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King Rothgar
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Posted - 2008.09.12 10:31:00 -
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Hi, I'm new to the world of piracy in eve (had been a missioning running carebear) and about 2 weeks ago I formed a small war dec corp with a couple buddies to rough up mission runners and such. Well, I've had pretty good success with it except for one thing, isk flow is pretty low. I am turning a profit but it's not really what I was hoping for. Anyways, I've tried ransoming a few guys when the opportunity presented itself including a raven and a navy megathron but both were ignored. Loot from modules is rather underwhelming as well, I get maybe 5M isk on average from BC/BS's and that's only if I can stick around long enough to loot them and no one in a frig rushes in to steal it. So I'm contemplating going for a ransom on the corp as a whole. Something along the lines of "give me 200M isk and I'll cancel war dec immediately or I'll renew the war dec for another week if you don't pay." How realistic is something like this? One of the corps I'm at war with has destroyed a cheaply fitted t1 arbitrator (total loss 3M isk) and a stripped thorax (1M isk lost). They have lost a Raven (20-30M isk lost), seriously uber drake (90M+ lost), 2-3 cheapy cruisers (8-10M isk total lost), 3-4 frigates, and a ferox (5-10M isk lost). How much could I reasonably ask for and how likely are they to pay? BTW I'm in a 4 man corp and for the most part it's just me since one is locked in low sec and the other 2 are rarely online. I also war dec'd 2 other corps one of which is in significantly worse shape (killed a dominix and navy issue megathron today  ).
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Samaritan Azuma
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.09.12 11:02:00 -
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id give you a real response but you made is so painful to read that i stopped (break wall of text w/ keybord commands now!)
but ill answer you based on what i did read
picking on ppl pays better in laughs than isk
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Maximillian Bayonette
White Lion Manufacture and Salvage
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Posted - 2008.09.12 11:41:00 -
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Well, if you really want to get the money you should ask for a reasonable ransom based on their time in the game. For a largish corp of around 20-30 people, 500 mil should be a good sum. For a smaller and/or newer corp, you might go as low as 50 or maybe 100 mil.
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H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.09.12 11:45:00 -
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Simply give it a try - 200M is not so much for a mission running corp. If you scared them enough to reduce their activity level I am quite sure they'll pay. But maybe someone else who is more familiar with war decs and hisec has a better answer - where I live we don't need wardecs to shoot someone  .
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Jonny 101
Art of War
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.09.12 12:03:00 -
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Remember to keep it nice and quiet, make sure the guy you want to ransom won't lose face, hell, let him look like a hero to his corp buddies.
If you mock him and taunt him and make it public, kiss that money goodbye.
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My'kel An'jelo
Amarr
Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2008.09.12 12:52:00 -
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Good luck getting any ransom money, most CEOs would rather their corpmates lose a ridiculous amount of ISK on ships than drop their pride and pay up.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.09.12 13:42:00 -
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I've never had a lot of luck with corp ransoms, CEO's for the most part are too proud. If you can find that one mission running bear with a few bil in his CNR in a so-so corp and camp him every day you might get something out of him to end the war, but keep it quiet. 
Other than that, I've had more luck getting paid to wardec other corps by corps I've dec'd... I guess I'm just a likable guy when you get me chatting 
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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
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ScaR97731
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Posted - 2008.09.12 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar
Edited by: King Rothgar on 12/09/2008 11:30:02
Hi, I'm new to the world of piracy in eve (had been a missioning running carebear) and about 2 weeks ago I formed a small war dec corp with a couple buddies to rough up mission runners and such. I've had pretty good success with it except for one thing, isk flow is pretty low. I am turning a profit but it's not really what I was hoping for.
I've tried ransoming a few guys when the opportunity presented itself including a raven and a navy megathron but both were ignored. Loot from modules is rather underwhelming as well, I get maybe 5M isk on average from BC/BS's and that's only if I can stick around long enough to loot them and no one in a frig rushes in to steal it. So I'm contemplating going for a ransom on the corp as a whole. Something along the lines of "give me 200M isk and I'll cancel war dec immediately or I'll renew the war dec for another week if you don't pay." How realistic is something like this?
One of the corps I'm at war with has destroyed a cheaply fitted t1 arbitrator (total loss 3M isk) and a stripped thorax (1M isk lost). They have lost a Raven (20-30M isk lost), seriously uber drake (90M+ lost), 2-3 cheapy cruisers (8-10M isk total lost), 3-4 frigates, and a ferox (5-10M isk lost). How much could I reasonably ask for and how likely are they to pay?
Edit: Point taken, that was a pretty ugly post. Hence fixed for easier reading.
So you show up, and wardec a corporation, and destroy their ships until they pay you to go away? I don't think they should pay you anything; not one red cent. People like you are nothing but trash.
Go kill yourself.
