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Feng Schui Minmatar Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.09.24 04:05:00 - [1] Just a minor warning, this declaration does not reflect the beliefs of my corpmates, or of the Cartel. These are just my own little reflections, hardly worth 2 isk. Ok, now that I have your attention, let me begin with the saying, that the entire lot of ya are hypocrites. You claim beliefs and certain "rules", and then go right around and betray those beliefs. Minmatar, Amarr, Caldari, Gallente... Electus Matari, Ushra'Khan, CVA, PIE, all of you. You know the most strangest thing? The only truly honest corporations seem to be the ones that lay on the fringe of society. Those corporations that are aligned with the Angels, the Serpentis, the Guristas, and I hate to say it, even the Blood Raiders and Sanshas spits on the ground. At least we know where the pirates stand, what they do, and how they do it. Before the examples start to fly, let me give you some background. Yes, I work for the Cartel. Does this mean that I believe in slavery? No, it does not. However, I would gladly purchase, or even, my preferred method, take slaves from an owner, by force; and sell them to a group that offers freedom. Why did I chose to become an outlaw, by CONCORD's standards? Because they are even worse with the hypocrisy than you all. They claim to offer peace, but instead, allow slavery to continue. They allow huge alliances to decimate smaller corporations by allowing the alliance to bribe them. CONCORD are the true pirates. Anyways, before I make this too long of a speech, lets offer some examples, shall we? 1) Lets say, corporation A (you know who you are). They are, of course, an anti-slavery corporation that fights for their own rights of freedom. I'm sitting on a gate, waiting for slave transporters to come through, so I can blow them up, and of course, take what is rightfully mine. Yes, these include slaves. Yes, the person that I am waiting for is a known slaver, who operates for a certain Fleet corporation. So, here I am. A couple of corporation A pilots warp in, warp out.. All is good so far. My victim, umm.. my client jumps into the system. I engage him. Then, a number of pilots from corporation A warp in on us, and what do they do? They start protecting the slaver! They engage me. Alas, I do kill the slaver, and a couple of corporation A's smaller ships, but alas, I do get destroyed. Oh well, my crew has long since been replaced, may the gods bless their souls. Another example, let us say, alliance B. They are, of course, anti-Sansha, but they are also slavers. Whatever. I jump into their "sovereign" space.. which is funny, because it seems to me that there are more Sansha in their space than there are of them.. but thats a different topic. Anyways, I mention to their scout, that happens to always be in the first system of their space, that I am just passing through, headed to Curse, so that I can attempt to halt some attacks on the Cartel. Of course, the scout doesn't respond, as a good little lap dog he is. So, I make a few jumps, and what do we have here? Of course, a nice little group of pilots, all intent upon destroying my ship and my pod. Preventing me from heading into their enemy's space. And of course, I am destroyed. So what? You are actually protecting your enemy's as well? But yet, both of your sides spam this filth and hatred towards each other. I have an idea, why not just come out and say it, that you are all in bed with each other, protecting each other's asses when it suits you. Us pirates, outlaws, fringers? We make no distinction. Either your with us, or your against us. If you're unknown, then your shot on sight. Soo, how about you all stop the hypocrisy, and either come out and say what you are TRUELY loyal to, or honestly, just trash your pod license, because your not worth the backbone of the clone you're using. I'll see ya in space. Feng. Project:Gank Pilgrim Guide
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.09.24 05:16:00 - [2] So, in amongst the ranting and the legalise what I see is that either an Ushra'Khan or Electus Matari* fast patrol group came upon you and a slaver on a gate. I can't speak for Electus Matari but if it was an Ushra'Khan patrol the squad leader would have seen you, an enemy pilot, and a slaver, another enemy pilot, shooting each other. The smart move would be to work out which of them was about to die and kill the other one. That way both hostiles die with as few losses as possible. It sounds like the Squad leader was successful in this regard. The enemy of my enemy is sometimes still my enemy. Perhaps you should accept that your activites as a pirate have earned you many enemies before throwing words like hypocrite around. *(you failed to specify when this happened or by whose hand so I won't jump to conclusions) Join Kinda'Shujaa
Kai Zion The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.09.24 06:08:00 - [3] Refusing to take responsibility for your actions is just another flavor of hypocrisy. Something of a disappointment to see this coming from a pilot of Ghost Festival. Regardless of your little disclaimer, I would have thought membership of such an organization demanded more than...this.
