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Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.28 00:53:00 - [121] Originally by: Sepherim That you once were right in something, doesn't mean you are right now in a completely different issue. Both Issues pertaining to high matters of the State, nonetheless. And the possibility of me being right or wrong, matters little. As a matter of fact it places you in a delicate position Keter: If I'm right and Jamyl turns to be everything that she is letting transparent by her actions ( reasons why you loyalists are so concerned at first place), you will see new colours shinning the Amarr Empire. Not Golden but Crimson. If I'm wrong and Jamyl isn't the rightful rule of the Amarr Empire, it means that you must be right and the Empress will be than a false Empress who cheated customs and traditions and will rule the Empire against everything that you, loyalists ever believed. So which of the two evils will you embrace as a cause Keter? Is it better that I be right or wrong this time? Originally by: Sepherim The Sani Sabik was in no measure used to value the truth in the Tetrimon's claim, and so was not judged during the process. This information is wrong and I'll rectify it because new pilots may want to have the correct reference to base their arguments: The Sani Sabik was a central point over all Tetrimon case, having my last home Verisum family and my own, officially excommunicated by Horm because of matters of wars and information to Court Chamberlain regarding the outpost. Actually, Sani Sabik involvement was a central point. Originally by: Sepherim In any case, we all know the Sani Sabik is a heresy considered such by the Theology Council, so the truth or falseness in Lady Jamyl Sarum's right to being Empress does not depend in any way of the Sani Sabik faith. This is a very compromising statement to make and very risky Keter. So if Lady Jamyl declares after Coronation that she is a Sani Sabik follower and reinstitutes the most pure Ancient Amarrian faith to be the only legal faith, will you than still be loyal independent of her faith? Originally by: Sepherim In fact, if I may say so, Thrice Illustrious Leader of the Sani Sabik, your "support" of Lady Sarum can only harm her in all that has to do with the Empire. If that's the case, she should do things that displeases me instead of being involved with rumours of secret weapons and murderers of certain Joshua cultists and such... so far, I have no reason at all to be displeased. She is the ruler that I would be if in her place. Again, does says a lot Keter...
Nicoletta Mithra Amarr Aretaic Turn	Posted - 2008.09.28 08:40:00 - [122] Originally by: Revan Neferis So which of the two evils will you embrace as a cause Keter? Is it better that I be right or wrong this time? Maybe both options are wrong and a third option is true? After all the two options that are given here don't cover the whole space of possibilities.
Eemaavi Amarr	Posted - 2008.09.28 14:11:00 - [123] Edited by: Eemaavi on 28/09/2008 14:14:05 Here is the Real dillema,, What on earth do I wear to an Imperial Coronation?! I mean this is THE biggest social event of the century! Its been Hundreds of years since the last one, obviously I will be in high Khanid fashion but the color choices are so hard. Red and Gold is always elegant and you can never go wrong, however with with all this Sani-Sabik talk perhaps it would be to risky..the Sarum House colors would be safe I suppose but I wearing Khanid Colors could help emphasize unity. Decisions, decisions at least I know which ship I will be taking...the Magnate, its just so Luxe deluxe. What will YOU be wearing to the Coronation? Yeah I'm an Alt- Go cry elswhere
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.09.28 14:44:00 - [124] Originally by: Revan Neferis This information is wrong and I'll rectify it because new pilots may want to have the correct reference to base their arguments: The Sani Sabik was a central point over all Tetrimon case, having my last home Verisum family and my own, officially excommunicated by Horm because of matters of wars and information to Court Chamberlain regarding the outpost. Actually, Sani Sabik involvement was a central point. That is your take on the issue, which is not surprising. But it doesn't actually relate to what I said. I said that the Sani Sabik faith was not used as a measure to judge the truth or falseness of the Tetrimon claim, as such a claim was judged only by the Theology Council. Quote: This is a very compromising statement to make and very risky Keter. So if Lady Jamyl declares after Coronation that she is a Sani Sabik follower and reinstitutes the most pure Ancient Amarrian faith to be the only legal faith, will you than still be loyal independent of her faith? Then it may be time for a new Saint Tetrimon to take his terrible duty, Miss Neferis. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.28 14:58:00 - [125] Originally by: Sepherim judged only by the Theology Council. One thing is saying that Sani Sabik faith wasn't involved with the facts that lead the decision ( which is incorrect ) and another thing is saying that a Sani Sabik leader didn't do the judgement himself/herself which is correct. There is nothing new with the fact that the Theology Council takes those decisions as an official entity of the Empire. Quote: This is a very compromising statement to make and very risky Keter. So if Lady Jamyl declares after Coronation that she is a Sani Sabik follower and reinstitutes the most pure Ancient Amarrian faith to be the only legal faith, will you than still be loyal independent of her faith? Originally by: Sepherim Then it may be time for a new Saint Tetrimon to take his terrible duty, Miss Neferis. smiles Keter, Keter... are you implying that to assassinate a legitimate Empress would be an holy act?
