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Angel Lightbringer
Caldari Dark Evolution Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.05 18:06:00 -
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Edited by: Angel Lightbringer on 05/09/2008 18:11:53
Originally by: Thuranni Wow, you sure take this game seriously.
Yeah, one of the usual difference between the griefers and the others. Including, but not limited to, talking about pixels, saying it's a game.
After reading this thread and last weeks overall forum experience, I come to a personal conclusion that this game needs a brain. It does but also needs a clue and common sense. Now I know one can come without the others. Thanks trolls, you teached me something deep, which goes beyond gaming.
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Sol'Kanar
Minmatar Repo Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.05 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Angel Lightbringer Edited by: Angel Lightbringer on 05/09/2008 18:11:53
Originally by: Thuranni Wow, you sure take this game seriously.
Yeah, one of the usual difference between the griefers and the others. Including, but not limited to, talking about pixels, saying it's a game.
After reading this thread and last weeks overall forum experience, I come to a personal conclusion that this game needs a brain. It does but also needs a clue and common sense. Now I know one can come without the others. Thanks trolls, you teached me something deep, which goes beyond gaming.
Well, they are pixels and it is a game. Maybe you should try lightening up some time?
As to your second paragraph, I have absolutely no clue what you are trying to say.
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2008.09.05 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 05/09/2008 17:53:26 Ahh so once the shuttle thats in "your" space is tackled. You check his employment history to make sure he is not a noob coming to 0.0 to see what its like?
You do do this yes?
And once youve assertained he is a noob you of course you also ask him to turn around and go back the way the came before popping him.
You do this yes?
NBSI and SOV SPACE is the excuse for "leet" 0.0 pvpers to blob anyone who jumps though the gate. Utilising bubbles, insta lock webbs, and overwhelming firepower they barbeques anyone who dares jump though the gate - then backslap themselves that
"THAT NOOB SHUTTLE COULD HAVE BEEN COMING TO PICK UP HIS TITAN.. PHEW... WELL DONE GUYS WE GOT HIM"
Its total bullshit.
In your example, yes there is a difference.
You see im killing the noob shuttle for his cargo. For profit. So yes there is a point. Your killing a noob shuttle because youve been told to camp the gate by your FC for some fake motive.
Still if it makes you feel better about being a small drone in your alliance to roleplay the "honurable end game pvper" then so be it.
SKUNK
PS if there is an off grid SS battleship on scan go probe it out and steal it.
What alliance am I in skunk?
2 years ago I flew with IRON. It was fun and I learned a lot. One thing I learned was that I don't care about alliance politics. I don't like being told to camp a gate and NBSI it. So I'm not in IRON or any other alliance. I'm the leader of my own tiny little corp and I like it that way.
You can prattle all day, but you're a filthy piwate whiner and you know it. Since that was my only real point, I'm done here.
I don't agree with you, but I'm not trying to force my opinion on you either so I'm not sure why you have a problem here.
______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational" |
Mihailo Great
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Posted - 2008.09.05 18:48:00 -
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non-consensual pvp is like non-consensual sex
it's ****
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Seleene Diago
Polished Diamond Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.05 18:49:00 -
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I thought "non-consensual PVP" was like ****. No one likes it when it happens to them but some people enjoy doing it.
long story short keep you're e-honor out of my game.
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Xonkra
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.05 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: Xonkra on 05/09/2008 18:53:46 THIS JUST IN !
ITS ONLY A GAME !
seriously why do people get so psycho about tis stuff
everyone is free to do their thing so stfu or pay for my monthly fee
/threadhug --------- Founder of the Hug-a-troll initiative Hug a forum troll because they can probably use it ! |
Sinistra Arc
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.09.05 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake
No, this game isn't "going carebear". Over the years game mechanics have been tweaked, but for the most part those tweaks have not put any kind of stop to high sec ganking. In fact, it's much more common now then it was in '05. The sad part is that the current majority of it seems to be against targets that can't possibly fight back. How f*cking sad is that?
