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Inara Subaka
Caldari
the united
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Posted - 2008.09.26 08:59:00 -
[61]
While I find Empire politics rather tedious, I do find your conversation quite... humorous. However, I must clarify a couple of things that I disagree with Pilot Sarum about.
 Originally by: Arelius Sarum
She needs to explain why she is still alive and where she obtained the weapon from.
What does it matter? To be honest, she could be in league with the Devil himself, as long as she continues to hold the figurative "biggest stick". There are many ways to avoid death that many would consider miraculous, sheer luck by my best guess, but many would call it Divine Intervention. As for her weapon... I have tried to obtain logs of ships in the area when it was used, that much power... *Inara closes her eyes, as if tasting a fine meal* Magnificent!
Originally by: Arelius Sarum
The end does not justify the means. Mind you, we have not seen the results and we already have people disappearing.
Has not the Empire done things that are less than honorable to achieve their goals in the past? I find your double standards to be quite amusing; It's okay for previous leaders to have shady dealings, but the soon to be Empress must be "perfect"?
And, you are wrong, the ends does justify the means. I remember an old story about a man who became a monster, blood-thirsty, power-mad, he was the worst of the worst... but he did it so his family could live free of the other monsters in the world. While a children's tale, because obviously men cannot physically transform into hideous beasts with claws and fangs, the moral stays the same.
My hope is that some day, after she has been crowned, she has a "get together" for all of you who have spoken ill of her and allows you to see first hand the power of the tool she has aboard her Abaddon-class battleship. And maybe on that day, I will be fortunate enough to have a friend nearby to take proper scans so that power can be harnessed within my own circles.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Shadow Company
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.26 11:37:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Inara Subaka
Has not the Empire done things that are less than honorable to achieve their goals in the past? I find your double standards to be quite amusing; It's okay for previous leaders to have shady dealings, but the soon to be Empress must be "perfect"?
When the two most likely options of Jamyl Sarum being still alive are:
1. She faked her suicide, and is thus a coward and a blasphemer as it was both scripture and her duty to the empire to go through with Shathol-Syn.
2. She's a clone. And thus a criminal and blasphemer as the Heirs (and all potential heirs) are not allowed to be tainted by cloning technology.
...that goes beyond "shady".
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2008.09.26 12:02:00 -
[63]
Mr. Delateriel is correct, it is as simple as that. Of course, it can be a "miracle", so all we're saying is that we deserve an explanation. And no, Miss Neferis, I don't pretend her to explain it to a pilot such as myself, but believe me I have spoken with many agents inside both the Heir families and the Theology Council and none of them could or were willing to explain anything. There is a problem there, because it hints directly to the lack of a true miracle, and the existance only of political maneuvering. No canonization process has started, afterall.
As for all that defend the "all is appropriate if the means are worthy" approach, I shall remember you that such is a false truth inside the Empire. At least among those of us who still follow the True Faith. There is only one path for us all to follow: God's path. Nothing, and I mean nothing, justifies leaving that path.
As for Brother Joshua, I must admit I haven't spoken with him lately, so I can't confirm if he was one of the dissapeared Speakers. But if anyone is taking care of the Speakers of Truth in this manner they are not only breaking the laws of the Amarr, but also our traditions. And shall be punished for it.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2008.09.26 12:46:00 -
[64]
And the day comes to light when Loyalists conspires against the will of their God, and doubt the rule of the coming Empress.
And the day comes to light when they transpire fear and uncertainty, and debate against each other about the legitimacy of their cerimonies and the judgement of their betters.
An Empire once united by umbreakable faith, now tears apart in public display.
Doubt and fear loyalists! let us all drink from your loss of faith. And may the Empress be watching close to see the effects of years of weakness and false religion has created.
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2008.09.26 13:35:00 -
[65]
You are certainly seeing too much in my words, Miss Neferis. Remember the future Empress is not yet Empress, and until next week our eternal loyalty is not under her feet. It will be then, of course, but only then.
Until next friday we still have a week to find our own answers. As we always do.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2008.09.26 13:51:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 26/09/2008 13:55:35
Originally by: Sepherim
You are certainly seeing too much in my words, Miss Neferis. Remember the future Empress is not yet Empress, and until next week our eternal loyalty is not under her feet. It will be then, of course, but only then.
Until next friday we still have a week to find our own answers. As we always do.
Ah Keter of the Ordo, I did not mention your words alone. A few days before her Coronation and we can hear screams of loyalists floading the IGS with words such as betrayer, conspirator, false clone, dubious amidst others.
I ask you, Keter: Are those words pertinent to the Empress to be?
Amarr loyalists demanding her voice as if the Empire is some sort of empty democracy...
Certainly Jamyl Sarum is the Empress to be. And the words you have spoken against her, showing the extreme lack of faith won't change their meaning after a few days.