Vendrin Caldari Stimulus	Posted - 2008.09.24 06:37:00 - [4] Everyone needs to vent now and then Ms. Zion, and while I agree with some matter of hypocrisy on the part of the Empires, it's on a completely different matter then rules of engagement.
Kai Zion The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.09.24 06:44:00 - [5] Edited by: Kai Zion on 24/09/2008 06:44:12 Yeah, that's true. I'd be a hypocrite if I tried to pretend I don't have a tendency to rant on GalNet frequencies myself... Maybe Feng just needs some Nerve Sticks.
Myrhial Arkenath Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.09.24 08:11:00 - [6] Kai, Feng stated these are her personal beliefs, so why the remark you would have expected better from us? We are not interested in brainwashing our members and forcing an oppinion on them. Diary of a pod pilot
Kai Zion The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.09.24 09:12:00 - [7] Well, I assume to even make it into a corporation like yours, one would need a more "bring it" approach to the consequences that follow from choices they make, choices they presumably know they're going to have to make when they sign up. But eh, like Vendrin says, everyone needs a good rant now and then, so it's not like my opinion has changed about any of that (not that my opinion carries much weight, let's be honest). It's good that you let your members speak freely. Plenty of others pay lip service to such things but you never see it actually practiced as they all tow the corporate line.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.09.24 09:38:00 - [8] Edited by: Poreuomai on 24/09/2008 09:46:05 Feng Schui, you are a Minmatar who states to be anti-slavery, yet you are confused when CVA (spits on the ground) attack you?
Kimochi Rendar Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.09.24 09:49:00 - [9] Frustration with the system gets the better of all of us, sooner or later. As you said, Kai, due to the nature of our work we need to accept the fact that we will make enemies and we will lose ships. Such risks come with the territory. However, it's easy to become dejected when one notices the blatant double-standards adopted by a huge number of the 'honest' and 'respectable' corps out there. So, was Feng's rant perhaps a bit brash considering the nature of our business? Probably. But do I blame her for becoming frustrated? Not really.
Myrhial Arkenath Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.09.24 10:09:00 - [10] Our lifestyle does indeed ask for a certain mindset, Kai. Our members know that with great risks come great rewards. Rants are a perfect way to get insight into what is going on in our minds and understanding ourselves. I would however like to hear more from Feng about her views before I add any further comments to this discussion. Diary of a pod pilot

Aodha Khan Minmatar The Paratwa FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.09.24 11:05:00 - [11] Edited by: Aodha Khan on 24/09/2008 11:07:54 The response seems fair enough. Two enemies, slaver and angel, both dead. Move on, nothing to see here. However, I know what you mean about many being in bed with one another and in public portraying something else. Pro-Minmatar Republic pilots supplying Blood Raiders with ships for example. Same ships being used to shoot down innocents in Republic space. Paratwa Recruitment
BloodBird Gallente Tactical Freedom Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.24 11:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Feng Schui Long, ranting claim that everyone and their mothers are hypocrites Okay, so let's re-cap: You joined Ghost Festival, a self-confessed Angel loyalist faction, because you felt that CONCORD failed in respects of offering peace, instead allowing slavery to go on, and to be "bribed" into allowing wars to happened? News-flash: In the Empire, slavery is, regrettably, legal. Ergo, it goes on inside said empire, sadly slavers go to great lengths to acquire slaves elsewhere, and the fact this goes on, is what I view as one of CONCORD's failings. Secondly, CONCORD does not take "bribes". human's will always disagree and when the ones not agreeing are all armed individuals like, say, capsuleers, they need a way to contain the violence that WILL ensure. In comes limited sanctioned warfare, that you will have to pay for of course. If it was free there would hardly be need for CONCORD. CONCORD don't offer peace, they are the police, they enforce it as long as it exists, and makes sure that it does not spill to harm those not involved, unless of course, others get involved by choice. So, you sat on a gate waiting for slaver transports to show