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3ll3
Gallente
Tranquillity Nation
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Posted - 2008.09.23 01:46:00 -
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It has come to my attention that many people I have known think I am a support of the Blood Raiders and the Sani Sabik, there for I am publicly and officially on recold wish to say.
I am not a Supporter of the Blood Raider or the Sani Sabik.
I have often and all ways spoke out against the belieath of the Sani Sabik as it is in many ways the opposite to who I am.
I have never taken an oath of loyalty to the Sani Sabik or the Blood Raiders.
I have never once Aided The Blood Raiders or Sani Sabik in any form of action be it fleet or political.
I have never Taken part in any blood ritual nor will I.
Yes I went to an event that was a tournament but left when people started to die.
I have had people I consider to be friends and even family accuse me of being a Blood Raider and being a Support of them which hurts deeply.
I am not a Blood Raider Nor am I support of them.
Yes I have been Polite and Respectful of those who are but I can not see or understand how that make me one of them? After all good maners are a good thing or so I all ways thought.
As for the event had to know and see for my self, after all how can you truly be against some thing if you do not know any thing about it!
I thank you for your time and conclued by saying once again I am not a Blood Raider nor do I support them.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.09.23 02:24:00 -
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You know 3ll3. I've known you for years now. You have been participating on some of my social parties, events, you have been frequenting my pubs and resorts since ages and we have called each other friends ever since.
Now, I wouldn't mind coming here if not by the fact that I think there is something that you deserve to read at this moment, a very precept of Sani Sabik faith that surprisely it could fit you well:
"Do what you think and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind."
You live your life with such fear of those around you and of the judgment of the people you call "friends". If they trully are your friends they will respect you as an individual able to choose who where and what to do of your life.
By this constant need you have to justify yourself, you just lose more and more your identity.
Take that quote to the heart. And learn to be a better man to yourself first before trying to be what others wants you to be.
It's all I will say to you about this.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.09.23 03:55:00 -
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Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 23/09/2008 04:01:31
It's not too surprising that you should find yourself having to justify your actions in this manner, 3ll3, though it is a little unfortunate in more than one way. On the one hand, I can quite see how you would desire to learn what validity Revan and her ilk find in their pursuit of their beliefs. On the other, I can quite understand how many would find your willingness to consort with such beings ... troubling.
The Sani Sabik are noted for the seductive and insidious nature of their beliefs, especially with respect to those who already possess power, which we, as capsuleers, do more or less by definition. It is therefore no surprise that your quest for answers would bring you under suspicion; the distinction between scholar and disciple can be a thin one indeed where the topic of research is appealing in this particular way.
On the other hand, it would seem to be the responsibility of the seeker to study his topic in detail. However, and here is the critical distinction, the study of a topic by an independent seeker such as yourself necessarily implies that the student considers the topic to be worthy of study. Can you blame your peers, then, if they are concerned over your chosen field of research?
To learn a truth, and to recognize it as such, is in some sense to embrace it, and the Sani Sabik possess a fragment of truth. Perhaps it has not proved so sharp as to pierce your heart, but if it had ... how are your friends and associates to know the difference? By trust? No-- if you were Sani Sabik, their trust would be a weakness to exploit, and you would naturally encourage it to their detriment.
Your saving grace, 3ll3, would seem to be that, from my admittedly limited observation, you'd make a lousy Sani Sabik. That, or you're destined to become some sect or other's next god of deception; you don't seem even a little bit the type and never have since the days when Darth Sage was seeking to use you as some sort of ingredient.
I find your prolonged fascination with this particular pack of fools inexplicable, but ... well, it's your journey to undertake, pilot.
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Kai Zion
The Zion Accounts
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Posted - 2008.09.23 04:13:00 -
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The Sani Sabik is a vast and varied "cult". Many interpretations of the Sani Sabik faith - or philosophy, as some like to view it - are benign in nature and very similar to many mainstream religions and philosophies that enjoy widespread acceptance across the cluster.
