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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.08.24 05:02:00 -
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Okay, maybe not 2 weeks, but Trackmania has always been notoriously hard to crack :D
EVE History Wiki
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DubanFP
Caldari
Out of Order
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.24 05:38:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 24/08/2008 05:45:57
I agree EA sports sucks. All they do is take an old game, add a couple tweaks, and add one to the number. They probebly put more work on the box art then the actual upgrades. I wouldn't be surprized if they wrote a program for the name.
//If this is a new EA sports game. Add 1 to the suffix.
if (programNew = True)
{
nameSuffix += 1;
programNew = false; //program is no longer "new"
}
Sounds about right. Just throw in a couple really small changes and you have a new sports game. Still, I have to admit EA does some good work outside of their sports department.
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr
Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.24 06:28:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: pwnedgato
Originally by: Haraldhardrade
Madden is the only reason why EA still exist. Die EA, DIE!
EA still exists because they have smart business practices.
Their 'smart' business practises consists of shelling out a sports game anually, each not being different from theother......besides players having blinking eye lids. They buy up competition and shut them down, they are harmful to the industry.
They receive a lot of crap from people in the anual game developers conferance. People are sick of them flooding the market with shit games.
 Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Glarion Garnier
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.24 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: Glarion Garnier on 24/08/2008 17:47:56
I would raise a drink to EA's disintegration to pieces. Such day would be met with a feeling of relief. Quality gaming would greatly benefit from such event.
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Neverine Crux
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Posted - 2008.08.25 01:27:00 -
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I don't think you can seperate everything in black and white. The PC has been around for a very long time, it still has a gaming market. More than likely it will always have a gaming market, I think what we're seeing is 1) a conversion on gaming to platforms, and 2) Companies are realizing that the console market is rapidly growing.
Gaming companies will always go where the money is, and consoles provide a big market. Plus someone mentioned you can still hack Xboxes and PS3s, the average joe isn't going to mod their consoles, LIVE will ban consoles that have the wrong hardware. The average joe however can go to piratebay and download games relatively easily.
Console gaming has many advantages and I do believe it will be the dominant gaming market just because 1) Anyone can easily go to Best Buy/Circuit crapcity/Wal-Mart and drop 400 bucks for a PS3 or 360 Elite 2) Compatibility ( Consoles have exact hardware and are able to provide stable performance with games.)
Now PC gaming provides access to many MMOs and other great games, however getting into PC gaming requires computer knowledge. Plus computers will always require upgrades, now granted you can get a good computer to last you for awhile but without building your own computer have you priced out computers recently? I pre built an xps for 6k earlier. LoL.
Consoles will be the dominate gaming market IMO because of $$$$$$$ because when it comes down to it who wants to spend 700 dollars on a computer that has a lot more points of failure, when you can spend 400 bucks and be good.
Not sure if this all made sense I'm at work and wrote this over 45 minutes lol
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.25 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Neverine Crux
LIVE will ban consoles that have the wrong hardware.
So players will port through a PC using Xbox Connect or similar that allows them to play with chipped consoles. It isn't a biggie to create a PC program that will fool LIVE into thinking the console has the correct hardware and route via that to the server.
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Consoles will be the dominate gaming market IMO because of $$$$$$$ because when it comes down to it who wants to spend 700 dollars on a computer that has a lot more points of failure, when you can spend 400 bucks and be good.
Then pay another $400+ a year or so later for the next generation console. At least with a PC, you can upgrade the individual part that isn't meeting requirements, graphics being the main one.
PC's have thier downfalls but even the gaming market realises that a large number of gamers still use PC's due to versatility. Most homes have a PC or three now for general use including access to the internet but not everyone is shelling out to buy consoles that can only play games.
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DarthJosh
We Are Two
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Posted - 2008.08.25 11:21:00 -
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ID software <3
Valve <3
still good stuff out there.
still people working on emulators, given enough time even ps3 games will work on pc (if not already). cosnidering how faster PCs are compared to consoles, the preformance hit will be "mleh lol, GAME ON!".
