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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 21:57:00 -
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I spent quite a lot of time carefully reading the EULA before I carried out this operation.
The idea was that I would setup a fake mothership sale and use an ALT similar to CHRIBBA to steal the buyers money.
It worked. Now I had an idea that CCP would see it as a scam/exploit and take the ISK off me. Which they did.
They mailed me and explained that because I had impersonated CHRIBBA I had violated the EULA. The link that they gave me to help explain this is:
http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/namepolicy.asp
Now I have gone back and read the whole EULA and I cant see anywhere anything about setting up a character with a similar name and doing this is a violation.
Not really bothered about the ISK tbh, the thing that bothers me is that some players have far to much protection from CCP. It would have taken the buyer 10 seconds to check the person he was speaking to and realise that it was not 'the' CHRIBBA. There are thousands of scams/exploits that go on everyday why is this an exception??
I know the ALT that I setup to do the scam was similar to CHRIBBA, but, at no time during the transaction did I claim to be CHRIBBA or carry out secure transactions.
In my eyes if a player is stupid enough to give me the ISK for a mothership without doing the proper checks then he deserves to lose it, just like it would be in RL.
I'll leave you with some words of wisdom from CCP:
Tips
* DON'T TRUST ANYONE. It's a tough galaxy out there, and anyone could betray you. * Make sure that the person you are doing business with is who he says he is. EVE-Online has a unique naming policy, making it impossible for more than one player to have the same name. However, names may be very similar, and it is a good idea to be 100% certain that the party you are dealing with is the real thing. Also, never believe someone who says he is an alternate character of someone you know but doesn't offer any proper proof.
Thanks for your time,
EVECitizen19821743 formerly CHRI8BA
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.08.13 21:58:00 -
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owned
and deserved.
hail the real Chribba!
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton owned
and deserved.
hail the real Chribba!
I fail to seee how I was 'owned' but thanks for your input.
EVECitizen
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The Herrick
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:00:00 -
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Remember kids, scamming and stealing is a-ok, but don't for a second think about impersonating everyones favorite miner.
Originally by: Blane Xero Screw your stuff, can I have your wife?
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sableye
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:00:00 -
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harsh
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:02:00 -
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dunno, your iskies are gone though.
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: The Herrick Remember kids, scamming and stealing is a-ok, but don't for a second think about impersonating everyones favorite miner.
Thats exactly what i'm thinking. If it had been anyone else would CCP have done the same thing?
EVECitizen
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton dunno, your iskies are gone though.
I have plenty more :)
EVECitizen
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Joey Meow
MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:05:00 -
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You are not allowed to impersonate other players. Especially if you are using similar name, and claiming to be him: CHR1BBA for example - you are lucky you did not get banned.
You can scam, however, if you can convince the mark that EVECitizen19821743 is ¦HRIBBA's ALT, but you have to make sure you use that stupid character name of yours.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:06:00 -
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EULA, 2B "No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity."
While this is a bit far-fetched, it falls a bit under "gray area", and... well... eh, nevermind. _
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:06:00 -
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I don't remember where it's written, but I'm pretty sure that, specifically using your player name to impersonate another player (IE CHR1BBA instead of CHRIBBA) is against the EULA (or maybe it's the TOS? I honestly don't remember). I remember a few other people who got the same treatment. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3) |
sableye
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Joey Meow You are not allowed to impersonate other players. Especially if you are using similar name, and claiming to be him: CHR1BBA for example - you are lucky you did not get banned.
You can scam, however, if you can convince the mark that EVECitizen19821743 is ¦HRIBBA's ALT, but you have to make sure you use that stupid character name of yours.
he says he never todl them he was chribba which means he was'nt impersoanting anyone then again I am not sure I believe him that he never tried to actual claim to be him.
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Joey Meow
MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rules Impersonating another forum user, moderator, volunteer, administrator or CCP employee is strictly prohibited. You are expressly forbidden from impersonating anyone else, including those named above, on the forum or in the game, even in jest. This may be grounds for permanent loss of your Eve account.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:08:00 -
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that and we have a corp in our alliance that has an eight "8" rather than a "B"
I didn't notice until I saw a kill on our killboard with one of their members
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Billy Sastard
Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:08:00 -
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I don't think that the GM who handled that case made the correct decision. If you have not already, I would suggest petitioning and asking for clarification of which section of the EULA states it is not allowed to impersonate other players. If you have already petitioned, then escalate it.
I understand from the EULA that it is against the rules to impersonate CCP employees or a NPC official and that sort of thing, but impersonating players has been OK...
Maybe the GM is under the mistaken impression that chribba is an NPC? -=^=-
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Mika Meroko
Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Mika Meroko on 13/08/2008 22:11:11 Is CCP's rules....
so, yeah....
and yeah, is easy to accidentally impersonate another,
my RL name is very similar to a recent-new-hollywood celebrity name.....
and BOOM ... tons of people trying to add me to facebook....
and I dont think she have facebook >.<
....
so yeah, if I do something say:
please sent me $$$$ for my tour fund/whatever,
and people actually send money...
the one who actually is a star can probley (or somebody else... probley the manager) for misusing her fame...
thats bad =P even if I dont say I am not her....
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Joey Meow You are not allowed to impersonate other players. Especially if you are using similar name, and claiming to be him: CHR1BBA for example - you are lucky you did not get banned.
You can scam, however, if you can convince the mark that EVECitizen19821743 is ¦HRIBBA's ALT, but you have to make sure you use that stupid character name of yours.
1. I didn't pick this stupid name CCP did :)
2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.
3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:
'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'
Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.
EVECitizen
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:11:00 -
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I do applaud you for reading the EULA at least, considering 99% of the forum posters shove their foot in their mouth when the answer they needed is right on the end user agreement.
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Sastard I don't think that the GM who handled that case made the correct decision. If you have not already, I would suggest petitioning and asking for clarification of which section of the EULA states it is not allowed to impersonate other players. If you have already petitioned, then escalate it.
I understand from the EULA that it is against the rules to impersonate CCP employees or a NPC official and that sort of thing, but impersonating players has been OK...
Maybe the GM is under the mistaken impression that chribba is an NPC?
I have petitioned already on clarification of this very point.
EVECitizen
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:12:00 -
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That is pretty odd that they would do that. It doesn't seem fair unless Chribba is a volunteer or an employee, but to my understanding, he's just a popular player.
If that's the case then, I would like the person who has a similar character name to mine who pretends to be me warned or have their name changed.
Any GM's care to clarify in general here?
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Lillian D'Florite
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Joey Meow You are not allowed to impersonate other players. Especially if you are using similar name, and claiming to be him: CHR1BBA for example - you are lucky you did not get banned.
You can scam, however, if you can convince the mark that EVECitizen19821743 is ¦HRIBBA's ALT, but you have to make sure you use that stupid character name of yours.
1. I didn't pick this stupid name CCP did :)
2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.
3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:
'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'
Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.
EVECitizen
you got to ask the question: How many people ACTUALLY knows Chribba? ...
sure I hear alot about the guy... but I never met him
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Truk Mei
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:13:00 -
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Be happy that CCP didn't perma-ban your account.
Personally, I think it is okay to scam others as long as it only involves in game mechanics, in game items and the scam stays in game. Basically, players tricking or fooling other players.
It is interesting how CCP will let some scams carry on over and over that do hurt game play yet they will swing the ban stick fast and hard at some scams that seem less or equally harmful.
Okay, back to playing the game.
Toodles
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:13:00 -
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Identity theft is a crime. You should have been banned.
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Mika Meroko
Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Mika Meroko on 13/08/2008 22:14:08
Originally by: Nexa Necis That is pretty odd that they would do that. It doesn't seem fair unless Chribba is a volunteer or an employee, but to my understanding, he's just a popular player.
If that's the case then, I would like the person who has a similar character name to mine who pretends to be me warned or have their name changed.
Any GM's care to clarify in general here?
he volunteers Eve... cant remember name.. the Server/download for stuff for eve thing....
he keeps that service running for people.. for free... (which costs him RL money..)
Edit: and as for name changes, it is only when you do something screwy with the names where it gets into bad ettiqute/legality issues....
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 13/08/2008 22:15:01 Actually, this has happened before.
One of the folks I know in game ran an in game **** site for a while, accessed gained for an isk fee (no joke). A scammer set up a character with a very similar name to try and scam some payments, and it worked.
The scam was petitioned by my friend, and the scammer had his name changed.
To the best of my knowledge, the in game **** site has been inactive for a while now (friend is busy with other stuff).
Edit: **** is a 4 letter word that begins with "p"
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Joey Meow
MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:14:00 -
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Edited by: Joey Meow on 13/08/2008 22:15:41
Originally by: Lillian D'Florite
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Joey Meow You are not allowed to impersonate other players. Especially if you are using similar name, and claiming to be him: CHR1BBA for example - you are lucky you did not get banned.
You can scam, however, if you can convince the mark that EVECitizen19821743 is ¦HRIBBA's ALT, but you have to make sure you use that stupid character name of yours.
1. I didn't pick this stupid name CCP did :)
2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.
3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:
'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'
Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.
EVECitizen
you got to ask the question: How many people ACTUALLY knows Chribba? ...
sure I hear alot about the guy... but I never met him
How was your name spelled?
Edit:
I am fairly certain that ANYONE who was ever interested in making a purchase on EVE Online forums that can not go through the "regular" channels, like contracts, for example, and requires some degree of trust has heard of Chribba. Whether they have taken a chance and did not use him, is a different story.
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lillian D'Florite
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Joey Meow You are not allowed to impersonate other players. Especially if you are using similar name, and claiming to be him: CHR1BBA for example - you are lucky you did not get banned.
You can scam, however, if you can convince the mark that EVECitizen19821743 is ¦HRIBBA's ALT, but you have to make sure you use that stupid character name of yours.
1. I didn't pick this stupid name CCP did :)
2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.
3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:
'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'
Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.
EVECitizen
you got to ask the question: How many people ACTUALLY knows Chribba? ...
sure I hear alot about the guy... but I never met him
If your looking to buy a mothership you should have and NEED to have heard of him :)
EVECitizen
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Joey Meow
Originally by: Lillian D'Florite
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Joey Meow You are not allowed to impersonate other players. Especially if you are using similar name, and claiming to be him: CHR1BBA for example - you are lucky you did not get banned.
You can scam, however, if you can convince the mark that EVECitizen19821743 is ¦HRIBBA's ALT, but you have to make sure you use that stupid character name of yours.
1. I didn't pick this stupid name CCP did :)
2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.
3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:
'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'
Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.
EVECitizen
you got to ask the question: How many people ACTUALLY knows Chribba? ...
sure I hear alot about the guy... but I never met him
How was your name spelled?
Name was spelled CHRI8BA.
EVECitizen
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Mika Meroko
Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Lillian D'Florite
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Joey Meow You are not allowed to impersonate other players. Especially if you are using similar name, and claiming to be him: CHR1BBA for example - you are lucky you did not get banned.
You can scam, however, if you can convince the mark that EVECitizen19821743 is ¦HRIBBA's ALT, but you have to make sure you use that stupid character name of yours.
1. I didn't pick this stupid name CCP did :)
2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.
3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:
'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'
Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.
EVECitizen
you got to ask the question: How many people ACTUALLY knows Chribba? ...
sure I hear alot about the guy... but I never met him
If your looking to buy a mothership you should have and NEED to have heard of him :)
EVECitizen
Key being: heard of....
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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Joey Meow
MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 Name was spelled CHRI8BA.EVECitizen
This is close enough to get hit with this:
Originally by: Forum Rules Impersonating another forum user, moderator, volunteer, administrator or CCP employee is strictly prohibited. You are expressly forbidden from impersonating anyone else, including those named above, on the forum or in the game, even in jest. This may be grounds for permanent loss of your Eve account.
So, yea, the GM decision was correct. Your name was close enough to imply you are Chribba, and thus circumvent the normal functioning of the game and forum. |
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Trojanman190
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:23:00 -
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I hate scammers but the dude does deserve his isk back.
If you are stupid enough to make a trade like that... well... you are ****ing stupid and the EULA does not protect you. I'm sure chribba would agree that scamming is lame but happens everyday in the way described.... taking the money because he tried to impersonate chribba is is kind of underhanded on the part of CCP. They need to obey their own rules. |
EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.
Not really, no. Your name has to fall within the rules, and you intentionally made your name with the intention of having people think you were the real Chribba.
Quote: 3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:
'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'
Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.
Just because you don't tell them, it's obvious that you intended for them to think that. Thus, you were impersonating him.
I still think the rules are a bit murky on this TBH. Why would CCP put all those tips in the knowledge base if the operation that I carried out was against EULA and people could just petition and get their ISK back.
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Mika Meroko
Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:26:00 -
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Edited by: Mika Meroko on 13/08/2008 22:30:50
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.
Not really, no. Your name has to fall within the rules, and you intentionally made your name with the intention of having people think you were the real Chribba.
Quote: 3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:
'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'
Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.
Just because you don't tell them, it's obvious that you intended for them to think that. Thus, you were impersonating him.
I still think the rules are a bit murky on this TBH. Why would CCP put all those tips in the knowledge base if the operation that I carried out was against EULA and people could just petition and get their ISK back.
EVECitizen
okay, if you are playing that card...
.... in your case is different,
since you didnt really work for the scam =P
CCP wants scammers to work for their stuff...(one of the devs made a very not so nice comment in the market section of the forum a looong time ago)
you just rode on another person's reputation....
hence the difference btwn an original scammer scamming and someone who impersonated (even if its not explicitly done...) someone else for the purpose of scamming.
edit: Remember, the reputation Chribba built over the years would be... ahem... yeah, nullified the paranoia in most people's mind...
granted, is GOOD to be paranoid about everything, and I not saying what you did is wrong....
is just the method is errrm... yeah... you were using another's reputation....even if you arent explicitly doing it.....
is bad when OTHER people suffer the consequences (aside from your mark...) of your scam...
so.. yeah, use your own name/reputation.... instead of an alt named like someone whos established and trusted for scamming.