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.09.28 15:54:00 - [126] Originally by: Revan Neferis One thing is saying that Sani Sabik faith wasn't involved with the facts that lead the decision ( which is incorrect ) and another thing is saying that a Sani Sabik leader didn't do the judgement himself/herself which is correct. There is nothing new with the fact that the Theology Council takes those decisions as an official entity of the Empire. More or less I can partially agree with this. Still, you overvalue the participation of the Sani Sabik in the whole deal, but that is only natural given your current position. Quote: smiles Keter, Keter... are you implying that to assassinate a legitimate Empress would be an holy act? No, Miss Neferis, I would never say such a thing. What I'm saying is that assassinating a non-legitimate Emperor who is usurping such a high office has been seen with good eyes in the past when the Emperor went into heresy. I believe such would be the same case here if Lady Jamyl Sarum were ever to fall into the Sani Sabik faith. God goes before the Emperor. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.28 17:12:00 - [127] Originally by: Sepherim No, Miss Neferis, I would never say such a thing. What I'm saying is that assassinating a non-legitimate Emperor who is usurping such a high office has been seen with good eyes in the past when the Emperor went into heresy. I believe such would be the same case here if Lady Jamyl Sarum were ever to fall into the Sani Sabik faith. God goes before the Emperor. Well, let's take your statement per parts: A Legitimate Emperor or Empress is considered such once The high offices of the Empire being Court Chamberlain and Theology Council, recognizes the person as such upon Coronation. Basically this clearly states the fact that Jamyl Sarum, after Coronation will be officialy bestowed the Title of Empress and therefore, a legitimated ruler. The assassination of a legimate ruler, is treason and crime and that is what you are endorsing Keter. The question of an Emperor or Empress to go into heresy: The State of what is heresy and what is not, is declared by the Emperor or Empress himself/herself. If The Empress is the chosen of God, ruler and representative of the voice of God on this Universe, consequently the decisions of the Emperor or Empress is the will of God at the moment their are voiced. To say that an Emperor or Empress can fall into Heresy is the same as declaring that God has lost the right to speak his will by his chosen one. Furthermore, following the same sequence, If Lady Jamyl declares that the Sani Sabik faith is now the legitimate faith of the Empire, after Coronation, she is speaking with the voice of God herself. Who are you comparing to her to make any judgement of this matter Keter? Faith at least is what that blind fool Blake has presented. He says he will abide by the will of God and Jamyl whatever it comes. What of you, Keter? They say that I have fallen from Gods grace by questioning Horm once on the same matter: God before the Emperor. I see that you're following the exact same path.
