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Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2008.08.21 15:13:00 -
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Edited by: Maria Kalista on 21/08/2008 15:14:31
Edited by: Maria Kalista on 21/08/2008 15:13:29
TransGaming has announced that it will utilize Sony DADCÆs SecuROM digital rights management (DRM) solution for all video game titles enabled through TransGaming's Cider portability engine for Mac games.
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.08.21 15:32:00 -
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I definetly want to know one thing... do we have to pay ?
Mac: non-native client (we pay) + third party client (we pay) = playing eve
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Carinosa Peligrosa
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Posted - 2008.08.21 17:23:00 -
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Certainly they mean "make available" for future titles. I can't see that CCP cares about people pirating Eve client, since, well, it's a free download anyway, and you can't play without a subscription.
Sony DRM just isn't something I want on my computer, and so if it hits a future version of Eve client, I guess it'll be goodbye to Eve-Online.
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.08.22 07:46:00 -
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Well I don't mind having it (as I suspect it would only do "harm" to other programs of similar nature) because the only game I have installed is Eve (and others that aren't affected...Fallout 1&2). BUT WHAT I DON'T want is problems using eve and DRM even when it's perfectly legal.
I would hate to see the scenario where the DRM cuts out your client because it "thinks" the free client is somewhat illegal. I've had enough fun windows of legally bought games going into locking due to some missbehaving DRM solution. If Eve works 100% with it, i don't mind (unless i have to pay..more...again...).
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Verite Rendition
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.08.22 17:00:00 -
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Short answer: It won't. EVE is an MMO, there's no need to put DRM on the client since it's freely downloadable, and hence can't be pirated in any true sense of the word.
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Ami Nia
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Posted - 2008.08.22 18:29:00 -
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If they use it for other games only, I do not care.
If they put it in the Cider engine regardless of what game it's coming with, then it definitively is bye-bye Eve.
I do not like DRM in general. But specifically I have ZERO trust in any DRM by Sony, given what they did in the past.
And it goes much below zero when it gets close to a virtualization engine.
Are we going toward an Os X rootkit?
CCP should definitively take a public official stance with TransGaming about NOT WANTING (nor needing) any DRM stuff in the Eve distribution. Especially if it smells Sony.
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Disteeler
Primera Fundacion
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Posted - 2008.08.23 09:15:00 -
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haha, what a joke, sony drm stuff
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Sony_BMG_CD_copy_protection_scandal
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Bargematic
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Posted - 2008.08.23 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: Bargematic on 23/08/2008 17:23:20
I hate to break it to you but SecuRom has been used for ages in all forms of games. There is a repo of games running what kind of DRM if you wish to find out. SecuRom is not really malicious in any form like the RootKit. However if they said Starforce then you might want to be concerned.
Actually Wine is implementing SecuRom into Wine IIRC or is it safedisk? I cannot remember but regardless dont sweat it too much all it requires is that the CD be in to play.. Its one of those dumb things. No-CD can bypass it anytime really easy as well.
Note: Games like SimCity, Sims, Age of Empires, Civ 4 etc etc etc all native mac titles have DRM that requires CD to be in. Either game with it or do not game :)
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Aurix Lexico
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.23 20:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Bargematic
Actually Wine is implementing SecuRom into Wine IIRC or is it safedisk?
source?
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Bargematic
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Posted - 2008.08.24 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: Bargematic on 24/08/2008 01:06:02
Edited by: Bargematic on 24/08/2008 01:00:37
Originally by: Aurix Lexico
Originally by: Bargematic
Actually Wine is implementing SecuRom into Wine IIRC or is it safedisk?
source?
Glady http://www.winehq.org/site/myths
Although Google + wine securom that was the first hit. Kind of hard to miss it :)
I would also like to add that if you are going to complain about DRM as well you might wish to complain about iTunes and every other form of DRM apple uses. It is quite evident it is interweaving itself into all forms of operating systems. However the only recourse is to go with Linux and then use open formats for everything but I bet your complaints do not go that far. I primary run linux however its easier for me to run eve on mac. Whatever floats the boat. I hate hearing complaining about DRM then not looking at the whole picture.
Note: I have been a Transgaming Cedega subscriber for many years now. I remember back when it was implemented to be able to run games without requiring no-cd and it was a major thing as you could run games that would otherwise not let you play online and so forth. But thus is life complain about one thing without looking at another that is equally or more deplorable.