I find it frustrating when people say "I am not Sani Sabik" or "You'd make a lousy Sani Sabik" - do you people realise just how broad some definitions of the Sani are? It's degrees away from - in some people's eyes - claiming that you are not interested in improving yourself, or that someone else would be lousy at striving to be a better person.
Sadly, many confuse the Covenant with the Sani Sabik, just as many view people such as Revan or Darth Sage as the embodiment - or even more simply, a good representative - of what the Sani Sabik stands for. Those who hold these views do so erroneously. There are definitions of the Sani Sabik that are nowhere near as narrow as those espoused by these people. Just because they enjoy a higher profile doesn't mean their own take on the Sani Sabik is any more correct, at times it even means the exact opposite.
I think it is a valuable area to study and I encourage people not to cow to social pressure that is driven largely by ignorance. In studying that which is frequently misunderstood we can often reveal new ways of understanding it and even new ways of thought that would have otherwise lay undiscovered.
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3ll3
Gallente
Tranquillity Nation
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Posted - 2008.09.23 04:26:00 -
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I have investigated and learned from those who follow Doctor Sansha!
I have studied the Angel and gained then haltered for it!
I have spoken in depth to Pirates and Mercenaries to gain incite into their mindsets.
I have delved into Giste and seen how betrayed they have been by those they once called brother.
I have studied long and hard the cultures of Gallente, Caladi, Amarr and that which I have called home for so long The Matari, I have given my Loyalty to those I once worked sweat and laughed with and though they even now seem to think me a traitor and look upon me as though some how I have turned from them to some other power I have not.
I gave them and still give on o them my unquestioning trust.
When I give my trust it is with out question!
When I give my loyalty it is with out end!
I believe in the strong being here to nurture and protect the weak so they might them selves become strong but never forcing them to do so.
I believe in all things be equal and all men and women to be Brothers and Sisters.
That all life is sacred an morn the lives I have to take with great regret and sorrow I have never once betrayed or will do those who even now most probably spit at the mention of my name and though they turn from me I shall never turn from them.
Maybe I should have heeded that shamans words when he spoke them to me so long ago when first I came to Matari space and found where I belonged.
ôIgnorance is bliss, guard it well!ö
For all the Knowledge I have gained I have lost so much.
I feel as though I am suffocating trying to make every one happy try to keep the peace to try and keep my open mindedness of every thing so that I might see all angles and not just the one.
But I find my self wondering what itÆs all worth was I so wrong to seek knowledge from all areas such a mistake?
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.09.23 05:29:00 -
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Ah-- hello, Ms. Zion.
It's interesting to hear you describe certain Sani Sabik sects as "benign." I'll admit that I generally view the faith, diverse as it may be, as rather less than benevolent, but that has a great deal to do with the nature of its focus, I think, rather than on a simple assumption that all practitioners are murderous bloodletters.
It's the focus of the faith: power....
Tell me, Ms. Zion: how can a faith focused on such a concept ever be truly benign? Even if a single sect's teachings are focused on simple self-improvement, the only measure of power is relative: one only possesses it by comparison with others. The search for it is inherently competitive, which means that any sect placing limits on the scope of that competition is likely to produce offshoots following a more "pure," meaning unrestricted, pursuit of the same end.
In short, even reduced to a cult of self-improvement, the Sani Sabik would still serve as a seed for violence. The tragedy, it seems to me, is that the Sani Sabik has grasped a truth in its recognition of power's importance. It's not actually wrong so much as horribly limited: power is important, but it is not all and it is not even a prerequisite for either wisdom or a life well-lived.
It is a tool, nothing more, and the crown of "the one with the most tools" can only be held by a single being-- one, more likely than not, soaked in its brothers' blood. Conflict is thus made even more inevitable than it would usually be.
So tell me, how is it that my views are based in ignorance? This is not a rhetorical question, but a serious point of curiosity. If I have misunderstood, I wish to know how.
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Kai Zion
The Zion Accounts
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Posted - 2008.09.23 06:50:00 -
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Edited by: Kai Zion on 23/09/2008 06:53:07
Hey there Aria.
