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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.10 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tomsudy i really think this nano nerf is a good thing, starts to get people to think about there setups again and it will finally stop the omg i got killed by a ship which goes fast threads. If you are unable to adapt to changes then you dont have a place in eve because it will always change. Even after this nano 'fix' im pretty damn certain that the whiny members of eve will find something else which beats them and there will be another situation like there is now.
Yea its simpler now as i got less viable pvp ships and less useful fittings for them.
Just wait for the ECM and the RR nerf so that the game gets even "better". Vote against the nano nerf! |
Chr0nosX
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.10 23:02:00 -
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I still don't understand this - everybody says the vaga,rapier,huginn etc are invunrable atm but for me on TQ for my turrets to track I have to turn off mwd or no damage from guns and no cap.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr The Grim Reapers
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Posted - 2008.08.10 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tomsudy i really think this nano nerf is a good thing, starts to get people to think about there setups again and it will finally stop the omg i got killed by a ship which goes fast threads. If you are unable to adapt to changes then you dont have a place in eve because it will always change. Even after this nano 'fix' im pretty damn certain that the whiny members of eve will find something else which beats them and there will be another situation like there is now.
In the end, we'll all be flying rookie ships.
The Grim Reapers [GREAP] open for business |
Psiri
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Posted - 2008.08.10 23:09:00 -
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The Nano nerf is good in my eyes, Nano pilots rarely ever face any real danger and fights involving Nano ships are pretty one-sided. Either the target was a sitting duck, the Nano vessel got Neuted or made a simpleton misstake and got owned.
Some may say that the blob has won but not everyone will be flying in a blob, I for one think that lowsec might see alot more action now with the changes.
- But they do need to rebalance a few ships now, tbh.
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Chaos Incarnate
Has No Face
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Posted - 2008.08.10 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 10/08/2008 23:12:16
Originally by: Ihrda Siharkhail
Originally by: Maijugs Arhueg O NOES, now you'll have to tank like the rest of us and think twice before attacking someone.
DOOM, I SAY!
theres been nothing stopping you from flying nanoships yourself, so its not really our fault that youve been owned
Hey guys, know what makes PvP fun and interesting?
Everyone doing the same thing
Quote:
"Rabble Rabble Rabble!" "Just sitting out here saying "Rabble Rabble" isn't going to fix anything!" "But we don't know what else to do!" "Rabble Rabble Rabble!"
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Gripen
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.08.10 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Atsuko Ratu I can imagine pilots like myself that have never flown a nano and who doesn't mind the nano age at all.
I don't really mind the nano change, it just sucks that they are willing to completely remove an entire portion of the game just so a vaga can't break 6km/s.
There are a lot of people saying that a 3km/s vaga is "fair". Well sure, but how about the nano ships that go 3km/s now. Why are these broken, and why are they being removed from the game?
Speed tanking will not die unless you're assuming that speed tanking = ability to disengage. 3km/s is still enough to outrun heavy missile explosion speeds and afterburner fits designed to evade turret fire will have even more use now. The only thing being nerfed is a disengage ability which was quite unfairly privatized solely by nano fits and made all other fitting options obsolete.
On the other hand I agree with what the difference between full speed fit and MWD-only fit will be small after patch and probably will not justify using completely speed fitted ships at all. I would like CCP to notice this but even if they don't it still will be better than the situation we have now.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2008.08.11 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Atsuko Ratu
There are a lot of people saying that a 3km/s vaga is "fair". Well sure, but how about the nano ships that go 3km/s now. Why are these broken, and why are they being removed from the game?
Well, people havent even grasped the problem. The vaga going zoom-zoom was never a problem, it can be hit with turrets up to around 9km/s (yay for sig radius) and can not run the mwd for more than 1-2 minutes if it starts the fight with full capacitor.
The real problem were permarunning setups on Ishtar for example, that's why I think it is really odd that MWDs are getting changed to make it easier to permarun them...
I for one are really looking forward to all the whines when people discover they still cant catch a nanoed cruiser in their gatecamp after the nerf
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2008.08.11 00:48:00 -
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Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 11/08/2008 00:50:04
Originally by: Gripen
Speed tanking will not die unless you're assuming that speed tanking = ability to disengage. 3km/s is still enough to outrun heavy missile explosion speeds and afterburner fits designed to evade turret fire will have even more use now. The only thing being nerfed is a disengage ability which was quite unfairly privatized solely by nano fits and made all other fitting options obsolete.
