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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 17:21:00 -
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WOW, is all I can say. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot, has CCP ever googled EVE, do they know whose sites come up? Chribba is the greatest free marketing EVE ever got aside from what he does for the existing player base.
I can't even fathom how CCP could consider this a good idea. I also fail to see how this is any different from T2 BPO ownership (which on the other hand has a huge economic impact to the benefit of those who still have them), which it is extremely unlikely they will do imho.
One word come to mind: SHAME
I mean, if they were going to do this; it really should have been done a LONG LONG time ago, at this point just let sleeping dogs lie...... --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings everyone,
About those capital ships in high secà
First, IÆd like to apologize for this whole debacle. The simple truth is that our policies on capitals in high sec were not all that clear internally as well as officially. In hindsight, we should have given the matter more thought and discussion before acting, a valuable lesson to learn and weÆll remember it in the future. The general idea was that no capitals should be allowed in high sec and then we had some vague un-official guidelines on ships built before changes and whatnot. Those rules were never really actually set in stone and hence the situation we face now.
This is an excellent opportunity to change all that. We have therefore decided to set the following rules for capitals in high sec:
1. Capital ships may under no circumstances be used for aggression.
2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.
3. You may not use your capital shipÆs attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
4. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital.
Along with those brand new actual rules, we will move ChribbaÆs Veldnaught back to Amarr, and will also move any other capital ship, by request, that was built in high sec before these changes were introduced. Anyone who had a viable high sec capital moved and wants it back should petition and we will take care of it as soon as possible.
With actual official rules on capitals in high sec, we should be able to make things work without further issues. We will be diligent about enforcing the new rules and anyone found in breach of them will have the offending capital ship moved out of high sec without advance notice, reversal or reimbursement. A two-week ban will also be imposed on the owner.
Thank you for your feedback, patience and understanding.
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
DAMAGE CONTROL II !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: ElCoCo 1. GJ Grimmi on admitting a bad call 2. Your "rules" for maintaining the ships in highsec are um, meh but oh well. 3. A big boo hoo hoo for the jealous and petty ppl around here, go away, the services Chribba has provided for the community probably brought hundreds of ppl in the game.
I for one use EVE-search more than google..... scary I know --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.28 02:17:00 -
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Edited by: Haradgrim on 28/08/2008 02:18:22 CCP HQ: Reykjavik, Iceland.
[August 27, 2008 06:42 GMT]
*On the back wall of GM Gimmi's office a red warning light starts to flash. A sign, bordered in caution tape, below it reads: "Threadnaught Alarm"*
Swiftly inputting a few quick keystrokes a new screen flashes open. As her eyes open wide and her body goes rigid in fear, GM Grimmi manages to hit the intercom button opening a channel to CCP Wrangler.
Grimmi: Wrangler, *sob*, our worst fears have come true, *sob* its a threadnaught and the author is....*sob*sob*cry*
Wrangler: Damn it, get a hold of yourself women! Who's the author?
Grimmi: Its....its....CHRIBBAA!!!!!
Wrangler: *sound of phone dropping and hitting the ground*...."oh dear God NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" .....pause.......*sounds of a now disheveled man trying to put himself back together* "Ok, Grimmi *audible shaking in his voice* call a meeting of all senior GMs and Devs, make 10 litres of coffee and see if you can track down Kieron.....we're going to need all the help we can get. God have mercy on us all"
Grimmi: *sob*sob*
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Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.28 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Djens About whining, CCP in my oppinion didn't cave in to whines, they let common sense rule, really it's that simple. As for people wanting their dual mwd ravens back or cruise-Kestrels, sure go on and whine but it wont change the fact that the whine is out of porportions unjustified. Quite the opposite of this matter.
So, what then did they do? CHRIBBA has a capital ship in high sec. CCP said hey lets finally get all of the cap ships that are in high sec out of there and not let any more in. CHRIBBA went ape shit on the forums about how EVE is now dead and all of his lackeys turned it into a 30+ page post about how unfair it is that a ship that doesn't belong in high sec was removed from it. CCP caved in and then made up new "rules" on the spot and reversed the action they just took. That looks an awful lot like caving to me and it is not common sense, common sense would be the community saying,"well no one else is allowed to have cap ships in high sec so why should he" and supported CCP for removing it.
I know its semantics but I'm pretty sure that Chribba articulately conveyed a request for an explanation given the situation he was faced. It was everyone else that went Ape Shit! --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.28 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: Juleko
Originally by: Haradgrim I know its semantics but I'm pretty sure that Chribba articulately conveyed a request for an explanation given the situation he was faced. It was everyone else that went Ape Shit!
It's academic really, the vast majority of people who replied on here didn't even bother considering the bigger picture - they saw "Chribba nerfed" and hit Reply instantly.
Now we're back to a situation where capitals are in high-sec that are subject to ambiguous rules. One of which - the key one imo - is that they can't be used in PvP. What context are we talking about here? Saying "you can't pew-pew with your capital" is pretty black and white, but a capital in high-sec is practically invincible, and there are ways of using it outside of combat which would constitute PvP (e.g. mining for a warring alliance who can do nothing to stop it, etc).
I posted this in another thread but I believe it's relevant:
People often bring up mining as being a PvP mechanism and although I don't do it myself I agree that it is. Bringing a bigger and/or faster mining ship to a roid party than the guys you're competing with confers you an advantage over them - the difference being that with sufficient funds they can do likewise, with high-sec capitals being the exception. Ultimately being able to mine faster than other people means you can control the market accordingly, you can set mineral prices lower than pilots in regular high-sec ships can comfortably afford to compete with - and this most definitely is a form of PvP.
I've always liked the fact that in Eve there's been no glass ceiling in any aspect of the game - if you have sufficient ISK and/or sufficient time to train skills then you can be every bit as efficient/good as the next guy. Sadly capitals in high-sec (since they can no longer be built there) are essentially an unattainable Eve endgame+1 for a select few that no one else can hope to ever achieve. That, fundamentally, is a bad thing imo.
A dread in high-sec, as highlighted already, is all but invincible and is certainly not something that can realistically be suicide-ganked. If Chribba (or anyone) was providing minerals en massT to one half of a warring alliance then he would most definitely be conferring a PvP advantage by using it. There's a bigger picture to look at here beyond the "omg Chribba is so great why oh why must he have to suffer".
You just need to right click my sig and check the url to know where my loyalties lie....prolly the same for many --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.28 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Gaines Some people here REALLY need to google "grandfather clause"
There are more applications of that meaning of "grandfather" than just the legal clause version.
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Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.28 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann I think rules should be enforced no matter what sort of "icon status" you or others think you have.
This is not just about Chribba's icon status, the dozens of posts like this make me wonder how much the average player knows about EVE's history and the decisions and positions the dev's have previously taken. The fact that he is an icon just rallied a lot more people to his cause, it was a legitimate cause however. --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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