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Nebulous
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Posted - 2008.09.07 21:14:00 -
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/skynews/20080907/tuk-hamilton-suffers-f1-title-blow-45dbed5.html
Just seen the above story and I've got to say I'm a bit annoyed, having watched the race I can't see why they penalised Hamilton, even if he did gain a slight edge on Raikkonen, (which I don't think he did) Raikkonen stuffed his car into the barrier anyway.
Last week Massa was seen driving dangerously in the pits, however as usual Ferrari escape scot free while Mclaren carry on being punished for so much as farting in the wrong direction, maybe i'm paranoid but it seems to me like certain officials are in Ferrari's pockets.
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The TX
Gallente Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.09.07 21:37:00 -
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As harsh as everything seems to be - this will all make Lewis' victory in the Driver's Champy all that much more glorious when he wins!
COME ON HAMILTON!!!!
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Leena Raphael
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Posted - 2008.09.07 21:56:00 -
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Bloody disgraceful if you ask me. Hamilton even slowed down to let Kimi re-pass him so how he gained an advantage I have no idea!
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Spawinte
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.09.07 22:18:00 -
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You're not paranoid, the chief race steward has ties to Ferrari and this was highlighted when he was appointed. But this is only a small part of the problem.
The problem with F1 is that its fanbase is heavily tilted to one team, even in Britain there are a lot of Ferrari fans. More disturbing is that a lot of this fanbase only follows F1 to see how well Ferrari do and would stop watching if they ever pulled out of F1. It's not that the officials favour Ferrari the problem is they dare not make rulings against them. -----
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QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.09.07 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: The TX As harsh as everything seems to be - this will all make Lewis' victory in the Driver's Champy all that much more glorious when he wins!
COME ON HAMILTON!!!!
Not gonna happen. Massa will nail Hamilton and take the title.
Go FELIPE!
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Diego Hernandez
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.09.07 23:28:00 -
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That decision is a joke. End of.
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Victor Vision
Amarr Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2008.09.07 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Spawinte You're not paranoid, the chief race steward has ties to Ferrari and this was highlighted when he was appointed. But this is only a small part of the problem.
The problem with F1 is that its fanbase is heavily tilted to one team, even in Britain there are a lot of Ferrari fans. More disturbing is that a lot of this fanbase only follows F1 to see how well Ferrari do and would stop watching if they ever pulled out of F1. It's not that the officials favour Ferrari the problem is they dare not make rulings against them.
Erm, Bernie is English (Just as McLaren is an English Team and Hamilton is an English driver) - and he runs the show.
Still, a strange decision by the stewards - I think Hamilton did gain a slight advantage - but the penalty was too harsh.
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Nebulous
Minmatar Thukker Insurgents
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Posted - 2008.09.08 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Vision
Originally by: Spawinte You're not paranoid, the chief race steward has ties to Ferrari and this was highlighted when he was appointed. But this is only a small part of the problem.
The problem with F1 is that its fanbase is heavily tilted to one team, even in Britain there are a lot of Ferrari fans. More disturbing is that a lot of this fanbase only follows F1 to see how well Ferrari do and would stop watching if they ever pulled out of F1. It's not that the officials favour Ferrari the problem is they dare not make rulings against them.
Erm, Bernie is English (Just as McLaren is an English Team and Hamilton is an English driver) - and he runs the show.
Still, a strange decision by the stewards - I think Hamilton did gain a slight advantage - but the penalty was too harsh.
I think it's safe to say that Bernie ecclstone is one of the most anti british people in Formula 1, his relentless campaign to scrap silverstone and if he had all his way he would have seen the UK without a GP at all, lets not forget his call for Max Mosley to resign for reasons unknown to me, just cos someone likes being whipped and beat in his own time does not mean he is uncapable of being in charge, it's also hypocriticle that he would criticize someone for this while himself parading around like some dirty old man with women a quarter of his age.
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Spawinte
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.09.08 08:13:00 -
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I was referring to the Ferrari bias mentioned by the OP if you would bother to read his post again. -----
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2008.09.08 08:31:00 -
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Yesterday's decision was very unjust and does highlight a bias toward the Prancing Stallion. People go off the road plenty, forced off as often and yet nothing is ever made of it (usually the first turn after a GP start has lots of cars going off track). The fact is Hamilton crossed the line 1st, by a good margin, and the Ferrari International Arsekissers have drastically altered the championship for something that wasn't even a mistake. Hamilton clearly relinquished the place he gained by going off road.
After the fiasco of the last season which I personally pretty much wrote off, I'm tempted to just boycott at least the rest of this season. A sport where only one team is allowed to win isn't much fun to watch. This is just me venting, but I am starting to believe Ferrari are turning F1 into the same sordid sport Fiorentina, Juventus and Lazio have turned their football league into. -------------
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Suze'Rain
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:22:00 -
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one of the best f1 races I've watched in a long time, ruined by being blatantly rigged by the FIA.
frankly, it's an obscene travesty, given that he visibly backed off and let raikonnen pass before the start-finish line. given last year Hamilton was penalised for not backing off on making a pass, it screams of double standards. if I were one for conspiracy theories, I'd say that the son of a certain fascist politician well-known for his racist views might be trying to throw more spanners in the works to prevent a talented black sportsman winning....
plus, it's a well-known fact that Ron Dennis and Max Mosely have pretty much hated each other for close on 30 years... it certainly seems that the witch-hunt against mclaren of recent years has just reached insane proportions. They might as well take a leaf out of the world wrestling's book, and simply decide who wins beforehand, the way its going.
