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Veron Daerth
Amarr
Blood Meridian
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Posted - 2008.09.30 03:29:00 -
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<Veron Daerth smiles facetiously>
My gracious me, Miss Subaka. To insinuate that a Holder of my stature would actually read Apocryphal texts? Why... thats about as unheard of as a Royal Heir sleeping with a Matari slave-girl and soiling his blood with her flesh. Or perhaps as unheard of as another Royal Heir that abuses the trust God placed in his hands, the trust and loyalty of his people. And that neeeever happens does it?
<Veron Daerth laughs>
My apologies, my sense of humor usually is rather inappropriate. Frankly, the Empire is a very private place. Most of what happens in a persons "private life" is exactly that, private. And most of us go to great lengths to keep it that way. Prying into others lives is dangerous in the Empire, and those who make accusations that cannot be proven (or who cannot get enough evidence to prove it) usually end up being punished instead. This makes others rather... careful... of making specious accusations.
So, I read what I want to read, and so long as I am discreet, no-one cares, and possibly the ones that do care, well, they cant prove it. My House is not great by any means, but it does have some small influence, and so long as I am careful and am not blatant about it, the authorities are content to look the other way. For now. Who knows as to the future, but then again, that goes for everyone and everything.
On a personal note, I am most interested in holy books of all kinds, religion being a hobby of mine. Well, religion, ethics, culture, morality, and related subjects. I find myself to be quite fascinated by it all. You would be surprised as to what my library contains. So would the Paladins of the Ministry of Internal Order, though I admit for different reasons.
But thats a different subject. Miss Subaka, I am not a pirate or outlaw or rebel of any kind, but I never professed to be a mindless fanatic or one to devoutly spout scripture or morality without understanding what I believe. To understand oneself and God, one must have all the information and knowledge one can attain. The ancient texts provide some of that information.
Besides, I have always been a bit contrary. When told I cant do something or go somewhere, I always wondered "why not?" and did my level best to discover why. This has resulted in loss and trouble quite often, but I think myself the wiser for those discoveries. Being told I cant read a book makes me wonder whats in the book that "they" dont want me to see or find out. Good thing "they" cant see this, something for which I am greatly pleased. I'd be branded a heretic for even speaking to you like this, much less the content of the conversation.
Remember Pilots, what you see is not always what you get. May God grant you Wisdom.
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Inara Subaka
Caldari
the united
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Posted - 2008.09.30 03:48:00 -
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 Originally by: A Soporific
Pilot Subaka, are your assets located within the State?
I have stated this many times, my estate is well within Federation territory. The Sing Laison region, within the system of Rancer, both planetary and orbiting. I haven't been in the State in quite some time, CONCORD's decision to flag me as KOS makes travel less pleasant than ever before.
*a coy, almost daring grin crosses her face*
Why do you ask? Do you have issues with my business practices? If so, I welcome you to come and negotiate with myself or one of my associates at one of the entrances to my home system.
*Barely containing her laughter at the thought of the greeting her associates will provide Pilot A Sporific she focus' on Lord Daerth's words*
I always knew you had a rebel streak in you, maybe there's hope for you yet. But don't they have "Paladins" that are Pilots? Surely the Empire has some way to view these conversations; Hell, some of my slave engineers have devised a way to view (though not respond) these communiques. Apparently there was a pool going the other day whether I was going to actively go "hunting" for someone who mentioned me in a less than polite manner.
As for being contrary, why do you think a business woman like myself lives in the backwater of Federation space? Business is quite good here, far superior to living under State regulations, and close enough to the Metropolis region to pick up more slaves should the need arise. |
Veron Daerth
Amarr
Blood Meridian
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Posted - 2008.09.30 04:00:00 -
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<Veron Daerth laughs>
Miss Subaka, like any legal system that evolved over many thousands of years it has its little twists and turns. My word alone in here is not sufficient to charge me with anything, even if it could be seen by someone with any authority in the Empire. And if they did..well, I'll take my chances. It wouldnt be the first time I had to shoot my way out of a docking port, and megapulse lasers are ever so nice for that. Remind me to tell you about that sometime.
Regardless, I am quite sure that few people in the galaxy at large even know of this forum ((I was under the impression that it was generally accepted that only the "real" podders knew of the IGS, that way we can say what we really think and it explains why I can still enter the Empire and not get blasted by the Navy. It also explains why I can say "Sarum is wrong, and an idiot" if I wanted to and still talk to any of the agents in the empire and not get arrested. If I was wrong, someone lemme know)) as they lack the general ability to see it or to even know of its existence. Hopefully.