up, so you could blow them up? Apart from the "slaver" part the part that says "transport" and "blow them up" it sounds just like the actions of pirates to me. A vigilante corp stumbles over a flasher and his prey, do they? And you are honestly surprised when they fire on you? Really now, how the hell should they know the transport was full of slaves? Even if they did, it would still be logical to kill the most imminent threat first, ergo, you. If they scanned the transport and blew him up later makes little difference. You willingly told people that would be your nominal enemies, where you were going, and were surprised when they did kill you? to be honest you just offered them your route, making it easier for them to kill you. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy as well, in this case. Your a Minmatar anti-slaver and a pirate, and you enter what I assume is, Providence, CVA space. Given the fact CVA is a vigilant, pro-slavery Amarr-loyalist faction I see three good reasons why they would kill you. Minmatar. Anti-slaver. Pirate. By announcing your destination you dug your own grave. But of course, the fact they are the enemy of your enemy must mean they are now in bed with them, because they killed you. How idiotic, naive even. Why the hell should they not kill you? You also are their enemy, it makes total sense to kill you. but instead of simply accepting this fact you jump to the conclusion that they are lying, hypocritical, and in bed with your other enemies. But the best part of this is that you aggressively accuse everyone of being hypocrites, claiming that the ones that lie, steal, murder, ransom and extort for no better reason than their own profit are the only honest ones in this universe, simple because they make no claims to not be pirates. Ridiculous, self-righteous trash, if you ask me. I’m not crying any tears for you any time soon, pirate filth. you got what you deserved. If you wanted to fight slavery and Imperial oppression you could have joined, oh I don't know, UNITY? Or the Electus Matari, or heck, the 17th… not to mention all the other factions that oppose slavery. But no… You joined Ghost festival, became an outlaw, and scream bloody murder when you are indeed shot at for your affiliation with the angels, and your flasher status. Welcome to the life of a pirate, hypocrite. Sig source
Feng Schui Minmatar Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.09.24 14:33:00 - [13] Just a rant after another night of disappointment from our war targets? Probably. Yes, I am a pirate. Yes, I am red, to everyone. Yes, I will lose ships. Yes, I will replace those ships. This is life. As for the remarks about CVA. Have any of ya read their policy? No pirating in their space, and you're free to move about, or so they claim(ed). So then, would have I been shot if I didn't make my intentions clear? Probably not, as I have done this countless of times before. I will say this, that it is, probably, not every pilot within the organization that is corrupt, a hypocrite. Perhaps a thorough cleaning needs to be performed upon your ranks. And Mr. Thrace. We have spoke often, before I joined the rank of the Angels. I will ask you this; if those pilots where indeed going to kill us both, why would they admit to protecting the pilot and his ship, and apologize to him that they did not get there in time to save him? Oh, I know.. here's the political spin, let me guess, they where telling him that so he would continue with his travel route, and that they could kill him? You see, that is all I ever see from both of your sides. Lots of smoke, but no fire. Project:Gank Pilgrim Guide
Carcosa Hali Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2008.09.24 14:59:00 - [14] Thanks for the endorsement.. we love you too. blows a kiss -------------- Sometimes you lose it all... Sacrifice: The Sansha War
BloodBird Gallente Tactical Freedom Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.24 15:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Feng Schui Edited by: Feng Schui on 24/09/2008 14:46:00 Just a rant after another night of disappointment from our war targets? Probably. Yes, I am a pirate. Yes, I am red, to everyone. Yes, I will lose ships. Yes, I will replace those ships. This is life. As for the remarks about CVA. Have any of ya read their policy? No pirating in their space, and you're free to move about, or so they claim(ed). So then, would have I been shot if I didn't make my intentions clear? Probably not, as I have done this countless of times before. I will say this, that it is, probably, not every pilot within the organization that is corrupt, a hypocrite. Perhaps a thorough