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Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: kor anon
Oversimplified tosh. Yes we are here but the natural resources are running the **** out. by 'handling' I and more intelligent people know this means sustainability. At our current population level the earth cannot sustain us indefinately.
I hope you and your more 'intelligent' people will learn how to spell one day.
Anyway, the limits of the world's sustainability is limited by the ingenuity of man, not the limits of raw resources. Try getting that through your skull.
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kor anon
Amarr
Sons Of The Fallen
BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Pwett
Originally by: kor anon
Oversimplified tosh. Yes we are here but the natural resources are running the **** out. by 'handling' I and more intelligent people know this means sustainability. At our current population level the earth cannot sustain us indefinately.
I hope you and your more 'intelligent' people will learn how to spell one day.
Anyway, the limits of the world's sustainability is limited by the ingenuity of man, not the limits of raw resources. Try getting that through your skull.
hehe the old spelling insult the last refuge of someone with no arguement. Im sorry but i personally dont care enough to spellcheck my posts after i write it
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Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Pwett on 10/09/2008 18:46:02
No, friend. The Ad Hominem argument is the first argument of those without a leg to stand on.
I have an argument, friend. Read my post, but do yourself a favor: don't attack someone unless you want the same in return.
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The0
Minmatar
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:49:00 -
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I'd rather money go to the LHC than feeding some poor starving kid. Survival of the fittest and all that malarky.
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:56:00 -
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OP you really have no freaking idea what you are talking about. This experiment is beyond your whining habits while you browse eve-o forums. First of all who are you that create a list of what is importnat and what is not?
But ill tag along so lets take YOUR list.
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1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water.
2. Feed the starving.
3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc.
1. You say people die from lack of water, tell me OP what are you doing to not waste water? Name me directly the things you do.
2. Tell me what you do with the food you dont want? Do you trash it or do you give it to the poor people of your city?
3. And this is an example that you dont have an idea of what your talking about. First of all LHC experiment and its results has direct effects on medicine science. And besides there are already people that doing experiments and are trying to find cures for diseases...
You put LHC on 894 by saying that people dont care and have no idea of how it works.
Tell me OP do you know the physics behind your computer? No, but you use it. Do you how television works? No, but you use it. Do you even know how we ended up creating those things? No, but you use them. See where i am going?
LHC might also lead on new forms of energy.
Tell me if oil, coal and other resources that are limited, disappear tomorrow what are you gonna do?
You wont have elecricity, people in hospitals will start dieing, no electricity means no drinkable water at homes. No oil means no more cars, no planes, nothing. People wont be able to go anywhere. Resources on their location will wear out quickly they will start to fight for them. Do i need to say more?
LHC has effects on other sciences too, including computer science. For example results from there might lead on faster computers.
I didnt see you make a post about how invseting in military equipment is a waste of money... someone might also say that you, playing on your computer, is a waste of energy. You can go read a book or go out for a walk. But you dont, you dont care, you just want to play games, or post crap on forums.
Science is not a waste of money ignorant fool. Please go crawl back in your hole.
P.S. Long post but your small brain needs it.
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Posted - 2008.09.10 19:00:00 -
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Quote:
...is limited by the ingenuity of man,...
LHC is not man's ingenuity?...
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Amastat
Caldari
Poseidon Laboratories
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Posted - 2008.09.10 19:15:00 -
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My response to the OP, the same response that I give all the other whiny, over analyzing, selfish, bleeding-heart extremists who make this same exact whine.
It's their money to spend.
What do YOU spend your money on? This is a question that I ask the OP and every other participant in this thread. When was the last time you spent an entire years salary to feed the starving/suffering on the Earth abroad.
I mean - this is like someone being ****ed off at a brother-in-law because he got a new sports car, so you get ****ed, jealous, /RUN_TANTRUM and tell him he should of spent his money on something more practical.
Practice what you preach before loading up onto the wahhh-train. 
It's also, at this day and age, nearly impossible to eliminate these problems as it is - these small few issues, which are just a peice of the bigger issue. The societies of this world have to change drastically in order for eradication of these issues to be a possible concept, but society must first learn, and eventually grow up, before then.
Don't get me wrong. As far as we know, the laws of the universe, it is impossible to achieve 100% efficiency, perfection; but, we can try to get close to it. Wither we know it, or don't want to admit it, we are becoming a better race with every passing day - but we must always make sure we don't stop, or backtrack, and prevent suicidal/insane peoples and groups from trying to halt or destroy all of our work.
Point being - a scientists role is to further our understanding and capabilities, which therefore improves society. It's their field, their profession, their purpose, their determination - no one has any right to tell them what to do with their time. For all you know their findings would pave the way for the invention of warp-drive so we can finally colonize other planets and eradicate our overpopulation issues that lead to half of the problems people are freaking out over.
If there are those who are still discontent about the effort made to confront the issues of famine, disease, and death, go take a years salary to the red cross to ease your pain, or GTFO of OOPE forums. 