(can you honestly say your char used to scam is your main?.... is really hard to believe you just happen to make this char with this name and scammed someone with it without thinking: Gee, maybe this guy's name might help me scam)
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.
Not really, no. Your name has to fall within the rules, and you intentionally made your name with the intention of having people think you were the real Chribba.
Quote: 3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:
'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'
Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.
Just because you don't tell them, it's obvious that you intended for them to think that. Thus, you were impersonating him.
I still think the rules are a bit murky on this TBH. Why would CCP put all those tips in the knowledge base if the operation that I carried out was against EULA and people could just petition and get their ISK back.
EVECitizen
The rules are not murky, they are very clear. Scam away, just don't use someone else's name to do it. Trying to be Chirbba because he's a known name (and trustworthy) is what got you in trouble.
If you had used a name no one ever heard of, you'd still have your scam isk.
Also, you're a low life piece of $%^@. DIAF.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:28:00 -
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The GMs did the correct thing. We had this happen to a corp member a few years ago. The offender changed and l to a 1 and copied the character's bio. The GMs came down hard on the identity thief, as they should have.
You're free to do what you want, so long as you're not trying to impersonate someone. I don't care if you try to scam me, but if you do it with a player named Fnog, I'll act accordingly.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mika Meroko
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.
Not really, no. Your name has to fall within the rules, and you intentionally made your name with the intention of having people think you were the real Chribba.
Quote: 3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:
'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'
Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.
Just because you don't tell them, it's obvious that you intended for them to think that. Thus, you were impersonating him.
I still think the rules are a bit murky on this TBH. Why would CCP put all those tips in the knowledge base if the operation that I carried out was against EULA and people could just petition and get their ISK back.
EVECitizen
okay, if you are playing that card...
.... in your case is different,
since you didnt really work for the scam =P
CCP wants scammers to work for their stuff...(one of the devs made a very not so nice comment in the market section of the forum a looong time ago)
you just rode on another person's reputation....
hence the difference btwn an original scammer scamming and someone who impersonated (even if its not explicitly done...) someone else for the purpose of scamming.
Wouldn't have said an easy ride. I had to train corp management 1 :), wait until the real CHRIBBA was offline and there was a certain amount of social engineering on my part as the buyer said when I convoed him 'I didn't see you log on mate'
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Wouldn't have said an easy ride. I had to train corp management 1 :), wait until the real CHRIBBA was offline and there was a certain amount of social engineering on my part as the buyer said when I convoed him 'I didn't see you log on mate'
EVECitizen
HOLD! This guy you scammed had Chirbba on Buddy and still fell for it?
I reverse my previous point, that guy got the screwing he deserved.
Still, don't steal identities. ______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational" |
Alielious
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:32:00 -
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oops! Sounds like it went somewhat wrong for you there...
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Federation Fleet
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:33:00 -
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Stop trying to split hairs on the specific wording. This isn't the U.S. Code, this is a EULA that CCP is allowed to interpret.
Any reasonable person would agree that using such a similar name (even without any direct inference from you that you were Chribba) is an attempt to impersonate him.
So yes, you got a slap on the wrist. They could have perma-banned you.
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jimer Lins Stop trying to split hairs on the specific wording. This isn't the U.S. Code, this is a EULA that CCP is allowed to interpret.
Any reasonable person would agree that using such a similar name (even without any direct inference from you that you were Chribba) is an attempt to impersonate him.
So yes, you got a slap on the wrist. They could have perma-banned you.
Would have prefered a slapped bottom tbh :)
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:36:00 -
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I am chribba
SKUNK
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Splagada
Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:37:00 -
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this smells... ------
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Lillian D'Florite
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:37:00 -
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Edited by: Lillian D''Florite on 13/08/2008 22:37:40
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Mika Meroko
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.
Not really, no. Your name has to fall within the rules, and you intentionally made your name with the intention of having people think you were the real Chribba.
Quote: 3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:
'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'
Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.
Just because you don't tell them, it's obvious that you intended for them to think that. Thus, you were impersonating him.
I still think the rules are a bit murky on this TBH. Why would CCP put all those tips in the knowledge base if the operation that I carried out was against EULA and people could just petition and get their ISK back.
EVECitizen
okay, if you are playing that card...
.... in your case is different,
since you didnt really work for the scam =P
CCP wants scammers to work for their stuff...(one of the devs made a very not so nice comment in the market section of the forum a looong time ago)
you just rode on another person's reputation....
hence the difference btwn an original scammer scamming and someone who impersonated (even if its not explicitly done...) someone else for the purpose of scamming.
Wouldn't have said an easy ride. I had to train corp management 1 :), wait until the real CHRIBBA was offline and there was a certain amount of social engineering on my part as the buyer said when I convoed him 'I didn't see you log on mate'
EVECitizen
yeah, still.. no stealing/mis-representing identities...
people dont like that, no matter how amoral the arguments you use on the EULA...
CCP's rules, CCP doesnt like mis-representing/stealing of people's identities...
edit: but man, there are stupidly rich people out there....
just the method is not cool =P
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jimer Lins Stop trying to split hairs on the specific wording. This isn't the U.S. Code, this is a EULA that CCP is allowed to interpret.
Any reasonable person would agree that using such a similar name (even without any direct inference from you that you were Chribba) is an attempt to impersonate him.
So yes, you got a slap on the wrist. They could have perma-banned you.
So wait, that would mean that all the people with names that are 1 character different from another name but look very similar could be forced to change it if they did something underhand/scam.
EVECitizen
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:39:00 -
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With impersinations being all the rage I cannot see how aliases would be a bad addition to the game, people would then know about the possibility of you not being you and correlate previous employment with known aliases to know for a fact that they're dealing with the right guy.
In short, check my signature link and support the cause, there really is no reason not to.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk I am chribba
SKUNK
No your a numpty
EVECitizen
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Mika Meroko
Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:41:00 -
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Edited by: Mika Meroko on 13/08/2008 22:43:06
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Jimer Lins Stop trying to split hairs on the specific wording. This isn't the U.S. Code, this is a EULA that CCP is allowed to interpret.
Any reasonable person would agree that using such a similar name (even without any direct inference from you that you were Chribba) is an attempt to impersonate him.
So yes, you got a slap on the wrist. They could have perma-banned you.
So wait, that would mean that all the people with names that are 1 character different from another name but look very similar could be forced to change it if they did something underhand/scam.
EVECitizen
I think the GM would take into consideration of how long the char has been around....
let say, if the original person is 3 years old, good standing (with GM, and doesnt break EULA, have a reputation.... *sidenote: Chribba is kinda ... like.. staff...unofficaly he does host the file service for Eve... for free (to us, but cost him real life money.) )..
VS an alt thats under 1 mill SP, with similar name, made 2 weeks ago.. and scams people....
yeah.....
it would be different if the other char is 2 years old, distingishable, and such....
if it looks like an alt... it probley would get changed.
the key in this case is that you JUST have to pick Chribba...
now, if you used "murdur one" or "La Shunk"... then it wouldnt be a problem I dont think.
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Federation Fleet
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Jimer Lins Stop trying to split hairs on the specific wording. This isn't the U.S. Code, this is a EULA that CCP is allowed to interpret.
Any reasonable person would agree that using such a similar name (even without any direct inference from you that you were Chribba) is an attempt to impersonate him.
So yes, you got a slap on the wrist. They could have perma-banned you.
So wait, that would mean that all the people with names that are 1 character different from another name but look very similar could be forced to change it if they did something underhand/scam.
EVECitizen
Only if they did it with the intent of impersonating that character. In your case, it's so obvious it doesn't even bear investigation. In other cases, the GM would probably look at the accounts, see if they have any history, check the logs to see if there was an attempt to impersonate them, etc.
If it's just a coincidence of names, they'd ignore it. It's really not hard to figure out.
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jimer Lins
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Jimer Lins Stop trying to split hairs on the specific wording. This isn't the U.S. Code, this is a EULA that CCP is allowed to interpret.
Any reasonable person would agree that using such a similar name (even without any direct inference from you that you were Chribba) is an attempt to impersonate him.
So yes, you got a slap on the wrist. They could have perma-banned you.
So wait, that would mean that all the people with names that are 1 character different from another name but look very similar could be forced to change it if they did something underhand/scam.
EVECitizen
Only if they did it with the intent of impersonating that character. In your case, it's so obvious it doesn't even bear investigation. In other cases, the GM would probably look at the accounts, see if they have any history, check the logs to see if there was an attempt to impersonate them, etc.
If it's just a coincidence of names, they'd ignore it. It's really not hard to figure out.
I'm not having a hard time figuring that out I just don't think it should be that way.
EVECitizen
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Mika Meroko
Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Jimer Lins
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Jimer Lins Stop trying to split hairs on the specific wording. This isn't the U.S. Code, this is a EULA that CCP is allowed to interpret.
Any reasonable person would agree that using such a similar name (even without any direct inference from you that you were Chribba) is an attempt to impersonate him.
So yes, you got a slap on the wrist. They could have perma-banned you.
So wait, that would mean that all the people with names that are 1 character different from another name but look very similar could be forced to change it if they did something underhand/scam.
EVECitizen
Only if they did it with the intent of impersonating that character. In your case, it's so obvious it doesn't even bear investigation. In other cases, the GM would probably look at the accounts, see if they have any history, check the logs to see if there was an attempt to impersonate them, etc.
If it's just a coincidence of names, they'd ignore it. It's really not hard to figure out.
I'm not having a hard time figuring that out I just don't think it should be that way.
EVECitizen
yeah... is you VS CCP and alot of people.... what to do...
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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Dristra
Amarr Shadows of the Dead Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:48:00 -
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I had sympaty for you op, until you started saying ccp is being favorable just because its CHRIBBA... Support the introduction of well thought out Amarr solutions!
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: Davina Braben on 13/08/2008 22:50:52
Quote: It would have taken the buyer 10 seconds to check the person he was speaking to and realise that it was not 'the' CHRIBBA. There are thousands of scams/exploits that go on everyday why is this an exception??
It would have taken you 10 seconds to check the EULA or search the forums.
Critical fumble.
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Panzerr
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:50:00 -
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"Not really, no. Your name has to fall within the rules, and you intentionally made your name with the intention of having people think you were the real Chribba."
Laws only apply to actions, not to intentions. You may want to steal as long as you live, but if you don't actually steal, you don't go to jail.
"Just because you don't tell them, it's obvious that you intended for them to think that. Thus, you were impersonating him."
If he didn't tell them he is Chribba, he wasn't impersonating anyone. They assumed he is someone else and that is not his fault. I suppose he didn't say "I'm Chribba, i love veldspar, i mine with a dread, etc". And Chribba is not the only one doing the capital trade thing, right?
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:52:00 -
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Yawn. It amazes me people still try to name scam, when no matter who it is they name scam CCP will reimburse the lost ISK and change names of the offenders or ban them (I assume this only happens on repeat attempts). I've personally dealt with over a dozen name scamming petitions, it doesn't matter who the player is you're trying to impersonate. Remember kids, learn the rules.
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Davina Braben
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:52:00 -
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Quote: Laws only apply to actions, not to intentions. You may want to steal as long as you live, but if you don't actually steal, you don't go to jail.
Twaddle.
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Richard Angevian
The Crusaders.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:53:00 -
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Biggest mistake you made was in not laundering the isk out of that account as soon as you got it. Yeah, you'd have ruined that toon with a negative balance but you'd have kept the isk :)
I don't see anything wrong with this, or that it's any different than any other scam that CCP has not punished anyone for. The victim at any time could have verified with the real Chribba whether it was him or not had he/she done even a TOKEN effort to check things out.
Anyone that careless entering into a transaction for a supercap deserves to be scammed.
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Mika Meroko
Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: Mika Meroko on 13/08/2008 22:56:45
Originally by: Panzerr "Not really, no. Your name has to fall within the rules, and you intentionally made your name with the intention of having people think you were the real Chribba."
Laws only apply to actions, not to intentions. You may want to steal as long as you live, but if you don't actually steal, you don't go to jail.
"Just because you don't tell them, it's obvious that you intended for them to think that. Thus, you were impersonating him."
If he didn't tell them he is Chribba, he wasn't impersonating anyone. They assumed he is someone else and that is not his fault. I suppose he didn't say "I'm Chribba, i love veldspar, i mine with a dread, etc". And Chribba is not the only one doing the capital trade thing, right?
Actually...
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Wouldn't have said an easy ride. I had to train corp management 1 :), wait until the real CHRIBBA was offline and there was a certain amount of social engineering on my part as the buyer said when I convoed him 'I didn't see you log on mate'
EVECitizen
he waited for the real Chribba to log.. and yeah... "a certain amount of social engineering on my part" implies manipulation...
in this case it is impersonation.
edit: damn quotes
yeah, is kinda like using someone's esle's credit card...
most store clerks would assume that you are using your own....
one with your own name on it =P
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company
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Posted - 2008.08.13 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Angevian Biggest mistake you made was in not laundering the isk out of that account as soon as you got it. Yeah, you'd have ruined that toon with a negative balance but you'd have kept the isk :)
FYI, CCP does know how to check more than one character, and they do. Nice attempt though.
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:03:00 -
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Ah well was worth a try :)
EVECitizen
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:06:00 -
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According to the rules, you can't even do it in jest.