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A Soporific
Caldari
Venom Pointe Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.30 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Inara Subaka
Originally by: A Soporific
Pilot Subaka, are your assets located within the State?
I have stated this many times, my estate is well within Federation territory. The Sing Laison region, within the system of Rancer, both planetary and orbiting. I haven't been in the State in quite some time, CONCORD's decision to flag me as KOS makes travel less pleasant than ever before.
*a coy, almost daring grin crosses her face*
Why do you ask? Do you have issues with my business practices? If so, I welcome you to come and negotiate with myself or one of my associates at one of the entrances to my home system.
*Barely containing her laughter at the thought of the greeting her associates will provide Pilot A Sporific she focus' on Lord Daerth's words*
I always knew you had a rebel streak in you, maybe there's hope for you yet. But don't they have "Paladins" that are Pilots? Surely the Empire has some way to view these conversations; Hell, some of my slave engineers have devised a way to view (though not respond) these communiques. Apparently there was a pool going the other day whether I was going to actively go "hunting" for someone who mentioned me in a less than polite manner.
As for being contrary, why do you think a business woman like myself lives in the backwater of Federation space? Business is quite good here, far superior to living under State regulations, and close enough to the Metropolis region to pick up more slaves should the need arise.
I'm merely attempting to establish jurisdiction. While I freelance extensively as a "conflict resolution specialist" for the Caldari Business Tribunal out of the Sinq Lasion Branch in Pozirblant, I don't see why I would recieve a request to deal with your activities unless your activities spark complaint with other Caldari ventures in the region. Besides, my gifts trend towards arbitration rather than blunt retribution.
Your choice to violate Federation law is no business of mine, I still would recommend avoiding undue conflict with citizens of the state. Less than civil attention is rarely good for the bottom line. If this can be managed then there may be a mutually profitable relationship to be had here.
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Garion Avarr
Amarr
Zero Zero Traders
YTMND.
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Posted - 2008.09.30 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Veron Daerth
((I was under the impression that it was generally accepted that only the "real" podders knew of the IGS, that way we can say what we really think and it explains why I can still enter the Empire and not get blasted by the Navy. It also explains why I can say "Sarum is wrong, and an idiot" if I wanted to and still talk to any of the agents in the empire and not get arrested. If I was wrong, someone lemme know))
((Non-pod pilot NPCs and NPCs representing government groups have posted here. I think it's safe to say that while your average joe can't access this and likely doesn't know about this, people with connections can, and the governments are certainly monitoring what we say.))
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Veron Daerth
Amarr
Blood Meridian
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Posted - 2008.09.30 05:58:00 -
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((Thanks Garion, I knew that, but didnt really think of the ramifications of that. Hmm...have to hope that the spies and agents for the various law enforcement agencies missed all my posts then. Either that, or the appointment with my new agent in Diaderi is a set up... most distressing.))
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Beletre
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.30 13:21:00 -
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As with many things, there are levels within levels. It's generally accepted that the rules, aka laws, applying to pod pilots is rather diffrent then those applied to regular citizens. Yes, technically, many of the things said here are considered heritical, and should, in theory, result in disiplinary action. This applies not just to citizens of the Amarr, but various members of the other Empires. I'm quite certain many of my own statements are troubeling to those in power in the Federation. However, to be blunt, we're far too important to arrest, fine, or punish. Directly, at any rate. Indirectly, who knows what's possible in the assorted twists and turns of politics? The next time a representive offers you work, may want to look closely at just what is offered, just what isn't, and the possible reasons for it.
All that said, let me see if a bit of consensus can be found. Our discussions here seem to indicate that the majority agree that Industral Slavery, as it's understood here, is neither economically ideal, nor in line with scripture. However, it is easy and convient, and can offer those in power short term profits as well as a person ego boost, having someone to crush underfoot and all that.
So if Industral Slavery is far less then ideal, and can in some instances lead to atrocities of abuse, how can it be lessened, curtailed, or perhaps even abolished, in a manner acceptable to all involved?
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2008.09.30 16:49:00 -
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They don't do slavery for the direct profit.
They do slavery to re-inforce the "natural order" and keep their own underclass in line.
For every Amarrian landowner, there's millions of commoners who really have a disgusting standard of living, and the only way to justify that is for slaves to be even worse off.
Their religion is just a tool to keep the poor from strangling the rich.
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Veron Daerth
Amarr
Blood Meridian
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Posted - 2008.09.30 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
They don't do slavery for the direct profit.
