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Jonathan Malcom
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
73
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:16:00 -
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The Wis wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:I like how The Wis didn't seem to care until people started telling him he should care. he didnt see the tape till later, Says that in his post. He took his time to think about what happened. People do that sometimes. instead of just mouthing off a, Deal with it. I also like how he accepted The Mittani's apology and everything until people started telling him what to think. No not becouse of what everyone tells me what I should think. I work when I have work come in.. I have been on the road more thien anything and trying to answer peoples question. Today I have no work orders so more time. But still have real life things to do around the house. And to let everyone know I do not bot. If I see a botter I will let gankers know about it. I do multibox and love to see how far I can push it.. AT this time I am limited buy the hardware I have. One day I will see if I can go further. Thanks all for the support and the kind words.
Dear "The Wis"
Your attempts to use your real life problems to guilt trip people who ganked you into reimbrusing you are reprehensible and completely indefensible. We are not your friends, your family or you support group. We do not care about your issues. Your eve-mail was a transparent and despicable attempt at emotional manipulation and you should be openly ridiculed for it.
Your personal problems have no business in my spaceship game. Deal with it ~ |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
625
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:19:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:
Saying those things is not illegal. There are clear criteria that must be met in order to qualify as hate speech; that is why the KK, for instance, can still hold rallies despite being an outright horrible organization for horrible people. I think you need to take a step back from your emotions. After all, where do we draw the line? You just called me a moronic ******* over the internet.
If you think calling somebody a moronic ass-hole is the same as some racist vile crap then you have just proved you are in-deed a ass-hole. Also as far as I am aware in the USA if its a direct attack against an individual, whether verbal or nonverbal, it can be construed as a hate crime and in which case you can be arrested. Hate crime can only be applied if there is an actual crime. Rambling hateful speech that does not call for action isn't a crime, no matter how distasteful.
in fact, legally (in the US) there is no difference between calling someone a moron and calling them [insert slew of racial terms]. |
Skilfer Azizora
Nova Corps Marines Group
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:20:00 -
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Magnus Orin wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:The laws basically says there is no difference between if you walk up to somebody on the street and scream vile racist crap at them and if you do it on the internet. Last time I checked neither of these were illegal in my country. Which country is that? All of them.
I know for a fact that it is not illegal in the US. You cannot continuously harass someone because that is considered bullying/abuse, and you cannot threaten them, but you can say whatever you like. For example, the Supreme Court ruled towards the end of last year that the protests of soldiers' funerals by the Westboro Baptist Church was constitutionally protected. They can legally tell people their sons and daughters are going to burn in hell for serving their country. Also, if what you said was true, then the Neo *****, Black Panthers, ***, and other racist groups would not be allowed to exist, but the reality is they are. As long as no act of violence is committed it is merely an extension of your 1st Amendment right's, however repulsive that might seem. |
RectumRanger
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:22:00 -
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Just stopped by to post in one of the best threads ever. o/ |
DonHel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:23:00 -
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I hate Goons, I dont even know why.. it was injected into my noob blood years ago.. But I do not condone this apology , why must you fall to these guys and apologize? You really did nothing wrong and should not be punished unless all who stood witness and participated are ready to be judged and set to hang also. They are trying to get at you the way you get at them, right to the bone. I have watched every minute of the fanfest panel and sure, you said some harsh things.. but guess what.. eve is a harsh universe full of harsh people.. sure you may have not been in game at that moment but were you not at an EVE event being fed alcahol and brewed up to be an asshat for the fans? I Just came back to the game, so maybe things have changed ever since the barby land patch and people now wearing tight panties.. but i truly find nothing wrong with what you said and did or any of the other members of csm who also showed thier ass that night |
Stabs McShiv
MINUS4
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:25:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Stabs McShiv wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:[quote=Ranger 1]
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U.K has turned into a fascist state that sh*t is some 1985 sh*t way to go poms dropped the ball on that one. Agreed. While disgusting, that oversteps the bounds of governmental authority. You 2 guys have missed the point entirely. In fact I would go so far to say its because idiots like yourself, the kind moronic ass-holes that we need these laws. The laws basically says there is no difference between if you walk up to somebody on the street and scream vile racist crap at them and if you do it on the internet. Its to stop morons like yourself hiding behind a keyboard because the level of your cowardice does not allow you tell somebody to their face what you think.
No one is going to sail over the sea and save you this time your cowardice has cost you your nation and your to blind to see it. Dont come crying when your in a gulag for 'insulting' someones business interests. Sheep. |
Jita Alt666
966
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:40:00 -
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Well done people this thread has well and truly passed the WIS thread.
More people in Eve Online care about The Mittani with more intensity than care about Walking in Stations.
