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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.09.24 09:00:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 24/09/2008 09:05:33
 Originally by: Stitcher
This attack took place in High Sec, meaning that if anyone had tried to fight the goons in an attempt to keep them from destroying it, then the DED would have shown up and obliterated them.
Indeed, [url=http://azia.geekandproud.co.uk/docs/eve_cem.php]The Cemetary[/url] is in [url=http://eve-online.itemdrop.net/eve_db/universe/khanid/amdimmah/molea/]Molea[/url] which is a 0.7 system, and Concord does not allow spontaneous fighting there.
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Grindewald
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.24 11:17:00 -
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Edited by: Grindewald on 24/09/2008 11:17:04
Originally by: Jay Marshall
Goonswarm stated that the reason for their war-dec was because the EVE Cemetery was causing problems for local navigation. Considering its location in a high-sec system without any Empire stations and only a few belts for miners to visit, one cannot help but wonder what navigation problems Goonswarm was thinking of.
This is not a lie. Our scientists discovered that the Cemetery POS created a rift in the space-time continuum that interfeared with our local navigation. Thus we had to destroy it.
When we had destroyed the POS our navigation returned to normal and we were able to rob all the graves at the said POS for riches and infamous dead pilots.
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AltBier
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
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Posted - 2008.09.24 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: sg3s
Should I point out that we too, had to first wait 24 hours before we could launch our initial attack?
Azia, or her alt in the cemetery corp, would have gotten a message about the coming war as well, so she could have alarmed people and at this time people could have still wardecced us. Think about it, at this point you would be fairly sure or where we would be right after the wardec kicked in and after the POS reinforcement ended.
Then another fact is the 20 hours of reinforcement.... Too short for a new wardec, now I don't know how much stront a small tower can have but surely enough for 24+ hours right?...
A lot of mistakes were made here, but not by goonswarm.
I am just a part-time pilot and not familiar with corp leadership at all; how long would it take a typical hi-sec corp to contact its members, agree an attack, and formally declare war on GoonSwarm? To this we would need to add the time it took for the cemetery owner to inform the concerned parties in the first place.
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Che Biko
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2008.09.24 14:49:00 -
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Are they seriously saying that we should put military defenses and run a military style organisation at all graveyards and monuments? Just to prevent a bunch of overpowered vandals and graverobbers from doing their thing?
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BloodBird
Gallente
Tactical Freedom Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.24 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Che Biko
Are they seriously saying that we should put military defenses and run a military style organisation at all graveyards and monuments? Just to prevent a bunch of overpowered vandals and graverobbers from doing their thing?
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Apparantly, yes. Again the Goons show they resepct nothing, not even the dead.
The corpses may be a pile of biomass, but the material don't matter, it's the very idea that someone actually bothered to make one for the good of the community that matters. this is the thing the goons came to trash; a small token for those who might actually care.
Just like the jihad-swarm offencive against random industrialists, it seems the swarm is about to intentionally ruin everone's day. Sadly for those that cared for this place (I did not even know it existed, to be quite honest) it was a simple, easy matter for them to do so, at least this time. Anyone else who have monuments like these out might want to keep vigilant. Or at the very least inform the cluster as fast as they are able if they get war-decked.
It still is a shame. I have a few corpses of former comrades in storage that I could have wanted to place out there, seems to late now.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.09.24 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 24/09/2008 17:53:25
Quote:
I am just a part-time pilot and not familiar with corp leadership at all; how long would it take a typical hi-sec corp to contact its members, agree an attack, and formally declare war on GoonSwarm? To this we would need to add the time it took for the cemetery owner to inform the concerned parties in the first place.
Many people care in a general sense, but in practice they do not care enough to actively get involved.
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Talitana
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.24 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: BloodBird
Apparantly, yes. Again the Goons show they resepct nothing, not even the dead.
Haha MOAR MOAR MOAR MOAR
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MikhailBakunin
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.25 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: MikhailBakunin on 25/09/2008 12:54:43
Originally by: AltBier
I am just a part-time pilot and not familiar with corp leadership at all; how long would it take a typical hi-sec corp to contact its members, agree an attack, and formally declare war on GoonSwarm? To this we would need to add the time it took for the cemetery owner to inform the concerned parties in the first place.
You'd have to give us a good reason to bother coming out of lowsec for you...unless you wanna come all the way over to our space :)
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AltBier
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.09.25 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: MikhailBakunin
You'd have to give us a good reason to bother coming out of lowsec for you...unless you wanna come all the way over to our space :)
This is a strange response ... in any case fighting you now would not serve any purpose for the cemetary.
