I only said it was mediocre, not worthless trash like the battleships. It's not so much that it's a bad ship, it's just up against competition that is really **ing awesome. The Hurricane may get the job done decently in many cases, but it just feels really underwhelming. The sad thing is the Hurricane is one of the best Minmatar ships... Yeah, I have to agree with this fully, when you put it like that. In the end, it's a example of a good ship plagued by its guns being a sub-par weapon system.

BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:09:00 - [21] >.> ponts at the star-destroyer rip-off How dare you fly anything else :P
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:10:00 - [22] Originally by: Merin Ryskin The sad thing is the Hurricane is one of the best Minmatar ships... Same goes for drake with Caldari...
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:13:00 - [23] Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: Merin Ryskin The sad thing is the Hurricane is one of the best Minmatar ships... Same goes for drake with Caldari... Err, what? How is that even remotely true? The Drake is an awesome ship, and one of the best Caldari ships, but Caldari have plenty of other awesome ships. The fact that it's "one of the best" is a comment on how awesome it is to overcome such tough competition for the title. The Hurricane is a mediocre ship, and one of the few Minmatar ships that reach even that level. The fact that it's "one of the best" is a sad comment on how the rest of the Minmatar ships suck so much that a mediocre BC is the best they've got. The two situations are not at all comparable.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:19:00 - [24] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: Merin Ryskin The sad thing is the Hurricane is one of the best Minmatar ships... Same goes for drake with Caldari... Err, what? How is that even remotely true? The Drake is an awesome ship, and one of the best Caldari ships, but Caldari have plenty of other awesome ships. The fact that it's "one of the best" is a comment on how awesome it is to overcome such tough competition for the title. The Hurricane is a mediocre ship, and one of the few Minmatar ships that reach even that level. The fact that it's "one of the best" is a sad comment on how the rest of the Minmatar ships suck so much that a mediocre BC is the best they've got. The two situations are not at all comparable. Ok you said.. Hurricane is one of minmatars best ships.. I said.. So Is drake You said.. How is that even remotely true Then later you said.. The Drake is an awesome ship, and one of the best Caldari ships If youd have said in the post i forst quoted hurri is one of minmatars ONLY good ships..id have understood better.. Oh and just for some dribble about why i think the drake gets a high rating: As much is I hate the drake, It is simply put, very good. Cheap Huge tank Decent dps Can tackle Only Caldari ship to be able to do so with some efficiency, which is why it gets one otf the top spots.. I dont like it due to my love of niche ships, but for cost/efficiency its hard to be beaten by another cal ship...
Furb Killer Gallente The first genesis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:35:00 - [25] Too bad you cant do them all at once in a drake.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:39:00 - [26] Originally by: Furb Killer Too bad you cant do them all at once in a drake. Yes, you can. In fact, it's trivially easy to do so. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail mods@ccpgames.com ~Saint
Saietor Blackgreen The First Foundation	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:47:00 - [27] To the OP: I used to run missions in Hurricane from very early, and constantly looked at Cyclone as alternative, as I progressed - and it never was better, really. Cyclone is a mini-Typhoon - it is very skill intensive. It works better than Hurri in missios if you are very low on tanking skills (hurricane cant hold), or if you have very high skills (guns+drones+missiles), and can utilize all the Cyclone's weapons really well. Bracket of Hurricane superiority is wide, so I'd recommend you Hurricane over Cyclone. To the BC discussion: A dogma about drake being inferior for PvP is a common misconception. Its just that lots of new players use it for noob-mission and then noob-pvp in pve setups - but thats just reputation. Hurricane is easier to fit, it works with not-so-perfect skills, and then gets better as you train up. It's also very interesting ship - I have 6 very different setups in my EFT for it, and all of them are very practical, not theoretical. And it looks cool :) Drake is harder to fit for good PVP with low skills, but as soon as you get classic T2HAM+MWD+Web+Scram+LSE+Invu+BCUs+Ext/Recharge rigs setup, you are in a very mean PVP machine, much meaner than Hurricane, I'd say.
Saietor Blackgreen The First Foundation	Posted - 2008.09.30 10:48:00 - [28] Originally by: Furb Killer Too bad you cant do them all at once in a drake. Oh yes you can. Only requirement - there is a fitting skill treshold you have to reach for it to work (unlike with Hurricane). Drake is incredible PvP ship.
Furb Killer Gallente The first genesis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:20:00 - [29] Edited by: Furb Killer on 30/09/2008 11:21:33 Tackle as in web mwd disruptor? (mwd is part of required tackling gear imo). No core defence field extenders and still have huge tank + good dps?
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.09.30 11:23:00 - [30] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 30/09/2008 11:23:29 Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 30/09/2008 11:21:33 Tackle as in web mwd disruptor? (mwd is part of required tackling gear imo). No core defence field extenders and still have huge tank + good dps? Tackle as in web, mwd disruptor. LSE + 2x invuln + a DC (for the high skilled) or PDU (for the more fitting incapacitated) in lows, shield resist rigs, and you outbuffer every single armour tanked BC by a very handy margin. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail mods@ccpgames.com ~Saint



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