No resolution in sight? |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1682
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:42:00 -
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bloody hell, I step away to have a corp meeting and its another 30 pages :)
Anyway I'm glad he has gathered his courage and resigned from the role of chair of the CSM (which is the absolute minimum he needed to do really). For the moment I'm satisfied with this and we'll see what develops really. I'm sure the story isn't completely finished but I hope we've all learned some valuable lessons.
Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
90
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:42:00 -
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So long mittani o/
nice 10k votes you guys wasted
coulda got 3 csm and now you have 0.
madprops |
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
198
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:43:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:bloody hell, I step away to have a corp meeting and its another 30 pages :)
Anyway I'm glad he has gathered his courage and resigned from the role of chair of the CSM (which is the absolute minimum he needed to do really). For the moment I'm satisfied with this and we'll see what develops really. I'm sure the story isn't completely finished but I hope we've all learned some valuable lessons.
Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online.
A nice, two faced way of saying that you're kicking someone you don't like while they're down. We can play that way. |
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Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
29
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:43:00 -
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He is the hero we deserve, but not the one we need right now...
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Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:45:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28576
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Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
128
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:48:00 -
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"As some of you might have heard, one of the Alliance leaders speaking at the Alliance Panel during EVE Fanfest 2012 breached our EULA/TOS with some ill-advised remarks about a fellow EVE player."
Where's all those 'nay sayers' regarding TOS/EULA now ?! |
Liam Mirren
382
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:49:00 -
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gf gf Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Ai Shun
451
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:57:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online.
Let's recap here.
1. The Wis brings personal issues into the game. 2. The Mittani does something very stupid and to my mind very rude. 3. There is a large public outcry. 4. The Mittani apologises and donates his ISK to The Wis. 5. The Mittani, after consultation, resigns as chair and from the CSM (Wasn't very clear if he is off the CSM). 6. CCP hands out a 30 day ban and decides to review future material for Fanfest.
The man that owned up to his horrid mistake and did his best to offer restitution is the man that comes out of this on top. Of course, the same can't be said of the mass of Goons that have posted their vitriol over these pages; but at least they're loyal.
I don't know why, but some reason your post just makes me think of a politician greaseballing for votes or something. There is something distinctly slimy about it. |
Saint Lazarus
Spiorad ag fanaiocht
205
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:58:00 -
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gf |
Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
782
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:01:00 -
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Enjoy your ban mittens. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Kriegman
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:03:00 -
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The blood of unbelievers shall fill the station.... |
Zanziba'ar
Blackwell Industries IMPERIAL LEGI0N
41
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:05:00 -
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I don't like The Mittani but well done for making an apology - Mulzvich "Zanziba'ar" Gorath |
Cheekything
Dark-Rising
96
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:09:00 -
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Well this is one big huge over reaction.
I think the words used were overly strong and could of seen better judgement but that is it. |
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Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
27
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:09:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online. Let's recap here. 1. The Wis brings personal issues into the game. 2. The Mittani does something very stupid and to my mind very rude. 3. There is a large public outcry. 4. The Mittani apologises and donates his ISK to The Wis. 5. The Mittani, after consultation, resigns as chair and from the CSM (Wasn't very clear if he is off the CSM). 6. CCP hands out a 30 day ban and decides to review future material for Fanfest. The man that owned up to his horrid mistake and did his best to offer restitution is the man that comes out of this on top. Of course, the same can't be said of the mass of Goons that have posted their vitriol over these pages; but at least they're loyal. I don't know why, but some reason your post just makes me think of a politician greaseballing for votes or something. There is something distinctly slimy about it. 5. The Mittani, after consultation, resigns as chair and from the THE CURRENT CSM , and want to run as a member of CSM 7 (Wasn't very clear if he is off the CSM). 6. CCP hands out a 30 day ban , removes him from CSM7 decides to review future material for Fanfest.
thats my timeline CSM are expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM
CCP:-á the mittani has set an example -áto follow ? |
Jean-Derp deCurrency
ISKesis Trust Fund
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:12:00 -
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Ccp staff : " Hey look everybody's drunk and they all play eve, let's all laugh our asses off --- wait what, did kotaku put us on the front pppp - DAMAAGE CONTROOOOOOOOOL. "
This is incredibly ********. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1684
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:12:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online. Let's recap here. 1. The Wis brings personal issues into the game. 2. The Mittani does something very stupid and to my mind very rude. 3. There is a large public outcry. 4. The Mittani apologises and donates his ISK to The Wis. 5. The Mittani, after consultation, resigns as chair and from the CSM (Wasn't very clear if he is off the CSM). 6. CCP hands out a 30 day ban and decides to review future material for Fanfest. The man that owned up to his horrid mistake and did his best to offer restitution is the man that comes out of this on top. Of course, the same can't be said of the mass of Goons that have posted their vitriol over these pages; but at least they're loyal. I don't know why, but some reason your post just makes me think of a politician greaseballing for votes or something. There is something distinctly slimy about it.