Impersonating another forum user, moderator, volunteer, administrator or CCP employee is strictly prohibited. You are expressly forbidden from impersonating anyone else, including those named above, on the forum or in the game, even in jest. This may be grounds for permanent loss of your Eve account.
I have someone that has done this for months now. I had not petitioned it because I had no clue it was against the rules.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:06:00 -
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I'm reminded of the, "I'm your CEO's alt" scams. I don't know why, I just am.
Maybe it's the classic:
Scammer: "I'm your CEO's alt, please loan me 1 billion ISK so I can do [whatever], and I'll pay you back tomorrow when I can access the corp's wallet."
Player: "Um, I AM an alt of the CEO, and I'm pretty sure I'm not you, because I didn't type what you just did."
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Richard Angevian
The Crusaders.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
Originally by: Richard Angevian Biggest mistake you made was in not laundering the isk out of that account as soon as you got it. Yeah, you'd have ruined that toon with a negative balance but you'd have kept the isk :)
FYI, CCP does know how to check more than one character, and they do. Nice attempt though.
If you are smart, and plan things in advance, you can move isk without any possibility of CCP being able to take it from the party that received it. Been there, done that :)
Bottom line is that they never should have intervened in this case in the first place. An idiot who didn't bother to do ANY checking on a transaction in which he was going to spend BILLIONS is someone who deserves to be scammed, and who would have fallen prey to ANY scam.
People pretending to be what they aren't or pretending to be someone else is how every con job ever pulled off has been played. If con jobs of any sort in EVE is sanctioned (and far bigger ones than this have been) this one should be.
Methinks CCP has made a great leap to "Carebears Online" with this move.
If I ever bought a mothership from someone not in my own alliance, you can be damn sure I'd use Chribba, and yes, I'd take the effort to make sure that not only was it the authentic one, I'd research the background of the seller too.
That's the bare minimum effort that the "victim" in this case should have taken, didn't, got taken.
BTW, name and shame the "victim". I think he deserves some ridicule.
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Angevian
Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
Originally by: Richard Angevian Biggest mistake you made was in not laundering the isk out of that account as soon as you got it. Yeah, you'd have ruined that toon with a negative balance but you'd have kept the isk :)
FYI, CCP does know how to check more than one character, and they do. Nice attempt though.
If you are smart, and plan things in advance, you can move isk without any possibility of CCP being able to take it from the party that received it. Been there, done that :)
Bottom line is that they never should have intervened in this case in the first place. An idiot who didn't bother to do ANY checking on a transaction in which he was going to spend BILLIONS is someone who deserves to be scammed, and who would have fallen prey to ANY scam.
People pretending to be what they aren't or pretending to be someone else is how every con job ever pulled off has been played. If con jobs of any sort in EVE is sanctioned (and far bigger ones than this have been) this one should be.
Methinks CCP has made a great leap to "Carebears Online" with this move.
If I ever bought a mothership from someone not in my own alliance, you can be damn sure I'd use Chribba, and yes, I'd take the effort to make sure that not only was it the authentic one, I'd research the background of the seller too.
That's the bare minimum effort that the "victim" in this case should have taken, didn't, got taken.
BTW, name and shame the "victim". I think he deserves some ridicule.
Well i wasn't going to name the victim as I thought he took it on the chin like a man. He obviously didn't and ran crying to CCP. So here's a tip Last King......DO YOUR RESEARCH.
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GM Krymus
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:17:00 -
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To provide some clarification - impersonating another player, be it by creating a character with a similar character name as someone else or simply claiming you are the alt of someone (such as the 'I'm your CEO's alt' scam as described by F'nog), is not allowed.
Regards,
GM Krymus
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: Selene D''Celeste on 13/08/2008 23:18:45
Originally by: Richard Angevian
Methinks CCP has made a great leap to "Carebears Online" with this move.
Given that this has been their policy since the beginning of EVE, I don't think we're in any harm of the world ending here.
Edit: Keep up the good work GM Krymus =)
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: GM Krymus Blah blah we love carebears
I don't think there should be that level of protection for players.
EVECITIZEN
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Federation Fleet
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: GM Krymus Blah blah we love carebears
I don't think there should be that level of protection for players.
EVECITIZEN
Not your decision. The EULA's been around for a long time, and that part of it hasn't changed in many years.
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: GM Krymus Blah blah we love carebears
I don't think there should be that level of protection for players.
EVECITIZEN
There are plenty of ways to scam. Just because you succeeded in one of the only ways that CCP prohibits, and are unhappy they reversed it, doesn't mean their decision here is unreasonable or that they're all about carebears. This policy has existed for all of EVE, and EVE is still about the only game where the devs condone most forms of scamming as part of the gameplay.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:26:00 -
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you all are making my forum spy go wild with sending me notices
As for the topic, impersonating players have been forbidden in the EULA since years back, no question about it.
Nice bio you got... did you come up with that one yourself? Ahh no you copied mine, ok.
Secure 3rd party service ■ Do you Veldspar? |
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jimer Lins
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: GM Krymus Blah blah we love carebears
I don't think there should be that level of protection for players.
EVECITIZEN
Not your decision. The EULA's been around for a long time, and that part of it hasn't changed in many years.
When did I say it was my decision. I'm only expressing my point of view.
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba you all are making my forum spy go wild with sending me notices
As for the topic, impersonating players have been forbidden in the EULA since years back, no question about it.
Nice bio you got... did you come up with that one yourself? Ahh no you copied mine, ok.
Why would I come up with one myself. I was merely passing on some valuable information to the Eve community.
EVECitizen
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Tassadar Beta
Amarr BIG Advanced Assault
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
I got caught, halp! whine! its not fair! I should be allowed to violate the EULA!
EVECitizen
I know what I'd like to violate
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: GM Krymus Blah blah we love carebears
I don't think there should be that level of protection for players.
EVECITIZEN
There are plenty of ways to scam. Just because you succeeded in one of the only ways that CCP prohibits, and are unhappy they reversed it, doesn't mean their decision here is unreasonable or that they're all about carebears. This policy has existed for all of EVE, and EVE is still about the only game where the devs condone most forms of scamming as part of the gameplay.
As the GM's condone scamming why should cases like these be treated any differently?
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 Why would I come up with one myself. I was merely passing on some valuable information to the Eve community.
EVECitizen
I heard it was more fun that way, guess I was lied to
And yeah the information is valuable indeed, and hopefully preventional as well as like said, it could be a viable way to get banned. So don't impersonate people, build your own reputation instead of leeching off others.
Secure 3rd party service ■ Do you Veldspar? |
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: GM Krymus Blah blah we love carebears
I don't think there should be that level of protection for players.
EVECITIZEN
There are plenty of ways to scam. Just because you succeeded in one of the only ways that CCP prohibits, and are unhappy they reversed it, doesn't mean their decision here is unreasonable or that they're all about carebears. This policy has existed for all of EVE, and EVE is still about the only game where the devs condone most forms of scamming as part of the gameplay.
As the GM's condone scamming why should cases like these be treated any differently?
EVECitizen
Because impersonating a character based on a similar name or claiming to be an alt of them is an out-of-game method. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3) |
EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tassadar Beta
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
I got caught, halp! whine! its not fair! I should be allowed to violate the EULA!
EVECitizen
I know what I'd like to violate
Don't be shy what would you like to violate?
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Alora Venoda
GalTech Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:33:00 -
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so if a bunch of characters get their names changes to "EVECitizen#######" would they not technically be impersonating each other?? like if one becomes a well-known trader, the others with names only different by a few numbers could scam his customers... ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless.
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: EVECitizen19821743 on 13/08/2008 23:34:51
Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 Why would I come up with one myself. I was merely passing on some valuable information to the Eve community.
EVECitizen
I heard it was more fun that way, guess I was lied to
And yeah the information is valuable indeed, and hopefully preventional as well as like said, it could be a viable way to get banned. So don't impersonate people, build your own reputation instead of leeching off others.
Haha leech off you. I couldn't think of anything more boring than facilitating trades for other people. I wasn't doing it for the reputation :)
EVECitizen
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Mika Meroko
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 2. I can choose any unique name that I like. The name I chose was unique. There are thousands of characters out there with 1 or 2 characters different in their name but ver similar overall.
Not really, no. Your name has to fall within the rules, and you intentionally made your name with the intention of having people think you were the real Chribba.
Quote: 3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:
'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'
Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.
Just because you don't tell them, it's obvious that you intended for them to think that. Thus, you were impersonating him.
I still think the rules are a bit murky on this TBH. Why would CCP put all those tips in the knowledge base if the operation that I carried out was against EULA and people could just petition and get their ISK back.
EVECitizen
okay, if you are playing that card...
.... in your case is different,
since you didnt really work for the scam =P
CCP wants scammers to work for their stuff...(one of the devs made a very not so nice comment in the market section of the forum a looong time ago)
you just rode on another person's reputation....
hence the difference btwn an original scammer scamming and someone who impersonated (even if its not explicitly done...) someone else for the purpose of scamming.
Wouldn't have said an easy ride. I had to train corp management 1 :), wait until the real CHRIBBA was offline and there was a certain amount of social engineering on my part as the buyer said when I convoed him 'I didn't see you log on mate'
EVECitizen
second time you admitted to impersonating him in this thread and you still try to justify it
no sale
Adapat or Die
Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: GM Krymus To provide some clarification - impersonating another player, be it by creating a character with a similar character name as someone else or simply claiming you are the alt of someone (such as the 'I'm your CEO's alt' scam as described by F'nog), is not allowed.
Regards,
GM Krymus
What about parodies? For example, Ginger Magician and Ginger Maggotician. Look up the portraits, it's quite well done. Someone obviously got ganked.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:36:00 -
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I would like to remind you youngsters that impersonating other players (and NPCs) has been against the rules since the dawn of the game. So please none of that "EVE is turning care bear" crap. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 As the GM's condone scamming why should cases like these be treated any differently?
Reputation is about the only thing you have in-game with any real value.
Barring impersonation is the only way to maintain that value.
If you want to run a scam based on built up trust, you need to build that trust yourself.
Read up on the greatest scams in Eve, they were all pulled by first establishing trust, not impersonating it.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Matalino
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 As the GM's condone scamming why should cases like these be treated any differently?
Reputation is about the only thing you have in-game with any real value.
Barring impersonation is the only way to maintain that value.
If you want to run a scam based on built up trust, you need to build that trust yourself.
Read up on the greatest scams in Eve, they were all pulled by first establishing trust, not impersonating it.
WHERE THE HECK YOU BEEN MAN? Long time no see, nice to see some of the old regulars back
Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tortun Nahme WHERE THE HECK YOU BEEN MAN? Long time no see, nice to see some of the old regulars back
Back??? I never left. Maybe we have just been visiting different sub-forums.
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Lillian D'Florite
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Gottii Moral of the story...never use Chribba's name in vain...
Thou shall not use thy Lord Chribba's name in vain?
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Mika Meroko
Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus If you don't know Chribba well enough to know what corporation and alliance he is in you have no business using him as a middleman, wth kind of pansyassing is this coming here crying about you not knowing whom you gave your stuff?
to be fair, is the OP crying about how GM took his iskies away...
oh, and yeah, enough of the tough talk...
EULA rules. *shrugs*
we were just explaining to the OP why his iskies got taken away...
that is all.
(to reiterate: .. impersonating others is bad mmkay? =P)
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lillian D'Florite
Originally by: Gottii Moral of the story...never use Chribba's name in vain...
Thou shall not use thy Lord Chribba's name in vain?
Amen!
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Mika Meroko
Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:55:00 -
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Edited by: Mika Meroko on 13/08/2008 23:55:33
Originally by: Matalino
Originally by: Lillian D'Florite
Originally by: Gottii Moral of the story...never use Chribba's name in vain...
Thou shall not use thy Lord Chribba's name in vain?
Amen!
I swear, at this rate Chribba will become the next Leeroy Jerkins...(Fame wise of course..)
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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oilio
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Nexa Necis According to the rules, you can't even do it in jest.
Impersonating another forum user, moderator, volunteer, administrator or CCP employee is strictly prohibited. You are expressly forbidden from impersonating anyone else, including those named above, on the forum or in the game, even in jest. This may be grounds for permanent loss of your Eve account.
I have someone that has done this for months now. I had not petitioned it because I had no clue it was against the rules.
Yaeh, it has to be against the rules really.
Problem is that if they allow impersionation, you will get people creating near identical names and then saying a bunch of nasty stuff in local with the idea of damaging the reputation of the real player. I don't think it's scamming that CCP are worried about - it's kind of "identity theft" to ruin someone's reputation.
Happened to me on Team Fortress one time (of all places). A guy took my name and started ranting a bunch of racism on various servers. Caused a lot of hostility for a while - until I just gave up and changed my name. |
Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:57:00 -
[90]
Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 14/08/2008 00:00:37
Originally by: Mika Meroko
Originally by: Danton Marcellus If you don't know Chribba well enough to know what corporation and alliance he is in you have no business using him as a middleman, wth kind of pansyassing is this coming here crying about you not knowing whom you gave your stuff?
to be fair, is the OP crying about how GM took his iskies away...
oh, and yeah, enough of the tough talk...
EULA rules. *shrugs*
we were just explaining to the OP why his iskies got taken away...
that is all.
(to reiterate: .. impersonating others is bad mmkay? =P)
Knocking in the heads of the idiots giving him money in the first place would be dealing with the problem at its root.
Just start a character called Chrippa and an alliance called Outerland Empire and these dimwits will still think your rep is solid.