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Arvald
Caldari
Ninjas N Pirates
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Posted - 2008.09.10 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Liberator 1
I'll tell you exactly where I draw the line.
Big problems require big solutions, from the government of countries. Once you eliminate water and food poverty, a country can maybe begin to stand on its feet and take its place in the world, freeing it from dependance on charity from other nations.
I re-iterate my point: If a govt wants to do things with lots of money, there are priorities above chasing around after some hypothetical "God particle".
the point were trying to make here is that you do not eliminate starvation by giving everyone handouts, you only postpone it. If the people in these starving countrys are not taught how to grow food and such for themselves then giving them food isnt going to do anything as the one time we dont get it to them, they are going to...guess what...STARVE. so pouting a crapload of money into the situation does nothing therefor your point is fubar
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QwaarJet
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.09.10 19:32:00 -
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Liberator, your view of humanity's priorities is very wrong in my view. Going back to the moon and going to Mars should be one of our highest priorities in my view. Because It's who we are.
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Zalathar
Minmatar
Stellar Research Incorporated
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.09.10 19:42:00 -
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war on iraq: between 600 billion and 2 trillion, people agrue
Cancer reaserch: around 5 billion per year
total spent on beijing olympics: about 23 billion
a large house on antibes: 1 billion
Nimitz class aircraft carrier: 4.5 billion each
Cost of an F22: 138 million per plane
Space shuttle launch: 450 million PER LAUNCH
cost of buolding the biggest machine humanity has ever built, and one of history's greatest scientific collaborations. A machine allowing us to understand how the universe works, and how it was created, doeing its part to lift us form the pit of ignorance of religion. A machine that could allow us to understand space time and mass, and possibly modify it for ftl travel. A machine that has the potential to fuel particle physics for many years to come. A machine that could lead to a plethora of side discoveries. not really that much...
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.09.10 20:04:00 -
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Threads like this make me fear for the human races survival, the greatest discoveries are made by researching science for the sake of pure science.
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Valan
The Fated
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Posted - 2008.09.10 20:09:00 -
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There is no waste of money like feeding people who are still going to be starving in a hundred years time. All you do is perpetuate suffering.
If the land can't support life it'll move elsewhere and flourish or reach a level where it can survive. All people are doing is allowing a starving race to produce more starving people. It's an exponential curve of suffering. It's cruel to inflict suffering upon people just to make yourself feel better becuase you did soemthing charitable and gave them a bowl full of grain.
Now science on the other hand may allow these people to produce food on a barren landscape. Or this case produce a cheap energy source for producing a stable environment for food growth. Thats why we should spend money or science it moves the human race forward instead of languishing in its present state.
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.09.10 20:15:00 -
[103]
How much is that whole LHC experience actually?
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Something Random
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.09.10 21:41:00 -
[104]
With all the money thats achievable by man there is no reason we cant have the best of both worlds. Investigation into science to extend our knowledge and increase output AND investment into third world type poverty and lack of resource. It just takes a leap in the way we work, for ourselves, and for our kind.
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Vabjekf
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Posted - 2008.09.10 21:47:00 -
[105]
they could have built a space ship, or a sex robot. But instead they built a gigantic circular tube.
Good job CERN.
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.10 22:11:00 -
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1. Money creates poverty. It can never solve it. Think about it.
2. The Higgs Boson will not be found because the standard model is wrong.
3. Any black hole (such a stupid term) created would evaporate before it can expand.
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Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
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Posted - 2008.09.10 23:04:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Avon
Any black hole (such a stupid term) created would evaporate before it can expand.
...according to theory. At the same time it is said by the particle freaks, well, it could be possible that we do not find the higgs boson, but that's also a big scientific progress, because then we know that some or some parts of our fundamental theories are wrong, maybe we discover unknown phenomena, maybe we discover that other theories are wrong like the theory that mini black holes will evaporate ... oops ...
One cannot "prove" the safety of an experiment with a theory being aware that this experiment could falsify the theory.
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.09.10 23:09:00 -
[108]
If it isn't new war fighting technology it is a waste of money. We have to prepare for the aliens that are going to come through the gate that this waste of money somehow created when some dude dropped coffee on a control panel.
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Buff Plankchest
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.11 00:17:00 -
[109]
the OP is just ****ed off that he doesn't get to play with a multi billion $ atom smasher 
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Blafam
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Posted - 2008.09.11 00:32:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Liberator 1
And whilst I'm on the subject, I have some questions, will the LHC provide me with :
1. Flying cars? Possibly
2. Free sports channels ?No
3. More money?No
4. Better weather ? Possibly
5. Free intergalactic travel ?Possibly
4. Doughnuts?No
No it. f&(*^ing won't
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Lyn Quan
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.09.11 06:25:00 -
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What a shitty arguement OP. According to your logic it was either a, solve world hunger OR b, build the LHC , and all the scientists went "Screw hunger let's build a big ring".