No, the only thing that is left for nanofits is the ability to disengage, speed tanking at 3km/s doesnt work, you're better off if you disable your mwd at these speeds when missiles are fired at you. Damage reduction is not noticeable at 3km/s, try it out yourself if you dont believe it.
Especially running from gate camps doesnt change at all, for the uberfast ships the reduction in speed is even an advantage there coupled with web reduction.
So, the patch takes away any tanking ability from nano-cruisers, but in return they can run a bit easier. Being able to run is the privilege of the faster ship, this will never change, deal with it.
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William DeMeo
Gallente Holy Church Of Garmonism
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Posted - 2008.08.11 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 10/08/2008 23:12:16
Originally by: Ihrda Siharkhail
Originally by: Maijugs Arhueg O NOES, now you'll have to tank like the rest of us and think twice before attacking someone.
DOOM, I SAY!
theres been nothing stopping you from flying nanoships yourself, so its not really our fault that youve been owned
Hey guys, know what makes PvP fun and interesting?
Everyone doing the same thing
so lets nerf nano so there's only one way to set up a ship! Yarr |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.08.11 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy Edited by: Gamesguy on 10/08/2008 09:27:43
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Pan Crastus post-patch Stabber Fleet Issue with 3 Polycarbs and 3 ODII: 3107m/s ... (without Polycarbs: 3036m/s)
Wow, 3036m/sec is fast.
2500ish orbit speed most likely. Doesn't speed tank anything at 2500m/s.
Is 'speed tank' code for 'completely invulnerable'?
6km/s vagas were easilly tracked by my zealot loaded with scorch(and no tracking mods to boot).
You'd have to go like 10km+/s to actually start seeing damage decreases from my zealot.
3km/s is "lol I hit you with megapulse" territory.
pulse zealots now an anti-interceptor platform
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Maijugs Arhueg
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Posted - 2008.08.11 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: William DeMeo
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 10/08/2008 23:12:16
Originally by: Ihrda Siharkhail
Originally by: Maijugs Arhueg O NOES, now you'll have to tank like the rest of us and think twice before attacking someone.
DOOM, I SAY!
theres been nothing stopping you from flying nanoships yourself, so its not really our fault that youve been owned
Hey guys, know what makes PvP fun and interesting?
Everyone doing the same thing
so lets nerf nano so there's only one way to set up a ship!
QQ MOAR.
Your tears sustain me.
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Hu Evur
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Posted - 2008.08.11 02:34:00 -
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Edited by: Hu Evur on 11/08/2008 02:35:07
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 10/08/2008 23:12:16
Originally by: Ihrda Siharkhail
Originally by: Maijugs Arhueg O NOES, now you'll have to tank like the rest of us and think twice before attacking someone.
DOOM, I SAY!
theres been nothing stopping you from flying nanoships yourself, so its not really our fault that youve been owned
Hey guys, know what makes PvP fun and interesting?
Everyone doing the same thing
Dude, your face !?!
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Matrixcvd
Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Gripen Speed tanking will not die unless you're assuming that speed tanking = ability to disengage. 3km/s is still enough to outrun heavy missile explosion speeds and afterburner fits designed to evade turret fire will have even more use now. The only thing being nerfed is a disengage ability which was quite unfairly privatized solely by nano fits and made all other fitting options obsolete.
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horse sh1t. pretty much absolute horsesh1t... Nanos=Small gang PVP, roaming options and thats it, nothing else. no special ability other than speed, and if you can't catch, neut, ECM, then you shouldn't get the kill. CCP just turned this game back into the turkey shoot it once was for no good reason, other than to appease the whiny hordes of idiots and losers
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Spaztick
Canadian Imperial Armaments EVESpace
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Posted - 2008.08.11 03:34:00 -
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Topping out at 3 km/s, is this with everything? I mean I'd rather not have to buy snake implants, x-instinct boosters (which won't be speed boosts after this patch anyway), and polycarb rigs just to do what a drake can do (take a missile without blowing up).
What is the true "max" speed a vaga can get, and what is the practical speed (t2 equipment with aux thrusters)? But seriously, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post. |
Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.11 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Matrixcvd
horse sh1t. pretty much absolute horsesh1t... Nanos=Small gang PVP, roaming options and thats it, nothing else. no special ability other than speed, and if you can't catch, neut, ECM, then you shouldn't get the kill. CCP just turned this game back into the turkey shoot it once was for no good reason, other than to appease the whiny hordes of idiots and losers
Yeah, and when it's more than a small gang doing it, what then?