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.09.28 17:42:00 - [128] Originally by: Revan Neferis The assassination of a legimate ruler, is treason and crime and that is what you are endorsing Keter. Ah, but you see "legitimacy" is such a slippery term. An Emperor can go too far, and if they do they'll find their divinity outclassed by the inherent holiness of our society and scripture.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.28 18:38:00 - [129] Originally by: Avel Kereka Ah, but you see "legitimacy" is such a slippery term. An Emperor can go too far, and if they do they'll find their "divinity" outclassed by the inherent holiness of our society and scripture. God kills those who fail him. Legitimacy, Loyalist, is not a slippery term. Unless you start to doubt and question your own government. This is where the sprigs of civil revolution comes from. Or you believe and have faith in the power of your Empire to legitimate this Coronation and Jamyl as a ruler, or you don't. If you do, you automatically accept Jamyl's nomination and Coronation as Legitimate. If you don't, you automatically doubt the system and everything that it represents, therefore incurring heresy and treason. Only two sides of one coin Mr Loyalist. The definition of Legitimate is made by the system you will be questioning if you don't accept it. What kind of unshakable faith that we so much hear about from lips of loyalists enthusiasts? And now " An Emperor can go too far..." and yet he speaks by the will of God? What sort of contradiction is this that we see rising from loyalists lips nowadays? An Emperor can only go as far as God wills it, isn't that so? I'm finding myself positively surprised with declarations I've been reading here lately. No wonder that PIE came in a desperate attempt to silence loyalists voices early on...
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.09.28 18:53:00 - [130] Originally by: Revan Neferis Legitimacy, Loyalist, is not a slippery term. Unless you start to doubt and question your own government. This is where the sprigs of civil revolution comes from. Or you believe and have faith in the power of your Empire to legitimate this Coronation and Jamyl as a ruler, or you don't. The Empire was saved by a "revolutionary" act during the reign of a mad Emperor. At the time of his coronation, nobody suspected he was a servant of the Demon; when it was clear he was no man of God, he was struck down by one who was. Don't try to lecture me in your ignorance.

Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.28 19:14:00 - [131] Originally by: Avel Kereka The Empire was saved by a "revolutionary" act during the reign of a mad Emperor. At the time of his coronation, nobody suspected he was a servant of the Demon; when it was clear he was no man of God, he was struck down by one who was. When you can't find justification in your false God you try to find justification in another visible entity now called Demon And with that I believe that your shortage of intelligent arguments are over concluding with: Originally by: Avel Kereka Don't try to lecture me in your ignorance. And yet it seems like my ignorance wouldn't issue such an ignorant statement. So it's the way of things. I bid you adieu.
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.09.28 19:22:00 - [132] Originally by: Revan Neferis When you can't find justification in your false God you try to find justification in another visible entity now called Demon If you don't believe in the scriptures why are we having this discussion? Originally by: Revan Neferis And with that I believe that your shortage of intelligent arguments are over concluding with Since you seem to have difficulty with simple logic, let me spell it out for you: If the Emperor breaks too many rules, the Emperor is taken down by the establishment. Sarum is a divine gift precisely because she's a traditionalist, and not a petty tyrant like you try to be.
Vlad Cetes Caldari Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.09.28 19:44:00 - [133] Originally by: Avel Kereka Sarum is a divine gift precisely because she's a traditionalist, and not a petty tyrant like you try to be. Sarum is human, and subject to all the weaknesses inherent in humanity. Flesh that burns, bones the break, blood that spills. And of course, a finite lifespan. I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.09.29 00:48:00 - [134] Mr Cetes is right there. As for the discussion at hand, first comes God, then comes the Empire, then comes the Emperor. If the Emperor goes against either one of the previous two, he has to step back or be put at ease. That was the case in Saint Tetrimon's murder of the Mad Emperor, as has been made reference before. So, the Emperor (or Empress in this case) is only Legitimate as long as she remains tied to what the Empire is. In a case of High Treason as you are describing, Miss Neferis, she loses all legitimacy. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Inara Subaka Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.09.29 04:06:00 - [135] Originally by: Avel Kereka Ah, but you see "legitimacy" is such a slippery term. An Emperor can go too far, and if they do they'll find their "divinity" outclassed by the inherent holiness of our society and scripture. Inara clears her throat May I be as bold as to ask who you, or anyone outside of the Emperor/Empress, is considered worth to define legitimacy, and decide if they've "gone too far"? Surely you wouldn't be as bold as to claim a mere citizen, even a Pilot, is worthy to decide that? A trademark sadists' grin crosses her face You must be getting desperate to feel the lash of Lady Sarum's lash if you are being this bold. And to the rest of you, how are you to know the will of this God you claim to worship and follow? Who are you to say the one chosen by your God isn't doing what they are divinely inspired to do? I find superstitions like your Divine Mandate silly, but if you're going to claim to follow a philosophy, at least attempt to be consistent. If she is crowned, then by your own words it is God's will, if it is God's will then you have no place to question it... Shakes her head And here I was thinking the political nonsense in the Federation was an atrocity; the Empire is loosing grip on the strength and pride I remember hearing about growing up. Almost makes me miss listening to board meetings, and the cut throat negotiation tactics of State positions.