Do I condone scamming? No. Do I get tired of hearing people complaining about this that and the other dealing with scamming. Hell yes, can't stand these kind of people and their marks, so please make it a rule to only post about scamming in Crime & Punishment.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Esu Nahalas
The Night Corporation RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Wouldn't have said an easy ride. I had to train corp management 1 :), wait until the real CHRIBBA was offline and there was a certain amount of social engineering on my part as the buyer said when I convoed him 'I didn't see you log on mate'
I just wasted ten minutes of my life reading this thread, because I thought you might have a point regarding "impersonation." WELL WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?
I hope you never see your isk again.
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Korizan
Oort Cloud Industries Ultionis Quietus
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Posted - 2008.08.14 00:04:00 -
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Of all the names you could have picked you picked one that offers mothership ship transactions and then proceeded to perform a scam involving a mothership.
You were impersonating cut and dry.
What I find funny is now you are placing all these warnings about it after you were caught and the ISK was seized.
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heheheh
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.08.14 00:09:00 -
[93]
Damn the people in charge of this game are going downhill fast, Fair enough if you were impersonating staff, but you werent, Chribbas just another guy at the end of the day, no one special.
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Lillian D'Florite
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Posted - 2008.08.14 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: heheheh Damn the people in charge of this game are going downhill fast, Fair enough if you were impersonating staff, but you werent, Chribbas just another guy at the end of the day, no one special.
/me wonders if anyone would post on forum if Eve-files goes down....
and whos name people will call?
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.08.14 00:26:00 -
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Ummmmm... duh, using a similar name incriminates you as trying to impersonate him. doesn't matter what you said or did. you even said it yourself...
Quote: use an ALT similar to CHRIBBA
Last I checked, attempting to be similar is trying to impersonate. I'm willing to bet the character was even similar looking. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man. |
oilio
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.14 00:28:00 -
[96]
Originally by: heheheh Damn the people in charge of this game are going downhill fast, Fair enough if you were impersonating staff, but you werent, Chribbas just another guy at the end of the day, no one special.
You're missing the point.
What about if someone creates a character that looks almost identical to your name, and then starts being abusive, or racist, or whatever? I have been on the receiving end of this trick. The scamming part isn't a big deal - CCP don't care about scamming, but impersonation can be abused in an entirely different way.
If you allow impersonation, you will get people deliberately impersonating to trash someone's reputation. |
Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.08.14 00:30:00 -
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My only beef with the whole rule of it would be that it's put under the Forum rules section and not in the actual game section that the OP was linked to by the original GM.
If the person never came to the forums or clicked the forum rules tab, then they would have no idea. Not that ignorance of the rules is an excuse, but they should be in the appropriate spot really.
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Tiirae
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.14 00:46:00 -
[98]
OP should get his ISK back and name the sucker who fell for it, just so we can laugh. Don't really care about the impersonation issue either way, I just want cheap lolz.
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SpaceSavage
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.08.14 00:51:00 -
[99]
ROFL this is ****ing bullshit once again from CCP.
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.14 01:15:00 -
[100]
Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 14/08/2008 01:24:18
Originally by: GM Krymus To provide some clarification - impersonating another player, be it by creating a character with a similar character name as someone else or simply claiming you are the alt of someone (such as the 'I'm your CEO's alt' scam as described by F'nog), is not allowed.
Regards,
GM Krymus
+1 to the stance of CCP is bullshitting.
Nice policy U-turn change on the "I'm your CEO's alt" scam there.
A friend (Yes a real friend not me) lost about 400 mill to this scam.
Same race and look as the CEO. Around the same age and stuck the corp logo and policy info in his bio.
Basicly all his savings he'd been building up over around 2 1/2 months at the time. (yes I know some of you can earn that in 10 seconds using 20 accounts combined on your Geforce 10 gazillion multimonitor nasa computer)
He went to help channel and got laughed at fair enough, but also some pretty uncalled for nasty abuse from certain people at the time too.
I told him to petition and he got nothing back. You can probably add another couple of dozen other unsung cases to this,
This was around 18 months ago, so I don't know whats changed since then.
I gave him 100 mill but it wasn't much recompance at the time.
The reason this scam worked so well on him is cause the guy convoed me at first, I said I couldn't give him anything cause I was broke (I was), was slightly suspicious but he was only after 5-10 mill from me.
I told my friend that the ceo's alt appears to be chattin to me says he wants isk, and he said I'll go talk to him. The fact I said it was added security and strength to the scammer. Then he said to me later that he gave him 400 million isk. I headbutted the desk.
It was my 2nd most horrible moment of eve, made worse by the treatment of the people in the help channel. Thats why I gave him 100 mill, I had to sell stuff to make it up at the time but it was my fault for the way I saw it.
Old story, and everyone said that's Eve at the time which is fine, cold and harsh n all, now apparently CCP are saying they protect people from it?
Rubbish.
Why should people be protected from impersonation, how is it not the same as contract scams when people miss one letter or one claus? I think we should all learn to accept the responsibility of our own actions ingame as thats how it's always supposed to have been.
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GateScout
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Posted - 2008.08.14 01:38:00 -
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Edited by: GateScout on 14/08/2008 01:42:21
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 Not really bothered about the ISK tbh, the thing that bothers me is that some players have far to much protection from CCP.
You colossal ****ing moron. This is a businessnot your personal playground. CCP will, like any business owner, protect their current and future revenue. If douche nozzles like yourself don't like it, go code up your own game.
I'm am continually amazed at the idiots in this game....
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Joey Meow
MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.08.14 01:45:00 -
[102]
Originally by: SpaceSavage ROFL this is ****ing bullshit once again from CCP.
Again, as others pointed out above:
Impersonation Rule has been in game for years now, shortly in 2004 they have introduced this!!!! So, this is NOT NEW, it is just that some idiots come into the game, and do not read the rules and regulations, with which, mind you, most of our characters have grown up. So, again, the rule has been on the books for at least 4 years, as far as I know - it HAS NEVER CHANGED, THIS IS NOT NEW!!!!
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar L.O.S.T. Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.08.14 02:36:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Panzerr
Laws only apply to actions, not to intentions. You may want to steal as long as you live, but if you don't actually steal, you don't go to jail.
you're either very confused, very dimwitted, or very naive, but either way, you're very wrong.
This message came from the Minmatar Messiah, accept no imitations Pesky LaRue, Minmatar Messiah Bringing Salvation To Your System Soon! ++ PRAY FOR PESKY ++ |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.08.14 02:50:00 -
[104]
what about my alt, Plankton's Chainsaw?
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.08.14 03:26:00 -
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OP may have a point, why is is ok to misrepresent an item or contract but it is not ok to misrepresent yourself?
Is impersonating a old friend of an alliance in order to gain access and intel/items an exploit? What about impersonating a Goonswarm recruiter as Goonfleet memebers love to do? I would hate for all of the great GS scams that give me such rofls to be reversed.
I could argue that all spy activities include impersonating a friend of the alliance and thus are not legit via the definition that GM Krymus and the EULA gave out. Not a flawless arguement but it does bring out some questions.
More clarification and the differences between my examples and the OP's case please? --
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
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Mika Meroko
Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.14 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit OP may have a point, why is is ok to misrepresent an item or contract but it is not ok to misrepresent yourself?
Is impersonating a old friend of an alliance in order to gain access and intel/items an exploit? What about impersonating a Goonswarm recruiter as Goonfleet memebers love to do? I would hate for all of the great GS scams that give me such rofls to be reversed.
I could argue that all spy activities include impersonating a friend of the alliance and thus are not legit via the definition that GM Krymus and the EULA gave out. Not a flawless arguement but it does bring out some questions.
More clarification and the differences between my examples and the OP's case please?
not to be mean... but: if you cant tell the difference btwn an inanimate object (an item) and a person....
you should get your head checked... theres a BIG difference trying to repackage an item (Refund/return something at a store thats obviously broken) vs trying to use another person's reputation (such as using another person's credit card...)
the former isnt going to get you arrested.... (now, before you say, dont bring in RL examples.. keep in mind CCP is the law here. and EULA says no no.)
yes, you can fake stuff and things, even people...
but the moment you TAKE on someone's identity... is not very rosy....CCP doesnt like that...
and now: to deal with your examples: -----
Impersonating a old friend:... thats the same issue as this one, except that if you are doing that, you are probley not gonna pick a friend whos as visable and trusted as Chribba... and that hes your friend and you could probley get away with it without your cover being blown..<--key
they key there is: you are MORE likely to get away with it unnoticed... but still against the EULA...but no body knows if your cover is not blown.... (the OP picked Chribba... yah... enough said.... if OP picked someone else whos less visible.. he might get away with it...and yeah, if it werent for Chribba, he probley wouldnt be able to scam...but yeah the issue is: OP picked someone very visible and exploited Chribba's reputation (ID theft in a sense)....)
the difference in that: OP got CAUGHT doing this, using another person's ID and reputation for his gain.... and breaking EULA... if you pretending to be your friend.. you are likely to get away with it if old friend doesnt play anymore and that you know how your friend acts....
people might just believe you are your friend.
---- Goonswarm recruiter:
well, this case is different in that, errrm, is more of a title.... not a person per-say... I could say I am an amateur gynotologist and yeah.... not gonna be hassaled by people...
I am not impersonating someone by using the title.
hence the goon scams doesnt touch the EULA..... since well, they are not using another person's ID.... they are using their OWN titles.... (if they are an goon and say they are an recruiter for the goon.... is merely a title...)
the difference here is: Chribba is a guy (?... well, pictures of a guy) while Goonswarm recruiter is a title... and titles are hard to be owned by someone... while identities are attached to people more so...
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Vaal, and you are right.... the spy activities that involves impersonating friend of alliance is not legit... but the thing is, PROVING it is a problem... like I said...
OP picked a very bad person to impersonate...
I mean, if someone make a char named "Mika Meruko" and scammed someone, yeah.... 1st, theres no reputation which can be benefited from... and 2nd... yeah I dont think the scam would succeed...
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.14 04:31:00 -
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It should be easy to see why creating another character with a name similar might be an exploit of certain mechanics. But, I don't get why me going "Oh, I am Chribba" is against the rules if someone believed me. It's no different than any other scam where you lie and don't use any exploit.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Wynona
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.08.14 04:42:00 -
[108]
It just keeps getting warmer and cuddlier in here. That's some awesome reacharound the victim got from CCP, I'll bet he's happier than a sissy in boys town right now.
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ImRedYoureDead
Seventh Nation Logistics
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Posted - 2008.08.14 04:43:00 -
[109]
With any large money transaction, whether it be real life or in game, You definately wanna make sure whatevers going on is legit. Whether it was against the EULA or not the guy who got scammed obviously didn't do his homework. I'm sure now, yes, he probably will do some checking up before risking such a large amount of ISK to scammers and thats good, but he should have been like that before. It always takes a major disaster before anyone actually decides to take preventative measures.... This is wrong.... Just do your damn research and prevent the disaster before it happens not afterwards.
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Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.14 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mika Meroko I could argue that all spy activities include impersonating a friend of the alliance and thus are not legit via the definition that GM Krymus and the EULA gave out. Not a flawless arguement but it does bring out some questions.
Depends on how you do it.
If you pretend to be someone, then it is not legit.
If you pretend to be something, then it is.
You are welcome to pretend to be an independant player seaking to help build the alliance, when you are really an alt spy trying to tear them down.
You are not allowed to claim to be the alt of one of their members, or otherwise assume the identity of another player.
Same goes for recruiting scams, a recruiter is a something not a someone.
The only something that you are not allowed to impersonate is an official representive of CCP, be that Dev, GM, ISD, etc.
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nutbar
Caldari Flair Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 05:00:00 -
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I think what happened should be perfectly "legal" in EVE. Even if there is some impersonation rule that's been in effect since 2004, lets be honest - how far does this go.
All those CNR scams you see which are really just normal Ravens... people are making Ravens impersonate CNRs - should those who fall victim to those scams be allowed to petition them and win?
Even if you said you were Chribba (and used the proper spelling), it should be the players responsibility to double check for themselves. Nobody *MADE* them give the isk out. What if the person make a spelling error when handing out the ISK? Could they petition for it back? I doubt CCP would say "oh, well yes you gave it to the wrong person by accident so we'll just give it back to you...". If someone gave you $20 and then came back with the cops and said "oh, I thought you were someone else; give me my $20 back", how would the cops proceed? Even if there were financial records to show that person gave the money, how do they know that they should have any right to take it back?
Simply put - if CCP doesn't outright ban *all* scams, then they can't start picking what scams are and aren't legal (so long as they aren't exploits of the game mechanics of course). You simply used characters that resemble other characters - I see nothing wrong with that... I bet there are TONS of other players in EVE who are doing the same thing - only difference is they might not have pulled off a scam of the same magnitude. Only reason you are getting so much attention is the isk involved most likely, and I think the GM made the wrong decision, and any bs that other CCP officials may give you saying you still violated the EULA I think should be re-examined.
As well, if the EULA truly marks *this* type of scam as an EULA violation, there should be a *whoooooole* lot of petitions started by all sorts of people claiming similar EULA violations for scams they fell victim to (and they should be awarded the win stick).
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Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.14 05:12:00 -
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Edited by: Matalino on 14/08/2008 05:14:15
Originally by: nutbar All those CNR scams you see which are really just normal Ravens... people are making Ravens impersonate CNRs - should those who fall victim to those scams be allowed to petition them and win?
Non-specific substitution is permitted.
You are not trying to make people believe that you are selling them the CNR, your are trying to get them to believe that is a CNR.
The OP's mistake was try to get someone to believe that he is the one and only Chribba. Had he simply tried to make his victim believe that he was an upstanding and trusted mediator, he would not have had any problems with the GM's.
