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Harrigan VonStudly
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
13
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:45:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ I'm kind of curious. In the United States, if a lawyer were found to be this insulting towards someone, knowing full well that they were claiming thoughts of suicide and were claiming they'd go through with it, the lawyer would be having a little ol' BAR hearing if it was found out the lawyer acted improperly (i.e., insulting him and pushing him to actually perform the action of taking his own life). I'm rather curious as to how much it will suck for you if your local BAR (or whatever) found out...
Mittens being a lawyer has what to do with any of this? Does that fact make it more serious if he were, say, a chef?
People in New York city gather around the sidewalk when someone is standing on the window ledge threatening to jump from the 'umteenth' floor and yell, "jump, jump, jump, jump," repeatedly. No one is responsible for someone committing suicide. If someone is so mentally unstable that they kill them self over a game they had much much bigger problems and players of the game working within game mechanics and valid game play methods are not the cause.
Agree or disagree with the cooth of what was said the only person responsible for killing them self is THE person committing the self murder.
su-+i-+cide/-êso-Poi-îs-½d/ Noun: The action of killing oneself intentionally: "he committed suicide at the age of forty". Verb: Intentionally kill oneself. Synonyms: noun. self-destruction - self-murder verb. take one's own life - make away with oneself |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:45:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Jade;
I would have been fine with an apology if he had offered it either immediately after he sobered up and realized what he had done, or latest when there first was an outrage. After the "deal with it" comment, I am not so sure there is any way I can justify to myself supporting an organization that leaves him in charge. I will consider it, but this is not a case where I want to quit over this - it's just I am not sure I can feel good about myself if I put money into supporting such things, when the apology would obviously not come from his true feelings but be a PR charade supposed to appease cases like me.
I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this - even for those of them who do not feel that he did anything wrong as such. As someone given the trust of so many he should have in the very least realized that there would be an outrage by players not in his voting body, and played it more nicely.
He's been in the CSM for some time now. Like it or not, he is not "just a player" anymore at events like the Fanfest, and will not be able to be that for some time. He should have acted accordingly. His voters should have been able to trust that he does. Self-proclaimed egotistical jerk acts like egotistical jerk. Water is wet, and fire is discovered to be hot. News at 11. |
EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
252
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:45:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Xython wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Orkasm wrote:
You really are special arn't you, Do you actually lick windows for fun?
You mad because I can walk away from an MMO and you can't? But you're not walking away, are you? You're saying how much you're going to walk away on the forums. Two laws: 1. Anyone saying they're going to kill themselves in a bilateral communication medium (forum, phone, etc) is likely not actually suicidal, they are looking for a reaction. 2. Anyone saying they're going to quit an MMORPG is not actually going to quit the MMORPG, they're just looking for a reaction. Yes I am walking away from the game. But I will also continue posting here because suicide and bullying is a serious issue that needs addressing and I am dismayed by CCP's lacklustre response. Trust me, you won't see me ingame.
you are threatening e-suicide because someone who threatened suicide was not defended fast enough
this thread has just gone meta |
OfBalance
Caldari State
249
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:45:00 -
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Liberal media conspiracy! |
Wuxi Wuxilla
Wuxi Corporation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:46:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this
Wait, what? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2293
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:48:00 -
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Zleon Leigh wrote:Xython wrote:Random thought: What's Iceland's Cyber Bullying law state about this? Since this took place in Iceland? And thus American law means diddly ******* SQUAT.
What's that? Iceland doesn't have one?
Sucks to be you, pubbie morons! Looks like you're stuck with the Mittani Mandate for another year. Since, you know, HE GOT MORE VOTES THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE CSM.
CCP's Atlanta office might open them up to US law...
Except that there were no laws broken. It's not illegal to make fun of stupid people.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Shandir
Ferocious Felines
58
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:48:00 -
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Tepron wrote:Cyber-bullying is only really tragic due to some parents inability to teach their kids how to separate reality from fiction. Wrong. Very very wrong. Bullying is bullying regardless of context and it has no place in society. Anyone who condones or apologises this behavior is scum, pure and simple. That now includes you.
I think we all know that the person being mocked was probably not serious, but that gives you the right to ignore them - not the right to see how far you can push them. Because you cannot know that, and it's the cases (and they exist) where the person was serious that matter.
People on the internet are still people. Sometimes we forget that. It's not okay. |
stoicfaux
817
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:48:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote: Yes I am walking away from the game. But I will also continue posting here because suicide and bullying is a serious issue that needs addressing and I am dismayed by CCP's lacklustre response. Trust me, you won't see me ingame.
