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Knobbing Everyone
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Posted - 2008.09.22 07:48:00 -
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I have a medium research POS in a quiet 0.5 system. It doesn't bother anyone, and I have 2 toons in the corp. I get back from a weekend away with the significant other and discover I have been wardec'd, by a 4 man corp.
Two choices: 1 - Take down pos (I suspect they want the moon)
2 - Put up some defences
Decided that I have enough isk to lose the tower (bpo's are in station with scientific networking trained), and I want to see if they come for it. Considdering I'll be facing Bs's at max, I went with 6 blaster batteries, 6 cruise batteries, 2 scram batteries. I don't have any pg left to fit the two medium arty batteries I have left. While I have some faction nuet batteries, the medium tower can't have them online with enough pg either
This should be enough to annoy them for a while? Oh and whats the high-sec rules regarding repping a reinforced tower should they manage to get that far. Can I use any of my other accounts (not in that corp)?
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Halvus
Minmatar Wolfington Industries Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.09.22 07:59:00 -
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Edited by: Halvus on 22/09/2008 08:00:23 Your setup looks OK for 4 BS targets. However, my experience is that a POS won't kill much unless it is manned by a POS gunner. That's because the POS will cycle targets, so the attackers can warp away when the scrams aren't on them.
Don't forget to put stront in the tower. The best strategy is to be at the POS during the attack and adjust the stront level before the tower goes into reinforced. Try to leave either 12 hours or 36 hours of stront. This will give the best chance of the tower coming out of reinforced while they're asleep.
As for repping the tower with nuet characters, I believe this will flag you as a war-target, but I haven't tried it myself so perhaps someone else could comment.
Good luck.
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Satrani Destiva
Caldari Just Another Indy Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.22 08:01:00 -
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Edited by: Satrani Destiva on 22/09/2008 08:03:21 It will take 4 guys in BS a loooooooooong time to do any significant damage to your pos even without defences. Anchor and online some guns and a couple of ewar mods (warp scram battery/web battery) and you'll be fine.
Edit: Should have read your full post before posting a reply
I believe using a neutral to rep a wardecced tower is considered an exploit. -
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Knobbing Everyone
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Posted - 2008.09.22 08:10:00 -
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The tower has stront, so that should be ok. While my research account does not have pos gunnery skills, a friend with the ability to use 4 guns volunteered to join should they attack it the first time and manage to put it in to reinforced. His gunner is already in a noobcorp, so hopefully this should be some fun times.
I still don't get why they would dec' a small corp, but as they say "Lets play!"
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Laveaolous
Amarr 20th Legion Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.22 08:29:00 -
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As to why they're picking on you.
a)they want the moon,
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b)are one of the may high sec griefer corps that found an easy target to try and extort ISK from. They will want to put it in reinforced then send a pay up or we will pop it mail to you.
My high sec industry alt had b happen to him. These days my towers look like deathstars and are medium sized at least, Thanks to Fitz for his thread on POS defences :)
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Knobbing Everyone
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Posted - 2008.09.22 08:36:00 -
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Thanks for all the replies. My pos warfare experience is limited to 0.0 and large towers where I can mount 4 large nuets, some large Arty / Rails and make dreads cry. I'm not quite up to scratch on how to defend against just Battleship sized attacks. Are sensor damp batteries worth it at all?
I do want to see the reaction when they scout the tower again later and see some guns / scrams etc all online
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Braaage
eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.22 08:57:00 -
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4 man corp against a POS.... LOL --
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.09.22 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Braaage 4 man corp against a POS.... LOL
A common tactic would be to have more people join after the war went active, if taking down a POS, surprise is key.
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Dexter Tripod
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Posted - 2008.09.22 12:41:00 -
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This is a .5 system right? You can't moon mine in high sec so they aren't doing it for the moon...
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Slayton Ford
STK Scientific N.A.S.A
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Posted - 2008.09.22 14:47:00 -
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I'd put some ECM on it. Against a few RR BS's, that would really hose them. Are you using Warp Scram or Warp Disrupters? If Disrupters, just use one. --------------- This sig has been censored in fear of recieving the ban hammer... |
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Knobbing Everyone
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Posted - 2008.09.23 05:35:00 -
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I have one scram and one disruption battery on the pos. Mounted another four cruise batteries, and two sensor damp batteries.
As to why they would want the moon, if they own two research POS's in the system, and there are no other moons available, then its obviously beneficial to remove the occupants from one of the remaining moons. That would be my obvious guess, but I could be wrong.
I'm also keeping a tab on the opposing corp's size, and it's still only 4 members. With all the effort to fortify the silly thing, I'm now hoping in a sick sadistic way they do shoot at it
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Lubomir Penev
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Posted - 2008.09.23 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Knobbing Everyone I have a medium research POS in a quiet 0.5 system. It doesn't bother anyone, and I have 2 toons in the corp. I get back from a weekend away with the significant other and discover I have been wardec'd, by a 4 man corp.
