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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:25:00 -
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What the hell?
So. This is what happens when you support a game with sites like Eve-files and so forth. You get kicked in the balls by CCP.
Chribba, I say take down all the services you provide until CCP relents. No, wait, that's just punishing the players, and CCP has been doing that enough already.
Sheesh. --------
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: HenkieBoy The CCP employee must be just employed, can some other CCP employee smack his head and make things right?
Fire him. This is worse than T20. At least T20 wasn't hurting the players for no reason other than hurting them. --------
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mixa'Nujemush Xufaye Can remember the first time i saw my first hi sec cap gotta say i think they should stay
sighned/
I never even got to see it. And now I never will, looks like.
Man, it's things like this that make want to not log on. --------
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Durzel
As far as I was aware it is still possible to manufacture capitals in high-sec where there already exists a manufacturing POS (or however it works), perhaps the people who "paid billions for high-sec capitals" are the ones who have brought this rule change upon themselves?
*shrug* It's a shame really, but ultimately one man's benevolence with his capitals in high-sec shouldn't be a green card for more malicious high-sec capital owner antics, if indeed this was happening.
No. No capitals could be produced in hi-sec anymore. And it was impossible to use them maliciously - the instant you did, it got moved to low-sec. This new policy is entirely bullcrap. --------
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: FalconHawk so many problems/bugs to solve and CCP is messing around with historical landmarks/ tourist attractions .... as if there is nothing else to do
and secondly messing around with one of the most famous and liked community members ... is this now the time to **** off the playerbase so they are willing to move to new projects?
My overview is constantly bugged, I still get de-synched, and POS's have all sorts of problems. So what do they do? NERF CHRIBBA!
They need to get a clue. Now. --------
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: Joss Sparq
On a personal note, I was thinking earlier this week that it'd be kind of cool (and perhaps a little dorky) to go on a kind of pilgrimage with my mining Alt (in his Hulk of course) to go see the Veldnought doing what it is famous for doing. Unfortunately, I don't think I'm ever going to get the chance to do that now and I feel a little cheated.
Exactly. It's like CCP are trying to eliminate anything that makes anyone unique or exceptional. They're destroying all the player made history in the game.
The Eve gate, the cemetery, and now the veld-nought. --------
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Let's be honest here. EVE's gameplay isn't the best. It needs some work. But half the reason I stick with the game is because I think you folks at CCP do a good job and genuinely care about the players and what we've done.
You are too generous. I don't. Not anymore. It took them 10 months, but they've successfully convinced me that they're just in it for the money, and could give a crap about the players.
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:14:00 -
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Edited by: Vikarion on 27/08/2008 08:14:48
Originally by: Tom Perrish nice to see how threats are deleted about this issue but no one of ccp have the balls to answear here...
They usually only answer in the fanboi threads anymore. They "explain" this by saying that they get insulted in the complaint threads. Well, after a decision like this, they deserve to get insulted. --------
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:19:00 -
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Edited by: Vikarion on 27/08/2008 08:19:40
Originally by: Tuvar Hiede
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Let's be honest here. EVE's gameplay isn't the best. It needs some work. But half the reason I stick with the game is because I think you folks at CCP do a good job and genuinely care about the players and what we've done.
You are too generous. I don't. Not anymore. It took them 10 months, but they've successfully convinced me that they're just in it for the money, and could give a crap about the players.
Unfortunately I think you are hitting very close to the truth there. But even if that is true, how can this help than make money? detraying their playerbase and doing something that will OF COURSE annoy people. \o/ for CCP f*** ups
Because when you stop caring about your customers, you stop caring about your product. That's why.
To be quite honest, this is CCP symbollically telling the players: "screw you". --------
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Let's be honest here. EVE's gameplay isn't the best. It needs some work. But half the reason I stick with the game is because I think you folks at CCP do a good job and genuinely care about the players and what we've done.
You are too generous. I don't. Not anymore. It took them 10 months, but they've successfully convinced me that they're just in it for the money, and could give a crap about the players.
Well, I'll bet some of them still care - to some extent - about what they're doing. Still...
If they do, they appear to have all the influence and power of a fly.
I was gonna try out their WoD MMO, but I think that's out of the picture at this point. --------
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: bnogo i do believe terianna's statement on, what page 5? i think, nailed it on the head.
the heart is heavy with disappointment. tis a true shame.
That disappointment is rapidly morphing into anger.
Mine sure is. --------
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jimer Lins CCP aren't evil, and they're not "just in it for the money", although let's be frank- our subscriptions pay their bills.
However, they've demonstrated in the past that community sentiment can sway their decisions. Let's keep this civil and avoid confrontation, but make it clear what the community perspective is.
If they aren't, then why do they:
Ignore repeated requests to fix bugs "Fix" problems that don't need fixing Consistently take the path that is easiest for them, rather than best for the playerbase Ignore the potential consequences of bad decisions and expect us to compensate for those decisions. When they do finally address an issue, ignore all intelligent player theories about fixes and implement draconian nerfs. Refuse to communicate a vision or theme for Eve. Adopt a culture of "we're right, you're wrong" when dealing with players.