They do slavery to re-inforce the "natural order" and keep their own underclass in line.
For every Amarrian landowner, there's millions of commoners who really have a disgusting standard of living, and the only way to justify that is for slaves to be even worse off.
Their religion is just a tool to keep the poor from strangling the rich.
<Veron Daerth sneers>
Spare me the liberal tripe, Pilot. Slavery was supposed to be for the ultimate benefit of the one enslaved. The idea goes something like this.
Heathens are too uncivilized and ignorant to know they are heathens. We take them and make them aware of their lack of guidance and introduce them to the idea of God and His Work, namely the universe and the way He wishes us to behave.
Along the way, they arent going to take too well to this, not at first at any rate, so they have to be forced into submission so as to better accept the facts of life. They live and die, their children do so as well. They have the scripture and culture of Amarr hammered into them every day for the rest of their lives. Their children as well. Generations pass. After many generations pass, they arent slaves anymore, they have been accepted into the social order of the Empire and its Faith. And you now have lots more Imperial citizens, all believing the same things (mostly) as the rest.
You have less unrest, less disorder, less chaos. Yes, citizens of the Empire trade a lot of the freedoms you take for granted for other things, namely, safety, stability and yes, order. Its gotten the Empire into space long before the rest of you, its gotten the Empire up out of the mud of the Dark Times long before the rest of you. Its served us well, up until recently.
You would be surprised to know that most Amarrian citizens own their own shops, homes, lands and such. They dont have a "disgusting" standard of life. Most slaves arent worse off, the majority of slave owners arent even Holders with vast eststes, its the middle class citizens that use the slaves to clean their shops, do the scut work in the factories, do the manual labor on the farms, mend the fences, shovel the ditches, etc. You know, the annoying stuff that the Gallente use the Matari immigrants for.
And if things were as bad as you say, as terrible, no religion would prevent the masses of the Empire from overthrowing the powerful. With all the competing factions in the Empire, one of the Heirs could conceivably use the mass unrest and discontent to throw down his rivals and take control in that manner. Think the Heirs wouldnt disobey the Faith? Look at Khanid. Hell and Fire, fool, look at Sarum. Outright rebellion in the former and either a miracle of God or some form of chicanery in the latter.
And as for disgusting standards of living, I suggest you go look around some of the Matari refugee camps, or the shelters in the Gallente cities, or even the alleyways of the Federation. You will find there the castoffs, the disabled, the homeless, those too poor to even afford government subsidized housing. Fool, I answer to the lowest commoner or slave in my care should I fail them, before God if no-one else.
Who answers to the poor and homeless in the Federation? No-one, thats who. They are a pathetic demographic that special interests use for leverage, and thats it. Even the Matari are better than that.
So go solve your own problems, find your own answers. When everyone in your nation of choice is fed and happy and sheltered and safe, come let me know. Then you might get to tell me how to care for my own people and slaves.
I am sick and tired of the idiots that speak without the slightest knowledge of what its really like in the Empire, who spout the sound bites of the Scope reports and special news broadcasts. How about you actually do some real research into it?
May God guide you all, Pilots, some of you really need it.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.01 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Veron Daerth
Actually, Pilot Poreuomai, I dont have to prevent them from going anywhere.
Then ... why are they still slaves?
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.01 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai
Originally by: Veron Daerth
Actually, Pilot Poreuomai, I dont have to prevent them from going anywhere.
Then ... why are they still slaves?
Maybe it's because they consider slavery to be better than the alternatives.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.01 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 01/10/2008 13:48:33
Which alternatives? They don't seem to have any access to alternatives!
Why not allow them to become employees and work for a living and even choose their employer?
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Veron Daerth
Amarr
Blood Meridian
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Posted - 2008.10.01 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai
Edited by: Poreuomai on 01/10/2008 13:48:33
Which alternatives? They don't seem to have any access to alternatives!
Why not allow them to become employees and work for a living and even choose their employer?
Thats a two-parter, Pilot. The answer to the first could be best illustrated with an example.
I free my slaves. They have no money, no homes, nothing that I havent given them up until now. Yes, they might actually have some small assets, clothing, furniture, etc, but nothing to live off of. So, they have nowhere to go, and no other jobs. They have no home, no food, nothing of real value. They wander aimlessly until picked up by another slaver as indigents and sold, most probably to someone not nearly as nice as myself. Hooray.