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.09.29 07:14:00 - [136] Originally by: Inara Subaka May I be as bold as to ask who you, or anyone outside of the Emperor/Empress, is considered worth to define legitimacy, and decide if they've "gone too far"? Surely you wouldn't be as bold as to claim a mere citizen, even a Pilot, is worthy to decide that? I'm pure-blooded Amarrian and my faith is pure. You, on the other hand, are an upstart who likes to parade around on IGS in scandalous outfits. Originally by: Inara Subaka A trademark sadists' grin crosses her face Sometimes I wonder if you're really just a sexually frustrated male.
Inara Subaka Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.09.29 09:14:00 - [137] Originally by: Avel Kereka I'm pure-blooded Amarrian and my faith is pure. You, on the other hand, are an upstart who likes to parade around on IGS in scandalous outfits. Apparently I was too bold for your tastes, I have said before that I am not as well versed in the politics of the Empire as someone who has lived there their entire life, nor do I have any desire to become acquainted with them or live under the Empire's rule. I was simply curious, and making assumptions from the words of many of the pure Amarrians I have spoken with. My question still stands however, how can a citizen, even a Pilot, question what you consider the will of your God? As for my outfits, your body is nothing to be ashamed of, in fact you should be proud of it. And my outfits are usually far from "scandalous", in fact I have been called a bit of a prude by several of my Gallente acquaintances. I have been "blessed" by good genetics that allow me a moderately attractive appearance, by far not the most beautiful woman in the world, and I definitely won't be winning this years "Miss New Eden" pagent, but nothing to hide or be ashamed of. Originally by: Avel Kereka Sometimes I wonder if you're really just a sexually frustrated male. Inara carefully states her next words, not threateningly, but to make sure they are not misunderstood Let me assure you, I am a woman, just not as submissive as some Amarrian males would prefer their women to be. As for being frustrated... a small, almost sad, laugh escapes her lips that I am, but not in the way you mentioned. My life if full of vice, you have probably seen some of them; no, my frustration is that there has yet to be a man that I find worthy of devoting a portion of my life to for the rest of my immortal existence, nor a man that is willing to play second fiddle... Inara looks down momentarily before returning her gaze, once more radiating confidence But that is neither here nor there, my daughter, the adopted Amarrian child named Jall'n, has given me a bit more directive in life. My comments were directed towards you, for the reason that I know what happens when undue disrespect is shown by those under me, and I have but a mere candle of power compared to the blazing sun Lady Sarum has shown to possess. Only the most masochistic of my slaves would ever question me in the same tone or manner you speak of your soon to be Mistress, makes one wonder whether you are the one that is... frustrated.
