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Yendaj Minmatar Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.10.01 22:48:00 - [31] Originally by: Kilette Dark Edited by: Kilette Dark on 01/10/2008 14:44:22 Hello Everyone. Well, what can I say. We are a Faction war corp, (You may or may not know any of us, but we do our bit), and then when we have run out of money fighting FW, we leave and we war dec someone, and try to ransom. After checking the battle reports, Hexstoof has on record 13 kills and 0 loses.... This begs the question........How exactly did you run out of money fighting the war when you did not have to replace anything? This as your justification for leaving and war dec'ing another corp now seems to be a bit defunct......... Unless ofcourse you do not report your loses?? Either way, both sides are pathetic in my opinion and should leave Minmatar Republic and the Minmatar Militia out of this, as neither corp seems to care that much about the Republic or the cause we are fighting for and alot more about their own particular agendas. ** Nemo Me Impune Lacessit **
Sophie Starsparrow	Posted - 2008.10.02 02:48:00 - [32] Atedar, as I have said, I have sent you mail. Still no response. Yendaj, I am really not sure what your particular damage is, but I see how low your estimation is of Matari Builders, miners, and traders. Let me state clearly, we have no personal motivation in this war, we have no agenda. We have absolutely nothing to gain. An obstacle has appeared on our path and we will deal with it the way our people always have. Perhaps you, like Hexstoof, just want to fight and care not what or who it is, or what the greater consequences are? You have said and done nothing that gains my respect, so I care not what you think.
Atedar Kerane	Posted - 2008.10.02 06:41:00 - [33] Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow Atedar, as I have said, I have sent you mail. Still no response I am sorry, but I got other things to do than playing EVE Sophie, don't bother with Yendaj, the heretics are shameless selfpromoters. I was in a fleet with Heretics during FW, and it took about 5 seconds untill they began talking about how great they are and how much they have done for minmatar republic, obviously they haven't noticed the hundreds of other players participating. I would have alot more respect for them if they didn't go around saying "do you even KNOW who we are???". This might just be the danish "Jante Law" talking though... but you properly have no idea what that is, so Im gonna stop writing now.
Yendaj Minmatar Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.10.02 06:43:00 - [34] Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow Atedar, as I have said, I have sent you mail. Still no response. Yendaj, I am really not sure what your particular damage is, but I see how low your estimation is of Matari Builders, miners, and traders. Let me state clearly, we have no personal motivation in this war, we have no agenda. We have absolutely nothing to gain. An obstacle has appeared on our path and we will deal with it the way our people always have. Perhaps you, like Hexstoof, just want to fight and care not what or who it is, or what the greater consequences are? You have said and done nothing that gains my respect, so I care not what you think. If you had bothered to participate in Faction warfare, you might not be so quick to relate how we have done nothing that should gain respect... Heretic Militia is the leading corp in faction war for the minmatars and we are second to the tribal liberation force only. If you are incapable of respecting that, then my conclusion about your agenda being for personal gain and nothing to do with the Minmatar people stands. The only reason I have bothered to care about this communication at all is because WE are the ones putting ourselves on the line daily and have been since the beginning. WE are willing to go out there and fight daily for the cause we believe in. Hexstoof on the other hand does not have my support in this at all. The fact is, I find their reasoning for war dec'ing you appalling and they certainly wont have the red carpet thrown out for them if they decided to return to the front lines. Were you to do a little more research into the battle reports for the Minmatar Militia, you would find Heretic Militia and Mirrorgod, Myself and the rest of My pilots at the top of just about every list (other than the few weeks we took a break) I dont need to prove myself to you. We have done so over and over again and the people who respect us, do so because they know the effort and the time we put into faction war and the damage we deal out to the amarr daily. If you didnt care what I thought, you wouldnt be replying to my communications.... Just a thought. ** Nemo Me Impune Lacessit **
Yendaj Minmatar Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.10.02 07:20:00 - [35] Originally by: Atedar Kerane Edited by: Atedar Kerane on 02/10/2008 07:16:15 Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow Atedar, as I have said, I have sent you mail. Still no response I love the heretics, but I would have alot more respect for them if they didn't go around saying "do you even KNOW who we are???". This might just be the danish "Jante Law" talking though... but you properly have no idea what that is, so Im gonna stop writing now. Hahah, well we actually respect you also. Atedar flew with us, as did a few other pilots of his and they are exceptionally good pilots.. This being said.. I am not taking sides here. I do not support either in this. My opinion is that this entire communcation shouldnt even be on Galnet and it really doesnt concern Minmatar Militia, the Republic or faction war. I see it as a shameless piece of propaganda from a corp that is clearly in over their head and needed to rally up some sort of sneaky support, by biting at the ankles of the people who would bite back. ** Nemo Me Impune Lacessit **
Sophie Starsparrow	Posted - 2008.10.02 09:21:00 - [36] Yendaj, you seem to be operating under some misunderstandings. 1) The only reason the militia was ever mentioned was that Hex was still in the militia when they demanded ransom and war dec'ed us. As I have said earlier, this has been rectified. 2) We have repeatedly said we are not seeking support and we will handle this ourselves. 3) When I said 'you have said and done nothing to gain my respect' I was referring to you in this post. Not Heretic. I do not know what was you, and what was your fleet, so forgive me for not attributing all glory to you. 4) We are the ones biting back. We are mostly miners and traders, and manufacturers, but we are Minmatar, and we do not bow to oppressors, whatever form they take.