They cant pay to get off-planet, they have nowhere to go off-planet, and nothing to eat while they get there. Simply living is expensive, Pilot. Perhaps you forget that. I read somewhere that the average citizen of the Federation makes about 10,000 isk a year, or equivalent. I make .. what... a thousand times that on a single job? Ten thousand times? Regardless, my own upkeep eats that quite nicely, since ships and weapons arent cheap or invulnerable. Where would they get the money to move? Me? I make enough off their labor to pay for all their expenses and then have a bit left over to put back into the operations and businesses they labor in. I dont have a magic hat to pull money out of.
The second part. Firstly, I pay them a very small stipend already, this allows them to go out and "stimulate the economy" a bit, even if its only locally. Its also where they get the clothing and furniture and such for their quarters. Its not enough for them to live off of, and its not a wage. Its an incentive, one of several I use to motivate them towards good and quality labor. If you squint, its already "employment"... kind of.
That aside, if I paid them full wages, and charged them for everything they used, from the clothing they bought, to the homes they lived in, to the food they ate, all of which is mine, grown on my lands, and purchased from markets that are in towns that I also own and rule, the wage would be... outrageous. Or.. they would be homeless.. again.
As for choosing their employer? What employer? I am about as liberal as you can get and still be an Imperial citizen. If you think my neighbors would even talk to you about this, your dreaming. Just because I am foolish enough to debate this with you, doesnt mean they are. No-one else would employ them, they'd re-enslave them, probably thinking they were escaped.
May God grant you Wisdom, Pilots.
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Beletre
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.01 21:43:00 -
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While I continue to mostly agree with you on the way things are, if not the way they should be Pilot Daerth, I feel it important to mention a news article published not too long back about the need in the Federation for a greater level of automation. Because the Minmatar imigrants are making enough money that they no longer want the low level jobs.
Yes, immigrant workers tend to find crap jobs that are rather similar to slavery. And yes, many remain in those jobs for their entire lives, and their children the same. However, a fair number find upward social mobility, and take advantage of it, becomeing whatever it is they care to be. While the possibility of upward social mobility is possible in Amarrian society, I can't say the likelyhood is anywhere near as high.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.02 09:07:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 02/10/2008 09:12:20
Originally by: Veron Daerth
I free my slaves. They have no money, no homes, nothing that I havent given them up until now. Yes, they might actually have some small assets, clothing, furniture, etc, but nothing to live off of. So, they have nowhere to go, and no other jobs. They have no home, no food, nothing of real value.
After all the years of working for you, they still have nothing of real value for themselves? Can you not see the injustice in that?
Originally by: Veron Daerth
They wander aimlessly until picked up by another slaver as indigents and sold, most probably to someone not nearly as nice as myself. Hooray.
There are plenty of Minmatar groups which would look after them if you handed them over.
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I make enough off their labor to pay for all their expenses and then have a bit left over to put back into the operations and businesses they labor in. I dont have a magic hat to pull money out of.
You just said yourself that ... Quote:
"I read somewhere that the average citizen of the Federation makes about 10,000 isk a year, or equivalent. I make .. what... a thousand times that on a single job? Ten thousand times?"
You have more than enough money.
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I pay them a very small stipend already, this allows them to go out and "stimulate the economy" a bit, even if its only locally.
Perhaps you should pay them a bit more, that would solve the problem you noted above.
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That aside, if I paid them full wages, and charged them for everything they used, from the clothing they bought, to the homes they lived in, to the food they ate, all of which is mine, grown on my lands, and purchased from markets that are in towns that I also own and rule, the wage would be... outrageous.
Yet you said you make 10,000 time that in a single job. I suggest you pay those who work for you the wage they deserve.
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As for choosing their employer? What employer? I am about as liberal as you can get and still be an Imperial citizen. If you think my neighbors would even talk to you about this, your dreaming.
Like I said, they need not stay on that planet. There are others who would gladly pay them a fair wage for their hard work, something you seem unwilling to do.
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Garion Avarr
Amarr
Zero Zero Traders
YTMND.
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Posted - 2008.10.02 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai
Originally by: Veron Daerth
They wander aimlessly until picked up by another slaver as indigents and sold, most probably to someone not nearly as nice as myself. Hooray.
There are plenty of Minmatar groups which would look after them if you handed them over.
Originally by: Veron Daerth
As for choosing their employer? What employer? I am about as liberal as you can get and still be an Imperial citizen. If you think my neighbors would even talk to you about this, your dreaming.
Like I said, they need not stay on that planet. There are others who would gladly pay them a fair wage for their hard work, something you seem unwilling to do.