When you get roaming gangs of 30+ nanoHACs/Recons that all exceed 4km/sec, how exactly do you counter it without doing the same thing yourself?
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Ambrosious Martin
Son of Man
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Posted - 2008.08.11 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Matrixcvd
Originally by: Gripen Speed tanking will not die unless you're assuming that speed tanking = ability to disengage. 3km/s is still enough to outrun heavy missile explosion speeds and afterburner fits designed to evade turret fire will have even more use now. The only thing being nerfed is a disengage ability which was quite unfairly privatized solely by nano fits and made all other fitting options obsolete.
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horse sh1t. pretty much absolute horsesh1t... Nanos=Small gang PVP, roaming options and thats it, nothing else. no special ability other than speed, and if you can't catch, neut, ECM, then you shouldn't get the kill. CCP just turned this game back into the turkey shoot it once was for no good reason, other than to appease the whiny hordes of idiots and losers
This is one of those guys that spent the time in-between the nos nerf and this nerf doing nothing but prolly flying a nano ishtar, "cuz it can lay all of its DPS down at 4k/s+"
Now hes ****ed just like many others that now his "uber" SP dosn't mean squat without some brains to fallow thru with it.
Its just too bad that the FOTM is dying and were gonna have to start a new one.
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Juleko
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Posted - 2008.08.11 05:23:00 -
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Edited by: Juleko on 11/08/2008 05:24:13
Originally by: Ihrda Siharkhail
Originally by: Maijugs Arhueg O NOES, now you'll have to tank like the rest of us and think twice before attacking someone.
DOOM, I SAY!
theres been nothing stopping you from flying nanoships yourself, so its not really our fault that youve been owned
Ah the old "nothing is overpowered or unbalanced because you can fly it too!" argument...
Originally by: William DeMeo so lets nerf nano so there's only one way to set up a ship!
Or leave the game as it is so there's only one way to set up a ship.
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Glowy
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Posted - 2008.08.11 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Forge Lag all this thread shows is that nanofreak have no clue about tracking and what speed brings unless they can totally break the game engine.
Go Caldari if you cannot play minmatar.
Don't worry, those who won't leave the game or have good Amarr skills, will.
Will? Try went.
dodging the nerfbat once again
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Matrixcvd
Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 05:59:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Originally by: Matrixcvd
horse sh1t. pretty much absolute horsesh1t... Nanos=Small gang PVP, roaming options and thats it, nothing else. no special ability other than speed, and if you can't catch, neut, ECM, then you shouldn't get the kill. CCP just turned this game back into the turkey shoot it once was for no good reason, other than to appease the whiny hordes of idiots and losers
Yeah, and when it's more than a small gang doing it, what then?
When you get roaming gangs of 30+ nanoHACs/Recons that all exceed 4km/sec, how exactly do you counter it without doing the same thing yourself?
so what do you say when 30+ BS coming knocking on your door, do you stop and say, "NOT FAIR, NOW WE GOTTA BRING 40 or 50 BS'S, MOAR OF THE SAME WHAT ARE WE TO DO?", when someone cyno's in 10 carriers and they start to ECCM spyder tank do you go, "NOT FAIR, NOW WE GOTTA BRING 30 or 40 carriers, MOAR OF THE SAME WHAT ARE WE TO DO"?
You don't even address a blob with a bigger blob, your route to getting what you want is to take a p1ss in your pants and come to forums and go, "WAAAAAAAA! Look i suck i can't fight these guys"
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Matrixcvd
Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 06:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ambrosious Martin
This is one of those guys that spent the time in-between the nos nerf and this nerf doing nothing but prolly flying a nano ishtar, "cuz it can lay all of its DPS down at 4k/s+"
Now hes ****ed just like many others that now his "uber" SP dosn't mean squat without some brains to fallow thru with it.
Its just too bad that the FOTM is dying and were gonna have to start a new one.