If there is an easy-mode way of doing something you can bet that someone will take advantage of that. Once that easy-mode is found, the bandwagon will follow. SOP for any MMO. Shit, SOP in RL too. I imagine EVE is no different in that respect.
As much allure as there is to live and breath and die in the 0.0 Corporation warzones, there is an equal amount of allure to gain with the least amount of effort. Honor or no. And that means taking advantage of unsuspecting noobs. Unfortunately.
CCP has a decided interest in engaging and keeping it's newer playerbase even to the point of protecting them (a little bit).
I'll bet CCP thinks that's a helluva lot more important to them that pleasing the irrelevance of scumbags.
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Angel Lightbringer
Caldari Dark Evolution Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.05 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sol'Kanar
Originally by: Angel Lightbringer Edited by: Angel Lightbringer on 05/09/2008 18:11:53
Originally by: Thuranni Wow, you sure take this game seriously.
Yeah, one of the usual difference between the griefers and the others. Including, but not limited to, talking about pixels, saying it's a game.
After reading this thread and last weeks overall forum experience, I come to a personal conclusion that this game needs a brain. It does but also needs a clue and common sense. Now I know one can come without the others. Thanks trolls, you teached me something deep, which goes beyond gaming.
Well, they are pixels and it is a game. Maybe you should try lightening up some time?
I know this, everyone playing video games know this. A problem arise when someone needs to state these facts because he pretend the others don't know. It is always used as lame excuses to griefing/trolling.
Originally by: Sol'Kanar As to your second paragraph, I have absolutely no clue what you are trying to say.
I had the misconception that having a brain meant having a clue and common sense. But now I know that not everyone with a brain have a clue, neither common sense. If you still don't undestand, don't worry too much, move along, much more things to read in other posts.
P.s.: You sig still says nightcrew, while forum info says REPO.... Consistency? -Angel |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.05 19:12:00 -
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Why are there five pages here when this thread simply needs a definition of Non-consensual that I believe you can find in your nearest dictionary.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.09.05 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gaganamurdha I've been putting the "sensual" in "non-consensual PVP" since my first day.
A smarter man than me once said "If you're in a fair fight in EVE, you've done something wrong"
Yes all very witty but this isn't some armor division rolling up a gank, this is EVE where gameplay is supposed to be fun at times. Repeating the same predictable outcome again and again, with little to no chance of anything happening to upset the harvest is just farming, are you a farmer? |
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.09.05 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt Why are there five pages here when this thread simply needs a definition of Non-consensual that I believe you can find in your nearest dictionary.
Because there is a separate debate going on about the point the OP tried to make.
I like that there is room to have honour or not, and I am disappointed that the playerbase took a game with such potential and have done their best to turn it into UT in Space by not having any; but that's the way EVE works, and if the OP doesn't like it he should quit. |
Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.09.05 19:25:00 -
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Edited by: Haradgrim on 05/09/2008 19:25:08
Originally by: An Anarchyyt Why are there five pages here when this thread simply needs a definition of Non-consensual that I believe you can find in your nearest dictionary.
Because EVE's population is divided into two camps; those that want an easy game and those that want a hard game. EvE started (and incidently was successful as a result of) as the former but there are more players now who want the latter (as well as more that can be marketed to), hence the recent and past changes that have dumbed down the game play significantly.
As a result, those of us who came to EVE because it was unapologeticaly merciless to all feel more that a bit displaced and ignored.... |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.05 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn Because there is a separate debate going on about the point the OP tried to make.
I was assuming that his point was to start yet another whine thread, where one type of player whines that they can't do something, and the other type whines that they can't do something that is the opposite of what the first player whined about. So it seemed pretty successful to me. |
K'orbin Hayato
Minmatar Meridian Dynamics Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.09.05 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake
Now, Non-consensual PVP, to me, means that I do not get to pick when and where I can be engaged. This means I might get jumped in a mission, or in low sec or in 0.0 or anywhere in between. It means that I may be flying a hauler when that attack comes, or a faction fitted navy raven, or a shuttle for that matter. It also means that as long as I have enemies, I am not safe. And there are more than enough of those to go around I think.
