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Ammzi
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
884
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:20:00 -
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Live stream
Jita will burn or not? quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Vincent VanDamme
Shadowfire Enterprises Rura-Penthe
9
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:37:00 -
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Susie Chow wrote:Vincent VanDamme wrote:I can't help myself: Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum) . But it does make the point. Beware the tyranny of the Majority! (That sounds so anticlimactic!) (Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority) It is typical of the sort of pretentious twerp who links wikipedia articles after naming a logical fallacy to fail to read the articles himself. The only argument made in this thread is that The Mittani must represent a significant proportion of the EVE playerbase since he received the most votes -- not that winning a democratic election makes him right about anything. Next time, idiot, please "help yourself" by reading the thread before posting. :)
Ad hominem already. ;)
I hope im not pretentious. Heck I suck at debating!
However, in order to alleviate your fears, I actually think the guys on the CSM do a good job, even Mittens himself.
I was just making the point that a better way of getting your point across is not to quote vote numbers, but to come at it with reasons.
I think i might have made the point for you anyway. I don't think he meant anything by what he said, and the presentation was a just a who's who of GSF activities, and the various victims.
Im sure if you got to know me, you wouldn't think im pretentious. Or an idiot (well maybe a little bit of an idiot)
Take care
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Vincent VanDamme
Shadowfire Enterprises Rura-Penthe
9
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:40:00 -
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Mogadishu Yacht-Club wrote:Vincent VanDamme wrote:Mogadishu Yacht-Club wrote:
WORDS.
I can't help myself: WORDS I only responded to the statement of "3% of the population" with the percentage received of the accounts that actually voted. That's only a statement of math, and makes no claims as to how proper "drunken public ranting about people with extra-special SERIOUS BUSINESS issues" is or is not. Followed by pointing out a possible option he could take in addressing his feelings that he is not being properly represented by the CSM. Hush your face.
There are other ways of getting his point across, yes! Just reminded me of that quote.
That being said, the CSM is fairly serious. It is the poster child for taking the playerbase of an MMO seriously. It is the template that others will have to follow for user engagement.
That being said, i think the CSM has, over its life, done a pretty good job.
I hope you wont think what i said was a personal attack, far from it. I guess im just a sucker for saying my piece. So i hope you wont be too offended that i wont be "Hushing my face".
Take care.
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Eben Harper
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:46:00 -
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Probably not, people have rioted before and all they got for it was an apology video from CCP and The Mittani lmao. The CSM is a joke, it does not represent the majority of eve players, and as long as null-bloc alliances dominate it, it never will. The best we can hope for is that CCP realizes the CSM does not represent the majority of eve players and will keep that in mind when the CSM wants to use highsec as a nullsec test bed, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that. Coincidentally once upon a time the United States had a similiar issue with it's elections, larger states would dominate smaller states in elections because they could bring the most votes, resulting in smaller states having little say in their government, and so the electoral college was invented. Maybe we need something similar? |
knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
83
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:02:00 -
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Elson Tamar wrote:Actually i'd like to answer somthing very sensible sidus said. One of the major problems with cyber bullying within schools is that it follows kids home. Becasue of peer preasure etc they feel they cant just turn the pc off and have to take part in Facebook etc, even if they are being harased and bullied. Its a real issue that is on the rise, certainly in the UK.
This is EVE, its for adults. It contains a warning when you sign up.
Cyberbulling between kids isn't nice but this was two adults playing a computer game. The guy claiming to be suicidal could have been making it up as much as Mittani putting on an act for the audience. Its hardly a case of one dude bullying another, it was one dude laughing at another one for pulling a sob story when he got shot at in a computer game.
Jesus christ, get over it, go outside.
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Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:06:00 -
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Some people just want to see the world burn.
Fire wizards for instance
~10,058~ |
Eben Harper
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:31:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Elson Tamar wrote:http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-26-ccp-launches-investigation-after-eve-online-fanfest-panel-accused-of-mocking-suicidal-player
That CSM member dosn't represent me.
Don't need to say anymore do I? Vote for one that does? What's the point, your people just hijack the election and get trolls elected regardless of who the majority votes for. I always knew this game was full of a**hole sadists but to attempt to drive someone with a mental imbalance to suicide is a new low, I hope CCP bans those responsible.
Please stand by for goonshat.... |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
156
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:58:00 -
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The "lol get over it" side of this issue would seem more credible if 99% of the support for it wasn't coming from Goons who will rally behind their glorious leader in just about any circumstance. It doesn't seem like a whole lot of not-Goons are facerolling their keyboards right now producing posts of support for the stance. I would have imagined that the ~10058~ would be able to get some of those alts to "weigh in" just to create an illusion of broad consensus... |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
177
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:01:00 -
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Thankfully no one else in here has ever said anything dumb while drunk as all hell. |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:02:00 -
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Eben Harper wrote:[quote=Vile rat] What's the point, your people just hijack the election and get trolls elected regardless of who the majority votes for.
i don't even know where to start |
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Eben Harper
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:44:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:Thankfully no one else in here has ever said anything deliberately malicious while drunk as all hell.
fixed |
Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:50:00 -
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I wonder how many player in your ingame entourage commited suicide. In Goonswarm Federation, we have one. This is probably why we don't understand when you rise against mittens right now. You make a big deal out of nothing, and he was NOT encouraging suicide, he just pointed out how ridiculous it would be to commit suicide over a video game. People take it too seriously. |
Eben Harper
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:51:00 -
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Joepopo wrote:I wonder how many player in your ingame entourage commited suicide. In Goonswarm Federation, we have one. This is probably why we don't understand when you rise against mittens right now.
goonshat says shat? |
Joepopo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:57:00 -
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Eben Harper wrote: goonshat says shat?