In fact, as I had already decided to leave the militia, I am now returning to my home planet to pursue my other duties.
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Karmella Apples
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Posted - 2008.09.26 15:10:00 -
[40]
Move it to Delve, they cant get you there.
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BloodBird
Gallente
Tactical Freedom Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.26 18:51:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Karmella Apples
Move it to Delve, they cant get you there.
Bad move. The goons could still get to it, if they really wanted. BoB is not omnipotent, despite what you might think.
And if you moved it to Delve, nobody but BoB and their lackey would have easy access to it, that kind of removes the cemetery’s purpose, don't you think?
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Aero089
Exiled.
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.09.27 00:02:00 -
[42]
Originally by: MikhailBakunin
Edited by: MikhailBakunin on 23/09/2008 04:02:14
Calling us terrorists is one thing, but no one stepped up to the plate to defend what your hold dear and call hallowed ground when you all had early warning of what was coming.
In this place of New Eden, out of the thousands who reside here, only two arrived to defend your sacred place. They were quickly and respectfuly returned to the gods from whence they came.
If this place really meant something, you would have come to defend it. Alas you did not.
Ohhhh **** OFF, eve doesn't work that way and you well know it. An organized strike against a one-man corp can in no way be thwarted.
Sad act in my humblest of opinions.
Then again, you all probably look like this guy. Bitter about life much?
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Stahlregen
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.27 01:58:00 -
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Edited by: Stahlregen on 27/09/2008 01:57:57
Originally by: Aero089
Originally by: MikhailBakunin
Edited by: MikhailBakunin on 23/09/2008 04:02:14
Calling us terrorists is one thing, but no one stepped up to the plate to defend what your hold dear and call hallowed ground when you all had early warning of what was coming.
In this place of New Eden, out of the thousands who reside here, only two arrived to defend your sacred place. They were quickly and respectfuly returned to the gods from whence they came.
If this place really meant something, you would have come to defend it. Alas you did not.
Ohhhh **** OFF, eve doesn't work that way and you well know it. An organized strike against a one-man corp can in no way be thwarted.
Sad act in my humblest of opinions.
Then again, you all probably look like this guy. Bitter about life much?
woah, talk about blast from the past.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Evil Bastards
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Posted - 2008.09.27 11:09:00 -
[44]
"To survive through the future, we must become detached from the past."
Why should capsuleers react with such indignation in response to the destruction of frozen corpses, in numbers which pale in the face of the casualties they themselves are responsible for on a daily basis. Truly this is baseless self-righteousness, hypocrisy, hrrr.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Evil Bastards
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Posted - 2008.09.27 11:11:00 -
[45]
An afterthought:
Mr Marshall, you mentioned that the cemetery was under 'unwarranted' attack. As this implies the existence of an opposite, this almost begs the question: What constitutes a warranted attack on a cemetery?
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Jay Marshall
Caldari
Walks Forever Trade Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.27 17:23:00 -
[46]
A warranted attack would have been if the EVE Cemetery had insulted or slighted in some way Goonswarm, like attacking thier ships for no reason, but the EVE Cemetery didnÆt start any hostilities, if anything, the owners went out of their way to be polite towards everyone that they dealt with, including those of Goonswarm.
Thus, the attack on the EVE Cemetery was just a defilement of the dead, and therefore an unwarranted attack. There was no reason for it, other than GoonswarmÆs own illogical thinking processes, which after a long perusal of the various feeds from IGS seems to be quite typical of them.
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Walks Forever Trade Inc
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Stitcher
Caldari
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.09.27 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 27/09/2008 17:34:56
The destruction of a graveyard would be fair retaliation for a few mean words, would it?
No wonder we capsuleers have a reputation for petty-minded callousness.
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BloodBird
Gallente
Tactical Freedom Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.27 20:13:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Stitcher
Edited by: Stitcher on 27/09/2008 17:34:56
The destruction of a graveyard would be fair retaliation for a few mean words, would it?
No wonder we capsuleers have a reputation for petty-minded callousness.
What's worse: There was no initial hostility or negative intent from the graveyard's watchers. At least, not that I've heard.
The actions of Goonswarm was, as they usually are, based purely on their own desire to show the universe how base and despicable they seek to be. They trive on the suffering of others, as I think you know.