I believe Lord Daerth has mentioned the problems with this before. But briefly: while I am sure that the aims of nearly all of these organizations are quite noble, there are undoubtedly some preditors among them, and refugees make easy prey. Second, the economic situation in the Republic is not particularly great, and so many of the groups may not have the proper resources to care for large groups of freed slaves properly -- especially with all the ones so recently abducted by the Minmatar in your war of aggression against us. Third, after having lived among the Amarr for so long, the culture of these slaves are vastly different from any Minmatar that would take care of them, and they would likely not be happy in their new lives because of this. Last, I seem to recall that many of his slaves are not Minmatar or of mixed race. Are these Minmatar groups proposing to come for our people as well, and not just theirs?
Originally by: Poreuomai
Originally by: Veron Daerth
I free my slaves. They have no money, no homes, nothing that I havent given them up until now. Yes, they might actually have some small assets, clothing, furniture, etc, but nothing to live off of. So, they have nowhere to go, and no other jobs. They have no home, no food, nothing of real value.
After all the years of working for you, they still have nothing of real value for themselves? Can you not see the injustice in that?
If there really are other groups that are capable of and willing to provide for and help these slaves, and Lord Daerth does not have to prevent them from leaving, perhaps it is they who do not see an injustice in this. Perhaps they are happy with their current situation. Perhaps, even, they do nt want your freedom.
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Veron Daerth
Amarr
Blood Meridian
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Posted - 2008.10.02 20:58:00 -
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My apologies, Pilots, I was unable to escape several budget meetings and a few hearings today, and didnt have an opportunity to respond to you until now.
<VEron Daerth sighs>
Pilot Poreuomai, the situation is vastly more complex than you imagine. What you dont seem to understand is that the responses to your questions have been made as a "stand alone" response. What that means is that I have attempted to respond to each question or point individually and to outline a response to that singular question or response.
What this has done is rob you of the "big picture" point of view. Frankly, all the problems caused by slavery and also the problems that would be caused by the mass freeing of all the slaves are interwoven, much like a great tapestry. There are flaws in theis "tapestry" but it is a complete work, and should you attempt to "pull" a single thread, you risk unraveling the entire thing, with chaos and destruction being the only thing you really accomplish.
Example. Problem: Some, I'll go so far as to say quite a few, slaves are mistreated. Solution: Pass laws to prevent that. Problem: Who decides whats "abuse" and not. Solution: Impartial judiciary. Problem: If the judges own or represent a society that owns slaves, they are biased. Solution: Get extra-social judges. Problem: Judges from outside the society have to inherent investment in that society and cannot understand its complexities and reasoning, resulting in the rejection of their judgement by those who do (the slave owners) and the rest of the society.
Get the idea? And thats only a small fragment of the entire problem. Add in politics, liberalization from galactic social contact, fragmentation of the legislative body (or factions that have influence on the legislative body), religion and its inherent issues (cults, zealots, fanatics, differing views/interpretations of Holy Writ, etc.), conflicting struggles for secular power and authority and wealth, external pressure from hostile organizations (Matari freedom fighters and terrorists) and polities (the govt. of the former Republic and the Federation), and last but not least, the slaves themselves.
All these factors and more combine to make the entire issue of slavery, industrial or not, in the Empire almost "unsolvable" in the assumption it needs solving at all.
Lets assume I free my slaves, all of them. Thats about 1.3 million people spread out across dozens of facilities, planets, colonies, stations, ships, etc. A pittance really. What organization has the resources to take them all in? Feed, house, clothe, care for them, medically, psychologically, etc? So lets say they all dont want to leave? That only about 1/5th actually decide to go somewhere else. Who takes their places? Who does the work they do now? I cant get that many workers from other Empires, they wouldnt come here, to a foreign nation, with alien customs, speaking alien languages, where they know no-one, nothing at all? Would you volunteer for that, and all at a "wage" that I can afford?
Veron Daerth laughs>
You may think others are that foolish, but I know better. They arent.
<Transmission interrupted>
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Veron Daerth
Amarr
Blood Meridian
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Posted - 2008.10.02 21:25:00 -
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<Transmission resumes>
Apologies, power surge shorted the transmitter>
As I was saying, economically, I cant afford to pay people a salary that would support them. As it is, I dont pay my slaves, but They also dont pay for housing, clothing, food, etc.