You are one of those guys who has 41 kills and 66 deaths with a giant banner that screamsLEET PVPER RIGHT HERE GUYS
and let me acquaint the knowledgable peeps on this forum with some of our favorites from Marty's resume, consider it a tour de force of failmail collections
2008.07.31 23:53
Victim: Ambrosious Martin Corp: Son of Man Alliance: None Faction: NONE Destroyed: Pilgrim System: Asghed Security: 0.4 Damage Taken: 15042
Involved parties:
Name: Kivers (laid the final blow) Security: 4.9 Corp: KER Industries Alliance: None Faction: NONE Ship: Rupture Weapon: Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Damage Done: 15042
Name: All Getout Security: 0.8 Corp: KER Industries Alliance: None Faction: NONE Ship: Falcon Weapon: Enfeebling Phase Inversion ECM I Damage Done: 0
And some moar choice losses from a guy who never fitted an MWD in his life
so let me get this straight guy, you got taken out by a rupture in a curse? you are truely an epic example of failsauce and should stop talking about PVP, cause whatever you are doing on TQ, it wont work, not now or in 6 months. let other people debate the tremendously stupid concepts introduced on sisi and you go back to station twirling, you LEET! EFT Forum Stat Warrior...
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RayBanJockey
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Posted - 2008.08.11 06:24:00 -
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at the pub:
Guy one - "You think WOW is cool, you should have played a game called EVE".
Guy two - "Yeah shit I remember EVE great game played it for years but then this one guy found a way to make his ship go really fast so noone could touch him and then everyone started doing it and people tired and stopped playing, just like that. You know like that other hack in SWG and in Planetside that people started doing? Was awful, took all the fun out of it. Noone left in the game after 6 months I tell you."
Guy three - stop talking about computer games you nerds no wonder you don't get any girls
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Number 17
Caldari COLD-Wing
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Posted - 2008.08.11 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Matrixcvd
Take a good look at this people, this is exactly where the nanowhine has come from. Individuals like this, schooled on missions, chars purchased with visa, and given the power to voice their "opinions" on these forums have caused this to come to a head... This is exactly how i want EVE to play out post nerf, cause now with these changes on SiSi, all it takes is moar, but better yet, moar stupid works too!
this nerf comes from an overpowered module (Polycarbon engine housing) and the lack of stacking penalties in some speed mods. As a caldari pilot myself i dont like nano cruisers, but to me there is nothing wrong with a vaga doing 4.5 with standard t2 fit. Had they only nerfed polycarbs to get inline with other speed rigs, and added some stacking penalties here and there, i (and im guessing many others)would be happy.
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Matrixcvd
Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Number 17
this nerf comes from an overpowered module (Polycarbon engine housing) and the lack of stacking penalties in some speed mods. As a caldari pilot myself i dont like nano cruisers, but to me there is nothing wrong with a vaga doing 4.5 with standard t2 fit. Had they only nerfed polycarbs to get inline with other speed rigs, and added some stacking penalties here and there, i (and im guessing many others)would be happy.
severe RP detected here, why 4.5, you got something against 4.8? seriously, no adjustments were necessary, a hard speed cap of 15 k/s would have been fine and left everything else alone. what they have done to the game is ridiculous. Poly's are expensive and generally keep most nanohacs within your 4.5 but if you spend 2 bill + gang mates with similar investments, certain circumstances you can go around 8-10, nothin wrong with that, Carriers have hundreds of thousands of HP and are difficult to kill and people spend bills on those... same thing
its just the mindless mob of morons trying to dictate to CCP by complaining that things need a change... thats all
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Helios Hyperion
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.11 13:43:00 -
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the nano nerf will completely revolutionalize and rebalance eve pvp. it will put frigs where frigs should be, cruisers where cruisers should be, and battleships where bs should be. we should be applauding ccp for returning the ship classes to their rightful glory.
the speed change actually boosts the fast ships. their relative speed is actually HIGHER than it was before the patch. relative to all the other ships you'll have chasing after you that is. tracking disruptors and target painters will no longer be laughed at modules. missles will be hitting what they are designed to hit, drones will damage what they are designed to damage. the zealot will still eat vagas. kiting will be a whole new world. squad based combat will actually be more prevalent after this patch, roaming will once again be possible WITHOUT a nano fit.
I'll be able to fly my wolf into battle without being the laughingstock of my alliance.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.11 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Helios Hyperion the nano nerf will completely revolutionalize and rebalance eve pvp. it will put frigs where frigs should be, cruisers where cruisers should be, and battleships where bs should be. we should be applauding ccp for returning the ship classes to their rightful glory.
the speed change actually boosts the fast ships. their relative speed is actually HIGHER than it was before the patch. relative to all the other ships you'll have chasing after you that is. tracking disruptors and target painters will no longer be laughed at modules. missles will be hitting what they are designed to hit, drones will damage what they are designed to damage. the zealot will still eat vagas. kiting will be a whole new world. squad based combat will actually be more prevalent after this patch, roaming will once again be possible WITHOUT a nano fit.