Dude, CCP just got back from fanfest to find a steaming pile of poo on their doorstep. Give them some time to get themselves organized, to investigate, and to decide on their response before condemning them. After all, hastily spoken and poorly considered words are what started this avalanche.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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OfBalance
Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:48:00 -
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It's ok guys, we've got damage control over on TheEscapist:
Quote:Haha, none of you neckbeards have even watched the presentation.
:BOOSH:
(And let's hope they don't because goddamn it was boring as hell otherwise) |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
343
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:48:00 -
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Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this
Wait, what?
I don't feel betrayed by him at all. He represents the best of EVE. |
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
70
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:49:00 -
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Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this
Wait, what? Which part was unclear?
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Wuxi Wuxilla
Wuxi Corporation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:50:00 -
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Xython wrote:Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this
Wait, what? I don't feel betrayed by him at all. He represents the best of EVE.
No, he doesn't.
Not necessarily a bad thing though. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2293
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:50:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this
Wait, what? Which part was unclear?
The part where you think everybody who voted for him feels betrayed.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
98
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:50:00 -
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The longer CCP takes to get a stance in this issue the more credebility they will lose.
As per their own rules enticement to harassement is not allowed. Mittens called out to harass. Be the player unstable or not doesn't matter.
Also saying he was there as CEO of Goonswarm and not as CSM chair holds no bar. At this moment he can't be seen apart from the chair and as such has certain guidelines to follow. he chose not to.
Saying it was drunk banther also doesn't cut it. Nobody forced him to to get drunk and step over the line. Both choices were made by him. Even though the choice to cross the line might be influenced by his drinking the drinking happened on his own account. Nobody forced him to get drunk.
As for intent. He brought that particular mail to the presentation. This was deliberate as to ridicule that player. Any actions, expressions or discourse after this was a result of a deliberate action to ridicule a player. Since we also are fully aware of Goonswarm and pet's sort of playstyle the mere mention of his name and the mail would already result in overly ganking and scamming attention to that player by Goonswarm and pets.
By blatantly calling out to harass that player and giving that players ingame details he crossed a line which according to the rules isn't crossable.
Let's see how they will wiggle their way out of this one.
Edit: Also calling out howmany voted for him is irrelevant. The votes were in before the incident. Want to take a new vote and see howmany accounts will vote less for him now? |
Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:51:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this
Wait, what? Which part was unclear?
I am Part of the 10k I am not betrayed, Please amend your figure.
DEAR LEADER. |
thekiller2002us
Order of Celestial Knights S I L E N T.
85
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:51:00 -
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Xython wrote:Random thought: What's Iceland's Cyber Bullying law state about this? Since this took place in Iceland? And thus American law means diddly ******* SQUAT.
What's that? Iceland doesn't have one?
Iceland may not have laws- but they do adhere to EU laws that contain laws on cyber bullying. Dont ask me to provide you a link- google it yourself- i'm not lazy- its just that trying to get goons to retain information is like trying to make water stay in a sieve- it just never happens. I'm with Brick on this one- make thouse carebearing b******s squeal.. |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
93
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:51:00 -
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Duvida wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If The Mittani does in fact survive this, should I be impressed by his political/survival skills, or should I be disappointed that CCP failed to deal with the issue properly? I don't think that there will be much left of this 'career'. The media is involved. Right at the moment of this post, it's only MMO-news sites. But as cyber-bullying has been a tragic issue for some time now, the major outlets will likely have articles on it as well. Politicial attention will be gained, and not favorably. This is all going to happen if nothing further occurs. And we hope that the cyberbully victim does get help, heals and is able to work out a better path of life for himself. ^ Pritty much this.
If for some reason one of the big news traders has no better "news" he might tigger this and once it is in the real world media ... can CCP realy keep a CSM Chairman like him when someone uses http://ireport.cnn.com/ for excample?
8:00 pm news: "CSM Chairman calls to hersam a suizidal guy till he kills himselve"? Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Wuxi Wuxilla
Wuxi Corporation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:51:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this
Wait, what? Which part was unclear?
No, no. Everything was quite easy to understand - that's exactly why I'm grinning. |
OfBalance
Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:51:00 -
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Them Duke boys are in trouble now~! |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
183
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:51:00 -
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I wonder what sony is going to think and say about this.
thats the Multi million dollar question. |
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
343
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:52:00 -
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Shandir wrote:Tepron wrote:Cyber-bullying is only really tragic due to some parents inability to teach their kids how to separate reality from fiction. Wrong. Very very wrong. Bullying is bullying regardless of context and it has no place in society. Anyone who condones or apologises this behavior is scum, pure and simple. That now includes you. I think we all know that the person being mocked was probably not serious, but that gives you the right to ignore them - not the right to see how far you can push them. Because you cannot know that, and it's the cases (and they exist) where the person was serious that matter. People on the internet are still people. Sometimes we forget that. It's not okay.