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XenoPagan
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Posted - 2008.08.25 11:50:00 -
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friends bought me a xbox360 for birthday. fun toy, I don't mind- have enough big TV to enjoy it.. but I absolutely hate the lack of mouse for it.
can someone please explain me why doesn't consoles have mouse support?
cause right now I play only hankypanky fiddle games with xbox, all the other "serious" shooting and action games I prefer on my PC just because controller is slow and awkward.
console is good and dandy, it is not money wasted or anything (at least we can beat the **** out of eachother in fighting games with my wife), but it lacks controls.
so still a member of PC church here
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Kyanzes
Amarr
Utopian Research I.E.L.
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.08.25 12:52:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Lucas Hawke
No Madden 09 for the PC. EA says its because of pirates. Fewer and fewer good titles on the shelves or in the works. I've been fighting it but I think now is a good time to buy a console. Xbox or PS3? Which one's the best?
It's the end then. Well, we'll do without EA. Will not miss them.
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Sikel
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.08.25 17:35:00 -
[40]
I think less EA overlord the better.
All EA has done for the PC community was promote the concept of releasing beta's and making people wait for their games to be patched up to playable levels.
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Neverine Crux
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Posted - 2008.08.25 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dantes Revenge
Then pay another $400+ a year or so later for the next generation console. At least with a PC, you can upgrade the individual part that isn't meeting requirements, graphics being the main one.
Xbox came out on November 15, 2001
Xbox 360 came out on November 22, 2005
PS1 December 3, 1994
PS2 October 26, 2000
PS3 November 11, 2006
Dropping 300-400 bucks every 4-6 years is a lot cheaper than buying a new computer/upgrading
Now the PS3 did debut at 600 bucks but dropped, and you can argue that parts for PCs drop as well.
However I still stick to consoles being cheaper.
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slip66
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.25 17:42:00 -
[42]
madden isnt a good game...
It's just the only nfl game. So you don't really have anything to compare it too anymore. Worst thing the NFL ever did.
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Aiden Bismuth
Gallente
Die Boeremag
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Posted - 2008.08.26 06:23:00 -
[43]
I have no intention of ever buying a console for gaming.
You can archive this quote for future reference, because I will stick to it.
GTA IV is now coming to PC, as for EA Sports, I wouldn't miss their sports titles anyway.
AB
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.08.26 06:37:00 -
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PC gaming has been dying ever since people started posting 5 1/4" disk images to their local BBS.
PC games have always been and likely will always be the domain of the 'hardcore gamer' (I hate that term but it sticks so I'll use it) - people who like challenging games with depth and complexity.
Consoles have become more capable in recent years (hard drives, network access, HD graphics) but the games are still the same casual-friendly play-it-for-a-month-and-forget-about-it types that they've always been.
Of course the Wii has taken that style to a whole new level, but those kinds of people probably can barely work a PC, let alone game with it.
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Technomagez
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Posted - 2008.08.26 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Suze'Rain
Edited by: Suze''Rain on 23/08/2008 01:58:24
the most likely death of the PC will not be consoles, but will be the mobile phone, and certainly not EA not releasing another rehashed piece of tat.
and before you dismiss that thought, here's some stats: at current rate of growth, there will be more mobile phones active than humans on the planet within 5 years (probably within 3). Current phones (iphone, etc) are running GPS systems with 3d rendering with computational power less than 10 years behind a top-end PC. in short, Crysis on a phone by 2018 is'nt out of the question.
Add in an interface to allow better vision than the current screens, and you've got a permanantly online pocket-size PC, in virtually every single person's pocket.
It might sound utterly unlikely, but it's being given considerable study by a lot of the prime movers in the games industry.
I doubt it will pan out as a nice clean-cut transition by a long way, and the PC will remain as a market for a long time to come, but it's no longer the first target point of sale for the "dedicated gamer" market.
as for the xbox/ps3 argument, then the answer is neither. that's like saying "squares or circles, what's better" all three of the current generation of consoles have their strengths.
what you should be asking is "what back catalogue of games does each have, and have lined up for release, that I would like to buy?" and decide from there.
Oh, heck, yeah, I'd fking enjoy to sit down in front of a 1" Display to play some video games in the evening....
Let's stay real, Computers are all that is, was and will be....
Imagine if consoles suddenly enabled you to exchange hardware and have more freedom, oh, suddenly they'd be pcs again, as well as if mobiles got some decent input interface and display...
And in the end, EVERYTHING is developed on pcs....
I'd really love to see someone developing a game on a console or mobile phone. 