It will be marked. And it will remembered.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.26 14:14:00 -
[67]
Killed many Jove lately, Revan?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Bast's Cleric
Amarr
24th Imperial Reserves
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Posted - 2008.09.26 14:17:00 -
[68]
clears her throat as the camera feed comes on, showing her in her sparse quarters
As one set of my Grandmothers Eyes and ears, and her Occasional speaker, I have this to say about the behavior she has witnessed in this area.
With regards to the actions of CCCP INC. They are not, nor have they ever been condoned by grandmother or the Empire. In fact anyone who is willing to go to war on them will receive the full blessings of the Empire.
And to the members of Curatores Veritatis Alliance, Please continue the great work you are doing in the Providence region, your long lasting efforts towards the empire are appreciated and will not go unrewarded. Already workers are preparing large claims of land to be provided to your members that prove they are loyal to the empire.
Oh and Archbishop, grandmother sends her greetings and wonders when you will next stop by and bring news of your efforts.
Reachs forward and cuts the feed to the camera, the picture slowly fading out
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Kimochi Rendar
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.09.26 14:26:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Killed many Jove lately, Revan?
Kimochi stifles a chuckle at that remark.
Ahem.
Actually I would find it quite amusing if the Empress revealed shortly after coronation that she is infact a follower of the Sani Sabik faith. The irony would be most exquisite.
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Kai Zion
The Zion Accounts
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Posted - 2008.09.26 14:30:00 -
[70]
Kai patches in to GalNet from the Festival of Life, her third glass of wine in hand.
Ya know...she is Sani in her own way, whether she likes it or not!
She staggers a little momentarily before shutting the comms off.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2008.09.26 14:32:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Killed many Jove lately, Revan?
All the ones that you have sent my way heretic. Getting short of messengers lately?
Originally by: Kimochi Rendar
Kimochi stifles a chuckle at that remark.
Ahem.
Actually I would find it quite amusing if the Empress revealed shortly after coronation that she is infact a follower of the Sani Sabik faith. The irony would be most exquisite.
Amen. Hope to Amarr Empire at last!
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.26 14:39:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Killed many Jove lately, Revan?
All the ones that you have sent my way heretic. Getting short of messengers lately?
I'll take that as a "no" then.
You really should get over to Atioth, I'm sure that they're getting bored of waiting for you.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2008.09.26 14:54:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 26/09/2008 14:58:15
Originally by: Rodj Blake
You really should get over to Atioth, I'm sure that they're getting bored of waiting for you.
Thank you for reminding that the loyalists were not even able to revenge their fallen and hid their tails between their legs.
Now let me see, the reason why you are bringing the this topic here can only be a few as you are very predictable:
To try to diverge the fact that PIE came here desperate to make loyalists shut their mouths regarding Jamyl and was totaly ignored
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To try to bring the fact that Jamyl can be involved with Jovian technology and perhaps even made the revenge herself siding with Sani Sabik.
Or are you the one to reveal to the world what Jamyl has been up to all those years... when she retiurns from death and so do I?
Worried much? You should and it shows.
Of course there is the option of delusion, when a mind cannot grasp the nature of anannouncement and speaks about something totaly different as " Coronation of the Future Empress x Revenge of Atioth " but that would be clinical and I'd hate to think that my most amusing enemy is getting into that path.
Now, now heretic... any of the above, the fact remains that trying to disrupt a thread about the Coronation of your Empress speaks lots about your own lack of judgement in the matter.
tsk tsk, bad boy, bad boy...
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.26 14:59:00 -
[74]
Revan, you really do seem to be not very up-to-date with things.
Perhaps you should read up on things before opening your mouth? Although now that I think about it, you never allowed your ignorance of a subject to prevent you from claiming to be an expert before, so why start now?
Maybe you should read the statement I made after Jamyl's reappearance in order to better understand our stance on this.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2008.09.26 15:05:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Revan, you really do seem to be not very up-to-date with things.
Ah do enlight me the correlation between Atioth with the Coronation of teh Empress 
It seems like even after returning to death, I'm more up to date to your delusions than you are about your realities.
But that is a known fact of years and years...
Now, as a true Amarr Sani Sabik, I will pay my respects to Jamyl and let the communication follow the flow of what it pertains. ( still waiting anxiously of course the Atioth x Coronation comment of yours if you deem to derail the important announcement even further, which is always a sign of loyalism at their best)
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.26 15:10:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Revan, you really do seem to be not very up-to-date with things.
Ah do enlight me the correlation between Atioth with the Coronation of teh Empress
It seems like even after returning to death, I'm more up to date to your delusions than you are about your realities.
But that is a known fact of years and years...