I also determine things slaves will need in the future. If I know that my slave population will increase by -x-% in the next year, I simply assign some more housing to be constructed... by my own slaves. Its not bad housing, its actually quite good. I only pay for materials. One of my retainers draws up designs for the housing units or barracks (depending on the ultimate purpose of the slaves, family units are assigned to breeding couples, soldiers get barracks, etc.) and the slaves build it according to the specs. They tend to do a good job, too, since others like them will be living there shortly, and I keep my slaves in static groupings (villages, really), so its really their neighbors accommodations they are building, and that lends the personal touch to it.
Same thing for food ,clothing medical care, spiritual needs, etc. You plan ahead and make sure supply is in place for the inevitable growth of your stock. You care for them and see to their needs. They serve you and honor you with their loyalty.
I can afford all this because I dont have to pay for the labor to harvest the food, build the building, make the clothes, etc. All I pay for is material, and thats also usually obtained locally, which makes it mine or its something owned by a retainer or liege, which I can tax.
Veron Daerth laughs>
Im not really a slave master, I am the government. All Holders are, to an extent. We have our own laws we have to abide by, but within our domains, our word is Law, so long as it is in accordance with Imperial Law. If I simply let all my slaves go, if all slaves were let go, the economy would collapse. I know you dont particularly care, but as the person whose economy is doing the collapsing, I care. And you can bet my neighbors do too.
As it is, my slaves are cared for, and very well, at that. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the process by which my slaves and Holdings are governed. I know its a long read, but you might find it rather enlightening.
What government can say they do a better job than I? What people can claim full, guaranteed work, housing, food, clothing, shelter, medical care, and frankly, the comfort of knowing you have served something far greater then yourself? And I am not speaking of myself.
All my slaves serve the Empire and through it, God. The products they produce, from ammunition to clothing to foodstuffs, all benefit the Empire. They create the foundations of our civilization and they are rewarded accordingly. They know they will not be cast off to die when they are old, they know they will not be unheard or forgotten by their ruler/s when they become politically inconvenient, they know that they will always have their families and homes, always, they know they will be judged fairly, and in accordance with Imperial and local law. And in return for this, all they have to do, is serve me.
They are not the ones to pity, Pilot, they are the ones to envy. By serving me, and through me, the Empire, my slaves know they will be cared for, always. They dont need to go home, they are already there, they dont need to go find their families, they already have them. They have no need to seek meaning in their lives, they already have it, and lastly, they need never fear discord or dissolution, at least not from me, their Lord and Master.
They serve me, and I serve them, in a way. I am their Lord, they are my people. You ask me to cast them out, to cut them loose? To abandon them to the uncaring vagaries of fate? I ask you to do the same to your own children, your own family, your own people.
May God grant you Wisdom Pilots.
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Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2008.10.02 21:41:00 -
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*Flipping through the IGS threads, Faraelle also sighs.*
Veron, I think I like you but I wish I were an economist, one that could run the numbers and find solutions that would neither be disasterious to you nor your slaves. It would not be easy by any means and I don't know if it would guarentee your...shall I say, accustomed standard of living. But in this large universe there must be a way to proove that it would not bring about the ruin you describe.
Alas I can't solve all the universe's problems and I've more than enough closer to home. But with the way things are, many threads or the tapestry you describe are allready being pulled and the ones pulling the threads might not discriminate between the cruel and the kind Holders. And that's above and beyond my beliefs against slavery which really shouldn't need additional explaination insomuch as it mostly matches with those of my peers.
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Veron Daerth
Amarr
Blood Meridian
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Posted - 2008.10.02 21:54:00 -
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<Veron Daerth laughs sadly>
I do understand your frustration, Pilot Brightman, I truly do. But it is as you said, you cannot save the universe. I learned this quite well, some time ago. And I also understand that the tapestry, so to speak, is being pulled in a great many directions. Thank God it is quite strong, and well made.
I do not think... no, I know... that the Empire will never fall to an external military force. Its too big, and there are too many of us. But the Empire can fall, rotting from the inside. It can fall from the greed of the fools that worship money, and can fall from the rigid insanity of the fanatics. It can fall from the apathy of the people. But be conquered? Never.
What I fear is just that, you know, the Empire/tapestry being pulled apart by its own creators. They know just where to pull, and what threads. I fear their blindness, their unthinking idiocy.
The tale of the Golden City keeps me awake at nights sometimes. I read it to Lesharu for the first time the other day, and she grasped the implications immediately. Perhaps, sometime, I will tell you that story, child's tale that it is. Parable, more like, told to me by my Father when I was small.
Alas, I have another appointment soon, and cannot linger. Another day, Pilot Brightman.
May the Strength of God aid you in your times of Darkness and Despair.
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