Newsflash: World is not black and white, now stfu.
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Verx Interis
Amarr
Aurora Security
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.09.11 06:49:00 -
[112]
The LHC is less than 10% of the worlds GDP. If that kind of money could solve those problems, they would be solved by now.
If 10% of our GDP is enough to solve the problems on our planet and they still exist then we deserve the LHC to make a black hole or whatever to kill us.
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Ogul
Caldari
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.11 07:25:00 -
[113]
Capital idea.
Let's restrict all research to immediately useful applications.
Just like the CD player was a direct consequence of improving the record player.
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Calvin Firenze
Minmatar
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.11 08:05:00 -
[114]
Stupid Ethical Questions
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Dzajic
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.09.11 09:24:00 -
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1. Developed countries are already (as has been posted earlier in this thread, and can be found by googling) spending quite a lot of money on help for undeveloped world. Sadly a huge amount of that cash ends up in pockets of local dictators and western "consultants" and "advisers".
2. Fusion. Afaik, energy break even point has been reached by several different experiments, it is the economic break even point that is unreachable for now. Fission is very easy from engineering standpoint, have some uranium, bring it together, it starts releasing energy and heat, use some moderator to stop if from melting and blowing up.
For fusion you need extreme high temperatures and pressures, those involve using state of the art supercooled superconductors to generate magnetic fields, etc...
Incredibly more difficult technically than controlled fission.
3. Mars. If someone returned NASA to '60es level efficiency instead of pork barreling and feeding Boeing and LokMar money as its today... you could have a manned Mars mission for less than 100B$. No one ever seriously implied trillions. There was the 1989. Bush Sr. Space Exploration Initiative that had program with 30 years of space flight, moon base, mars flight, large Freedom space station and a ton of other stuff for a total price of 450B$ for the entire 30 year long endeavor.
Stupid media inflated that to "500B$ for a single Mars flight", and now we are at "trillions for a Mars mission" levels of ignorance.
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Dionisius
Gallente
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2008.09.11 10:55:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Rejit Arjs
OP you really have no freaking idea what you are talking about. This experiment is beyond your whining habits while you browse eve-o forums. First of all who are you that create a list of what is importnat and what is not?
But ill tag along so lets take YOUR list.
Quote:
1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water.
2. Feed the starving.
3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc.
1. You say people die from lack of water, tell me OP what are you doing to not waste water? Name me directly the things you do.
2. Tell me what you do with the food you dont want? Do you trash it or do you give it to the poor people of your city?
3. And this is an example that you dont have an idea of what your talking about. First of all LHC experiment and its results has direct effects on medicine science. And besides there are already people that doing experiments and are trying to find cures for diseases...
You put LHC on 894 by saying that people dont care and have no idea of how it works.
Tell me OP do you know the physics behind your computer? No, but you use it. Do you how television works? No, but you use it. Do you even know how we ended up creating those things? No, but you use them. See where i am going?
LHC might also lead on new forms of energy.
Tell me if oil, coal and other resources that are limited, disappear tomorrow what are you gonna do?
You wont have elecricity, people in hospitals will start dieing, no electricity means no drinkable water at homes. No oil means no more cars, no planes, nothing. People wont be able to go anywhere. Resources on their location will wear out quickly they will start to fight for them. Do i need to say more?
LHC has effects on other sciences too, including computer science. For example results from there might lead on faster computers.
I didnt see you make a post about how invseting in military equipment is a waste of money... someone might also say that you, playing on your computer, is a waste of energy. You can go read a book or go out for a walk. But you dont, you dont care, you just want to play games, or post crap on forums.
Science is not a waste of money ignorant fool. Please go crawl back in your hole.
P.S. Long post but your small brain needs it.
I just would like to add that as soon as we have "control" ( do we actually control anything? ) over new forms of energy then thats the point were some real revolutions will start. ( and hopefully mankind actually starts to get on the right track again... )
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.09.11 11:05:00 -
[117]
1. Science is one avenue which may provide solutions to the problems highlighted by the OP.
2. No-one who pays $X a month for Internet Spaceships had a right to comment on this topic anyway.
How did this thread get this long?
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Dionisius
Gallente
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2008.09.11 11:10:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
1. Science is one avenue which may provide solutions to the problems highlighted by the OP.
2. No-one who pays $X a month for Internet Spaceships had a right to comment on this topic anyway.
How did this thread get this long?
Right or wrong everyone has the right to coment thats why we advocate the right of free speech in modern society. : )
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.09.11 11:10:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
1. Science is one avenue which may provide solutions to the problems highlighted by the OP.
2. No-one who pays $X a month for Internet Spaceships had a right to comment on this topic anyway.
How did this thread get this long?
I dunno but poor Mitnal is probably tearing his hair off.
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Lily Sarman
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Posted - 2008.09.11 11:27:00 -
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The large hadron collider isn't a waste of time and money. Science is important and you can hardly expect us to return to the dark ages just because their are people living in poverty.
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