This is, by and large, not something I like to talk at length on in a place like this, for various reasons. I have found it is better to speak directly with people who wish to learn more, so that those with other ideas can't distract an audience who has long ago already heard what they have to say. Their voices in a place like this are far louder, far more persistent and far more organized than my own and so the message I bring to bear is often distorted, drowned out and cast aside.
That said...I suppose I can offer a few brief insights since you appear to show a genuine interest in understanding. If you are interested I'm happy to elaborate on them further at your own establishment sometime. Jude invited me there the other day so I can make my way back easily enough.
Please also keep in mind that my view is in no way definitive, nor fully formed. I'm endlessly learning and refining my understanding of things and I speak only for myself and from my own experiences.
To many people, the focus is not one singular thing. To others, the focus may very well rest on one thing alone, but something itself so nebulous that really it incorporates many other foci, thus rendering any claim that there is ôonly oneö almost meaningless. Yes, there are many who will tell you that the only focus, indeed, the only correct focus, of the Sani Sabik mindset û or faith û is power, and indeed a certain kind of power.
"Power" though, it has so many definitions and understandings itself, as I'm sure you can appreciate. Putting aside other possible focal points, I can elaborate on this concept of ôpowerö briefly and highlight just a few differing definitions.
Suppose one views power in terms of self-empowerment, which itself could be defined many ways and entail many û often benign û pursuits. If someone views self-empowerment in terms of improving oneself, of cultivating an inner strength, then they may undertake such tasks as seeking knowledge and building a deeper understanding of the universe around them.
Perhaps it is even simpler than that for some; they may only seek good health and happiness. These pursuits and many, many others build upon an individualÆs strength in a way. There are those who view the Sani Sabik not as a religion, but as a philosophy, a mindset, and they often have views somewhere along these lines.
Take that singer Midna Lyrae for example. To her, the Sani Sabik was a way to leave a life of Boosters and self-indulgence behind, a way to become a stronger, more ôpowerfulö person. I donÆt agree with her every word, nor am I particularly fond of the blood rituals she saw fit to perform, but I am nonetheless happy for her, and glad that for once the media saw fit to focus on something other than the Covenant and other similar entities when discussing the Sani Sabik.
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Kai Zion
The Zion Accounts
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Posted - 2008.09.23 06:50:00 -
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Perhaps you can see from just that brief outline, why I would disagree that any search for power is inherently competitive, or at least externally so. When the search is inwardly-focused, when it is about improving oneself, the conflict and competition is internalised. If the conflict is one person fighting against their lesser qualities in the hope of arriving at some destination whereupon they have become a better person, then the conflict can often be constructive and beneficial. Healthier, more aware, more tolerant, imbued with a deeper understanding of things...these are just some aspirations and avenues and there are almost as many paths as there are practitioners.
Which brings me to my next point. It is better - in my mind - to view the Sani Sabik as a philosophy, or perhaps if one is so inclined, as something more akin to a spiritual belief. This lies somewhat in opposition to viewing it as a faith, as a religion - something far more organised and institutionalised wherein there lies little room for deviation from the accepted interpretations and tenets.
This is certainly considered to be the mainstream view, and understandably so of course, since well organized institutions will naturally possess a better ability to proselytize and advance its beliefs than someone who has neither the means no desire to. I have met a great many people who claim to "be" Sani Sabik in one way or another and who are quite content to keep their philosophies to themselves. I myself fit that profile, at least some of the time.
That in turn brings me to the final point I will make. For many, too, the Sani Sabik is just one undercurrent to their personality. It is just a part of them, not their defining characteristic. Take me for example. I am a Khanid, a student of the Sani Sabik, a capsuleer and many other things. None of those characteristics are the sum of who I am though. I view myself as ôKai Zionö, first and foremost, and this is often a mindset shared by many whose beliefs and interest intersect with that of the Sani Sabik.
Perhaps when framed in this way, you can appreciate how people would not be ruled by these ôbeliefsö û that they would not necessarily be driven to violence and oppression. It is entirely possible to be both a compassionate human being contributing positively to society and someone who finds ideas of value in the Sani Sabik. There are of course, many for whom the Sani Sabik is the central part of their life, and so it supersedes anything else they may be. Not all are like that, however. Indeed, a great many are not.