The only generic role that you are not allowed to impersonate is that of CCP representive. Otherwise, to violate the anti-impersonation clause in the EULA, you're going to need to impersonate someone specific, be it a specific person or a specific corp.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.14 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
3. The dictionary definition of impersonate is:
'to assume the character or appearance of; pretend to be'
Now given that my name was spelt differently and my character portrait was different. Any person with half a brain cell would have seen that I wasn't CHRIBBA. I never said in chat that I was CHRIBBA,. I just told the buyer that I was taking care of the sale.
EVECitizen
Looked your in game portrait. It is very similar to the real Chribba portrait, his is a but darker, bu you have made it as similar as possible.
So for the dictionari definition you use you were impersonating him.
Originally by: Gamesguy
the suicide ganking is merely an isk farming activity.
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Sral TBear
Mark Of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.08.14 06:08:00 -
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the name thing....dont care, the name wasent taken, you can use it...se no problem..
If you in chats, talks etc never SAID!! you were him, i actualy dont se you have done anything wrong...no one can blame you that someone takes you for being him just on the name
Again if you never said you were him, and the dude just made the deal because of your name...sorry, you should not be punished any way...
TBear
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2008.08.14 06:21:00 -
[115]
By the way, one other thing that i think has been missed:
Using an alt for a scam should be bannable in any scam/grief/whatnot.
I get and accept that some deviant of a character fools meh moneyz, but not that this guy is some kind of god controlling n-ty of people.
Main scamming, cool. Alt-scamming, not
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Thommy
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Posted - 2008.08.14 06:55:00 -
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It requeires some reading to find the document they linked you to, it is in the FAQ section under names.
It is linked there at the bottom section [Quote]11.5 How do I know what names are not permitted?
Read the User and Character Name Policy. It will give you all the information you need to familiarize yourself with the rules regarding this topic.[/Quote]
You could have reached that document also by going to Eve support >> Game policy >> User policy.
Additionally there is an section in the EULA covered to also deal with character nameing issues namely section 2 B.
Quote: ... You will be assigned a login name and a character name during the registration and character creation process. You may not allow anyone to use your login name or character name to access the System or play EVE. No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the login name or character name of anyone else. ...
There you have it 3 ways you could have read about this and could have known it is an breach of the EULA.
Any other scams are ok because you yourselve take the stick from doing the scam (name and shame) but this scam was banned from being used because it allowed people to ruin the reputation of other people which in turn could have severe consequences for the rest of their eve playtime without any consequences (read disposable alt) for the scammer.
So these documents where allready there and could be reached the normal way even without getting an link from an GM.
Sidenote: If you think an action MAY be an breach of the rules or EULA you should have petitioned for it first and get the word from CCP. Specificly because you allready thought it would be an exploit and ccp would take the money. You got lucky here that there was no character / account ban possibly even carrying over to any other accounts you may have had because when GM's deal with exploiters you usually never hear from them again afterwards. If you ever find that you do get an player ban (not just against the character but an ban on all accounts) you are not allowed to create a new account again because that one will get shut down aswell.
Just for the people who do not understand the rules to well below is scenario written example of why this is not allowed:
Quote: Player IAMAPLAYER plays eve since the start, he is an very formidable player with alot of skillpoints. Someone creates an alt named 1amaplayer, copies the original char his bio and pretends he is the same person. 1amaplayer scams someone. 1amaplayer sends the isk to his main char who cannot be found about by any means. 1amaplayer is deleted by the scammer. iamaplayer is now again the only name there and gets blaimed for the former char 1amaplayer his actions, without any ability to defend against the bad reputation because the original name does not exist anymore.
Consequence: original player his char is ruined and cannot ever redeem from something he did not do, no rewards whatsoever for him. offending player got all the rewards without any of the risks.
This can be used to destroy an person his reputation over and over, upto the point of forceing them to abandon eve because they can not rebuild their char because doing so would forfeit years of building up his character not to mention would even hit their reallife investments turning it all to trash. This is the main reason why ccp does not allow it.
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Disco Flint
The Flaming Sideburn's Blackguard Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.14 07:02:00 -
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With a "regular" scammer, only the victims get hurt, and they do have tools and possibilites to identify a scam beforehand, even if they couldn't hurt the scammer afterwards, they had their chance. However once you impersonate someone else and ruin their reputation it gets out of hand, as the one being impersonated has no chance whatsoever to get revenge. He can wardec you, camp the station you're sitting in all day long and it'll be all for nothing as you don't have to undock to do your scams and to ruin his good name.
So yeah, a good name is worth a lot in EVE and the one being robbed off his good name doesn't have any possibilities to get you, that's why there is this rule.
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techzer0
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.08.14 07:39:00 -
[118]
There is a guy named "techzerO" (with an "O" not the number like I have) in eve who has gotten a few of my ransoms. I demand justice!
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Angelic Orange
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Posted - 2008.08.14 08:17:00 -
[119]
To me this seems like an abuse of power. If you used a name spelt Chri8ba and never said that you were "the" chribba then there is no problem. EVE is supposed to be a place where things like this can happen and for a long time they did happen. Now though I don't know. I have one account that is banned from the forums because I said "******". EVE is slowly becoming the place where you can only do what CCP wants you to do instead of doing what you want to do and making ISK in the process. I totally agree with you though EVECitizen19821743, they should refund you the isk and change your name back to chri8ba because anyone with half a brain would realize that chri8ba is not chribba. I mean seriously, if they change chri8ba to EVEcitezenwhatever, but all the people with Orion or Dark or Darth in their names are allowed to keep them then that is an injustice in the world. And there are a shitton of Orions Darks and Darths in EVE. Who is to stop them from scamming people??
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Angelic Orange
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Posted - 2008.08.14 08:25:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Disco Flint With a "regular" scammer, only the victims get hurt, and they do have tools and possibilites to identify a scam beforehand, even if they couldn't hurt the scammer afterwards, they had their chance. However once you impersonate someone else and ruin their reputation it gets out of hand, as the one being impersonated has no chance whatsoever to get revenge. He can wardec you, camp the station you're sitting in all day long and it'll be all for nothing as you don't have to undock to do your scams and to ruin his good name.
So yeah, a good name is worth a lot in EVE and the one being robbed off his good name doesn't have any possibilities to get you, that's why there is this rule.
What if I made a character named Disco Fint and scammed someone? Would that really hurt you? Would I be impersonating you or would the dumbass that fell for the scam say, "Damn that disco fint, I'll get them" Personally I feel in the greater scheme of scams using names that are names of characters just spelt differently is perfectly acceptable in the course of a scam. As long as you don't say you are them or an alt of them then there should be no problems what so ever. This scam being reversed just goes to show though that CCP does play favoritism and truely is moving more towards hello kitty online than the cruel dark universe that EVE is supposed to be.
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Angelic Orange
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Posted - 2008.08.14 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: GM Krymus To provide some clarification - impersonating another player, be it by creating a character with a similar character name as someone else or simply claiming you are the alt of someone (such as the 'I'm your CEO's alt' scam as described by F'nog), is not allowed.
Regards,
GM Krymus
If this is true the why are there so many Darth such and suches, so many Orion such and such so many Dark whatevers. I call bullshit on this GM Krymus and say that you are just throwing this out there to cover yourself or your GM buddies ass. How about you go into the database and change everyones name that isn't Nemesis, you know the ones that are n3mesis or nemes1s or neme5is or nemesi5 ..... BULLSHIT. I should make an alt name Penn& Teller to call out posts like this.
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Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.08.14 08:35:00 -
[122]
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: The Herrick Remember kids, scamming and stealing is a-ok, but don't for a second think about impersonating everyones favorite miner.
Thats exactly what i'm thinking. If it had been anyone else would CCP have done the same thing?
EVECitizen
Yep. They are very strict about it. And as all cases are handled by GM's on case by case basis it's almost impossible to spin a tale in a way to convince them.
In a nutshell, as long as someone does not petition you you can sit with your similar name. As soon as someone does right for the name goes for the person who had it first and your's got removed. If scam was involved or you managed to profit from that similar name by some other mistake (say someone escrowed you a lot of stuff thinking you were the other person with very similar name) there is very good propability that the transaction will be reversed in case of petition.
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core
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Posted - 2008.08.14 08:35:00 -
[123]
well technicly your right but in this case chribba is an name , a branch, it stands for security..
His name could be dishonord and people could talk about him wrongly.. while he never did anything wrong.. so in this case its something else www.garia.net |
Mika Meroko
Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.14 08:41:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Angelic Orange
Originally by: GM Krymus To provide some clarification - impersonating another player, be it by creating a character with a similar character name as someone else or simply claiming you are the alt of someone (such as the 'I'm your CEO's alt' scam as described by F'nog), is not allowed.
Regards,
GM Krymus
If this is true the why are there so many Darth such and suches, so many Orion such and such so many Dark whatevers. I call bullshit on this GM Krymus and say that you are just throwing this out there to cover yourself or your GM buddies ass. How about you go into the database and change everyones name that isn't Nemesis, you know the ones that are n3mesis or nemes1s or neme5is or nemesi5 ..... BULLSHIT. I should make an alt name Penn& Teller to call out posts like this.
someone needs to read the EULA CCP put out ages ago....(you know, the one thats been there since the game started..)
The thing is, theres co-incidence, and theres blantant impersonation,
OP's case is the latter, he copied Chribba's bio, and other information to make himself look as much as Chribba as possible...
and he admitted afew times here that he planned to scam using another person's established identity that... quite frankly, is worth something..
so, scamming with in-game tools = okay..
scamming with out of game stuff (in this case, the reputation Chribba developed over the years) = not soo cool...
OP messed up cause he picked a VERY visible person to impersonate..
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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Mika Meroko
Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.14 08:43:00 -
[125]
Edited by: Mika Meroko on 14/08/2008 08:43:52
Originally by: Angelic Orange
Originally by: GM Krymus To provide some clarification - impersonating another player, be it by creating a character with a similar character name as someone else or simply claiming you are the alt of someone (such as the 'I'm your CEO's alt' scam as described by F'nog), is not allowed.
Regards,
GM Krymus
If this is true the why are there so many Darth such and suches, so many Orion such and such so many Dark whatevers. I call bullshit on this GM Krymus and say that you are just throwing this out there to cover yourself or your GM buddies ass. How about you go into the database and change everyones name that isn't Nemesis, you know the ones that are n3mesis or nemes1s or neme5is or nemesi5 ..... BULLSHIT. I should make an alt name Penn& Teller to call out posts like this.
someone needs to read the EULA CCP put out ages ago....(you know, the one thats been there since the game started..)
The thing is, theres co-incidence, and theres blantant impersonation,
one is relatively harmless, the other is exploitation for profit..
OP's case is the latter, he copied Chribba's bio, and other information to make himself look as much as Chribba as possible...he even waited for the real thing to log off before he planned his "attack" ...
so yeah, is no coincident..
and he admitted afew times here that he planned to scam using another person's established identity that... quite frankly, is worth something..
so, scamming with in-game tools = okay..
scamming with out of game stuff (in this case, the reputation Chribba developed over the years) = not soo cool...
edit: OP messed up cause he picked a VERY visible person to impersonate..
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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Angelic Orange
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Posted - 2008.08.14 08:45:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Carniflex
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: The Herrick Remember kids, scamming and stealing is a-ok, but don't for a second think about impersonating everyones favorite miner.
Thats exactly what i'm thinking. If it had been anyone else would CCP have done the same thing?
EVECitizen
Yep. They are very strict about it. And as all cases are handled by GM's on case by case basis it's almost impossible to spin a tale in a way to convince them.
In a nutshell, as long as someone does not petition you you can sit with your similar name. As soon as someone does right for the name goes for the person who had it first and your's got removed. If scam was involved or you managed to profit from that similar name by some other mistake (say someone escrowed you a lot of stuff thinking you were the other person with very similar name) there is very good propability that the transaction will be reversed in case of petition.
look at this coming from carniflex... do you know how many different variations of your name there are in EVE? Are you the original or is carn1flex the original. Does carnifex have to worry about his name getting changed because someone sent him things that were ment for you? I cann bullshit on it all. If people are to dumb to realize with whom they are dealing with that is their loss. It should not be up to CCP to police names that resemble another players name unless that name braks the code of conduct for a characters name.
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Angelic Orange
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Posted - 2008.08.14 08:53:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Mika Meroko Edited by: Mika Meroko on 14/08/2008 08:43:52
Originally by: Angelic Orange
Originally by: GM Krymus To provide some clarification - impersonating another player, be it by creating a character with a similar character name as someone else or simply claiming you are the alt of someone (such as the 'I'm your CEO's alt' scam as described by F'nog), is not allowed.
Regards,
GM Krymus
If this is true the why are there so many Darth such and suches, so many Orion such and such so many Dark whatevers. I call bullshit on this GM Krymus and say that you are just throwing this out there to cover yourself or your GM buddies ass. How about you go into the database and change everyones name that isn't Nemesis, you know the ones that are n3mesis or nemes1s or neme5is or nemesi5 ..... BULLSHIT. I should make an alt name Penn& Teller to call out posts like this.
someone needs to read the EULA CCP put out ages ago....(you know, the one thats been there since the game started..)
The thing is, theres co-incidence, and theres blantant impersonation,
one is relatively harmless, the other is exploitation for profit..
OP's case is the latter, he copied Chribba's bio, and other information to make himself look as much as Chribba as possible...he even waited for the real thing to log off before he planned his "attack" ...
so yeah, is no coincident..
and he admitted afew times here that he planned to scam using another person's established identity that... quite frankly, is worth something..
so, scamming with in-game tools = okay..
scamming with out of game stuff (in this case, the reputation Chribba developed over the years) = not soo cool...
edit: OP messed up cause he picked a VERY visible person to impersonate..