Well having now read his freak out session on EN24 http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/
I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets. Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away. I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons. Good riddence to the guy.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
798
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:12:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online. Let's recap here. 1. The Wis brings personal issues into the game. 2. The Mittani does something very stupid and to my mind very rude. 3. There is a large public outcry. 4. The Mittani apologises and donates his ISK to The Wis. 5. The Mittani, after consultation, resigns as chair and from the CSM (Wasn't very clear if he is off the CSM). 6. CCP hands out a 30 day ban and decides to review future material for Fanfest. The man that owned up to his horrid mistake and did his best to offer restitution is the man that comes out of this on top. Of course, the same can't be said of the mass of Goons that have posted their vitriol over these pages; but at least they're loyal. I don't know why, but some reason your post just makes me think of a politician greaseballing for votes or something. There is something distinctly slimy about it. Well having now read his freak out session on EN24 http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets. Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away. I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons. Good riddence to the guy.
hello.jpg |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
77
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:14:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online. Let's recap here. 1. The Wis brings personal issues into the game. 2. The Mittani does something very stupid and to my mind very rude. 3. There is a large public outcry. 4. The Mittani apologises and donates his ISK to The Wis. 5. The Mittani, after consultation, resigns as chair and from the CSM (Wasn't very clear if he is off the CSM). 6. CCP hands out a 30 day ban and decides to review future material for Fanfest. The man that owned up to his horrid mistake and did his best to offer restitution is the man that comes out of this on top. Of course, the same can't be said of the mass of Goons that have posted their vitriol over these pages; but at least they're loyal. I don't know why, but some reason your post just makes me think of a politician greaseballing for votes or something. There is something distinctly slimy about it. Well having now read his freak out session on EN24 http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets. Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away. I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons. Good riddence to the guy. hello.jpg
Hi Jade, you seem to be trying to be relevant again. Stop it. |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
77
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:14:00 -
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RP Space brothels. |
Jagga Spikes
Spikes Chop Shop
68
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:17:00 -
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apology accepted, and job well done. hope to see you next year. |
Wirbin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
72
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:18:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online. Let's recap here. 1. The Wis brings personal issues into the game. 2. The Mittani does something very stupid and to my mind very rude. 3. There is a large public outcry. 4. The Mittani apologises and donates his ISK to The Wis. 5. The Mittani, after consultation, resigns as chair and from the CSM (Wasn't very clear if he is off the CSM). 6. CCP hands out a 30 day ban and decides to review future material for Fanfest. The man that owned up to his horrid mistake and did his best to offer restitution is the man that comes out of this on top. Of course, the same can't be said of the mass of Goons that have posted their vitriol over these pages; but at least they're loyal. I don't know why, but some reason your post just makes me think of a politician greaseballing for votes or something. There is something distinctly slimy about it. Well having now read his freak out session on EN24 http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets. Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away. I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons. Good riddence to the guy.
lol you have an rp space brothel, kill yourself |
Tango Zulu
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:18:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:bloody hell, I step away to have a corp meeting and its another 30 pages :)
Anyway I'm glad he has gathered his courage and resigned from the role of chair of the CSM (which is the absolute minimum he needed to do really). For the moment I'm satisfied with this and we'll see what develops really. I'm sure the story isn't completely finished but I hope we've all learned some valuable lessons.
Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online.
I might agree with you if this had to do with the CSM, but it doesn't so the "absolute minimum" he needed to do was apologize, if he personally felt responsible to do so. If he had said every word he said in Jita local to an audience of 1500+, no one would have blinked an eye about it. In the end this was The Mittani saying something about The Wiz (or whatever his name is) with regards to EVE at an EVE event. He didn't find and give everyone his real name and address, he didn't mail him anthrax, he didn't even say "Good, kill yourself." The panel show was how people react to our actions in game. You can try to say he's a representative of the player base, but that doesn't mean that he needs to have infinite love and respect for what people say over the internet. (For the non-goons in the audience, he's the third person in recent memory that mentioned self-harm after losing their assets. We hear it often enough by people who want stuff back from scams/want sympathy for losses.) In American politics you do not need to love and agree with the religious right to run as a left-leaning democrat.
What we are seeing is people who despise goons writing the most eloquent posts they have in years trying to close the deal with his stepping down, while goons and allies ask, "What does it have to do with the politics of EVE?" and independent-minded people (including most of the CSM who actually know him) saying, "You can (and sometimes say should) apologize, but don't step down because you've brought good changes about."
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Ai Shun
455
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:19:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Well having now read his freak out session on EN24 http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets. Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away. I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons. Good riddence to the guy.
Nonsense. The childish footstamping is coming from you. He is right in the core of what he wrote - people are taking this issue, which has been dealt with, and using it as a mechanism to destroy the Goonswarm because they are unable to do so in-game. |
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