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Glarion Garnier
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.28 05:19:00 -
[46]
I have allways felt that console games are made for ppl who are interested in the like's of Britney Spears and watch television.
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.28 08:24:00 -
[47]
Fewer? What do you consider good. Because right now I see a shitload of titles that look incredibly good.
Xbox? PS3? In my eyes both are just useless one-trick toys.
We ignore the Wii because we can't actually contest that its a blinding success despite the fact its just a gamecube with motion sensing.
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr
Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.28 10:57:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Reven Cordelle
Xbox? PS3? In my eyes both are just useless one-trick toys.
THats what they are designed for, stupid 
Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr
Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.28 11:00:00 -
[49]
Originally by: XenoPagan
friends bought me a xbox360 for birthday. fun toy, I don't mind- have enough big TV to enjoy it.. but I absolutely hate the lack of mouse for it.
can someone please explain me why doesn't consoles have mouse support?
cause right now I play only hankypanky fiddle games with xbox, all the other "serious" shooting and action games I prefer on my PC just because controller is slow and awkward.
console is good and dandy, it is not money wasted or anything (at least we can beat the **** out of eachother in fighting games with my wife), but it lacks controls.
so still a member of PC church here
Have you ever owned a console before you got it? If not, did it change your perception of console gaming? I get the impression that a lot of people who never played on a console for more than 10 minutes could use some input on the matter. Such as one of the posters above me.
Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2008.08.28 11:35:00 -
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When EA says "because of pirates", they mean "because it doesn't sell".
Don't buy a console unless you have a huge TV set etc. and spend enough time away from the PC to make it worthwhile.
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.28 12:26:00 -
[51]
PC gaming dying? PC's will always be around, as they are general purpose. As long as they are around, there will be games for them.
Consoles can die, for a variety of reasons, as they are so purpose specific (though unfortunately this is beginning to change). See: Sega.
EA churning out sports games? Great. This means that if I want to but Sports Game X, then no matter when I choose to buy it I'll be able to get a bang-up-to-date version. There's no incentive to buy a new version every year, but anyone who would even contemplate this is too stupid for words.
If you want to get a console, and haven't owned one before, go for the PS2. It's cheap, and from what I can see still pretty much the best overall. The PS3 doesn't have proper backward compatibility, and I personally prefer not to rely on it anyway.
Consoles can never become completely dominant in the games industry for two reasons, both to do with the games they carry.
First is their physical form; due to the controllers, FPSs and RTSs on consoles are a bad joke. Due to their (until recently) inability to do online stuff and update the games, online games or games which require large-scale data storage are impossible. Even now, that stuff should really be kept for PCs, and consoles should focus on what they are good at; the release of consoles with online functionality was a travesty.
PCs are bad at games which prefer to 'just work' rather than be moddable, and/or have no use for moddability or online functionality. Story driven single player games etc. Also, anything which requires the gamepad type controller, such as fighting games and racing games, although such a controller can obviously be added to the PC, if the advantages of both the controller and the PC's capabilities are desired (See: GTA).
Second is the games they are good at. PCs are better, due both to the above reasons and the target demographic, at long term deep and complex games, like EVE. Consoles are better at games where consistent and reliable presentation of fixed content is more important, such as story-driven games, where you want it to look just right for everyone who plays it, and want no concerns with crashes or compatibility issues, and also have no use for moddability or online features. Basically games which treat gaming as a medium to tell a story or something similar. It's nicer to read from a book than a PDF; similarly it is nicer to play Silent Hill sitting in an armchair with a small controller knowing you won't get a BSoD than hunched over a keyboard with sound driver issues.
In this area, PCs are for games which "know they are games" if you will. Games like EVE, and RTSes, where the content is the gameplay, not the story or anything else. The advantages of the PC are more important than concerns over compatibility and such, where having the most flexible platform possible is paramount.
Essentially:
Consoles = Interactive Movies
PCs = Online/Virtual Board Games
And both also have random genres attached due to physical limitations.
This needs to be kept in mind if switching from one platform to another. While most 'pure PC-gamers' are too concerned with pwning nubs and calucating how to achieve maximum e-peen to appreciate single-player games and most 'pure console-gamers' are children or casuals too slow or stupid for complex PC games, due to the difference in intention behind the top-tier games on each type of platform it is quite possible that the games offered by one platform or the other won't appeal to a given person, so that if PC gaming did somehow die, there would be no point in switching as all the games you enjoy playing would die with it anyway.