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King Rothgar
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Posted - 2008.09.12 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: ScaR97731
So you show up, and wardec a corporation, and destroy their ships until they pay you to go away? I don't think they should pay you anything; not one red cent. People like you are nothing but trash.
Go kill yourself.
I prefer to kill others rather than myself but I appreciate your advice and may give it consideration in the future.
BTW, if you self destruct your pod and you have a bounty, do you collect your own bounty? 
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Greckor Monmouth
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.09.12 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: ScaR97731
Originally by: King Rothgar
Edited by: King Rothgar on 12/09/2008 11:30:02
Hi, I'm new to the world of piracy in eve (had been a missioning running carebear) and about 2 weeks ago I formed a small war dec corp with a couple buddies to rough up mission runners and such. I've had pretty good success with it except for one thing, isk flow is pretty low. I am turning a profit but it's not really what I was hoping for.
I've tried ransoming a few guys when the opportunity presented itself including a raven and a navy megathron but both were ignored. Loot from modules is rather underwhelming as well, I get maybe 5M isk on average from BC/BS's and that's only if I can stick around long enough to loot them and no one in a frig rushes in to steal it. So I'm contemplating going for a ransom on the corp as a whole. Something along the lines of "give me 200M isk and I'll cancel war dec immediately or I'll renew the war dec for another week if you don't pay." How realistic is something like this?
One of the corps I'm at war with has destroyed a cheaply fitted t1 arbitrator (total loss 3M isk) and a stripped thorax (1M isk lost). They have lost a Raven (20-30M isk lost), seriously uber drake (90M+ lost), 2-3 cheapy cruisers (8-10M isk total lost), 3-4 frigates, and a ferox (5-10M isk lost). How much could I reasonably ask for and how likely are they to pay?
Edit: Point taken, that was a pretty ugly post. Hence fixed for easier reading.
So you show up, and wardec a corporation, and destroy their ships until they pay you to go away? I don't think they should pay you anything; not one red cent. People like you are nothing but trash.
Go kill yourself.
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
ha?
That was a good one.
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JordanParey
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.12 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: ScaR97731
So you show up, and wardec a corporation, and destroy their ships until they pay you to go away? I don't think they should pay you anything; not one red cent. People like you are nothing but trash.
Go kill yourself.
Spoken like a victim.
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Arous Drephius
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.09.12 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar
BTW, if you self destruct your pod and you have a bounty, do you collect your own bounty?
Nope. Just make an alt and pod yourself with it.
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Tiberius Maddox
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Posted - 2008.09.12 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar
One of the corps I'm at war with has destroyed a cheaply fitted t1 arbitrator (total loss 3M isk) and a stripped thorax (1M isk lost). They have lost a Raven (20-30M isk lost), seriously uber drake (90M+ lost), 2-3 cheapy cruisers (8-10M isk total lost), 3-4 frigates, and a ferox (5-10M isk lost). How much could I reasonably ask for and how likely are they to pay?
Sounds like you're having a lovely little war.
I say go for it. If they decide not to pay, you haven't really lost anything, have you? But if they do pay it's free money! I would, however, be cautious. Just because they're mission runners doesn't mean you can take them lightly. There are quite a few mission runners out there who have significant experience and excellent equipment. If provoked enough, they could turn turn out to be formidable opponents. Too, you may not know everything there is to know about these guys. These may be alts used by expericenced players to fund their primary PvP characters. If you cause them too many problems, they might decide to come looking for you.
But I still say go for it. If it doesn't work out, at the very least you'll get some interesting small gang battles.
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Dizeezer Velar
Caldari
League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
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Posted - 2008.09.12 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: Dizeezer Velar on 12/09/2008 19:30:02
ahem, if i may.
To properly ransom a corp in empire, first put their highsec pos into reinforced mode so they know its not an empty threat.
if they don't pay, then do this and profit
http://mcd.eve-corporation.de/?&scl_id=35
(from pos modules)
also johny aka kublai has a good point. don't smack the person that pays you the ransom. think of it as a business, and he is the customer. treat him as so, and you will be much more likely to get the isk payout.
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Tiberius Maddox
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Posted - 2008.09.12 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: Tiberius Maddox on 12/09/2008 19:24:55
double post
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Eschiava Q
Minmatar
Friendly Neighbourhood Protection Racket
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Posted - 2008.09.12 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: JordanParey
Originally by: ScaR97731
So you show up, and wardec a corporation, and destroy their ships until they pay you to go away? I don't think they should pay you anything; not one red cent. People like you are nothing but trash.
Go kill yourself.
Spoken like a victim.
Correction: Spoken like the alt of a victim.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.09.12 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: ScaR97731
Originally by: King Rothgar
Edited by: King Rothgar on 12/09/2008 11:30:02
Hi, I'm new to the world of piracy in eve (had been a missioning running carebear) and about 2 weeks ago I formed a small war dec corp with a couple buddies to rough up mission runners and such. I've had pretty good success with it except for one thing, isk flow is pretty low. I am turning a profit but it's not really what I was hoping for.