Two choices: 1 - Take down pos (I suspect they want the moon)
No one wants a highsec moon. There are plenty available and for all purpose they are all the same since you can't mine them. So it's not the reason. -- I'm done whining about AFs, it looks like they are making them right \o/ |
CEO Material
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Posted - 2008.09.23 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: CEO Material on 23/09/2008 13:29:34
What they are really after is your advanced labs. They want to pop your tower and scoop up those 90 million isk labs. Quite a few people are doing this for extra isk these days.
If you want to get rid of the war dec, just take down the advanced labs and put up regular labs and some guns.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.09.23 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lubomir Penev
Originally by: Knobbing Everyone I have a medium research POS in a quiet 0.5 system. It doesn't bother anyone, and I have 2 toons in the corp. I get back from a weekend away with the significant other and discover I have been wardec'd, by a 4 man corp.
Two choices: 1 - Take down pos (I suspect they want the moon)
No one wants a highsec moon. There are plenty available and for all purpose they are all the same since you can't mine them. So it's not the reason.
There are 0.5 systems in certain areas that are full, even if there are plenty of moons available total, some areas do get contested, even in highsec.
Quote: What they are really after is your advanced labs. They want to pop your tower and scoop up those 90 million isk labs. Quite a few people are doing this for extra isk these days.
If you want to get rid of the war dec, just take down the advanced labs and put up regular labs and some guns.
Advanced labs are 150m, mobile labs are 90m.
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Lubomir Penev
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Posted - 2008.09.23 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Knobbing Everyone Thanks for all the replies. My pos warfare experience is limited to 0.0 and large towers where I can mount 4 large nuets, some large Arty / Rails and make dreads cry. I'm not quite up to scratch on how to defend against just Battleship sized attacks. Are sensor damp batteries worth it at all?
Sensor damps are worth it when your close range defense are so good that the only way to down the tower is to soften it with snipers first. Given you crap defenses they will just land at blaster optimal close to your torp batteries, incapacitate them then turn to the tower proper.
Your damps will merely slow down their lock time. -- I'm done whining about AFs, it looks like they are making them right \o/ |
Newbear
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Posted - 2008.09.25 08:14:00 -
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Meh, someone remind me how many shield hps a medium tower has. I think regen is higher then the 4k dps from 4x t2 torp ravens. Throw up some shield hardening arrays and do the math for me ) Click here for my High Security POS Service
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Lubomir Penev
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Posted - 2008.09.25 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Newbear Meh, someone remind me how many shield hps a medium tower has. I think regen is higher then the 4k dps from 4x t2 torp ravens. Throw up some shield hardening arrays and do the math for me )
The "tank" of a tower is actually complete crap.
Take a large Amarr tower :
40,000,000 hp regenerating in 200,000 seconds means 200hp/s average recharge, a peak under 500hp/s. Unhardened you can theoretically solo it in a gank Harbinger.
Basically with 5000 dps (ten crap BS) you reinforce it in way under 3 hours. -- I'm done whining about AFs, it looks like they are making them right \o/ |
Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.09.25 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lubomir Penev Take a large Amarr tower :
40,000,000 hp regenerating in 200,000 seconds means 200hp/s average recharge, a peak under 500hp/s. Unhardened you can theoretically solo it in a gank Harbinger.
Basically with 5000 dps (ten crap BS) you reinforce it in way under 3 hours.
Amarr towers have the least shield. Also peak recharge is 2.4x the average, it's peaks about 39% I think, slower when nearly fully charged and much slower when nearly depleted. Same as for capacitors. Keep in mind it then has resists too.
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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2008.09.25 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Fitz
Amarr towers have the least shield. Also peak recharge is 2.4x the average, it's peaks about 39% I think, slower when nearly fully charged and much slower when nearly depleted. Same as for capacitors. Keep in mind it then has resists too.
Your typical 5 hardeners large POS got about a peak 1000 dps omnitank (but starts to have LOTS of ehp). POS tank is insignificant for all purpose but repelling a one man corp... If you can gather two gank BS you can down the POS given time, from a tank beating point of view.
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Kiki Arnolds
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.26 04:49:00 -
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Plan A: Remove labs All the hardeners it can fit Any spare PG drop some misc guns
Plan B: Remove labs 1-2 Scrams 1 Web Rest of the PG with 80% med beam, 20% med pulse Then anchor but don't online 2x the online modules, every time they incapacitate something, start online a replacement, even if they are killing more than 1 every 5 minutes, it will **** them off to no end, and over the course of time it takes them to reinforce a medium tower you can online ALOT of guns... ç¦ |
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Slider VonMueler
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Posted - 2008.09.26 14:14:00 -
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I'm confused, last I knew concord attacked people attacking Hi-Security Labs (Even with a war dec). The best defense was no guns and let concord take care of it. (Maybe a bug they have fixed in the last two years?)
My source info- Shameless Avengers Empire High-Sec POS FAQ http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/shameless/Empire_High-Sec_POS_FAQ_V1-2.pdf
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Xonox Galatorg
Gallente Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.09.26 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Slider VonMueler I'm confused, last I knew concord attacked people attacking Hi-Security Labs (Even with a war dec). The best defense was no guns and let concord take care of it. (Maybe a bug they have fixed in the last two years?)