Bast's Cleric Amarr 24th Imperial Reserves	Posted - 2008.09.29 09:24:00 - [138] Originally by: Inara Subaka Let me assure you, I am a woman, just not as submissive as some Amarrian males would prefer their women to be. The camera feed comes on showing her sparsely decorated quarters and her feet flailing in the air as the sound of really loud laughter fills the audio feed, she then realizes that the feed is on and sits up, still trying to wipe a smirk off her face If you truly think that Amarrian women are submissive then you truly need to visit Amarr Prime. - Logistics Frigates
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.09.29 09:30:00 - [139] Very well, you ask and I shall reply. Besides being a pilot, I also am a scholar. My quest for knowledge is very rewarding, and one of the knowledge's I have studied is political science, and another is history. Both of which it is obvious you haven't studied, at least for the Empire. Legitimacy in the Empire is obtained only through the prolongued backing of God, it is not a thing to be given away in a moment unlike a corporate buyout. As such, if the path of the Emperor goes too far away from God's path, such an Emperor has to be placed where he belongs in one way or the other. Usually it is nothing drastic, and is basically corrected by imperial politics and the power-struggles of the five Heir Families. When it is not, some other options are available. History shows us that it has been done, and approved, that one Emperor was taken down by the force, as he was murdered by Tetrimon; and such was the approval of such a murder, that Tetrimon was expelled from the Empire (obvious he would have a punishment, but it is important to note that the usual price for such a crime would be death) and after that was made Saint and is still worshipped by the Amarr to this day. I'm no theologist, that's true, so I don't know what is "real deviancy" from the rule. Yet it is simple, the Sani Sabik Faith are heretics declared such by the Theology Council, and have been so for a very long time. If an Emperor were to follow such beliefs, he would be falling into a declared heresy, and thus losing the Legitimacy to Reign if he weren't set back to the rightful path of the Amarrian leader. And now, if you would excuse us, I know you Sani Sabik like to discuss your religion in every matter, yet this topic is not about your faith in any way. Can we get back to the Amarrian Succession and stop losing time with the Sani Sabik doubts of what they believe would be a remotely possible thing to which they see dubious "signs"? Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Blanche Genevre Gallente Top Guns Inc. StarFleet Federation	Posted - 2008.09.29 10:26:00 - [140] Originally by: Avel Kereka Originally by: Inara Subaka May I be as bold as to ask who you, or anyone outside of the Emperor/Empress, is considered worth to define legitimacy, and decide if they've "gone too far"? Surely you wouldn't be as bold as to claim a mere citizen, even a Pilot, is worthy to decide that? I'm pure-blooded Amarrian and my faith is pure. You, on the other hand, are an upstart who likes to parade around on IGS in scandalous outfits. Originally by: Inara Subaka A trademark sadists' grin crosses her face Sometimes I wonder if you're really just a sexually frustrated male. For all that matters here, considering all the IGS posts that you bunch of so called loyalists have done, it's clear to me that you must be the sexual frustrated ones.

Inara Subaka Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.09.29 10:58:00 - [141] Originally by: Bast's Cleric The camera feed comes on showing her sparsely decorated quarters and her feet flailing in the air as the sound of really loud laughter fills the audio feed, she then realizes that the feed is on and sits up, still trying to wipe a smirk off her face If you truly think that Amarrian women are submissive then you truly need to visit Amarr Prime. Inara joins her for a brief laugh No, no. I think you misunderstood me m'lady. I know the majority of Amarrian women are far from submissive, if you will please be kind enough to watch my recording once again... Originally by: Inara Subaka ...just not as submissive as some Amarrian males would prefer... Inara's demeanor sobers slightly Mr. Sepherim, thank you for your information. At least someone was kind enough to explain things. You are right, I have spent little of my precious time studying the history and politics of the Empire; eventually I plan on studying those topics, but my time is currently being taken up by an energetic 8 year old. I still don't understand how someone who can claim that the crown can only be given to one chosen by their God, yet if they feel there is some way they can question that same ascension to power. Maybe my take on your superstitions are flawed, I just assumed (apparently in error) that faith was meant to be unwavering... As for me being Sani Sabik Inara chuckles, don't associate me with those superstitious people. But I will agree with your assessment that we should focus on the topic at hand, the Succession.