Now, as a true Amarr Sani Sabik, I will pay my respects to Jamyl and let the communication follow the flow of what it pertains. ( still waiting anxiously of course the Atioth x Coronation comment of yours if you deem to derail the important announcement even further, which is always a sign of loyalism at their best)
Do I really need to spell it out for you?
I had hoped that you were smart enough to work it out for yourself, but it seems that it is not to be so.
The correlation isn't directly between Lady Jamyl and Atioth, but rather between you claiming to be some sort of expert on the matter at hand and your previous claims on other matters - claims which have all invariably turned out to be a pile of old baloney.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2008.09.26 15:15:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
The correlation isn't directly between Lady Jamyl and Atioth
Then you are out of topic and therefore using the announcement of her Coronation to your own personal feuds.
What a terrible shame to yet another who call himself loyalist.
thanks for clarification on the matter.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.26 15:27:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Rodj Blake
The correlation isn't directly between Lady Jamyl and Atioth
Then you are out of topic and therefore using the announcement of her Coronation to your own personal feuds.
What a terrible shame to yet another who call himself loyalist.
thanks for clarification on the matter.
Since you're so eager to keep things on topic, perhaps you would answer me this question:
When Lady Jamyl is crowned, will you be swearing fealty to the new Empress Jamyl I?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Pharaik
Amarr
CCCP INC
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Posted - 2008.09.26 15:36:00 -
[79]
Quote:
With regards to the actions of CCCP INC. They are not, nor have they ever been condoned by grandmother or the Empire. In fact anyone who is willing to go to war on them will receive the full blessings of the Empire.
And how would you know that the empress has never contacted us or condoned our actions??
Its simple you would never know.
Little peons such as your self are used for the front line cannonfodder work, while proven fighters of Amarr are given real tasks to defend sections of space and removing any heretics in the area.
Crawl back into your cruiser and carry on pretending you are needed.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2008.09.26 15:40:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Since you're so eager to keep things on topic
Of course I am. This is called respect something that Sani Sabik is showing more at this thread then the so called loyalists themselves. But something that eventually you will learn
Originally by: Rodj Blake
perhaps you would answer me this question:
I will answer because it's pertinent to the topic
Originally by: Rodj Blake
When Lady Jamyl is crowned, will you be swearing fealty to the new Empress Jamyl I?
If Jamyl Sarum declares that she has returned to bring back the only Amarr ancient faith, written at The holy Apocrypha containg the parts of the scripture that were removed by pure negligence and corrupt modern politics, yes, I will swear my unconditional support to her.
So far, her return has done nothing than to please me. The destruction of teh Armada, the happy " coincidence" of the dissapearance of several members of the false weal Speakers of truth.
I have no reasons whatsoever to think that Jamyl isn't back to bring Amarr to it's glory again.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.26 15:45:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 26/09/2008 15:46:18
So in other words, you won't unless she does exactly as you want her too.
Which of course would be a self-contradiction.
And that is the exact difference between me and you. I'm loyal to the Empire whether I agree with it or not. You are, in the end, only loyal to yourself.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2008.09.26 15:56:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
So in other words, you won't unless she does exactly as you want her too.
Wrong. Unless she does exactly what is needed to do to bring Amarr to Power and glory again.
Which of course is what I want her to do as a true Amarr.
Originally by: Rodj Blake
And that is the exact difference between me and you. I'm loyal to the Empire whether I agree with it or not.
You are very right. You would be loyal even if they sit a slave hound at the throne and declare that all loyalists should bark instead of speak.
That's the nature pof people who doesn't think.
On that we are very different indeed. The very reason why I left the Empire at first place is because I believe that being Ammar is not only bending to whatever circunstance.
Being Amarr is feeling as an Amarr and taking pride on conquer, wage wars, power and all that flows within our Blood.
I take great pride on saying that: we are extremelly different.
Now, this thread isn't about you or me , is it?
May Jamyl be a true Amarr not only as an Empress but by blood as well.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.26 16:31:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
May Jamyl be a true Amarr not only as an Empress but by blood as well.
And what would you know about being a true Amarr, traitor?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Avel Kereka
Amarr
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.09.26 16:56:00 -
[84]
Jamyl is a traditionalist where it counts Revan, I wouldn't put much hope in her being a Blood Raider. She'll be flying very different colours if my guess is correct.
As for the rest of you, Khanid refused suicide and his line yet lives. God makes our weakness apparent when we are wrong.
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Amira Silvermist
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.09.26 17:13:00 -
[85]
No idea who that "Revan" gal is but she sure has a big mouth for a fresh academy graduate...
Lets just hope that the academy standard will be improved under our new empress.
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Blanche Genevre
Gallente
Top Guns Inc.
StarFleet Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.26 17:17:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Revan Neferis
May Jamyl be a true Amarr not only as an Empress but by blood as well.