cleaning needs to be performed upon your ranks. And Mr. Thrace. We have spoke often, before I joined the rank of the Angels. I will ask you this; if those pilots where indeed going to kill us both, why would they admit to protecting the pilot and his ship, and apologize to him that they did not get there in time to save him? Oh, I know.. here's the political spin, let me guess, they where telling him that so he would continue with his travel route, and that they could kill him? You see, that is all I ever see from both of your sides. Lots of smoke, but no fire. But hey, aside from my own, personal agenda, at least I have stepped up to the plate, and joined an organization where I can not only at least, rescue grins some slaves, but I can also make a quick buck doing so. What I have seen of CVA's policies is that as long as you follow the NRDS (Not read don't shoot) policy you will be free to move around as you please, of course if you break that policy (pirate in their space) they will fire on you. Regardless, have you considered the fact you might just be red to CVA and their allies? Last I looked Ghost festival was a pirate corp and no doubt CVA don't like you. NRDS do not protect people on CVA's crap-list, and that is unfortunate for you. As for the hauler, and their pardon to it that they did not make it in time; first off all, I can't recall that you have specified who the hauler was nor who the patrol was. Anyhow, if we assume that the Patrol was either UNITY or EM they would definitely fire on you first, if what I've heard of them is true. The transport, well, for all we know they were not aware he/she was transporting slaves, and I guess we will never know unless anyone shows up to tell us what actually happened. If they did not know odds are good they viewed him as a random pirate victim, thus offered an apology that they were to late to save him. Yeah, you sure did step up to the plate. Now you can rescue slaves all day and make money doing so, after all; everyone else's losses are pirate's loot and such. Things must really be hard in EM and UNITY, their not pirates, so they must indeed be very poor and helpless to stop every slaver transport that passes about. How fortunate for you that your in Ghost Festival now, and have solved this little problem... Personally, I think your making excuses and not liking the fact things got sucky for you today, or whenever this happened. Cheer up though, personally I've never met a poor pirate, and very rarely one that was really alone. You see, where I'm from pirates usually have numbers and the isk fixed, so there is little chance of not getting those ransoms or lovely explosions that yields all that nice loot for you. Final note, lots of smoke, no fire? I'm quite sure any pilot form CVA, EM, VV, PIE, UNITY, 17th or whatever faction can inform you of the latest going on’s in their frequent wars. That you don't see them killing each other every day don't mean it don't happen, it merely means your to occupied killing those "slaver" transports to see it. Sig source
Inara Subaka Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.09.24 15:32:00 - [16] Pilot Schui, I must agree with your hypothesis that many groups are hypocrites, with CONCORD being one of the worst. I also agree with you assessment of CVA's... unique approach to choosing their targets (if anyone ever actually figures that out, please let me know). While I have never had the misfortune of being destroyed by their forces, I have heard stories of what most would consider unlikely targets being eliminated in their borders. The thing that intrigues me most about your... rant (for lack of a more civil term) is the fact you pointed out something many have said before, and I am sure many will say again. The only people you can trust, are those that wish to do you harm. Look at me, and those I fly with for an example, I have no problems destroying a Pilot's ship and possessions if they are unwilling to pay for their safe release; but shame on me if I even considered destroying someone who negotiates passage. I would assume, for practical business practices at the very least, that this philosophy is held in esteem by most "pirate" corps. Inara pauses for a moment I won't berate you for venting your frustrations, oft times I would like to tell the universe exactly which black hole I think they can stick it in, but I must say that I find a small bit of irony in a supporter of the Cartel loosing their head after being destroyed. Fly safe Pilot Schui, and next time you run across a transport with slaves, and you're looking for a place to sell them I request you contact me. ((ooc: CVA space w/out a scout?))