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.29 13:31:00 - [142] Originally by: Inara Subaka May I be as bold as to ask who you, or anyone outside of the Emperor/Empress, is considered worth to define legitimacy, and decide if they've "gone too far"? Surely you wouldn't be as bold as to claim a mere citizen, even a Pilot, is worthy to decide that? A trademark sadists' grin crosses her face You must be getting desperate to feel the lash of Lady Sarum's lash if you are being this bold. Actually dear, that's the mere reason of their desperation here: they can't. None of these loyalists are qualified to define legitimacy neither to judge it. As a matter of fact things are very simple: If Jamyl passes by the ceremony, receives her Title, holds the sceptre of Empress and at the next minute issue a declaration that Pax Amarr is heretic and all books needs to be immediately destroyed and their followers persecuted without mercy, that is exactly what it would be law. This was how the Apocrypha was condemned at first place, and any Empress or Emperor holds the power to define what is heretic and what's not under their leadership. The fact that Jamyl, a Sarum arch traditionalist True Amarr, that endorses war, absolute command, power by military mighty and purification of race * eyes the ni-kuni so called loyalist* is what is wrecking their nerves into pieces. The fact that those are also Sani Sabik precepts, is making it worse. They don't know what they want to believe any more and at the time they start to contest their traditions, their faith, their unconditional obedience to the future Empress to be and try to pretend that they can dictate matters of high State even impersonating her own voice... than you see the level of desperation in their words. To me, as long as she continues to eliminate my enemies and cleansing the house as she seem to be doing, I couldn't be more satisfied.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.09.29 15:38:00 - [143] Originally by: Inara Subaka I still don't understand how someone who can claim that the crown can only be given to one chosen by their God, yet if they feel there is some way they can question that same ascension to power. Maybe my take on your superstitions are flawed, I just assumed (apparently in error) that faith was meant to be unwavering... Very well, let me check the textbooks at hand. Ah, here it is. Legitimacy is the act of justifying a determined regime of policy. Each society can justify it in any number of ways, and under any number of conditions to which the governor has to comply in order to remain a valid ruler. As such, it can be defined by positive elements (things that a governor can do and that have to take place for him to reign) or negative ones (things a governor can't do, or things that must not take place). One example: the Gallente legitimate their own governments by some positive elements; as such, a governor has to be elected, has to create law according to the Constitution, and has to leave his office after four years for a new election to take place. As well, it has some negative elements, being the strongest that he has to retain the confidence of the electorate, and that he has to abide by the law like any other citizen. If he stops obeying one of the positives, or falls into one of the negatives, his government is not just but tyranical, and he may be forced to leave the office or even face trial, depending on the circumstances. With the Empire it is the same, like with all nations. We may be simpler, though, as our core rules of legitimacy are quite simple. Positive element, we have that the Emperor has to be chosen by God By a simple series of rituals that ends with Shak'tol Syn. Negative, we have the Faith, to which the Emperor has always to remain true, as encoded in the Scriptures; he can modify the Scriptures, but always within the essence of such Scriptures. As such, the Emperor can be out of the legitimacy, because the legitimacy is external to the office. We cannot unname him Emperor, but we he can be an illegitimate Emperor, as has happened in the past, and there are ways to solve such a situation, being death the most drastic, and only used once in all our history. Oh, and Miss Neferis, remember that the Pax Amarria is not part of our creed nor religion. It is a book written by the Emperor, true, but it is in no way part of the Scriptures. As such, it is only a collection of ideas, feelings, and philosophies written by Heideran the Second, not an obligation for all Amarr to follow and accept.
Vlad Cetes Caldari Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.09.29 19:19:00 - [144] Originally by: Sepherim Very well, let me check the textbooks at hand. Ah, here it is. Legitimacy is the act of justifying a determined regime of policy. Each society can justify it in any number of ways, and under any number of conditions to which the governor has to comply in order to remain a valid ruler. As such, it can be defined by positive elements (things that a governor can do and that have to take place for him to reign) or negative ones (things a governor can't do, or things that must not take place). There is one form of government, Individual Sepherim, that is not troubled to such issues as legitimacy. That being a military dictatorship. There is nothing external that can affect the outcome of legitimacy. What is legitimate, is what the Commanding General says is legitimate. Might makes Right. Perhaps the best thing for Amarr would have been to let Admiral Saracen run the government. He at least had the right idea of what to do in the Bleaks. He was reasonably effective, more so than the 24th has been. I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature.