And what would you know about being a true Amarr, traitor?
At least she appears to be interested about this cerimony and polite when speaking about it. From an outsider trying to follow the fact and understand it, you're the one disrespecting your own traditions.
If I compare what she speaks against what you speak, it's easy to see that she knows more about being a true Amarr than any of you so desperate to insult her.
As far as I can understand, CVA, PIE and CCCP together have been the ones trying to disrupt the good line of communications about what is happening.
I find it very strange as to why the loyalists would do such thing.
And thank you Aveka for answering my question above.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.26 17:35:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Blanche Genevre
As far as I can understand, CVA, PIE and CCCP together have been the ones trying to disrupt the good line of communications about what is happening.
That is certainly not my intention. In order to avoid any further confusion on the matter, I will refrain from posting here except in response to points aimed directly at me. However, I urge you to put Neferis' comments in the context of her previous activities.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2008.09.26 18:07:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Amira Silvermist
fresh academy graduate...
Mmmm I'm absolutely sure now that I have done well by upgrading my biomass previous system with a new technology. It seems like the old previous clone versions are presenting memory shortage now.
Sad to see such, specially from a pilot that I have taken under my wings on her first days at academy, when she would fly under my fleet with a punisher at Aegis Militia wars against the gallente and Tetrimon reclaiming...
* Revan shakes her head * In times when technology advances so fast... human mind fails in perception of their own immortality.
Anyway, to the subject:
Originally by: Avel Kereka
Jamyl is a traditionalist where it counts Revan, I wouldn't put much hope in her being a Blood Raider.
I would hate if Jamyl declares herself a Blood raider. As it is well known, the Blood raider sect have their specific ways of interpretation of the Sani Sabik ideology and it's contrary from the Bloodveil sect in many ways.
So I hope that you are right in this aspect.
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Arelius Sarum
Amarr
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.26 18:14:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Inara Subaka
While I find Empire politics rather tedious, I do find your conversation quite... humorous. However, I must clarify a couple of things that I disagree with Pilot Sarum about.
What does it matter? To be honest, she could be in league with the Devil himself, as long as she continues to hold the figurative "biggest stick". There are many ways to avoid death that many would consider miraculous, sheer luck by my best guess, but many would call it Divine Intervention. As for her weapon... I have tried to obtain logs of ships in the area when it was used, that much power... *Inara closes her eyes, as if tasting a fine meal* Magnificent!
At this point, she has bypassed traditions and laws, seemingly faked her own death and working with some unknown forces. At this rate, she has the potential to be the most tyranical ruler the Empire will have.
Quote:
Has not the Empire done things that are less than honorable to achieve their goals in the past? I find your double standards to be quite amusing; It's okay for previous leaders to have shady dealings, but the soon to be Empress must be "perfect"?
And, you are wrong, the ends does justify the means. I remember an old story about a man who became a monster, blood-thirsty, power-mad, he was the worst of the worst... but he did it so his family could live free of the other monsters in the world. While a children's tale, because obviously men cannot physically transform into hideous beasts with claws and fangs, the moral stays the same.
My hope is that some day, after she has been crowned, she has a "get together" for all of you who have spoken ill of her and allows you to see first hand the power of the tool she has aboard her Abaddon-class battleship. And maybe on that day, I will be fortunate enough to have a friend nearby to take proper scans so that power can be harnessed within my own circles.
You logic is very amusing. I carry the blame for double standards when the action is done by the state? Perhaps you should put down the Mindflood and learn the actions of a state is attributed to the government and not the individual citizen.
And to what end does that serve? Silencing her opponents by arranging their disappearance? This is laughable on so many levels. An Empire without a voice of dissent will become stagnant and tyranical. In the most likely case, Jamyl faked her own death which spells lack of integrity and honesty. I do not wish to be the subject of such person.
Perhaps she would make a good businesswoman in Caldari along with the greedy executives, but she is unfit to rule in Amarr.
Per Ardua ad Astra - Through Adversity, to the Stars
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2008.09.26 18:33:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Arelius Sarum
At this point, she has bypassed traditions and laws, seemingly faked her own death and working with some unknown forces.
And wouldn't those subjects be subjects of Empire Proportion and already analyzed by Empire Officers ? And if still they have decided that Jamyl is the Empress to be, does it mean that we are watching Loyalists turning against their betters and questioning their decisions? Also are we watching capsuleers trying to take matters of the State to their own hands?
Originally by: Arelius Sarum
At this rate, she has the potential to be the most tyranical ruler the Empire will have.
So mote it be, amen.
That is exactly what Amarr needs now.
Originally by: Arelius Sarum
She is unfit to rule in Amarr.
I haven't seen this declaration from Court Chamberlain... but it's amusing to read such from a capsuleer self declared loyalist.
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