And more. Not gonna list it all tonight - it's 1:30 here. And I'd be in bed if I wasn't so ****ed off about them doing this. --------
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Vision CCP made a mistake.
No shame in making mistakes, we all do sometime.
Mistakes can be corrected.
Let us hope this one will be.
It's when they make mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake that we start getting a bit ****ed, I'm afraid.
And for all of those wondering if this is because of some new expansion coming out...
...let's say that's the situation. In which case, what sane person wouldn't give a public announcement a good bit BEFORE taking any action? Hmm? --------
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones And people need to remember that CCP probably, MOST likely, don't care about Chribba or any INDIVIDUAL ingame when doing changes.
There's a issue:
Highsec capitals.
There was NO issue. The issue was dealt with. The problem here isn't just that CCP handled an "issue" rashly - it's that there was no issue and they nerfed someone anyway.
There was no reason for this. None.
And, even if I'm wrong and by some infinitesimal chance CCP does have a good reason for this, why on earth would they not tell us before hand? --------
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Beucause unlike you, me and the vast majority (if not all) the playerbase, usually they have the ability to look at the bigger picture. Which means that they can see what is affected and how in a clearer way than we do.
They are humans and they make mistakes of course, but they were and still are (I hope) willing to listen to logical arguments and change their decisions if need be. Proof may be the Deimos change (that didn't go through) the carriers and a couple more that slip my mind.
This is another case of a mistake according to my understanding at least.
Veldnaught was offering a service, and was playing within rules that CCP stated.
Their vaunted ability to "see the big picture" appears to be using binoculars with the lenses covered with spray paint.
They have - if you hadn't noticed - been making a LOT of bad decisions recently. And not subjectively, either - they are angering and alienating a lot of their loyal playerbase, and I've been seeing a lot of vets just...quit. --------
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Highsec capitals have always been, must have been, on the seesaw and today it seems the seesaw is falling towards moving them. Give it time, don't blow a hole in the wall before the messenger has spoken.
Why should we have to wait until the "messenger has spoken"? Any CCP employee with a grain of intelligence should have known the firestorm this would cause, and communicated to the player base before hand.
The fact that no one spoke to either the owners of the hi-sec capitals or the players at large bespeaks of an abysmal ignorance of what the players enjoy/need, or a complete apathy to it.
I vote both. --------
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Now now, the devs don't know the players like the players do. Many in CCP might not even know Chribba. Especially since many people are in charge of many things. As such, they probably didn't know it would cause THIS much trouble. These kind of oversights happen, so before it's confirmed, as in, the messenger has spoken, let's not hang or shoot somenoe just yet
Again, CCP has had plenty of time to realize that their communication problems are sub-par, and to fix them. These problems have occurred many times over, with similar undertones.
So it's either apathy or malice. --------
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Now now, the devs don't know the players like the players do. Many in CCP might not even know Chribba. Especially since many people are in charge of many things. As such, they probably didn't know it would cause THIS much trouble. These kind of oversights happen, so before it's confirmed, as in, the messenger has spoken, let's not hang or shoot somenoe just yet
Again, CCP has had plenty of time to realize that their communication problems are sub-par, and to fix them. These problems have occurred many times over, with similar undertones.
So it's either apathy or malice.
It's neither, it jsut takes time. Things take time, we need to give 'em time. If you feel you need to take a break, give that time and use it somewhere else and then return when you feel it's "ok", you have the right.
But as it stands, things don't happen overnight, they don't happen overyear even. There's changes and stuff to do, so jsut hang in there, or put EVE on pause(without terminating your stuff ) and do something else.
Hope you stay, understand if you don't, and welcome when you return.
Well, I gotta head to bed, so they have until I get back from work tomorrow.
But yeah, Fallout 3 is looking pretty entertaining. And I have Oblivion. I can always play those. --------
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:02:00 -
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Oh, and PS to Chribba:
If I were you, I'd take down those 3rd party sites, at least until CCP grow a brain. No sense in supporting those who stab you in the back. I'd willingly accept the sacrifice. --------
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tom Perrish
Originally by: Vikarion Oh, and PS to Chribba:
If I were you, I'd take down those 3rd party sites, at least until CCP grow a brain. No sense in supporting those who stab you in the back. I'd willingly accept the sacrifice.
so punishing the playerbase for ccp's actions?
I prefer to think of it as an "incentive" to get the rest of us to keep yelling at CCP.
Ok, honest, last post. NN all. --------
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.28 04:09:00 -
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Awesome, CCP.
Although this should never have happened, I give you props for responding to the players. It restores a little of my faith in you. --------
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Vikarion
Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.02 09:05:00 -
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Dude. Thread is dead. Kaput. Finis. Let it rest in peace. |
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