Inara Subaka Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.09.29 20:16:00 - [145] Originally by: Sepherim Very well, let me check ... only used once in all our history. Inara takes in Sepherim's words and ponders for a moment So, let me see if I am understanding you correctly. The Emperor/Empress is put into position through the will of your God and through a set of trials. This same position has the power to speak for God and decide what is and is not "legitimate", yet if the Emperor/Empress steps outside of what someone else calls "legitimate" they can come in and assassinate them. I fear that without a few months of dedicated reading, even with my improved mental capacity, I won't be understanding the nuances of Imperial politics. I'll keep your name on file somewhere, once my portion of the universe slows down a bit I'll be looking for the proper literature, and maybe a guiding hand should I get lost in the words. This is part of the reason I have chosen to live on the fringes of society, the 4 nations have too many quirks and fallacies for my tastes.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.09.30 02:09:00 - [146] Edited by: Sepherim on 30/09/2008 02:12:34 Originally by: Inara Subaka So, let me see if I am understanding you correctly. The Emperor/Empress is put into position through the will of your God and through a set of trials. This same position has the power to speak for God and decide what is and is not "legitimate", yet if the Emperor/Empress steps outside of what someone else calls "legitimate" they can come in and assassinate them. No, the Emperor doesn't choose what is or is not legitimate, the Emperor "only" writes law and guides the nation. In a certain way, legitimacy comes from the bond between the people of the Empire and the Emperor, it is the things the Emperor must be or do in order to have their backing and approval. Originally by: Vlad Cetes There is one form of government, Individual Sepherim, that is not troubled to such issues as legitimacy. That being a military dictatorship. There is nothing external that can affect the outcome of legitimacy. What is legitimate, is what the Commanding General says is legitimate. Might makes Right. I'm afraid you're wrong, Mr Cetes. A dictatorship like that can be legitimate in case the people approve of it and it's beliefs, being as such legitimated by public acceptance and ideals. Or it can be an illegitimate government, but one strong enough to resist even they lack such a legitimacy.
Vlad Cetes Caldari Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.09.30 02:48:00 - [147] Originally by: Sepherim I'm afraid you're wrong, Mr Cetes. A dictatorship like that can be legitimate in case the people approve of it and it's beliefs, being as such legitimated by public acceptance and ideals. Or it can be an illegitimate government, but one strong enough to resist even they lack such a legitimacy. That's the point you fail to see. Your religion that forces you to believe everything must be legitimate blinds you. A dictatorship does not need legitimacy for anyone who questions it can be disposed of.
Revan Neferis Amarr The Archaeus of Blood	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:52:00 - [148] Originally by: Vlad Cetes A dictatorship does not need legitimacy for anyone who questions it can be disposed of. Jamyl is showing this principle very well. Also, she didn't need legitimacy to get there either. Everyone knows that Jamyl didn't submit herself to the trials. Another point that just reinforces your statement Mr. Cetes.
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:14:00 - [149] Originally by: Sepherim I'm afraid you're wrong, Mr Cetes. A dictatorship like that can be legitimate in case the people approve of it and it's beliefs, being as such legitimated by public acceptance and ideals. Or it can be an illegitimate government, but one strong enough to resist even they lack such a legitimacy. This means all governments fall under the rules of legitimacy, wether to be a legitimate government or an illegitimate but stable one. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.09.30 15:59:00 - [150] Originally by: Vlad Cetes That's the point you fail to see. Your religion that forces you to believe everything must be legitimate blinds you. A dictatorship does not need legitimacy for anyone who questions it can be disposed of. Have you ever been a dictator, Mr. Cetes? Do you know what it is like to have your people overwhelm your guards, or have a knife slipped into your back? Perhaps you're Caldari, so you'd commit suicide before suffering that dishonour; but never forget that all power rests on some sort of foundation and short of being a deity you will make a mistake if you get too arrogant and tyrannical.

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