Yendaj Minmatar Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.10.03 00:34:00 - [37] Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow Yendaj, you seem to be operating under some misunderstandings. 3) When I said 'you have said and done nothing to gain my respect' I was referring to you in this post. That is most likely because 1. I have not agreed with you 2. I found it pathetic and appalling that the entire thing was posted in the first place 3. I do not buy into the propaganda and the hype. Such as it is, this happens alot when people have their own minds and opinions and dont tend to follow the lemmings over the cliff. ** Nemo Me Impune Lacessit **
Vlad Cetes Caldari Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.10.03 03:10:00 - [38] Yendaj Individual Starsparrow is annoying both you and myself. Termination of Individual Starsparrow is recommended. I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature.
Sophie Starsparrow	Posted - 2008.10.03 08:56:00 - [39] Good Caldari. I'm glad I annoy you :) Yendaj, 1. I respect those that disagree with me much more than those that blindly follow, when they prove themselves worthy of respect, not only in action, but in word as well. There are even one or two Amarr who have earned my grudging respect. 2. Had their actions been reported earlier perhaps this particular rat would have been exterminated long ago. The original intention of this post was served, when Mr Temeculus Thrace was informed of their actions. 3. Had they asked us for the money for the war effort, we would have gladly given it to them. As would have many of the training corps they have preyed on in the past I'm sure. They did not, and as a result, the war is missing their presence, our presence (which was a few months away) has been delayed, and Minmatar people have been driven from their homes. Resources that could have gone against Amarr and Caldari are not. You may be a good tactical commander, but your view of the bigger picture is sorely lacking. While you fight bravely for your tribe, your people, and your Republic, they are being leeched from within. Sad. We may not be trained enough to join the militia yet, but if fate has sent us this rat to exterminate, we are happy to serve the Republic however we can. btw if you still feel the need to whine about my mentioning the Militia, for motivations you invented, read # 2 and # again if you still don't get it.
Yendaj Minmatar Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.10.03 11:01:00 - [40] Well my dear.. While you are talking about your support.. How many free ships have you provided? How many modules have you provided to pilots who lose their ships? What effort are you making exactly? We have a rather large war chest that we replace the value of ships lost to all of those who fly with us, not just in our own corp. We also have a large stash of ships that we provide to those pilots in desperate need. This is because our Alliance manages to back us up by providing such things, working hard behind the scenes in High Security Republic space with little need for publicity or reward. So, to gain my respect, please do tell me what you yourself are doing to deliver much needed supplies to the front lines and the pilots fighting hard to keep the Republic safe in Minmatar hands... ?? ** Nemo Me Impune Lacessit **

Sophie Starsparrow	Posted - 2008.10.03 17:25:00 - [41] Yendaj, I'm not sure what happened, but I somehow feel we have finally reached a place where we can have a logical discussion. That is the first step to you earning my respect (not that you care, and rightly so). As to me earning your respect, I would say I don't care, but that is not entirely true. What have we done to supply the troops on the front lines? Train new ones. Let me again mention that we are a new corp, mostly indy with a lot of noobs. They need training and time to be effective against the Amarr. FW was a goal for us that we would gladly have delayed if we could help with supplies or with anything else, but this is a senseless delay. Again, the purpose of this post was served long ago, but you raised my anger by slagging my corp mates who have shown so much heart. You slagged us for the total ship loss. I would like to see you as a one month old mining trainee in a Rifter take on a Cerebus and a Cyclone. Over a third of our losses have been pods, shuttles and rifters. Almost all of our losses have been one or two month old trainees who are being hunted by battle-hardened ex-militia, because they refuse to pay ransom. And for this you slight them? My fleet would not be proud of such an uneven victory. I don't think Heretic would take much pride in such victories either. We have already offered our support to the 17th, and would be happy to help Heretic as well, if we were in a position to. We are not currently, and it will be awhile now before we are able to. This is what angers us the most.