And ... he used all in game tools to scam right? Going by what you said he use an in game bio, an in game name, scammed for ingame isk and won. There is a little think I like to call people and places. In this thing I can search for people. I can look at all their bios employment histories and what have you and copy just about anything I like or want to. The OP said though that he never claimed to the mark that he was "the" chribba and obviously his employment history and NAME would show that this account wasn't Chribba. So where is the foul in so dumb fool not reading the fine print and getting scammed?
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2008.08.14 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Angelic Orange As long as you don't say you are them or an alt of them then there should be no problems what so ever.
As soon as you take on a name similar to another name you ARE saying you are the other person. Communication is not only done with words. Actions can speak loud, as do names, obviously. -------------------------------------------------- I'm a rich person. How I know? I can afford to be a miner. |
Angelic Orange
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Posted - 2008.08.14 08:59:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind
Originally by: Angelic Orange As long as you don't say you are them or an alt of them then there should be no problems what so ever.
As soon as you take on a name similar to another name you ARE saying you are the other person. Communication is not only done with words. Actions can speak loud, as do names, obviously.
Just take a guess at how many Cyberman characters there are in EVE.
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 09:10:00 -
[130]
Hmm, It's shaky at best.
As has been said, there are tons of names that are very very similar to each others. The fact that Chribba is a well known name is irrelevant imo.
As long as you said you didnt actually claim to BE Chribba then i think it's a bit harsh.
For instance. How many EVECitizen(randomnumbers) are there? If any of them did a scam would they be ruled to have been impersonating any of the others? NO.
I hope you do get your money back EVEcitizen if what you say is true.
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Jet Max
Gallente Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.14 09:11:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Angelic Orange
Originally by: GM Krymus To provide some clarification - impersonating another player, be it by creating a character with a similar character name as someone else or simply claiming you are the alt of someone (such as the 'I'm your CEO's alt' scam as described by F'nog), is not allowed.
Regards,
GM Krymus
If this is true the why are there so many Darth such and suches, so many Orion such and such so many Dark whatevers. I call bullshit on this GM Krymus and say that you are just throwing this out there to cover yourself or your GM buddies ass. How about you go into the database and change everyones name that isn't Nemesis, you know the ones that are n3mesis or nemes1s or neme5is or nemesi5 ..... BULLSHIT. I should make an alt name Penn& Teller to call out posts like this.
I dont like scammers/thiefs but i must agree with Angelic Orange here, what GM Krymus posted is absolute crap... There are so many alts out there with names that replace other peoples names with few digits and GM comes up with this!? wtf?
But hey GM Krymus, we like to bend rules sometimes to suit us, dont we?
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.08.14 09:19:00 -
[132]
all they have to do it petition the name and then it will be looked into, if they have the same name and look the same and have a bio the same then it is impersonation - if they 2 names are similar but nothing else matches then a different matter
the character BIG Games has been impersonated before and each time it gets removed after a petition - not as it's created -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 09:23:00 -
[133]
So.. Does this now mean we should all go into the character search and start petitioning all names that are similar to each other? It's the only way to be fair and keep things unbiased.
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.08.14 09:26:00 -
[134]
yes if you 1) want the petition queue to grow 2) feel that someone is impersonating you or another character -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
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Wild Rho
Amarr Silent Core
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Posted - 2008.08.14 09:29:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Rhatar Khurin So.. Does this now mean we should all go into the character search and start petitioning all names that are similar to each other? It's the only way to be fair and keep things unbiased.
Only if those characters have identical portraits, bios and/or one is claiming to be the other character. Now go get yourself a common sense implant.
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Lillian D'Florite
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Posted - 2008.08.14 09:33:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Wild Rho
Originally by: Rhatar Khurin So.. Does this now mean we should all go into the character search and start petitioning all names that are similar to each other? It's the only way to be fair and keep things unbiased.
Only if those characters have identical portraits, bios and/or one is claiming to be the other character. Now go get yourself a common sense implant.
this:
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 09:36:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Wild Rho
Originally by: Rhatar Khurin So.. Does this now mean we should all go into the character search and start petitioning all names that are similar to each other? It's the only way to be fair and keep things unbiased.
Only if those characters have identical portraits, bios and/or one is claiming to be the other character. Now go get yourself a common sense implant.
It wasn't a serious comment. I'm sorry that text doesn't quite convey sarcasm well. Maybe i should have used more smilies?
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Mika Meroko
Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.14 09:37:00 -
[138]
Edited by: Mika Meroko on 14/08/2008 09:40:53
Originally by: Angelic Orange And ... he used all in game tools to scam right? Going by what you said he use an in game bio, an in game name, scammed for ingame isk and won. There is a little think I like to call people and places. In this thing I can search for people. I can look at all their bios employment histories and what have you and copy just about anything I like or want to. The OP said though that he never claimed to the mark that he was "the" chribba and obviously his employment history and NAME would show that this account wasn't Chribba. So where is the foul in so dumb fool not reading the fine print and getting scammed?
But the thing is:
would he been able to get that money if he say.... did a Mika Meruko as part of the Crayon Postings Inc?
and yes, the OP implied that hes Chribba.... he took the effort to make himself LOOK like him... he admited to waiting for the real thing to log off before convoing the guy and "used social engineering" AKA manipulation on his mark...
thats impersonation... and CCP doesnt like that, is in the EULA.... (which was made ages ago...)
if hes like: "Hey!!!! you there, you want to buy a mothership?" without all the hoobob...
then is a different case....
seriously... not all form of communication are verbal....
and yeah, CCP's rules.. and quite frankly, he just got caught breaking EULA in the way thats a big no no....
if he doesnt do anything with his ChriB8a... then I doubt anything would happen...since I doubt anyone would petition him for doing bad things...(if he doesnt do anything bad.. at most, he probley would get asked by GM, asking what he want to change his name to...)
but the issue is... he impersonated someone... and got caught doing it ...(while breaking the EULA..)
*I suggest you read all of OP's words... and think of the implications...*
remember: We are just explaining to him WHY GM did what GM did (cause someone petitioned him breaking EULA.... that being the key....)
edit: if you want to argue how CCP should change the EULA.. take it up with an CSM...
no use arguing how you feel about it here.
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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Disco Flint
The Flaming Sideburn's Blackguard Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.14 09:48:00 -
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Edited by: Disco Flint on 14/08/2008 09:54:05
Originally by: Angelic Orange
Originally by: Disco Flint With a "regular" scammer, only the victims get hurt, and they do have tools and possibilites to identify a scam beforehand, even if they couldn't hurt the scammer afterwards, they had their chance. However once you impersonate someone else and ruin their reputation it gets out of hand, as the one being impersonated has no chance whatsoever to get revenge. He can wardec you, camp the station you're sitting in all day long and it'll be all for nothing as you don't have to undock to do your scams and to ruin his good name.
So yeah, a good name is worth a lot in EVE and the one being robbed off his good name doesn't have any possibilities to get you, that's why there is this rule.
What if I made a character named Disco Fint and scammed someone? Would that really hurt you? Would I be impersonating you or would the dumbass that fell for the scam say, "Damn that disco fint, I'll get them" Personally I feel in the greater scheme of scams using names that are names of characters just spelt differently is perfectly acceptable in the course of a scam. As long as you don't say you are them or an alt of them then there should be no problems what so ever. This scam being reversed just goes to show though that CCP does play favoritism and truely is moving more towards hello kitty online than the cruel dark universe that EVE is supposed to be.
It wouldn't hurt me because I wouldn't care, I don't make money in EVE nor do I partake in activities that require a lot of trust and a lot of good reputation. But there are those who do, and running scams under a name that can easily be mistaken as the original does erode a lot of trust; and for the "original" owner there's then no way to get back at you. Heck I couldn't think of an ingame mechanic that would allow revenge for the original name owner for the life of me. Solving that with a simple line in the EULA and GM intervention should this part of the EULA be violated seems to be the most prudent course of action. You read the rules, you break them, GMs hit you with a stick. As long as they hit everyone who breaks the rules with the same stick I don't see favouritism there. Also, it doesn't make the EVE-verse less dark and harsh when stupid people who can't read or simply ignore the rules get whacked.
I'm totally not for GM intervention with "normal" scams, mind you, there's plenty of things in place already to give the victims a great chance to notice the scam beforehand, e.g. ISK values being given in numbers and letters or pictures and un-changable item names showing in contracts. But for using someone else's reputation, there's no possibility at all for the original name owner to avoid it, unless he creates a lot of accounts and alts with every possible way of spelling his name. edit: And after the ebil deed has been done by the scammer, there's also no possibility to get justice with guns, as the scammer can loftily sit docked in a market hub all day, doesn't hurt the business one bit. So, again, no possibility for the original name owner to do a damn thing about it, except maybe to spam up local (more, if you're in Jita).
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Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.08.14 09:55:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Angelic Orange Edited by: Angelic Orange on 14/08/2008 08:47:13 Edited by: Angelic Orange on 14/08/2008 08:46:21
Originally by: Carniflex
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743
Originally by: The Herrick Remember kids, scamming and stealing is a-ok, but don't for a second think about impersonating everyones favorite miner.
Thats exactly what i'm thinking. If it had been anyone else would CCP have done the same thing?
EVECitizen
Yep. They are very strict about it. And as all cases are handled by GM's on case by case basis it's almost impossible to spin a tale in a way to convince them.
In a nutshell, as long as someone does not petition you you can sit with your similar name. As soon as someone does right for the name goes for the person who had it first and your's got removed. If scam was involved or you managed to profit from that similar name by some other mistake (say someone escrowed you a lot of stuff thinking you were the other person with very similar name) there is very good propability that the transaction will be reversed in case of petition.
look at this coming from carniflex... do you know how many different variations of your name there are in EVE? Are you the original or is carn1flex the original. Does carnifex have to worry about his name getting changed because someone sent him things that were ment for you? I call bullshit on it all. If people are to dumb to realize with whom they are dealing with that is their loss. It should not be up to CCP to police names that resemble another players name unless that name brakes the code of conduct for a characters name.
edit spelling
If he has been in game less than me then yes. He might get his name changed would I petition about it. However as I'm not aware of any impersonation attempts I see no reason to throw tantrum about it. Or I might get mine changed would any of the others who are older than me in game petition about it. In any case GM's will deal with it on case by case basis when and if it's petitioned.
People I deal with write my full name in contracts and have to pick character over some corporation (I have no ties to that corporation whatsoever). Not very hard.
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fuze
Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.08.14 10:36:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Jet Max I dont like scammers/thiefs but i must agree with Angelic Orange here, what GM Krymus posted is absolute crap... There are so many alts out there with names that replace other peoples names with few digits and GM comes up with this!? wtf?
I Agree as well. There are tons of near exact names/faces chars out there and there isn't much done about it unless someone gets scammed and petitions it.
Originally by: Jet Max But hey GM Krymus, we like to bend rules sometimes to suit us, don't we?
This seems a bit harsh but there is some truth in it I suppose. I guess its handled case by case and then there is room for interpretation. With example of post #106 I'd say it's alarming to see that not all cases handled in a similar way. |
Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2008.08.14 10:43:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Angelic Orange Just take a guess at how many Cyberman characters there are in EVE.
Probably dozens. But since this is only part of my name, there is no chance of confusion/impersonation. If there were a "Cyberman_Mastermind" or Cyberman Masterm1nd", it would be a different matter. |
Neesa Corrinne
Dark Destiny Inc. Send More Paramedics
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Posted - 2008.08.14 10:47:00 -
[143]
If the OP had used a goon or (someone else that everyone loves to hate), then half the people here telling him he's an ******* for doing this would be cheering him on instead.
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Victor Valka
Caldari Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.14 10:49:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne If the OP had used a goon or (someone else that everyone loves to hate), then half the people here telling him he's an ******* for doing this would be cheering him on instead.
Spawn more overlords!
(I felt like random.)
Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
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Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.08.14 10:57:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne If the OP had used a goon or (someone else that everyone loves to hate), then half the people here telling him he's an ******* for doing this would be cheering him on instead.
I find it unlikely that anyone would use goons as trusted third party in any transaction.
Anyway. Cribba is just very very prominent player and thus this case is somewhat 'high profile'. And as ill intent was clearly present then the op got what was coming for him. There is reason why real humans review all those petitons on case to case basis. There are prodedures in place to escalate petitions should one feel to suffer from some GM injustice. EULA is not juridical document you can take into court, GM's are those who are there judging what is and what is not allowed, they don't do so from their own infinite wisdom but follow CCP policies. EULA is just rough guideline so you would know what to expect if you do this or that.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Federation Fleet
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Posted - 2008.08.14 11:00:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Wild Rho
Originally by: Rhatar Khurin So.. Does this now mean we should all go into the character search and start petitioning all names that are similar to each other? It's the only way to be fair and keep things unbiased.
Only if those characters have identical portraits, bios and/or one is claiming to be the other character. Now go get yourself a common sense implant.
Common Sense? Nooo!
It BURNS us, Precious, it BURNSSSS USSSS!
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Skylar Keenan
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.14 11:13:00 -
[147]
Edited by: Skylar Keenan on 14/08/2008 11:13:34 First off; I can of course see why Chribba wouldn't want to be impersonated. If I had built the same reputation it'd **** me off too.
BUT apart from that I see no reason why this shouldn't be allowed. If you're handing over 15b ISK to a 3rd party, at least make bloody damn sure that it's the right one. It'll take what? 5 minuttes to check all the failsaves...
If people fall for a similar name (and the portrait wasn't even the same, not to mention the employment history) I want to know where they live and claim to be their banker, and see if they'll hand over their entire savings to cover their "mortgage" without even checking my credentials.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2008.08.14 11:22:00 -
[148]
The GM decision is the correct one, and there's plenty of precedent for it - in particular, with people trying to impersonate EBANK or BIG Lottery staff. Zzz research towers Direrie NEW: Liekuri
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whip'd cream
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Posted - 2008.08.14 11:53:00 -
[149]
I will never order them strippers in police uniforms again !!!