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SeismicForce
The Shadow Order Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.09.08 12:59:00 -
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Hamilton let Massa ahead, maybe a car length, then overtook him straight away again, so not much of an advantage given back. He was obviously so much quicker, he should have waited a corner or two then overtaken, and we wouldn't have this discussion.
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.09.08 13:05:00 -
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Why people still are watching that steaming pile of bull is beyond me anyway. Seriously, I can't even remember when exactly the whole bunch started to go rapidly downhill.
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2008.09.08 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: P'uck Why people still are watching that steaming pile of bull is beyond me anyway. Seriously, I can't even remember when exactly the whole bunch started to go rapidly downhill.
In fairness, despite a relatively non-eventful middle stint, the race was fun and interesting to watch. Spa is a great circuit, Eau Rouge one of motorsport's most challenging corners. The last few laps of the race were exhilerating and action packed and showcased the talents of the worlds finest drivers behind the wheels of the fastest cars.
The problem isn't the racing, it's the FIA and the politics. Every sport needs rules and regulation, especially wiith F1 at the peak of world motor sports. However rulings like that of yesterday, the fiasco of last years 'scandal' and so on are truly killing the sport. The championship is being decided by stewards and marshalls instead of drivers and pit lane teams. -------------
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.09.08 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: KingsGambit The problem isn't the racing, it's the FIA and the politics.
imho thats a a bit of a contradiction, because the FIA is killing off the racing, which was my whole point.
NOT watching is a good way to vote for a change.
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cold lazarus
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.09.08 19:42:00 -
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bah though it was something about Peter Hamilton, not crappy F1 :/ shoulda read the title, or who posted it :P
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Nebulous
Minmatar Thukker Insurgents
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Posted - 2008.09.08 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: cold lazarus bah though it was something about Peter Hamilton, not crappy F1 :/ shoulda read the title, or who posted it :P
OMFG GET THE **** OUT MY THREAD!!
P.S. Who in gods name is peter hamilton?
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Eran Laude
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.09.08 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous
Originally by: cold lazarus bah though it was something about Peter Hamilton, not crappy F1 :/ shoulda read the title, or who posted it :P
OMFG GET THE **** OUT MY THREAD!!
P.S. Who in gods name is peter hamilton?
You play on internet spaceships and you haven't heard of Peter F. Hamilton!!?
Shame on you sir!
He's a British sci-fi novellist, absolutely bloody superb. Check it out.
Anyways, yes it was an absolute disgrace. McLaren have been the better team this year and now they are being threatened with having the driver's championship being handed on a plate to their arch-rivals for no good reason.
IMHO The teams should consider leaving and sponsoring the creation of a new authority and racing standard that focuses more on the quality of racing than stewardship and officials.
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Nadija
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2008.09.09 00:00:00 -
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I really enjoyed the end of the race, with everyone driving round like grandmas & kimi crashing out
But the penalty to hamilton totally runied it! the FIA & Stewards have no clue what they are doing, yet again politics & stupid rules come before the fans & the sport! Suppling razor blades to Emos everywhere since 2006Ö |
Baldour Ngarr
Interwarp Plexus Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2008.09.09 00:48:00 -
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Imagine the run-off area is not there, and a wall borders the edge of the chicane. Hamilton has to slow virtually to a standstill, in order to stay on the road and not hit the wall. That leaves him so far behind Raikkonen that he has no chance whatever of getting into his slipstream and overtaking him at La Source.
Because he used the run-off area, he was in fact able to do exactly that. It's hard to see how anyone can argue that this does not constitute "gaining an advantage from using the run-off area."
At least, that's the argument put forward by those ex-F1-drivers who say that they knew immediately Hamilton made his overtaking move, that it was going to land him in bother. I bow to their superior knowledge, both of the rules and of how to drive the damn things - I've never sat in one.
A more experienced driver, perhaps, would have realise he was going to get past Raikkonen within the next half lap anyway, and just let him lead round La Source so that nobody could possibly argue. ________________________________________________
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Dmian
Gallente Starline Engineering Corporation
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Posted - 2008.09.09 00:56:00 -
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The proof that he did nothing wrong is that even Spanish commentators on TV said nothing about the incident... (When Lewis cut the chicane, they said "he has to let Kimi pass!", and when he did, they said nothing more.) The problem here is that how you let your opponent pass is subject to interpretation. How much slower do the pilot have to go? For how long? If they had a button (much like the pit lane button) that they have to press if the cut a chicane, and said button acts for X seconds limiting the engine power by X km/h (or by X HPs), then the problem will be over...