I'll be able to fly my wolf into battle without being the laughingstock of my alliance.
Lol. Vote against the nano nerf! |
Helios Hyperion
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.11 14:10:00 -
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lol urself! this is a good change. no longer will every damn ship be capable of landing the tackle. no longer will a webifier and a disruptor and a mwd be on every pvp ship wishing to deem itself viable. afterburners will become USEFUL. you have the options in pvp. viable options.
ps. learn thermodynamics and stop /crying
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Matrixcvd
Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Helios Hyperion the nano nerf will completely revolutionalize and rebalance eve pvp. it will put frigs where frigs should be, cruisers where cruisers should be, and battleships where bs should be. we should be applauding ccp for returning the ship classes to their rightful glory.
the speed change actually boosts the fast ships. their relative speed is actually HIGHER than it was before the patch. relative to all the other ships you'll have chasing after you that is. tracking disruptors and target painters will no longer be laughed at modules. missles will be hitting what they are designed to hit, drones will damage what they are designed to damage. the zealot will still eat vagas. kiting will be a whole new world. squad based combat will actually be more prevalent after this patch, roaming will once again be possible WITHOUT a nano fit.
I'll be able to fly my wolf into battle without being the laughingstock of my alliance.
first detecting, a delerious dev alt, trying to justify the atrotious nerf, when he simply has no clue what he is talking about
and btw, you will still be the laughin stock, can't change that with a useless nerf
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.11 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Matrixcvd
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Originally by: Matrixcvd
horse sh1t. pretty much absolute horsesh1t... Nanos=Small gang PVP, roaming options and thats it, nothing else. no special ability other than speed, and if you can't catch, neut, ECM, then you shouldn't get the kill. CCP just turned this game back into the turkey shoot it once was for no good reason, other than to appease the whiny hordes of idiots and losers
Yeah, and when it's more than a small gang doing it, what then?
When you get roaming gangs of 30+ nanoHACs/Recons that all exceed 4km/sec, how exactly do you counter it without doing the same thing yourself?
so what do you say when 30+ BS coming knocking on your door, do you stop and say, "NOT FAIR, NOW WE GOTTA BRING 40 or 50 BS'S, MOAR OF THE SAME WHAT ARE WE TO DO?", when someone cyno's in 10 carriers and they start to ECCM spyder tank do you go, "NOT FAIR, NOW WE GOTTA BRING 30 or 40 carriers, MOAR OF THE SAME WHAT ARE WE TO DO"?
A blob of 30+ BS is slow, clumsy, heavily reliant on it's own blob to not be a sitting duck and generally can't catch most targets.
A blob of 30+ Nanos is ludicriously mobile, only reliant on it's blob for the DPS, effective against pretty much all targets without Capital support and each and every one of them can disengage at will unless they make some stupid mistake. The only time they're really in any danger is when they're facing another Nano gang.
Not that you'd know the difference or anything.
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SERGI MANESTI
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Posted - 2008.08.11 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Darahk J'olonar
Originally by: Ihrda Siharkhail
Originally by: Maijugs Arhueg O NOES, now you'll have to tank like the rest of us and think twice before attacking someone.
DOOM, I SAY!
theres been nothing stopping you from flying nanoships yourself, so its not really our fault that youve been owned
Here folks is exactly why CCP is doing this. Nanoships have gone from FOTM to FOTG (Flavor Of The Game). The whole idea behind this is to encourage variety and diversity in PVP which is sorely lacking in its' current incarnation.
this
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.11 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Esmenet on 11/08/2008 14:30:15
Originally by: Darahk J'olonar
Originally by: Ihrda Siharkhail
Originally by: Maijugs Arhueg O NOES, now you'll have to tank like the rest of us and think twice before attacking someone.
DOOM, I SAY!
theres been nothing stopping you from flying nanoships yourself, so its not really our fault that youve been owned
Here folks is exactly why CCP is doing this. Nanoships have gone from FOTM to FOTG (Flavor Of The Game). The whole idea behind this is to encourage variety and diversity in PVP which is sorely lacking in its' current incarnation.
Lol i dont think you have actually done any pvp. You dont encourage variety by making one shiptype the king of practically everything. Vote against the nano nerf! |
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