Kilette Dark	Posted - 2008.10.03 20:47:00 - [42] Edited by: Kilette Dark on 03/10/2008 20:47:25 Quote: We at Starfish Operating Syndicate formally announce our intention to break away from Minmatar Posted - 2008.08.03 12:09:00 by Sophie Starsparrow http://eve-search.com/thread/838505/page/1#26 Quote: we are delaying our departure for a simple reason : HeXstoof, a corporation that is in Faction Warfare for the Republic, is declaring war on other Minmatar corporations in high sec So Our corps actions are not driving min pilots away. Rather forcing them to stay. SO, Call us pirates, call us mercs, BUT do not call us trators for war decing a corp who has ALREADY said it is leaving the republic
Sophie Starsparrow	Posted - 2008.10.04 01:45:00 - [43] And Yendaj, we do not overestimate the value of what are contribution could be. We are saddened at thought of all the reinforcements, and all the supplies that have been diverted, not from us, but from all the loyal corporations they have done this to in the past. All the ones who have not stayed. We did stay. This may be a small contribution, but we do all we are able to do.
Daevonar Minmatar Starfish Operating Syndicate	Posted - 2008.10.04 18:57:00 - [44] I respect utterly all our pilots putting their ships and equipment on the line daily to free all our people who still do not know the freedom of the Republic. Yet it saddens me to see those loyal Minmatar who do not fight being belittled and de-valued. I hold in respect all Minmatar who work to benefit the Republic, members of the Parliament, the Fleet, our Miners, our Traders, the Security forces; everyone. We must not lose sight of the fact that our nation is in it's infancy, we need those who remain to keep our Republic alive, otherwise the Minmatar that are free'd by the TLF's actions will have nowhere to go, and those who are free will have no future, our race will sink in to decay. It has always been the case that a tribe cannot function by being warriors alone, it has always been that the warrors serve the tribe, not the tibe serve the warriors. Those who have chosen to serve the Republic by fighting will always be seen as more important, more glorious, than anyone else in times of war, but of all people they can afford the least to let that swell their pride and cloud their judgement. I hope to join these warriors when we can make a meaningful contribution, be more of a hlep than hindrance; but and when all our brothers are free, when our enemies are scattered, when we can look out and say we are truly great, I hope that the builders and traders, the miners and politicians who will then be in the ascendancy do not treat our brave warriors with the same contempt that some of those warriors have given them. D.
Daevonar Minmatar Starfish Operating Syndicate	Posted - 2008.10.05 14:37:00 - [45] Kilette dear, what else, but traitors, can we call people who claim to defend the Republic then attack its members with no provocation and for no reason other than personal gain? D.
Fourty Niner	Posted - 2008.10.05 16:23:00 - [46] Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We at Starfish Operating Syndicate formally announce our intention to break away from Minmatar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted - 2008.08.03 12:09:00 by Sophie Starsparrow http://eve-search.com/thread/838505/page/1#26
Sophie Starsparrow	Posted - 2008.10.05 22:34:00 - [47] Nice editing Fourty-niner :) Since there still seems to be some confusion on this: we intended to be in the militia before settling new areas of space for the Minmatar people. We were breaking from the parliamentary republic, that the Republic itself has broken away from since. We were breaking away in terms of governance structure, which it appears the Republic is following us on as well. We were breaking away in terms of the Republics borders, which we seek to be able to expand. So, I'm not really sure I understand your point.
Atedar Kerane	Posted - 2008.10.07 20:18:00 - [48] Originally by: Sophie Starsparrow I also personally appreciate your attention in this matter. As for Hexstoof, leave them to us :) Then why are you getting help from Relentless Storm Cartel Yet another proof that you are dishonest on the forum Sorry, I just have to comment on it, cause I think it's quite funny :D
mnnkj	Posted - 2008.10.09 14:53:00 - [49] Too late (hooray eve-search). Now at least Starfish knows they have a spy!

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