Capsuleer's or not, the Goons don't represent anyone of us bar themselves. Sadly not all know that.
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Stitcher
Caldari
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.09.28 02:22:00 -
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Yes indeed. To most of the galaxy, the goons would be considered "worst of a bad bunch" even in those circles able and willing to recognize the distinction.
It just intrigued me that even a respectable Capsuleer such as Mister Marshall here would consider some petty insult enough justification to wipe out a graveyard. Even one as spiritually and morally vague as this one deserves some measure of reverence, no? Surely, therefore, it would have to be a good deal more than some insult or slight - or at least, a very significant one - to justify any attack.
The Goons, of course, need no justification (or rather, will likely never give one, or at least a sane one), but I do wonder where the line is drawn for the rest of us.
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2008.09.28 03:41:00 -
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looking from a realistic perspective...
this whole thing is rather silly O_o
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Dont Tasemebro
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Posted - 2008.09.28 08:24:00 -
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You mean Goons are no-class ****heads attempting to mask their sociopathy under thinly veiled "Roleplaying"?
*shock*
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Havohej
Minmatar
Comply Or Die
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.09.28 11:10:00 -
[52]
This thread again? Are we still fussing about a few cans of irreparably damaged biomass?
Originally by: CCP Explorer
You can still steal their stuff.
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Gavyn Lumier
Gallente
Omega Fleet Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.09.28 23:32:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Grindewald
Our scientists discovered that the Cemetery POS created a rift in the space-time continuum that interfeared with our local navigation. Thus we had to destroy it.
You sir, have no class. While I do not believe in ghosts, somehow I believe there are still occasional pod pilots who do not invest in clones and thus have only ONE body. For those with only one resting place and no more clones to transfer to, the Cemetary would be hallowed ground for those left behind to mourn said pilot's loss.
If you're going to be boorish and bullying, keep it to transmissions and blockades. You're not fooling anyone saying that the Cemetary was a threat to you, much less a hindrance to your navigation. Go stay in no-sec space and do what you do best, butting heads with BoB. Cemetaries are holy ground, and the acts you performed fall under the highest desecration. 
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Jay Marshall
Caldari
Walks Forever Trade Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.29 01:34:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Stitcher
It just intrigued me that even a respectable Capsuleer such as Mister Marshall here would consider some petty insult enough justification to wipe out a graveyard. Even one as spiritually and morally vague as this one deserves some measure of reverence, no? Surely, therefore, it would have to be a good deal more than some insult or slight - or at least, a very significant one - to justify any attack.
Stitcher,
Perhaps a bad choice of words on my part for the reasoning. I didn't mean that mere insults should consitute a declaration of war. Apologies about that. I was trying to convey that those that ran the EVE Cemetery hadn't done anything at all to be the targets of the attack.
Apologies again that my wording wasn't quite right. Those of us who are friends with Ms. Burgi, the intrepid and resourceful woman who ran the EVE Cemetery, are still rather in a state of shock over the atrocity that was commited by Goonswarm.
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Walks Forever Trade Inc
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Che Biko
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2008.09.29 12:33:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Che Biko on 29/09/2008 12:33:13
I don't see how anyone could view the goons as trustworthy after this. It seems everytime somebody asks them about the why, they have a new reason. With the publication of this article;Molea Cemetary Destroyed by Jihadswarm , I don't see who could believe them, after all the other reasons they've given.
Just look at the contradiction within this article, 4 quotes:
"GoonSwarm believes in freedom of religion..."
"...It is my duty as leader of JihadSwarm to enforce the moral standards of the one true god.ö
"Karttoon has already vowed to launch another attack; ôunless she is willing to change her burial methods so that they are in line with our beliefs."
"... The deceased must be buried on planets, wrapped in our ritual shroud, and positioned to face in the direction of the temple of QuÆLah."
@ Karttoon: When I first started donating corpses to the cemetery, I always asked the original owners if they were interested. I only got one response saying "I don't give a ****". Thus I stopped doing that, but continued informing them about their former bodies new location. I must admit that I also stopped sending those messages, but you convinced me they should be send, so I will do so again.
At least I removed your doubt.
Besides, AFAIK anyone can see if they are interred there.
I think the goons have serious PR issues.
- ChT Biko
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MikhailBakunin
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.02 07:10:00 -
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I still have the bodies. They are really stinking up my cargo hold now and the crew are having to wear masks and rub SpaceVix under their noses to keep the smell away. If anyone wants them I will gladly hand them over.
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