I agree. Non-consensual pvp happens when one party does not wish to fight.
Quote: What non-consensual PVP DOES NOT mean is that you gank defenseless pilots. It does not mean you can flip a noob and pop his frig. It does not mean waiting for an AFK autopilot to go by so you can gank it. It does not mean picking on targets that are incapable (and you damn well know it) of defending themselves. That is crap, it's boarding on griefing as a play style and most importantly it's pathetic.
That is non-consensual pvp by your own definition. Regardless of whether the attackers expected their target to fight back or not, the target was not ready for a figth or did not expect to get jumped. |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.09.05 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Originally by: Crumplecorn Because there is a separate debate going on about the point the OP tried to make.
I was assuming that his point was to start yet another whine thread, where one type of player whines that they can't do something, and the other type whines that they can't do something that is the opposite of what the first player whined about. So it seemed pretty successful to me.
OP is indeed 50% gameplay flamebait 50% dictionary flamebait. |
Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.09.05 19:38:00 -
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/applauds the OP (But didn't read the rest.)
-- Becq Starforged Ushra'Khan
The Flame of Freedom Burns On! |
Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2008.09.05 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: An Anarchyyt Why are there five pages here when this thread simply needs a definition of Non-consensual that I believe you can find in your nearest dictionary.
Because there is a separate debate going on about the point the OP tried to make.
I like that there is room to have honour or not, and I am disappointed that the playerbase took a game with such potential and have done their best to turn it into UT in Space by not having any; but that's the way EVE works, and if the OP doesn't like it he should quit.
I'm not interested in quiting.
I do find it interesting that people like you have a tendency to say things like " if you don't like it, you should quit" Who the f*ck do you think you are exactly?
All I've done here is express my opinion, I haven't told anyone to do anything, or asked for any changes either to the game or by the player base.
I'm far and away in support of eve being "hard mode". I liked eve a lot more when it was in fact hard mode. Eve is far from being a carebear game, but it's certianly gotten softer than it was at least in respect to a few specific things.
Unlike the majority here I don't think my opinions should be imposed on anyone else. That does not mean I won't express them, talk about them, and debate them. The only people afraid of discussion are those that know they are in the wrong. ______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational" |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.09.05 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake I'm not interested in quiting.
I do find it interesting that people like you have a tendency to say things like " if you don't like it, you should quit" Who the f*ck do you think you are exactly?
All I've done here is express my opinion, I haven't told anyone to do anything, or asked for any changes either to the game or by the player base.
It is true that you didn't tell anyone to do anything or ask for changes. But your OP had ad hominem out the wazoo. Who the f*ck do you think you are, calling people pathetic because of how they play a video game? -
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.09.05 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake
What alliance am I in skunk?
2 years ago I flew with IRON. It was fun and I learned a lot. One thing I learned was that I don't care about alliance politics. I don't like being told to camp a gate and NBSI it. So I'm not in IRON or any other alliance. I'm the leader of my own tiny little corp and I like it that way.
You can prattle all day, but you're a filthy piwate whiner and you know it. Since that was my only real point, I'm done here.
I don't agree with you, but I'm not trying to force my opinion on you either so I'm not sure why you have a problem here.
I dont think you really know what your point is, but as long as your happy playing the game then good for you.
However, I wouldn't post some supercilious gumpf like you did in your OP and expect not to be torn to shreads.
It dosent really matter what you consider honourable in EVE, as long as you stick to it. "Honour" in eve as far as I am concerned means one thing only - sticking to your word.
This means not shooting a blue, and if you agree to something (ransom, not shooting someone, 1v1) then again you stick to it. I dont feel the need to post a thread about it though.