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Ami Nia
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Posted - 2008.08.24 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Bargematic
Note: Games like SimCity, Sims, Age of Empires, Civ 4 etc etc etc all native mac titles have DRM that requires CD to be in. Either game with it or do not game :)
In my case that is do not game.
Originally by: Bargematic
I would also like to add that if you are going to complain about DRM as well you might wish to complain about iTunes and every other form of DRM apple uses.
Actually no.
First of all I must confess I only use iTunes to download the developer videos that are part of the "ADC on iTunes" program. I never bought a single song from the iTunes store.
However there're two very peculiar things about the iTunes DRM that does make it different from most others. One of them is that Apple has officially regretted it and publicly asked the music industry labels to remove their requirement of a DRM system from the contracts. They did not listen. The second, and most important one, is that iTunes DRM does not prevent any sort of thing. You can still legally burn as many CDs as you want. You can still encode them back to any format you want. And you can still do whatever you want with the music you have bought.
If the sony DRM allows us to make working duplicates of the CDs and lets us rip the CDs to a disk image file and use the mounted image instead of the CD, then it is a DRM similar to the one iTunes uses and I may change my stance toward it. I would still not buy/play anything that is related to it (as I do not buy/play anything from the iTunes store). But I would not tell people it is a bad/dangerous piece of software.
Note that the reason I do not like DRM is NOT that I want to do things for free/freedom. I pay what I use. I did it since the times of pkarc (one of the earliest sharewares and the grandfather of pkzip). All the software on my systems is licenced. All my music is regularly purchased (and videos too). I like open source software because it is effective in many (not all) cases, but I'm not a RMS/GNU/freedom zealot.
The reason I do not like DRM is that it's bad. It's ineffectual. Causes problems to the people that comply and does not cause any real trouble to those that do not comply (actually it entertains them greatly). Plus in many cases it is dangerous software (from a security point of view). And finally, it is generally not meant to protect any rights at all, but to protect power. It is therefore a misnomer: it should be called Digital Protection Of The Establishment.
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Soleramnus
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.24 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ami Nia
...snip... brilliant post...
/me claps
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Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.25 21:27:00 -
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How can you claim SecuROM isn't malicious when it de-activates your purchased software after re-installing it a certain number of times or making enough hardware changes with a lot of programs? Short of wiping your hard drive, what is more malicious than disabling your use of legitimately owned and purchased software?
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Ami Nia
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Posted - 2008.08.25 23:38:00 -
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In fact I don't.
I said I would IF it behaved like the iTunes DRM that does not prevent you from totally going around it. Legally.
And after a security audit.
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CCP Whisper
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Posted - 2008.08.26 22:35:00 -
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SecuROM is not going to be implemented for EVE Online. It makes little sense to incorporate a copy protection system into a game which is available as a free download from our website.
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Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2008.08.27 05:40:00 -
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Thank you CCP Whisper for clearing that up! 
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brainball
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.27 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ami Nia
In fact I don't.
I said I would IF it behaved like the iTunes DRM that does not prevent you from totally going around it. Legally.
And after a security audit.
Comparing itunes DRM to the stuff sony is selling is comparing apples with pears and makes no sense at all. I haven't seen any facts about this DRM stuff mentioned in the op only hear say and general attempts to get people frightened.
Sure I understand DRM is evil, its useless but its something transgaming probably needs to be able to negotiate contracts with game developers. They wouldn't be spending money on things nobody really wants, thats not something they can sell to shareholders. But if that DRM is needed so I can play some more games on my mac I think I am willing to accept that. Because I want to game, and blow stuff up
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.08.27 11:06:00 -
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I don't think many mind having DRM, as long as it doesn't affect they way you use the computer. If I have a legit version of anything and the protection sits on the background silently and not affecting me, who cares! If it's starts deleting my boot sectors (whoops) and such then...NO WAY!
I would still like to know if we are going to get some extra payments due to wraps/protection (that would suck).
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brainball
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.27 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer
I don't think many mind having DRM, as long as it doesn't affect they way you use the computer. If I have a legit version of anything and the protection sits on the background silently and not affecting me, who cares! If it's starts deleting my boot sectors (whoops) and such then...NO WAY!
I would still like to know if we are going to get some extra payments due to wraps/protection (that would suck).
highly unlikely, we have been using it already, and I doubt we will see any addition costs. If only because it would chase away more people then it would attract.
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