Man, tbh i think what you did was perfectly ok, your name isn't cribba, nor did you claim to be him, yea it's the buyers fault for not checking info's, and if CCP has removed your iskies then i can see alot of petitions going in (and by rights CCP will now need to refund 9/10 scam's)
TYVM for bringing this to the attention of the forums we now know you cant be scammed by a char that sounds like a respectable char
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Vyktor Abyss
IONSTAR Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.14 11:56:00 -
[150]
It is good that leeches and parasites like the original poster get spanked by CCP.
Everyone knows what you were trying to do, and you if you can't see the damage you do to the game by doing such leeching then you're more blind than those trying to use Chri8ba's trade service.
Well played GMs.
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viaticae
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:02:00 -
[151]
This is just further proof that CCP is now catering to, and promoting, care bears.
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Roshan longshot
Gallente Ordos Humanitas
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:05:00 -
[152]
I thought scamming was allowed???
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viaticae
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:06:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Roshan longshot I thought scamming was allowed???
We is the new era of care bear. CCP has forsaken vets.
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Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:07:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Roshan longshot I thought scamming was allowed???
Scamming is. Impersonating is not.
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Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:08:00 -
[155]
Originally by: viaticae
Originally by: Roshan longshot I thought scamming was allowed???
We is the new era of care bear. CCP has forsaken vets.
Vet's are the original owners of their names usually Would you not think ? Afterall hinting that one is vet kinda generates assumtion that he/she has been playing for a long while.
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Zun Da
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:12:00 -
[156]
Hahhaha
You made a character with almost the exact name of Chribba, copied his bio and made everything so that people would believe you are the 'real' Chribba so that they would trust you with their mothership trades? All against the rules of course.
And now CCP pwnd you and you come to the forums and whine about it? That is funny.
There can be only one CHRIBBA!!!
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:14:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Angelic Orange
Originally by: GM Krymus To provide some clarification - impersonating another player, be it by creating a character with a similar character name as someone else or simply claiming you are the alt of someone (such as the 'I'm your CEO's alt' scam as described by F'nog), is not allowed.
Regards,
GM Krymus
If this is true the why are there so many Darth such and suches, so many Orion such and such so many Dark whatevers. I call bullshit on this GM Krymus and say that you are just throwing this out there to cover yourself or your GM buddies ass. How about you go into the database and change everyones name that isn't Nemesis, you know the ones that are n3mesis or nemes1s or neme5is or nemesi5 ..... BULLSHIT. I should make an alt name Penn& Teller to call out posts like this.
I had a think about it as to why it things would be as they are. That there would be no recompance in posts like 106 I posted etc... And I came up with...
To some part a GM's interpretation, a player may not...
-CREATE a char for the sole purpose of impersonation and using it for a scam.
I think it's like 1st and 2nd degree murder.
If it's premeditated and you abuse the disposable alt system then it's a nono, if you just happen to see a fitting victim pass by in local (like case in post 106) then it would appear that it's ok.
But then that leads on to what others have already put, then why is it ok to use disposable alts for all kinds of regular scamming?
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Wil Smithx
Minmatar Suns Of Korhal
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:14:00 -
[158]
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 I spent quite a lot of time carefully reading the EULA before I carried out this operation.
The idea was that I would setup a fake mothership sale and use an ALT similar to CHRIBBA to steal the buyers money.
It worked. Now I had an idea that CCP would see it as a scam/exploit and take the ISK off me. Which they did.
They mailed me and explained that because I had impersonated CHRIBBA I had violated the EULA. The link that they gave me to help explain this is:
http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/namepolicy.asp
Now I have gone back and read the whole EULA and I cant see anywhere anything about setting up a character with a similar name and doing this is a violation.
Not really bothered about the ISK tbh, the thing that bothers me is that some players have far to much protection from CCP. It would have taken the buyer 10 seconds to check the person he was speaking to and realise that it was not 'the' CHRIBBA. There are thousands of scams/exploits that go on everyday why is this an exception??
I know the ALT that I setup to do the scam was similar to CHRIBBA, but, at no time during the transaction did I claim to be CHRIBBA or carry out secure transactions.
In my eyes if a player is stupid enough to give me the ISK for a mothership without doing the proper checks then he deserves to lose it, just like it would be in RL.
I'll leave you with some words of wisdom from CCP:
Tips
* DON'T TRUST ANYONE. It's a tough galaxy out there, and anyone could betray you. * Make sure that the person you are doing business with is who he says he is. EVE-Online has a unique naming policy, making it impossible for more than one player to have the same name. However, names may be very similar, and it is a good idea to be 100% certain that the party you are dealing with is the real thing. Also, never believe someone who says he is an alternate character of someone you know but doesn't offer any proper proof.
Thanks for your time,
EVECitizen19821743 formerly CHRI8BA
I think what you did was fine...
You gotta be pretty dumb not to check who you're dealing with carefully...
And after people used lag in jita to get away with the trade scams and CCP said that wasn't an exploit...
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Wild Rho
Amarr Silent Core
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:15:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Rhatar Khurin
Originally by: Wild Rho
Originally by: Rhatar Khurin So.. Does this now mean we should all go into the character search and start petitioning all names that are similar to each other? It's the only way to be fair and keep things unbiased.
Only if those characters have identical portraits, bios and/or one is claiming to be the other character. Now go get yourself a common sense implant.
It wasn't a serious comment. I'm sorry that text doesn't quite convey sarcasm well. Maybe i should have used more smilies?
Smilies make everything better <3
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:20:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Skylar Keenan
First off; I can of course see why Chribba wouldn't want to be impersonated. If I had built the same reputation it'd **** me off too.
BUT apart from that I see no reason why this shouldn't be allowed.
Because it is in the EULA expressivly forbidden. You can also say that you cannot see any reason for not selling isk on ebay, not using macros etc. because all that is something what YOU want to do.
But it is not your game. You are not setting the rules. It is CCP who is setting the rules. If you cannot accept these rules, go elsewhere.
If they say, impersonating other chars (and it doesn't matter if they are famous or not) is forbidden, then it is the best (any only) reason why not to use such a method. If you don't care and violate the eula, you will have to live with the consequences.
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Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:20:00 -
[161]
Originally by: viaticae This is just further proof that CCP is now catering to, and promoting, care bears.
QFT
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:42:00 -
[162]
Originally by: viaticae
Originally by: Roshan longshot I thought scamming was allowed???
We is the new era of care bear. CCP has forsaken vets.
This rule has always been in place. Wtf are you on about?
Eve-Online: The Text Adventure |
Victor Valka
Caldari Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:53:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: viaticae
Originally by: Roshan longshot I thought scamming was allowed???
We is the new era of care bear. CCP has forsaken vets.
This rule has always been in place. Wtf are you on about?
Do yourself a favor and don't try to understand it.
I felt like an idiot while reading this thread because I couldn't for the life of me figure what everyone was on about.
Then I realized most are mentally handicapped trolls who don't have two brain-cells to rub together.
Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
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Asestorian
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.14 13:00:00 -
[164]
Reading this thread makes me cry. Sure, some of the stupid comments are trolls, but there is going to be at least one person (other than the OP) who really is that lacking in common sense
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Quote: EVE is unfair by design.
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.14 13:11:00 -
[165]
scamming is allowed till you impersonate someone (be it "i'm alt of jesus" or by mistyping the name, like the op did).
thread was over 4 pages ago -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Shevar
Minmatar A.W.M Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.08.14 13:35:00 -
[166]
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 I spent quite a lot of time carefully reading the EULA before I carried out this operation.
The idea was that I would setup a fake mothership sale and use an ALT similar to CHRIBBA to steal the buyers money.
It worked. Now I had an idea that CCP would see it as a scam/exploit and take the ISK off me. Which they did.
They mailed me and explained that because I had impersonated CHRIBBA I had violated the EULA. The link that they gave me to help explain this is:
http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/namepolicy.asp
Now I have gone back and read the whole EULA and I cant see anywhere anything about setting up a character with a similar name and doing this is a violation.
Not really bothered about the ISK tbh, the thing that bothers me is that some players have far to much protection from CCP. It would have taken the buyer 10 seconds to check the person he was speaking to and realise that it was not 'the' CHRIBBA. There are thousands of scams/exploits that go on everyday why is this an exception??
I know the ALT that I setup to do the scam was similar to CHRIBBA, but, at no time during the transaction did I claim to be CHRIBBA or carry out secure transactions.
In my eyes if a player is stupid enough to give me the ISK for a mothership without doing the proper checks then he deserves to lose it, just like it would be in RL.
I'll leave you with some words of wisdom from CCP:
Tips
* DON'T TRUST ANYONE. It's a tough galaxy out there, and anyone could betray you. * Make sure that the person you are doing business with is who he says he is. EVE-Online has a unique naming policy, making it impossible for more than one player to have the same name. However, names may be very similar, and it is a good idea to be 100% certain that the party you are dealing with is the real thing. Also, never believe someone who says he is an alternate character of someone you know but doesn't offer any proper proof.
Thanks for your time,
EVECitizen19821743 formerly CHRI8BA
I didn't knew Chribba was either a NPC, a CCP employee or CCP representative?
* Impersonate or parody any employee or representative of EVE Online, CCP, Customer Support personnel or volunteers. * Impersonate or parody an NPC type from the EVE game world (i.e. CONCORD or other official NPC corporation or organization members) for the purpose of misleading other players. * Reflect, glorify or emulate any real-world group or organization, terrorist society, criminal elements, discriminating organizations or their leaders and figureheads. This includes the use of names of real-world military, political or religious groups. * Be obscene, vulgar, sexually explicit, offensive, hurtful, harmful, promote drugs, profane, anti-gay, and ethnically, racially or sexually offensive or impart any real-world hostility toward a specific nationality, race or religion.
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Shevar
Minmatar A.W.M Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.08.14 13:37:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro The GM decision is the correct one, and there's plenty of precedent for it - in particular, with people trying to impersonate EBANK or BIG Lottery staff.
In that case the rules should be adjusted since they currently don't have anything against impersonating a player. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs |
Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.08.14 13:44:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Akita T EULA, 2B "No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity."
While this is a bit far-fetched, it falls a bit under "gray area", and... well... eh, nevermind.
This is easily the shittiest rule in the game. The rule says you cant impersonate ANYONE in game...but what it really should say, for clarification is "do not impersonate anyone who we think is an Eve-Celeb"...Regardless, no one should be held to a higher standard than the rest of this community. If someone falls for a scam involving a "fake" Chribba, thats no ones fault but the person who got scammed.
_____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.14 14:06:00 -
[169]
Identity Theft is a CRIME in the majority of the world, INCLUDING virtual identity in an increasing number of countries
Quote: I spent quite a lot of time carefully reading the EULA before I carried out this operation.
The idea was that I would setup a fake mothership sale and use an ALT similar to CHRIBBA to steal the buyers money
quoting the first two lines of the OP to point out it wasn't a "mistaken" case of identity theft, but in fact a calculated attempt
to those of you defending it...
Please scan me a copy of your drivers liscence, you won't mind that I ruin your credit, reputation, and possibly even get you put in prison.
Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Ranger 1
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.08.14 14:07:00 -
[170]
CCP can interpret their rule set however they like.
CCP can rewrite their rule set whenever they like.
Problem?
Take it elsewhere.
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Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.08.14 14:09:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
Originally by: Akita T EULA, 2B "No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity."
While this is a bit far-fetched, it falls a bit under "gray area", and... well... eh, nevermind.
This is easily the shittiest rule in the game. The rule says you cant impersonate ANYONE in game...but what it really should say, for clarification is "do not impersonate anyone who we think is an Eve-Celeb"...Regardless, no one should be held to a higher standard than the rest of this community. If someone falls for a scam involving a "fake" Chribba, thats no ones fault but the person who got scammed.
It says excatly what it reads. You indeed are not allowed to impersonate any EVE player for whatever reasons. Be it then picking similar portrait and char name (not to mention coping his char name and creating corp with similar name and logo) or even just claiming 'I'm sir molle's alt'. No matter if your target is celebrity or some regular nobody.
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.08.14 14:12:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Carniflex
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
Originally by: Akita T EULA, 2B "No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity."
While this is a bit far-fetched, it falls a bit under "gray area", and... well... eh, nevermind.
This is easily the shittiest rule in the game. The rule says you cant impersonate ANYONE in game...but what it really should say, for clarification is "do not impersonate anyone who we think is an Eve-Celeb"...Regardless, no one should be held to a higher standard than the rest of this community. If someone falls for a scam involving a "fake" Chribba, thats no ones fault but the person who got scammed.
It says excatly what it reads. You indeed are not allowed to impersonate any EVE player for whatever reasons. Be it then picking similar portrait and char name (not to mention coping his char name and creating corp with similar name and logo) or even just claiming 'I'm sir molle's alt'. No matter if your target is celebrity or some regular nobody.
so then..why havent the 2023423832402334 variations of my mains name been banned yet?...again, if you're not an Eve-Celeb, you're not entitled to protection, end of story. _____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.08.14 14:15:00 -
[173]
I also find it funny how people are bringing up mentions of peopel impersonating In-Game investment personalities. Howcome theres protection against losing your ISK to an imposter, but theres none whatsoever for losing your ISK to these outright scams of IPOs and "Banks"??
It's one or the other, CCP...make a decision, and apply it universally. _____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.08.14 14:31:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
so then..why havent the 2023423832402334 variations of my mains name been banned yet?...again, if you're not an Eve-Celeb, you're not entitled to protection, end of story.