Feng Schui Minmatar Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.09.24 15:47:00 - [17] Edited by: Feng Schui on 24/09/2008 15:47:18 Heh, at least a couple people do see what I am talking about. Although, on a side note Ms. Subaka, you're quite mistaken. What is making me lose my mind, is the fact that a certain, party, paid CONCORD so they could declare war on us. Odd seeing how we're all pirates and outlaws... But, they refuse to undock. This is driving me mad. Hypocrites. How are you going to remove us from this region if you never freaking undock. Well, anyways, I'm sure we'll see each other in the future. gives a faint smile ((ooc: i was the scout )) Project:Gank Pilgrim Guide
MirrorGod Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.09.24 16:07:00 - [18] What say you of myself, Feng? I think my alliance's name and alliance are pretty well outlined. Heretic Nation. We're against the Amarr, anti-slavery, and we're outlaws. Heretic Militia's tagline is pretty honest, I think. I'm not quoting directly but I believe it's something along the lines of "Freedom Figthers, Outlaws and God-killers." I must admit we don't spend our time chasing slave convoys. Not that I wouldn't if one presented itself, but honestly, I see very few bestowers traveling the spacelanes of the bleaks. I suppose we started fringe, living out in kor-azor killing what our young corporation could, but these days we've integrated ourselves among the common matari soldier. That's my organization. On a personal level, I also believe I'm pretty honest. If there's personal gain, or a gain for a cause I believe in, or even if I don't like the way someone activated a jump-gate, I think I put it out there that I'll engage. You want to know what I'm TRUELY loyal to? I will tell you. To fighting, engagments, especially but not exclusively when I'm killing someone who's particularly deluded, the average amarr-loyal capsuleer being a fine example. I'm loyal to the explosion, to a clean and proper recording of my kills and losses, right down to hearing that subtle yet delightful little sound when a capsule is breached and the ectoplasm meets the vacuum. Oh yes, and to justice and freedom as well...as defined by x politician by y government. Please note the sarcasm. I do have an apathy in that department, and while I'm sure some of my less trigger happy blues dislike this additude, I'll simply state my honest truth, that I fight for the pilots that fly along side me and not for the agenda's of any government. If there are less fortunates to be liberated, I'll do it to be free, and I do, but not for the sake of some suit's reputation, even if it is a Matari suit. Am I a hypocrite, Ms. Schui? Save Small Gang Warfare
Anabella Rella Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.09.24 16:58:00 - [19] Seems to me that, in the case of my corp and EM at any rate, we're totally consistent. If you're set as red to us or a pirate and we meet in space we'll try to kill you. Period. Sounds like that's what happened to you, pilot. I fail to see any incongruity. As to your absurd claims that GRD or EM are "in bed" with our enemies like VV, CVA or PIE...whatever boosters you're on please don't fly or make GalNet posts while (ab)using them, it leads to making outlandish statements and making yourself look completely foolish. And there's plenty of "fire" to go with our smoke thank you very much. Check the Concord database and you'll find that EM is pretty consistently at war against various slaver corporations and their supporters. I again fail to see any hypocrisy. You are a pirate. You are red. I will shoot you. How's that for unambiguous? What you want is irrelevant. What you've chosen is at hand.