There is more I could say, more I would like to. I am not entirely happy with what little I have just outlined, even, but I suppose it will have to do.
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.09.23 07:46:00 -
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Pilot 3ll3,
The more you go in search of an answer, the less you will understand. I do however not agree with the statement that ignorance is bliss. Understanding the self is important to see the road ahead.
However I believe that you already know the answer to your question. But your judgement is clouded by what others expect of you. Sit down, meditate, and the answer will become clear.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.09.23 12:34:00 -
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 Originally by: 3ll3
I feel as though I am suffocating trying to make every one happy
This what you seek is per se an impossible quest. The nature of humans are diverse, we have different concepts about what is right and wrong and what does it takes to make one happy and other miserable. Never heard the expression: " the medicine of one is the poison of another?"
That's the truth of it.
By trying to make everyone happy you will only find people disregarding you more. No one will ever know if they can trust you. That's the only legacy you will leave behind with this attitude.
Regarding the Sani Sabik, this subject has been debated so many times here at galnet and official news, that it always surprises me to see people commiting the same old mistakes as people calling Sani Sabik as a sect: It is not. Sani Sabik is an Ideology embraced by many sects.
Sani Sabik sects of diverse nature follows the precepts writen at the holy apocrypha, each sect having possession of their own specific chapters and with their own interpretation. The Apocrypha per se, is said to be parts of the scriptures that were removed from it by the amarr clerigy as they were considered too "dangerous" to the political Amarr system. Therefore the nomination of Heresy.
Blood raiders is one of the sects only. Nothing more.
No capsuleer at the moment holds the Title of official spoken person for the Sani Sabik ideology. Most we can do is to represent our own sect.
As official communications from leaders as Omir Sarikusa ( may hell guard him well ) or Cephas Tane etc has been more than rare lately, capsullers representing their own sect has been very vocal and willing to explain the precepts that they embrace. But that is as far as it goes.
This thread, as many others continues to prove me right at one aspect: Most people that hail against Sani Sabik Ideology do more for ignorance then knowledge of what it is and what it comprises.
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.23 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: 3ll3
I feel as though I am suffocating trying to make every one happy
We haven't really spoken and you probably don't even know me, but this quote drew my full attention. I'd like to quote a former Federation Navy officer who's command I served and trained under, when I asked him for advice off duty :
"Figuring things out for yourself is the only real freedom anyone ever has. Use that freedom, make your own descision."
I've never been one to let popular opinion, other's beliefs, or what is right, wrong, legal or illegal affect my own life or descision making.
I've always been a firm believer that I should live life to the fullest. Eat every meal like it's my last, savour every glass I drink from like I've spent the last ten years crossing a desert, and love my beautiful adoring woman like the rare, truly unique and flawless angel she is.
You should never let people's view of the things you do hold you back.
Live. Do that which you wish to do. Spend time with whomever you choose to love, and leave the will to make everyone happy. It's a truly impossible task.
If my father was alive and knew I share a bed with a Caldari, he'd disown me. Not that I care, he was an ******* anyway.
If my mother was still with us and knew the same, she'd never speak to me again.
Some call me a monster. Some call me a bastard, others a heathen, a savage, a murderer, a terrorist or a psychopath. The truth is I'm no different to any other capsuleer.
Popular opinion means nothing. The only thing that matters and keeps business flowing is that people know that I hold my word, and the consequences of their actions when they do not extend me the same courtesy.
Like I said, I don't know you and don't presume to, but I do know you're chasing an impossible objective.
Let it go and live for your own hapiness and enjoyment. You'll feel like a trillion kredits in no time.
I know I do.
Ethan smiles slightly, almost amused as his feed cuts to static...
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.09.23 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 23/09/2008 19:28:54
Ethan Verone makes a lot of sense, here.
Stop trying to make everyone happy.
Start growing a backbone.
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Nuran Mukadder
Amarr
Athra Legio Triarii
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Posted - 2008.09.23 20:03:00 -
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As Nuran starts to formulate a reply, the GalNet screen scrolls. After reading some of the following posts, she quietly deletes her own half-done reply, and starts another.