I just realized this is the same argument that these pubbie idiots had about Suicide Ganking and Scamming and really anything that happens in the Sandbox other than "I AM HIT MACRO BUTTON, AM GET TEH FAT LOOT."
"Goons shot my ice bot, meanies!"
"Goons shot my rookie ship carrying 75 plexes, meanies!"
"Goons sold me a nonexistant Titan cause I'm too stupid to check or use escrow, meanies!"
"Goons mocked the morbidly obese king of all Ice Bots (22 accounts are you ******* kidding me) after he tried to guilt trip them, meanies!"
Have you guys ever considered the only common thread behind all these is that you need to harden the **** up? |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
80
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:52:00 -
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Thread naught rolls on! |
baltec1
868
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:52:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Which part was unclear?
The part where you spoke for 10,000 other people. |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
527
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:52:00 -
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KEEP ON CHOOGLIN
EnderCapitalAsshole |
OfBalance
Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:53:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:I wonder what sony is going to think and say about this.
thats the Multi million dollar question.
"Have you re-considered our expansive RMT scheme?" |
Townsend Harris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
22
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:53:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Xython wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Orkasm wrote:
You really are special arn't you, Do you actually lick windows for fun?
You mad because I can walk away from an MMO and you can't? But you're not walking away, are you? You're saying how much you're going to walk away on the forums. Two laws: 1. Anyone saying they're going to kill themselves in a bilateral communication medium (forum, phone, etc) is likely not actually suicidal, they are looking for a reaction. 2. Anyone saying they're going to quit an MMORPG is not actually going to quit the MMORPG, they're just looking for a reaction. Yes I am walking away from the game. But I will also continue posting here because suicide and bullying is a serious issue that needs addressing and I am dismayed by CCP's lacklustre response. Trust me, you won't see me ingame. Get out already will you..... |
Aileren
Aliastra Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:53:00 -
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Zleon Leigh wrote:Xython wrote:Random thought: What's Iceland's Cyber Bullying law state about this? Since this took place in Iceland? And thus American law means diddly ******* SQUAT.
What's that? Iceland doesn't have one?
Sucks to be you, pubbie morons! Looks like you're stuck with the Mittani Mandate for another year. Since, you know, HE GOT MORE VOTES THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE CSM.
CCP's Atlanta office might open them up to US law...
Where'd you get your law degree?
They're going to prosecute Mittens, but right now they're too busy dealing with Andrew W. K., and Timbaland, oh and Reginald Edison
http://twitter.com/#!/J_Rock_daddy/statuses/145880784237105152
oh and this girl too
http://twitter.com/#!/adoringomez/status/184369892735197185
her too
http://twitter.com/#!/ItsSLI
Sorry, I think they're just too backed up right now to get to internet spaceships, once they've gotten though the backlog of twitter I'm sure they'll get to him. |
EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
252
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:53:00 -
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thekiller2002us wrote:Xython wrote:Random thought: What's Iceland's Cyber Bullying law state about this? Since this took place in Iceland? And thus American law means diddly ******* SQUAT.
What's that? Iceland doesn't have one?
Iceland may or may not have cyber bullying laws- but they are a member state of the European Union and the EU have laws on cyber bullying. Dont ask me to provide you a link- google it yourself- i'm not lazy- its just that trying to get goons to retain information is like trying to make water stay in a sieve- it just never happens.
it's ok if i harass goons but goons aren't allowed to harass anyone ever |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
70
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:53:00 -
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Xython wrote:Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: I am truly sorry for the 10k voters who were betrayed by him like this
Wait, what? I don't feel betrayed by him at all. He represents the best of EVE. Think about this: even if you do not think he did anything wrong, a lot of people in EVE, in the community he is supposed to represent, by your vote and your mandate, do. He is an experienced CSM member; he should have been aware that there are some rules of conduct and that what he does will cause an outrage. He has caused serious damage to the game by the media scandal.
I think that counts as "betrayal" even if you agree with the initial action. You might not have been able to expect the reaction of the playerbase or the media - but he should have, if he was worthy of your trust as a representative of the game and its community. |
Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:54:00 -
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I'm calling 50 pages easy, not sure about 75 before the pubbie kiddies have to go to bed. |
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