My source info- Shameless Avengers Empire High-Sec POS FAQ http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/shameless/Empire_High-Sec_POS_FAQ_V1-2.pdf
A highsec POS can be attacked by someone you have been war dec'd by and Concord won't interfere. -Xonox Pulsar Combat Supplies, Director of Production and POS |
Slider VonMueler
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Posted - 2008.09.26 14:58:00 -
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What patch changed that?
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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2008.09.26 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Slider VonMueler
What patch changed that? I've done a search on "concord" so far all the way back through patch notes back to build 36191 (sometime last year) There is no reference to this change. Guide was last updated Jan 2007 BTW.
Wasn't the bug of not being able to attack wardecced POS actually shortlived?
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Slider VonMueler
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Posted - 2008.09.26 16:48:00 -
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Lol..well the manual had at least two prior revs. version 1.02 so I doubt it was short term depending on your definition of shorterm (or the infamous "soon"):)
Ya gotta love this game, it ain't for those wanting instant gratification...no manual..no info..constantly changing crap without documentation..lol Everyone says "read the forum" yet nobody in the forum "really" knows:)
Someone want to actually put up the results of High-Security POS assault? Otherwise I guess I gotta test:)
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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2008.09.26 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Slider VonMueler
Someone want to actually put up the results of High-Security POS assault? Otherwise I guess I gotta test:)
Never tried to pop one before 2008, but it for sure worked all of 2008.
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Slider VonMueler
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Posted - 2008.09.26 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Slider VonMueler on 26/09/2008 19:42:26
Originally by: Caius Sivaris
Originally by: Slider VonMueler
Someone want to actually put up the results of High-Security POS assault? Otherwise I guess I gotta test:)
Never tried to pop one before 2008, but it for sure worked all of 2008.
So you have actually "personally" destroyed at least one in Hi-Security space without concord intervation in 2008? How for "sure" you know it worked, what was used to do it..ect.
I'm not trying to be difficult, just thorough:) One line "it's possible" in these forums means nothing:) The problem here is conflicting info (CCP moderator linked guides) and no official source of "valid" info besides, ya my buddy told me,...ect (which is normally 50% wrong).
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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2008.09.26 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Slider VonMueler Edited by: Slider VonMueler on 26/09/2008 19:42:26
Originally by: Caius Sivaris
Originally by: Slider VonMueler
Someone want to actually put up the results of High-Security POS assault? Otherwise I guess I gotta test:)
Never tried to pop one before 2008, but it for sure worked all of 2008.
So you have actually "personally" destroyed at least one in Hi-Security space without concord intervation in 2008? How for "sure" you know it worked, what was used to do it..ect.
I'm not trying to be difficult, just thorough:) One line "it's possible" in these forums means nothing:) The problem here is conflicting info (CCP moderator linked guides) and no official source of "valid" info besides, ya my buddy told me,...ect (which is normally 50% wrong).
Many highsec POS (not on that char)
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Slider VonMueler
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Posted - 2008.09.27 04:37:00 -
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Lol..well I would have loved more details Like how you typically take one down, numbers, Ships, best defense you have run up against, but thanks anyway:)
Your the first person here to admit/take credit to actually taking one down in Hi-Security. I've never done it so I'm just guessing, but it seems to be a ton of trouble for no value. A couple BS losses would far outweigh any gain.
Just curious, why, what motive? Hi-Security POS hold no particular war value, they can't produce anything but research. As soon as war breaks out you should just pull them up, or at least pull up the labs. Attacking Hi-Sec POS just seems yet another tool for griefers to manipulate the non waring folk..lol.
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Kiki Arnolds
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.27 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Slider VonMueler Lol..well I would have loved more details Like how you typically take one down, numbers, Ships, best defense you have run up against, but thanks anyway:)
Your the first person here to admit/take credit to actually taking one down in Hi-Security. I've never done it so I'm just guessing, but it seems to be a ton of trouble for no value. A couple BS losses would far outweigh any gain.
Just curious, why, what motive? Hi-Security POS hold no particular war value, they can't produce anything but research. As soon as war breaks out you should just pull them up, or at least pull up the labs. Attacking Hi-Sec POS just seems yet another tool for griefers to manipulate the non waring folk..lol.
There are three reasons, you think they will leave valuable modules up long enough for you to attack, someone has a grudge, or its part of some ransom scheme...
As for the fighting, most highsec POSes are pitifully armed. I've only been on one highsec takedown, undefended medium, we didn't bring enough people, took forever. Assuming your not using dreads, you take out the defenses then start grinding on the tower. A small will pose no threat to even a small spider battleship gang. A medium could pack enough firepower to threaten a battleship, but again, most highsec POSes are either undefended, or defended very poorly.
As for a large, if it is configured as a shredder death star... The last POS defense thread I participated it people claimed it would be possible to take one down... I remain very skeptical... Regardless, the amount of carnage it would reek before it went down would be quite the show... You throw in a defense fleet even a small fraction the size of the attackers and it's game over. ç¦ |
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