NPC alt; your words have no value. |
Marcus Shamonomonom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:16:00 -
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I'll just leave this here.
Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him. [21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
892
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:13:00 -
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I will just leave this here. Not implying that those chat logs are fake or anything. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Arakkis Melanogaster
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:39:00 -
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I too was disgusted. His faux-Russian accent was terrible. I want, no demand a representative that can do a proper Eastern European accent. |
Diandathu
Freedom-Technologies The Jagged Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:02:00 -
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I have seen alot of "we are not responsible for a players mental state" While agreeing with this statement that does not give the right for anyone at anytime to be excused for playing on a persons mental state or to the extent of pushing other people to play on it in an attempt to create a situation like has been presented. I think suicide, talking about it, or any such nonsense is dumb, but it is apparent in the world we live in that it can be taken to far and it has and the last place it should be done is here. Drunk or not you are responsible for your actions as you decided to drink, no one forced you. I rarely post on forums but this is bulls*** and the CSM should be punished for it. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
187
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:37:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:Thankfully no one else in here has ever said anything dumb while drunk as all hell.
In vino veritas.
He's a guy who mixes up real life and Eve constantly and calls himself a sadist. Why is anyone surprised at what he said once the alcohol got his guard down?
Oh and by the way, is THIS what it means to be "Machiavellian" in the "modern sense?" His idea of being a smooth operator is to get trashed and make an idiot out of himself on a live stream? The people who should really be disappointed are those that bought into the idea that this guy was professional in any respect when it comes to politics. No, being the biggest nerd of all in the biggest group in an internet spaceshipz game does not a pro politician make. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1134
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:22:00 -
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The unfortunate side of this is that he has set CCP, the CSM and public perception of Eve Online back quite a bit. What was to be a bonanza of great press over Fanfest now turns out to be an unmitigated PR disaster and we all suffer.
I do quite a bit of trolling in game and on forums, and am a nasty pirate in Eve, but I would never do something like that and certainly do not support his actions CCP has rededicated themselves to improving Eve and are by and large doing a terrific job at it. My personal faith in them is largely restored. I think the coming changes will revitalize Eve and bring joy to the masses. |
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Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
895
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:30:00 -
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Darius III, a man who hasn't contributed anything to eve online or its community ever and reknowned for breaking NDA his last term throwing stones in glass houses. |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
895
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:32:00 -
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The stench of desperation fills the air. Either that or D3 needs a change of pants |
Brisco County
The Shadow Plague BLACK-MARK
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:58:00 -
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If Mittani resigns, 10,000 pod pilots, including myself, will have no voice in the CSM.
Why, because he said something mean?
That is exactly why I voted for him. |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:15:00 -
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Darius III wrote: [Insert Gobble Gobble Here]
Yet a show like 'Top Gear', who has a certain presenter by the name of Jeremy Clarkson, rakes in more views by being controversial. Sometimes bad PR can be good PR. |
Lenni Lennipe
Gladuim Quinque
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:16:00 -
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Magnus Orin wrote:Elson Tamar wrote:http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-26-ccp-launches-investigation-after-eve-online-fanfest-panel-accused-of-mocking-suicidal-player
That CSM member dosn't represent me.
Don't need to say anymore do I? ~ 10,058 ~
LOL Shall we vote again, ladies and gentlemen? Just run the mechanism all over again real fast? Whaddya say, CCP? Got the sack to do it? |
Hrald
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
82
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:38:00 -
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I voted on both my accounts for Dovinian. I'll lend my alt's vote to The Mittani if somehow there is a runoff election. |
Hrald
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
82
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:39:00 -
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On the plus side, this may spawn more Xenuria vids. |
Elson Tamar
Lion Investments
116
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:49:00 -
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Well he's apologised and said he was in the wrong. Thats good enough for me if he does somthing positive with his position now. Now we just have to see how Sony feels about all of this. |
Jon Lucien
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:56:00 -
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Elson Tamar wrote:Well he's apologised and said he was in the wrong. Thats good enough for me if he does somthing positive with his position now. Now we just have to see how Sony feels about all of this. Edit: Sorry need to make it clear that i think that rather than punish him he should step up and use his position to encourage positivity, stripping him of the chair of CSM will just lead to more shooting of statues and forum rage, where as if he where to use this as a chance to promote positivity within gaming (Im not saying stop being a douche in game, I mean to make sure that things dont go too far.). I might also add i have always been a huge fan of mittens (up to this point) and thought that things like the gallante ice interdiction and sucicide ganking are all part of the game, also that the last CSM chaired by him where a huge positive for the game. What he did while drunk however is indefensable, hell he dosn't even defend it. Might be worth some positivity and how we can go forward from this rather than flame on we ten dto get on the forums. I may look foolish for having my opinion, and my spelling may be terrible, however please try and keep it constructive. If only due to the fact that at the mnoment the gaming press are looking at our community and probably trawling thease forums for bite sized quotes. Edit: look up Stewert Lees comedy sketch on Top Gear, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0i0RXMvzMs it's quite funny and make you look at it in a very different light.
You're defending a cyber-bully and terrible person, and therefore YOU are a cyber-bully and all around terrible person. You should be ashamed of your vicarious actions through mittens-while-drunk and should probably step down from your position as poster and seriously consider the harm you have caused people. Mittens has never done anything good how DARE you defend him. |
Allataria
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:08:00 -
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In related news easily butthurt prudes are easily butthurt. |
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