I've tried ransoming a few guys when the opportunity presented itself including a raven and a navy megathron but both were ignored. Loot from modules is rather underwhelming as well, I get maybe 5M isk on average from BC/BS's and that's only if I can stick around long enough to loot them and no one in a frig rushes in to steal it. So I'm contemplating going for a ransom on the corp as a whole. Something along the lines of "give me 200M isk and I'll cancel war dec immediately or I'll renew the war dec for another week if you don't pay." How realistic is something like this?
One of the corps I'm at war with has destroyed a cheaply fitted t1 arbitrator (total loss 3M isk) and a stripped thorax (1M isk lost). They have lost a Raven (20-30M isk lost), seriously uber drake (90M+ lost), 2-3 cheapy cruisers (8-10M isk total lost), 3-4 frigates, and a ferox (5-10M isk lost). How much could I reasonably ask for and how likely are they to pay?
Edit: Point taken, that was a pretty ugly post. Hence fixed for easier reading.
So you show up, and wardec a corporation, and destroy their ships until they pay you to go away? I don't think they should pay you anything; not one red cent. People like you are nothing but trash.
Go kill yourself.
Your tears just made this thread worth reading.
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Sup brosef!
Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
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Sadaris
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Posted - 2008.09.12 21:13:00 -
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Or said corp could make a new one leave that one as a shell and u waste isk wardecing a ghost
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.09.12 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: My'kel An'jelo
Good luck getting any ransom money, most CEOs would rather their corpmates lose a ridiculous amount of ISK on ships than drop their pride and pay up.
This. I hardly ever actually get a ransom, regardless of the fact that I may destroy many times the ransom amount. I've never had a ransom over 100m.
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Mika Meroko
Minmatar
Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.12 21:41:00 -
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As said above:
be nice to your customers.
go after POSes...
dont bother with corps without poses... since they can always "surrender" instead of pay up....(surrender being disbanding)
...yes, they are allowed to do that as long as they dont fight back..
Research POSes are good targets though....
but be nice and butter up your mark.
dont antagonize them too much (since well, you would already be shooting at their pos once the 24 hours is up...)
Originally by: CCP Atropos
I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.09.13 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: ScaR97731
So you show up, and wardec a corporation, and destroy their ships until they pay you to go away? I don't think they should pay you anything; not one red cent. People like you are nothing but trash.
Go kill yourself.
Ha ... Haha ... Hahaha ... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
This thread was boring up until I read that. Thank you!
Now ... who's your main?
~Solo
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Miki Fin
Gallente
Independant Union of Rangers
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Posted - 2008.09.13 10:59:00 -
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Corps don't like paying ransoms. Best way to do it is to start off small. Initially make contact and demand something stupid like 5 mill to not wardec their corp. If they refuse, send in the war dec and then ransom for 50 mil + the cost of any ships of yours that get destroyed.
Once the corps start paying ransoms, make sure you honor the ransom. Publicise your achievements as much as possible but don't smack down the corps that pay. Once corps realise you honor ransom, more are more likely to pay.
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Saint Lazarus
Spiorad ag fanaiocht
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Posted - 2008.09.13 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: My'kel An'jelo
Good luck getting any ransom money, most CEOs would rather their corpmates lose a ridiculous amount of ISK on ships than drop their pride and pay up.
This tbh
Some CEO's will dock up and let corpmates lose ship after ship for weeks till they get sick of it and leave before givin you one cent, just the way alot of people are
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Tashajan
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Posted - 2008.09.13 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Tashajan on 13/09/2008 11:36:44
Originally by: ScaR97731
So you show up, and wardec a corporation, and destroy their ships until they pay you to go away? I don't think they should pay you anything; not one red cent. People like you are nothing but trash.
Go kill yourself.
ouch  and people like you got burned, and went bitter? 
well. i guess he will need to get payed in blue, or green cents then..
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Da SoulSteala
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Posted - 2008.09.13 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Da SoulSteala on 13/09/2008 11:54:02
Originally by: ScaR97731
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So you show up, and wardec a corporation, and destroy their ships until they pay you to go away? I don't think they should pay you anything; not one red cent. People like you are nothing but trash.
Go kill yourself.
If you liked that you'll prolly like this.
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=867597
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AnastasiaAmarr
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Posted - 2008.09.16 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: AnastasiaAmarr on 16/09/2008 18:32:11
Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette
Well, if you really want to get the money you should ask for a reasonable ransom based on their time in the game. For a largish corp of around 20-30 people, 500 mil should be a good sum. For a smaller and/or newer corp, you might go as low as 50 or maybe 100 mil.
if I have a corp and you ask 500mil, I'll take that 500mil and give it to a merc corp to beat you up.
as someone said earlier, picking on people will give you a good laugh not isk.
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