Bcos you have not petitioned them ? Assuming you are 'the oldest' of all those variations you would not have problem getting some more 'citizen xxxxx' chars out there while keeping your own name. CCP yanks those chains only if anyone petitions the name.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.08.14 14:39:00 -
[175]
Edited by: EBANK Ricdic on 14/08/2008 14:40:51
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog I also find it funny how people are bringing up mentions of peopel impersonating In-Game investment personalities. Howcome theres protection against losing your ISK to an imposter, but theres none whatsoever for losing your ISK to these outright scams of IPOs and "Banks"??
It's one or the other, CCP...make a decision, and apply it universally.
CCP has the same rules for everyone. If you believe someone is impersonating your character (not just some random joe with a similar name) then you should petition them.
There have probably been about 10 EBANK Ricdic characters created with differnt naming variations such as :
EBANK Ricdlc EBANK Ricdics EBANK Ric**** EBANK Riddic
In every single case I have petitioned and the character has had a forced name change imposed. My reasoning when petitioning is that the person is not only trying to impersonate my character however they are also using the Eve Online fonts to try and trick players into sending cash to the wrong player. Ingame EBANK Ricdic and EBANK Ricdlc are almost idential.
Now, in a few of these cases people took my bio, they took my corp name (exact same name is allowed) and the ticker was slightly changed such as VBANK or EB4NK. Also the character picture was emulated.
The eula quite clearly states that impersonation is not acceptable of "any player". I would suggest anyone who isn't a "celeb" and has a failed petition (with a clear case of impersonation) escalates to a senior GM. GM's abide by the EULA with all players, no-one gets special treatment.
I am disturbed by the amount of people suggesting this should be an allowed mechanic. It's extremely easy to almost perfectly imitate another person or entity in Eve due to the fonts in use which should be a blatant exploit for clear-cut impersonations. These people aren't relying on the stupidity of other people, they are using the graphical interface and play on letters to fool people into these situations.
I am glad the OP got renamed and I suggest ANYONE else who is being clearly impersonated by another to immediately petition to CCP. The Eve terms are quite clear about this and have been since Eve started. Play by the rules or quit Eve (same thing I say regarding macro miners and isk seller/buyers as there is no difference). In both cases and the OP's case the rules are being broken, end of story.
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Melor Rend
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Posted - 2008.08.14 14:40:00 -
[176]
Didn't read everything but imo it sucks that CCP took away the ISK from the OP! Impersonating a GM or Dev is one thing but impersonating a player? Why the hell not?!
If scams like the EIB are ok then why not this one? Don't see a problem with this scam tbh. The person who traded an MS without checking his trading partner deserves to get his ISK stolen and should be banned for wasting the GMs time.
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Forluhn
Amarr Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.08.14 14:48:00 -
[177]
IMHO Exploiting someone's wealth through the use of font indifferences is quite lame. Had you claimed to be an apprentice of Chribba then fair game, but using an 8 in place of a B just isn't right.
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.08.14 15:59:00 -
[178]
Well this should be interesting. I had no clue about this rule and I have someone who not only made a character name similar to mine, Nexa Neci5, they even went so far as to create a corp named THE REALLY AWESOME PLAYERS. adding the period on the end of the corp and a 5 as an S in the character name.
This person trolls lots of my threads, pretends to be me in game, asking for ISK and such. They even make posts pretending to be me and representing my corp.
I have petitioned it. I haven't heard a response yet.
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:08:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Melor Rend Didn't read everything but imo it sucks that CCP took away the ISK from the OP! Impersonating a GM or Dev is one thing but impersonating a player? Why the hell not?!
If scams like the EIB are ok then why not this one? Don't see a problem with this scam tbh. The person who traded an MS without checking his trading partner deserves to get his ISK stolen and should be banned for wasting the GMs time.
QFT...srsly, Scamming is an accepted part of the game. You cant allow one form of perfectly fine scamming, over another...either u allow scams or you dont. There should be no waffling on this issue. _____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:09:00 -
[180]
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
I am disturbed by the amount of people suggesting this should be an allowed mechanic. It's extremely easy to almost perfectly imitate another person or entity in Eve due to the fonts in use which should be a blatant exploit for clear-cut impersonations. These people aren't relying on the stupidity of other people, they are using the graphical interface and play on letters to fool people into these situations.
Well, I never go here, but Im going to. Ever heard of a con-artist? They exist in RL, which Eve (apparently) simulates...why shouldnt they be allowed here again? _____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:48:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog Well, I never go here, but Im going to. Ever heard of a con-artist? They exist in RL, which Eve (apparently) simulates...why shouldnt they be allowed here again?
Con artist are illegal in RL so they are illegal in Eve... when found out. RL comparison's are tricky beasts. The bottom line is that name/corp impersonation is not exclusively used for confidence games. This particular action was used to assassinate the reputation of other players. CCP decided long ago, 2003 actually, that name/corp impersonation could be used specifically with the intent to do out of game harm to other players. This process went above and beyond non-consensual combat and entered into the cyber-stalker/cyber-griefer areas. So, while many scams are allowed impersonation scams are not simply because they run afoul of this particular tactic. It is simple: You can fake trustworthiness to commit a scam, you can not fake being a specific trustworthy someone to commit any action. And just like in Real Life: Action is not taken until someone notices. PS: IMHO all the people who say this should be allowed are essentially no named no reputation lackwits. Their opinion should be heard but it should also be weighted for what it really is... the have-not's trying to ruin things for the have's.
To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean. |
Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:50:00 -
[182]
Edited by: Avon on 14/08/2008 16:50:13
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog They exist in RL, which Eve (apparently) simulates...
Postin' from my pod in a star-system not very near you.
Eve-Online: The Text Adventure |
Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.14 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Seeing EyeDog so then..why havent the 2023423832402334 variations of my mains name been banned yet?...again, if you're not an Eve-Celeb, you're not entitled to protection, end of story.
Because just having a name that is similar to that of another character isn't illegal — only ones that look like CCP officials' names are. It's not until they use those similarities to impersonate other characters that they break the rules.
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Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2008.08.14 19:59:00 -
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It's pretty fair from where I'm standing, deliberately creating names to scam off people's reputations is bad for EVE as a game overall. Supporting Chribba is a good move.
During every ISS IPO, I used to have multiple people try to create similar characters, specifically for the purpose of profiting from poor typers etc. They all had their names changed by CCP. I think in total it was about 25 incidents, including ones which I spotted and notified people like Torn Soul amongst others.
If CCP hadn't done that, then there would be a limited market forum, and people like Chribba woudln't be doing things like EVE-Files, which is an astoundingly good development for EVE.
So no sympathy from me. Go work out how to do a clever scam.
What is not fair is that you can't chose another name.
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog so then..why havent the 2023423832402334 variations of my mains name been banned yet?...again, if you're not an Eve-Celeb, you're not entitled to protection, end of story.
Because just having a name that is similar to that of another character isn't illegal ù only ones that look like CCP officials' names are. It's not until they use those similarities to impersonate other characters that they break the rules.
since when is Chribba a CCP official, again? _____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:04:00 -
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Frankly, I'm surprised no one has commented on the in game **** merchant story I told, and how CCP supported him by changing a similar scammer's name.
**** is a 4 letter word begining with P, ends in N, and also contains an O and a R.
Anyway, this is LONG LONG established policy, years and years old.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Ast3r0iD
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
Originally by: Richard Angevian Biggest mistake you made was in not laundering the isk out of that account as soon as you got it. Yeah, you'd have ruined that toon with a negative balance but you'd have kept the isk :)
FYI, CCP does know how to check more than one character, and they do. Nice attempt though.
Nothing stopping you buying xxx amount of billion's worth of a commen product and putting it in secure cans around eve. I'd love to see ccp track that.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:35:00 -
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Well deserved to be honest.
In fact... I'm going to petition you for impersonating EVECitizen19B21743
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog so then..why havent the 2023423832402334 variations of my mains name been banned yet?...again, if you're not an Eve-Celeb, you're not entitled to protection, end of story.
Because just having a name that is similar to that of another character isn't illegal — only ones that look like CCP officials' names are. It's not until they use those similarities to impersonate other characters that they break the rules.
since when is Chribba a CCP official, again?
Read what I wrote again: having the same name as some other character isn't illegal — only having names similar to CCP officials. Using a similar name to impersonate people, however, is illegal.
They EULA says so: Originally by: EULA 2 B. Passwords and names No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity.
The Forum rules say the same (and explicitly extends that rule to the game): Originally by: EVE Forum Rules 15. Impersonating another forum user, moderator, volunteer, administrator or CCP employee is strictly prohibited. You are expressly forbidden from impersonating anyone else, including those named above, on the forum or in the game, even in jest. This may be grounds for permanent loss of your Eve account.
The Chat Channel Rules of Conduct repeat that rule: Originally by: Chat Channels: Rules of Conduct 11. Impersonating another channel patron, volunteer or CCP employee is strictly prohibited and may result in the permanent revocation of your channel access, temporary suspension or permanent banning of your account.
Depending how you define "chat" and "other submissions", the Website Terms of Use, section 6.1.VI also applies: Originally by: Website Terms of Use You further agree that you will not: […] Make any false representation, including impersonation of any person or entity or misrepresentation of your affiliation with any person or entity
Whether Chribba is a CCP official or not is irrelevant. You're still not allowed to impersonate him.
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Whether Chribba is a CCP official or not is irrelevant. You're still not allowed to impersonate him.
Because you say so? Or because the rule is vague? lol...neither of which make me content. _____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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Callib Gor'Karrithe
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: Callib Gor''Karrithe on 14/08/2008 20:42:43
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:47:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 14/08/2008 20:47:55
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog Because you say so? Or because the rule is vague? lol...neither of which make me content.
Because the rules say so. Over and over. Read them. Notice how they always extend beyond officials.
There is no vagueness unless you are unable to read.
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.14 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Serenity Steele It's pretty fair from where I'm standing, deliberately creating names to scam off people's reputations is bad for EVE as a game overall. Supporting Chribba is a good move.
During every ISS IPO, I used to have multiple people try to create similar characters, specifically for the purpose of profiting from poor typers etc. They all had their names changed by CCP. I think in total it was about 25 incidents, including ones which I spotted and notified people like Torn Soul amongst others.
If CCP hadn't done that, then there would be a limited market forum, and people like Chribba woudln't be doing things like EVE-Files, which is an astoundingly good development for EVE.
So no sympathy from me. Go work out how to do a clever scam.
What is not fair is that you can't chose another name.
I can choose another name :) Just got to petition and get it changed :)
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.08.14 21:19:00 -
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The GM's answered my petition, apparently the person deleted the character and corp on their own. The GM did advise though that should this happen again, I should repetition.
Change your name to Abbirhc or Bizzaro Chribba.
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2008.08.14 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ast3r0iD
Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
Originally by: Richard Angevian Biggest mistake you made was in not laundering the isk out of that account as soon as you got it. Yeah, you'd have ruined that toon with a negative balance but you'd have kept the isk :)
FYI, CCP does know how to check more than one character, and they do. Nice attempt though.
Nothing stopping you buying xxx amount of billion's worth of a commen product and putting it in secure cans around eve. I'd love to see ccp track that.
You aren't really a computer guy are you?
That sort of thing is EASILY tracked by the eve client/server. All a gm would need is your wallet history, your market history and your Assets history. It would be trivial to trail the isk.
Also, you may "pass the isk along" in some convoluted scam to trick CCP, even if you manage to hide the asset from CCP (near impossible) they will just remove X isk from your wallet, all the way into NEGATIVE balance. They will do that to EVERY TOON that touched the money. I've seen it happen.
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Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2008.08.14 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 I spent quite a lot of time carefully reading the EULA before I carried out this operation.
There is reading ability and then there's reading comprehension, you might be able to do the 1st but you seriously fail at the second one.
BTW, me and my wife are Chribba, err, Brian --
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EVECitizen19821743
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Posted - 2008.08.14 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: EVECitizen19821743 I spent quite a lot of time carefully reading the EULA before I carried out this operation.
There is reading ability and then there's reading comprehension, you might be able to do the 1st but you seriously fail at the second one.
BTW, me and my wife are Chribba, err, Brian
The EULA is not clear.
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Volar Kang
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.08.14 22:46:00 -
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Why is it ok to cheat people in a game? I have never understood how people can justify that cheating in RL is bad but cheating people over the internet is ok. |
Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2008.08.14 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Volar Kang Why is it ok to cheat people in a game? I have never understood how people can justify that cheating in RL is bad but cheating people over the internet is ok.
Cheat in real life = someone lost something of value that can't be replaced with the click of a mouse.
Cheat someone on the internet in a game setting = role playing and no real loss for any real person.
I can see a big difference.
Also, ask this question instead
Why is ok to kill people in a game? I have never understood how people can justify that killing in RL is bad but killing over the internet is ok?
See how silly it sounds now?
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.08.15 06:27:00 -
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Honestly guys and gals, this is getting really PATHETIC!
The rules have been enforced since early 2004 as far as I know, and this is one of the rules that is good for everyone! And one of those changes that most veterans , regular and new players can easily accept. And have been as such accepted since then! Calling a change this far back in time one that makes EVE more "carebear" shows the lack of brains in the poster! Get real will you!?
It is not allowed to impersonate anyone! A close name is in itself not illegal, but as soon you are starting to exploit the similarity against the other person with the similar name, corp, ticker, portrait etc etc etc. then you are impersonating! And that is an overt act of exploit, which can be ground for name changes and warnings, maybe even bans in some cases! So says the rules! And those rules have been around long before more then half of the current playerbase joined the game! So leave it be ok?? End of debate!
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