Your definition of honour lies in not shooting noobs in shuttles (despite my unearthing clear evidence of you shooting noobs in shuttles under the false banner of NBSI and SOV protection)
So you've acted counter to your stated opinion of what is honorable. I never have.. and never will.
SKUNK
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Tehopenee
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Posted - 2008.09.05 20:06:00 -
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I think that you are right--I will add this one note--why are the high sec pansy pirates protected by ccp? I mean most are in npc corps and you cant war dec them--then they added the stealing salvage is cool because we dont care that you had to work for it rule. I dont care if someone wants to steal things I work for--how about the chance to shoot the pansys? :) The real pirates are cool and do what pirates do--more power to the low sec and 00 guys. :)
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EpicFailTroll
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Posted - 2008.09.05 20:13:00 -
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Let's have at it once again
"It's only a game" = "Please keep on holding your virtual assets in esteem so i can blowing them up just to gloat about it and make you feel bad! Moreover, you are a moron for caring about them!" People don't all play the same game. - Some play EvE to hoard stuff - Some play EvE to have stuff and fight within the confines of the rules of engagement set by the game - Some play to grief, they don't care about stuff, they just do it the hatemail
The third category is completely despicable. Taking opportunity of the pve/pvp discrepancy, i.e. with any pve element in a game, you have to take npc action all the way so it really reflects interactions of a coherent world (which is not the case in EvE), they abide by the general gameplay to twist all engagements in their favor. They are the ones who have created this blob mentality. Nowadays, normal people think they have to blob to have a chance. And they won't blob if they don't have any gain in sight, since they relate to one of the first two categories.
Griefers don't play the same game as most people do. It's not a game for them, they don't take gameplay seriously, but they care about the RL effect. They don't fight in character, they just use all the tools and technical incoherencies (read: there is no humanlike AI in any game), to make you feel bad IRL. They're metagaming cruds.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.09.05 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: EpicFailTroll - Some play EvE to have stuff and fight within the confines of the rules of engagement set by the game - Some play to grief, they don't care about stuff, they just do it the hatemail
The important point is that these two groups are indistinguishable. -
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Dire Radiant
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Posted - 2008.09.05 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: EpicFailTroll - Some play EvE to have stuff and fight within the confines of the rules of engagement set by the game - Some play to grief, they don't care about stuff, they just do it the hatemail
The important point is that these two groups are indistinguishable.
They both play by the game mechanics ROE. As for distinguishing between grief play and not its pretty easy if you follow the playbook; PVP in Empire is griefing. PVP elsewhere is not!
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Dire Radiant
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Posted - 2008.09.05 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tehopenee I dont care if someone wants to steal things I work for--how about the chance to shoot the pansys? :) The real pirates are cool and do what pirates do--more power to the low sec and 00 guys. :)
Wait... they took out aggression when people steal from your cans? I must have missed the memo!@!@
Yes "Real Pirates" like in the Caribbean are really cool. I think there is a mmo for that too if you wanna play with the cool guys.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.09.05 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dire Radiant
Originally by: Tehopenee I dont care if someone wants to steal things I work for--how about the chance to shoot the pansys? :) The real pirates are cool and do what pirates do--more power to the low sec and 00 guys. :)
Wait... they took out aggression when people steal from your cans? I must have missed the memo!@!@ .
Hes talking about not having any rights on a target if they salvage your npc wrecks.
OFC if they did have rights for this, they wouldn't fire anyway as it would flag them for 15 mins so its a daft thing to ask for.
SKUNK
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EpicFailTroll
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Posted - 2008.09.05 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: EpicFailTroll - Some play EvE to have stuff and fight within the confines of the rules of engagement set by the game - Some play to grief, they don't care about stuff, they just do it the hatemail
The important point is that these two groups are indistinguishable.
I had never seen trolling by plain rebuttal of logic and syntax. Did you miss 'have stuff/don't care about stuff'?