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Baldour Ngarr
Interwarp Plexus Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2008.09.09 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dmian (When Lewis cut the chicane, they said "he has to let Kimi pass!", and when he did, they said nothing more.)
And actually, they were wrong. The rule is not just that you cannot gain a place; it is that you cannot gain an advantage. ________________________________________________
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Xen Gin
Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2008.09.09 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Dmian (When Lewis cut the chicane, they said "he has to let Kimi pass!", and when he did, they said nothing more.)
And actually, they were wrong. The rule is not just that you cannot gain a place; it is that you cannot gain an advantage.
Yeah, but had Ferrari done this what he did, nothing would have happened to them. you know it, I know it, every stinking corrupt official that is the FIA knows it.
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QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.09.09 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: Nadija I really enjoyed the end of the race, with everyone driving round like grandmas & kimi crashing out
But the penalty to hamilton totally runied it! the FIA & Stewards have no clue what they are doing, yet again politics & stupid rules come before the fans & the sport!
They made the right call. Lewis gained an advantage by overtaking straight after letting Kimi through. The biased Hamilton fans will argue until blue in the face, but for once the FIA made a good call. Let's not forget that Hamilton has a habit of bending and breaking rules and has got away lightly previously. Now he finally get's hit with appropriate punishment, he's moaning and crying.
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Nigel Sheldon
Caldari ADAMA Corps Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.09.09 21:22:00 -
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STATEMENT FROM MCLAREN F1 RACING
Quote: Martin Whitmarsh said: "Following our decision to register our intention to appeal the penalty handed out to Lewis Hamilton by the FIA Stewards at the 2008 Belgian Grand Prix, we hereby confirm that we have now lodged notice of appeal. Lewis describes the incident as follows." Lewis Hamilton said: "In the closing stages of the race I was catching Kimi (Raikkonen) consistently, lap by lap, and with three laps remaining I got close enough to attempt to overtake him on the entry to the last chicane. I managed to get slightly ahead of him in the braking area for the first apex of the chicane. He fought back approaching the second apex - but, in doing so, he left no room for me on the inside line. The only way for me to avoid a collision was therefore to cut inside the second apex. "I came out of the second apex in front of Kimi and so I momentarily lifted-off on the straight, to ensure that Kimi got back in front. The team also came on the radio and instructed me to allow Kimi to repass, which I had already done. As a result, Kimi crossed the start/finish line ahead of me and 6.7km/h quicker than me. "After allowing Kimi to completely repass, I crossed from the left side of the track to the right side of the track, passing behind Kimi in the process. I then attacked Kimi on the inside of the first corner, and successfully outbraked him." Martin Whitmarsh added: "From the pit wall, we then asked Race Control to confirm that they were comfortable that Lewis had allowed Kimi to repass, and they confirmed twice that they believed that the position had been given back in a manner that was 'okay'. "If Race Control had instead expressed any concern regarding LewisĘs actions at that time, we would have instructed Lewis to allow Kimi to repass for a second time."
If race control says it's ok then I can't see a problem with the appeal....
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Xen Gin
Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2008.09.09 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nigel Sheldon STATEMENT FROM MCLAREN F1 RACING
Quote: Martin Whitmarsh said: "Following our decision to register our intention to appeal the penalty handed out to Lewis Hamilton by the FIA Stewards at the 2008 Belgian Grand Prix, we hereby confirm that we have now lodged notice of appeal. Lewis describes the incident as follows." Lewis Hamilton said: "In the closing stages of the race I was catching Kimi (Raikkonen) consistently, lap by lap, and with three laps remaining I got close enough to attempt to overtake him on the entry to the last chicane. I managed to get slightly ahead of him in the braking area for the first apex of the chicane. He fought back approaching the second apex - but, in doing so, he left no room for me on the inside line. The only way for me to avoid a collision was therefore to cut inside the second apex. "I came out of the second apex in front of Kimi and so I momentarily lifted-off on the straight, to ensure that Kimi got back in front. The team also came on the radio and instructed me to allow Kimi to repass, which I had already done. As a result, Kimi crossed the start/finish line ahead of me and 6.7km/h quicker than me. "After allowing Kimi to completely repass, I crossed from the left side of the track to the right side of the track, passing behind Kimi in the process. I then attacked Kimi on the inside of the first corner, and successfully outbraked him." Martin Whitmarsh added: "From the pit wall, we then asked Race Control to confirm that they were comfortable that Lewis had allowed Kimi to repass, and they confirmed twice that they believed that the position had been given back in a manner that was 'okay'. "If Race Control had instead expressed any concern regarding LewisĘs actions at that time, we would have instructed Lewis to allow Kimi to repass for a second time."
If race control says it's ok then I can't see a problem with the appeal....
Hey, Good find. Finally starting to show some of the truth.
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Nadija
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2008.09.10 22:02:00 -
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Also Hamilton wasn;t the only victim of some dodgy steward descion making... Timo Glock lost his 8th place, cuz apprently he over took mark webber under yellow flags, eventhough he has past the yellow flag zone b4 making the pass Suppling razor blades to Emos everywhere since 2006Ö |
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