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.24 19:00:00 - [20] You seem to be under the foolish assumption that the enemy of one's enemy is one's friend. That is the standpoint of a pragmatist, not of a moralist. You simply don't and probably can't understand the principles I live by. I have hope for many of God's Matari children, more hope than I have for most amoral pirates and thugs. This has nothing to do with hypocrisy, simply with your shallow understanding of morality and principles. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery

Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.09.24 19:28:00 - [21] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 24/09/2008 19:28:14 If there is a complaint on an EM combat patrol conduct (including selection of targets), please contact me directly with the details of the incident (time, location, pilots involved). General public slander without details will not be answered to. In general, the enemy of my enemy is the enemy of my enemy - nothing more and nothing less. Elsebeth Rhiannon Diplomat Electus Matari -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
3ll3 Gallente Tranquillity Nation	Posted - 2008.09.24 22:51:00 - [22] Um I may be wrong as is often the case but Feng Schui if I read right you where performing act's of Free-Lancing or pirating to use the more un-pleasent term correct? You got taken down by those who where in the process most probably of a Patrol, now if stop me if I am wrong but if your a Free-Lancer and these inderiduals where patroling to take down any of those in your particualr field of work then of cource your gonna be made Primary and shot at. So what your main complant is you where Destroyed while attempting to perform the art of priacy upon some one. In Laymann's terms you where Pirating and got Caught and Destroyed for it now your upset becouse you where Yanked and Ganked? I may no longer be in EM but I can tell you this much EM Patrol's never attack someone unless they have Due reason to. The Target is a War Target. The Target it Performing act of Piracy. The Target is on the KoS List. I would hazzard a guess you where on the second of those three. ________ Click above to learn more on 3ll3
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.09.25 04:02:00 - [23] Hm. Hypocrisy is such an easy word to try to club the nuances out of the universe with. We all have our "inconsistencies" ... we all justify them to ourselves, for the most part ... and to others, at times. It is no surprise if all sides shoot at us, even in preference to other enemies. It's a compliment they pay us. After all, should their limited war go total, should the Empires dissolve in a spiral of strife ... it is we who will be collecting their ashes. It will be a pity. Perhaps the war between the empires is as much a test of their fitness to exist as it is of ourselves. Patience, please, Ms. Schui. There will be time enough, and death enough, for all, I'm sure. Our war with Shern's people is mutual, and I would be disappointed in AFC if we found them easy to catch. They're under no more obligation to undock for our hunter-killers than we are for a mixed-hostile fleet. However, every kill we make in their backyard is a kill they have not prevented us from making, and is thus a failure on their part. Gods, I used to hate it when pirates made that argument. Ghost Festival is recruiting!
Shern Minmatar Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.09.25 06:08:00 - [24] There will be time for our pilots to get to grips with each other, Ms Jenneth. It suits me for now for you to know that we will support our allies in our home system. We cannot patrol all of Derelik and we do have duties in the Bleaks. But yes, patience. It's embarrasing that the tribals are apparently doing some of the work of keeping your pirates under control smiles but not unwelcome.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.09.25 06:47:00 - [25] As you wish it. I'll be looking forward to seeing your reactions, then-- and theirs. Ghost Festival is recruiting!
Nicoletta Mithra Amarr Aretaic Turn	Posted - 2008.09.25 08:54:00 - [26] To both arguments: Non sequitur. To the first: The enemy of my enemy is indeed exactly that: the enemy of my enemy. Nothing more, noting less. To the second: Every kill you make in their territory is a kill you make in their territory. Every kill they prevent is a kill they prevented. If or if not the one or the other is a success or a failure depends solely on the goal that your opponent has set for himself. Declaring that this or that would be a failure implies a certain goal. But it seems that the AFC has other goals and priorities than those you imply. Immediate ceisure avertion of your piratical activities might be their wish but they seem to have more patience with their goals than your pilots, Captain Jenneth.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.09.25 16:27:00 - [27] Gods and spirits, Ms. Mithra, do you assume I make all remarks with equal earnestness? Ah, well-- I suppose I can't expect to get away with a bit of the usual piratical banter with you looking over my shoulder. I'm not quite sure whether that's a boon or a pity. Hmp. So be it. Ghost Festival is recruiting!

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