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.09.05 21:09:00 -
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Locke DieDrake for CSM Chair! Locke DieDrake for CSM Chair!! Locke DieDrake for CSM Chair!!! Locke DieDrake for CSM Chair!!!! Locke DieDrake for CSM Chair!!!!! Locke DieDrake for CSM Chair!!!!!! Locke DieDrake for CSM Chair!!!!!!! Locke DieDrake for CSM Chair!!!!!!!!
You have my support. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man. |
Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.09.05 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dire Radiant
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: EpicFailTroll - Some play EvE to have stuff and fight within the confines of the rules of engagement set by the game - Some play to grief, they don't care about stuff, they just do it the hatemail
The important point is that these two groups are indistinguishable.
They both play by the game mechanics ROE. As for distinguishing between grief play and not its pretty easy if you follow the playbook; PVP in Empire is griefing. PVP elsewhere is not!
How is 'PvP in hisec' is griefing, or were you purposefully generalizing without mentioning specifics?
One of the guys in your corp takes some salvage from one of the guys in my corp. We war dec you. We're both hisec corps, so what, now my corps a bunch of griefers?
Your corp keeps running mining ops in my corps home system. Not that the belts aren't free for everyone, sure. But your guys intentionally come three systems over, to mine where we mine, and do so with enough members and hardware to completely mine out all available minerals. We want you to stop, but since we have no combat pilots, we hire a merc corp to fight you. So what, now they are griefers?
Your corp and mine are both 0.0 alliances. Your trying to kick me out of my territory. We fight back, and tromp you to heck and back, but despite beating every combat ship you send at us and destroying your miners and whatnot, you continue to fuel your POS's. With a little corporate sabotage, we find out that every one of your members are running missions in hisec using alts!!! CHEAP! So, we begin to suicide on your hisec alts to finish your exploiting arse off!
Truth is, you CAN'T distinguish the intent of the other party. All you can do in this unsafe world where PvP happens EVERYWHERE, is be ready to fight back or choose to be a victim.
'Griefing', by the way, is when a player or group of players is intentionally trying to ruin your game experience out of spite, with no real in-game value. My corp killing yours because your in the area of space we claim is NOT griefing. Only intentional, deliberate and repeated attacks, usually followed with some hard evidence such as chat logs, can be considered griefing.
How many of you have convinced yourself that there is no carebears in 0.0, and no legitimate PvP in hisec?
Originally by: CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
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NSSQUAD
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Posted - 2008.09.05 21:25:00 -
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guys to tell you the truth i think that even if it inst fair they guy your attacking should be able to fight back. iv seen guys in a ibis get ganked its a sad thing to see. this scares people off from the game. making sure it doesn't get bigger or more experienced pilots to fight.
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Jarvis Hellstrom
Gallente The Flying Tigers United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.05 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Elise Randolph He INVADED in a defenseless shuttle though, by your definition you shouldn't have killed him since - "on his best day" he couldn't have attacked you back. Right? Your thread should have been "I hate people who suicide in high sec" and not "people who shoot defenseless people are deplorable". You've clearly dabbled in the latter.
That's just foolishness - have you EVER been to 0.0?
If you have, you're making a straw man argument intentionally harping upon a point which is irrelevant in context. If you haven't you're entirely ignorant and should exit the conversation when talking with people who know what it is they're talking about - because clearly you do not.
In 0.0 for many/most players metagaming is king. Scout Alts, cyno Alts etc. Many/most of them in NPC corps so their true affliation isn't known.
*I* fly around in shuttles in 0.0 quite frequently and I'm a valid war target to my enemies when I do so for very good reason. I'm flying in a shuttle - to where I'm going. I'll be flying BACK in a combat ship, probably a new combat ship.
It's a logistics run and interrupting those is about as valid as it gets.
It could be a scout run or a cyno run (shuttle in, buy a cyno and frig and *bang* instant cap fleet if the system has no cyno jammers) etc.
Ignoring 'defenseless' ships in 0.0 unless you KNOW the person is a true noob is just downright foolish.
May God stand between you and harm in all the Empty places you must walk
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