Originally by: Verone
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Let it go and live for your own hapiness and enjoyment. You'll feel like a trillion kredits in no time.
I know I do.
Ethan smiles slightly, almost amused as his feed cuts to static...
She then allows a quiet smile.
A gallant and yet sincere answer, captain. Thanks for sharing your mind.
3ll3, there's a measure of truth in his words, namely - be true to yourself.
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Natalcya Katla
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.09.24 02:01:00 -
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Captain 3ll3,
In contrast to many of the other contributors to this thread, I believe that trying to make everybody happy is a commendable goal.
Where you seem to go wrong is in your apparent belief that you can get closer to this goal by merely modifying your own perceptions and behavior.
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BloodBird
Gallente
Tactical Freedom Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.24 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Natalcya Katla
Captain 3ll3,
In contrast to many of the other contributors to this thread, I believe that trying to make everybody happy is a commendable goal.
Where you seem to go wrong is in your apparent belief that you can get closer to this goal by merely modifying your own perceptions and behavior.
You know, his wish to make everyone happy is in truth a noble goal, but for realistic reasons also an impossibly foolish one, I'm afraid. There simply is no way to make everyone happy, and anyone that thinks over the reasons for this will know, I just hope that Mr. 3ll3 do so sooner rather than later.
You however, Miss. Katla, start to annoy me, you know that? The man has trouble with friends, even family and acquaintances assuming he is a Blood raider or Sani Sabik supporter when clearly he does not wish to be labeled as such. He makes a public statement to explain and clear up the matter. We are given more insight into his thinking and ideals, and offer him advice based on said information.
And what do you do? You stroll in here, carrying a load of hubris, and declare that he's merely doing it wrong. Of course, you know the right way.
Let me guess, installing the happy chips into everyone will alter their moods to be happy all the time? I assume that's what you had in mind with "modifying perception and behavior"?
The problem is just that turning every single human being into a cyborg to give them all the illusion that they are truly happy, is not just plain wrong, it's a despicable thing to do. They are not really happy, they merely have a chip in their heads that make them think they are, and force a goofy smile on their faces for effect.
Needless to say, I do not approve one bit on your disgusting little master-plan.
As for the OP, Mr. 3ll3, I'd offer you advice but basically Mr. Verone said what I wanted to say already and to echo his words would just be silly at this point. I do not agree with some of his ideals but I can tell you this.
Only the ones that are happy themselves, can offer from that happiness to others. Find out what makes you happy and content, then once you have that, tend to the ones around you, if you wish.
Now, unless something more shows up or I'm replied to I think I'll leave this discussion be, for now.
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Natalcya Katla
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.09.24 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: BloodBird
You however, Miss. Katla, start to annoy me, you know that?
Such a pity. Sounds like you need to be happier, too.
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BloodBird
Gallente
Tactical Freedom Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.24 12:07:00 -
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Heh, good responce.
Tell me something miss, do you have a happy chip in your head?
*I* am however, quite happy in my current place and situation, thanks anyways.
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Bast's Cleric
Amarr
24th Imperial Reserves
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Posted - 2008.09.24 12:25:00 -
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Clears her throat as she turns her feed on, the view of her cabin showing a few Religious items, and the furnishings being surprisingly sparse given her family name
3ll3 please try to remember that there is Only one True God, and while some may fall from grace and follow teachings that have been twisted and altered over the years, even they are not beyond redemption. Should you feel the need to find the one true faith find your local member of the clergy and they shall guide you to the correct path.
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Natalcya Katla
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.09.24 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: BloodBird
Heh, good responce.
Tell me something miss, do you have a happy chip in your head?
No, I don't.
I do, however, have a biological - as opposed to cybernetic - multiglandular cerebral upgrade, which allows me to consciously control my own hormonal production. Amongst other things this allows me to produce just about any given emotion on demand, and pick the one best suited to any given situation.