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Suze'Rain
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.28 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Technomagez
Oh, heck, yeah, I'd fking enjoy to sit down in front of a 1" Display to play some video games in the evening....
Let's stay real, Computers are all that is, was and will be....
Imagine if consoles suddenly enabled you to exchange hardware and have more freedom, oh, suddenly they'd be pcs again, as well as if mobiles got some decent input interface and display...
And in the end, EVERYTHING is developed on pcs....
I'd really love to see someone developing a game on a console or mobile phone.
well, for one, I'm not suggesting a 1 inch display. Iphone is just the start there, and if you dismiss that just on screen size, you might be surprised by the sales of a little thing called a "nintendo dee ess".... or a "pee ess pee" by some unknwon bunch called "sony".
However, I agree on current resolutions, and personally, think it will require a next step in display format systems to actually work from concept to market. its only a matter of time before we have a telecomms platform with an av-out and scalable graphics.
Conversely, I'm being completely serious when I say it's a likely proposition, simply because given the degree of influence of the people I know are talking about discussing the concepts (ie, those responsible for several billion in annual turnovers. and yes, I am regularly at events where those industry figures are being talked about make of that what you will for where I am in the games industry... ), it's as much a case of when, not if.
consider the UI options of accelerometers and haptic interface in an already-existing product like the iphone, combined with gps/wifi-tracking/base station location, and you can plausibly have a gameplay that could either be fixed with the player's view into a screen, or which is fully mobile and capable of interacting via 3g with other users in realtime.
Mobile gaming is at its absolute infancy, and I'd warrant that in 10 years, a claim of "Computers are all that is, was and will be...." will be so obsolete that you'd be a bit embarrased to have ever said it.
As a thought on that, you may want to read a novel by someone I know. it's called Halting State, the novellist is a hugo and nebula award winner, so not too ropey. it might make you sit and think "blimey, that's actually possible".
( Mainly 'cos I know Charlie knows enough other designers to actually be sure it is possible. )
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.28 13:24:00 -
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Oh, forgot to mention in my big long post, mobile gaming is made of fail. Even dedicated handhelds. Too small and simple for complex games, too unimmersive for story games. Useful only for passing time while on the move. I have an MP3 player for that.
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Dr Clay
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Posted - 2008.08.28 15:10:00 -
[54]
Kill EA ;p
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Sikel
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.08.28 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Oh, forgot to mention in my big long post, mobile gaming is made of fail. Even dedicated handhelds. Too small and simple for complex games, too unimmersive for story games. Useful only for passing time while on the move. I have an MP3 player for that.
I have to say, I love my DS - and some of the best games on the DS have the whole playing the game on the move mentality down - in other words, the game is broken up into small little sections that can be accomplished on a train ride, etc.
Well, I have also heavily modded my DS so that I can get my email and voice chat and fun little stuff like that. Sure I could get an iphone, but this one costs me exactly $0 a month to use :)
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.28 15:21:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Sikel
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Oh, forgot to mention in my big long post, mobile gaming is made of fail. Even dedicated handhelds. Too small and simple for complex games, too unimmersive for story games. Useful only for passing time while on the move. I have an MP3 player for that.
I have to say, I love my DS - and some of the best games on the DS have the whole playing the game on the move mentality down - in other words, the game is broken up into small little sections that can be accomplished on a train ride, etc.
Well, I have also heavily modded my DS so that I can get my email and voice chat and fun little stuff like that. Sure I could get an iphone, but this one costs me exactly $0 a month to use :)
Practically everyone I know, family included, have DSes and they all love them too. But I will not give in! I will remain a purist!
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Suze'Rain
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.28 17:04:00 -
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well, it's pretty obvious that there will be people who hang on to the old tech, but I get a sneaking suspicion they'll be outside the average.
it's only a matter of time before we get the GTA/Halo/WoW of the mobile world, the breakthrough product, a killer app, at which point the market will start to accept it more.
note, of course, that despite all this "mobile is the future of gaming", I am an absolute and utter ****ing hypocrite. I don't even own a mobile phone. hate the buggers with a passion, I do.
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