My emotional state is no longer the hostage of external circumstances and the whims of nature, but firmly shackled to my conscious mind, which is both practical and liberating. The only time I am not in complete conscious command of my own mental faculties is when I sleep, and that problem, too, is due to be resolved soon.
Although I still let myself experience negative emotions regularly (for the sake of overall mental health), I schedule my emotional state in as practical a way as possible. Usually I keep my negative moments strictly private.
I recommend the procedure.
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BloodBird
Gallente
Tactical Freedom Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.24 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Natalcya Katla
I recommend the procedure.
I don't. you see, while I may not have any aid to control my emotions, like you do, I do practice restraint in most cases. At times I fail in this regard and it reflects poorly on myself, like that time i exploded in Ixiri's face... I regret that one, believe me... but always I try my best to maintain emotional discipline of myself, and in most cases I can confess that it is working.
You see, emotional control is all about disciplining the self, focusing one's mind to contain the random factor in emotions and external influence. Meditating to calm the mind helps too, especially if one is, say, distressed over something.
While I do feel emotion, and those do change with situations, the key lies in controlling how much of those emotions shows in, or affect, the person. For instance, often I face situations that would possibly enrage me, but manage to contain it to be a minor annoyance, thus helping me to remain calm so that I can better deal with the problem(s) in a logical and effective manner. Especially helpful in battle, an as a mercenary I do see allot of those.
As for your biological implant, I honestly do not approve. you have forsaken another factor of your humanity by shedding the natural work of your emotions. feeling emotions on demand? No thank you. Nor would I want to have a happy chip, to feel a sense of bliss at any given time.
I will leave this matter alone for now, I don't want to further de-rail this topic, as it was not really about how the two of us view emotions and their use etc, but about Mr. 3ll3 and his accusations of being a blood raider sympathizer and such.
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Kimochi Rendar
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.09.24 15:10:00 -
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Pilot 3ll3...
I offer this advice... Seeking to keep everyone happy in a world such as ours is a noble, yet ultimately impossible task. Better to live for yourself, do what you feel would make you happiest rather than constantly seeking the approval of others.
You appear to be viewing the world through rose-tinted glasses and while your nievetT may be seen as cute by some, it will be exploited by others who don't share your world view, probably at the expense of the people you care about.
Pick a side, pilot. Sitting on the fence will only make your life and that of everyone you know and love miserable. Nobody will think any less of you if you decide to side with the Matari or the Sani Sabik... Well, I won't think any less of you. On the contrary, it takes considerable courage to make such a decision. But ultimately it's a decision you have to make for your own reasons.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.09.25 05:59:00 -
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Ms. Zion:
So-- Sani Sabik as a "cult" of self-improvement. You make it sound very much like my own monkish training-- but if that is so, the need for caution is at least as great. Internal seeking will generally have external effects, and self-realization can easily occur at the expense of others in a manner that causes harm both to competitors and to the society as a whole.
Still, perhaps we should discuss this elsewhere; our discussion is a tangent from Mr. 3ll3's difficulties. As you have suggested, I would be happy to discuss this privately.
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Eran Mintor
17th Minmatar Tactical Wing
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Posted - 2008.09.25 07:10:00 -
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Edited by: Eran Mintor on 25/09/2008 07:17:48
Originally by: Kimochi Rendar
Pick a side, pilot. Sitting on the fence will only make your life and that of everyone you know and love miserable. Nobody will think any less of you if you decide to side with the Matari or the Sani Sabik...
Why can't he be both a Minmatar loyalist and follower of the Sani Sabik? After reading Ms. Zion's brief summary, I can see no reason why a non-extremist Blood wouldn't be able to contribue to the Minmatar cause. Perhaps I understood wrong, but if the reasons for turning an old friend away is because of their beliefs, then what friend are you?
I would think the Matari, of all people, could accept the differences of cultures and learn from them.
And before one labels me as a Blood sympathizer as well, I will let you know that I am a follower of Allah, and no other.
Edit: This was not aimed at you, Miss Rendar, I was only quoting what you said that promted my response.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.09.26 11:50:00 -
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There are indeed known cases of non-extremist Sani Sabik followers flying with Minmatar loyalists.
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