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SpaZeL
The Wizards Of Weed Friendly Players Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.21 18:42:00 -
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Why can players attack me ''pvp'' when i am on a mission ''pve''?
it's happend to me 2 times now within a day, lost both my ship(Thorax) and pod (loss: augments, skill points, Isk) and hade to cancel the mission i was on. That set me back more then i have played
hade incurens on the ship but that does not cover 10% of what i've lost.
now i feel like there is nothing for me to do. I cant get my stuff back, the time i've spent was all for nothing and i dont want to play anymore, if people can just attack you without provocation.
what to do? |
Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
52
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Posted - 2012.03.21 18:49:00 -
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Stay in high sec and talk to corpmates.
1/10 for making me answer. |
Bibosikus
Inside out. The G0dfathers
44
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Posted - 2012.03.21 18:55:00 -
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Eve is a somewhat unique game, in that there are no strict boundaries in the game mechanics which protect players from other players. Even in high security space PvP happens all the time, every day.
The only place where you are safe from PvP is inside an NPC station. As soon as you undock, you run the risk of PvP proportionate to the level of security space you're in, whether your corporation is at war, there's a bounty on you, you've upset someone who's decided to get you whatever the personal cost, or even just some random pirate who picks on you as an easy kill.
If you are in an NPC corporation missioning in 0.5+ space in a low-value ship, then the likelihood of you being "ganked" is extremely low because the ganker(s) will also lose their ships to CONCORD. I suspect from your post that you are missioning in low security space (0.1-0.4). In which case, you will be hunted down and killed with monotonous regularity because it is allowed, even if you are just missioning. And there are players there who will kill anyone however new or inexperienced. The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |
SpaZeL
The Wizards Of Weed Friendly Players Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.03.21 19:17:00 -
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Ah oka, thanks for the clarification. seems its not a game for me. If there are no boundaries betwin pvp and pve, then one would have to be very lucky and have ALOT more isk and start out with a higher skill set to actually play the game.
I am pretty new at the game so it seams very unfair to me, that i spent X amount of time getting all the Isk/ items/ skills i need to handle a mission, and along comes a dude and has his way with me, nothing i can do to stop it, cant even get away or fight back.
It's Called R A P E |
OfBalance
Caldari State
205
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Posted - 2012.03.21 19:34:00 -
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SpaZeL wrote: I am pretty new at the game so it seams very unfair to me, that i spent X amount of time getting all the Isk/ items/ skills i need to handle a mission, and along comes a dude and has his way with me, nothing i can do to stop it, cant even get away or fight back.
It's Called R A P E
If you were out mission running dressed like that...
You were begging for it.
Also, you got a purty mouth. |
drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.03.21 19:45:00 -
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Don't mission in areas with security status of 0.4 or less. Stay in HS, decline any missions in LS and you will be fine... you will not get ganked in high sec unless you flying a fancy ship, ie 2 bil worth of faction mods... If you decide you want to give eve another try.. PM me and I'll help you out.. |
Tabernack en Chasteaux
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.03.21 20:25:00 -
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SpaZeL wrote:Why can players attack me ''pvp'' when i am on a mission ''pve''? If you were doing a mission in lowsec, anyone can shoot you with few repercussions. The solution is to decline missions that send you to lowsec, and stick to high security space.
If this occurred in high sec, they would have had to jump through a few hoops in order to shoot you with impunity. For example, if they stole from one of your wrecks, this counts as a crime and you are legally allowed to shoot them. However, if you shoot them they are allowed to shoot back. The solution is to not shoot people that steal from you unless you are looking for a fight.
However, I suspect from context that you were missioning in high sec, and your corporations were at war. You can tell when war targets are around by checking the local chat channel for players with a little red star by their name (unless you have changed this in your overview settings. You should not run missions with war targets nearby because they will find you and kill you.
SpaZeL wrote:it's happend to me 2 times now within a day, lost both my ship(Thorax) and pod (loss: augments, skill points, Isk) and hade to cancel the mission i was on. That set me back more then i have played First of all, if your ship is destroyed you should immediately warp your pod to safety. If you do this, your chances of getting podkilled are extremely small. If you can avoid becoming a pod goo stain, most of these problems are avoided. Having said that, you should have a medical clone ready that can accomodate all the skill points your character has accumulated. You will only lose skill points if your clone is not up to date. Augmentations will of course be destroyed when you get podded, but you should prepare yourself for this by not risking anything you are not prepared to lose.
SpaZeL wrote:hade incurens on the ship but that does not cover 10% of what i've lost. It sounds like you had a lower-tier insurance plan. Platinum insurance will cover most of the cost of the hull. Your fittings, however, are not insurable and that's just the way it goes.
SpaZeL wrote:now i feel like there is nothing for me to do. I cant get my stuff back, the time i've spent was all for nothing and i dont want to play anymore, if people can just attack you without provocation.
what to do? There is always something you can do to get going again. If your corporation is at war, you should consider leaving it for an NPC corp until you can get a better feel for how things work. It shouldn't be difficult to accumulate enough isk for a decent frigate fit for level 1 missions. If you need a bit of cash to get back on your feet, message me in game and I will hook you up.
The time you have spent is certainly not for nothing. EVE is a game that is full of risks, and to mitigate those risks you need to first learn what they are. So far you've learned that other players are sometimes able to attack you without provocation, but this is not always the case. If you figure out what these circumstances are, you can avoid being harassed in your missions 99% of the time.
Again, EVE is never completely safe. Even in high sec space you can suffer from war declarations or suicide gankers, but every risk can be countered or worked around somehow. This knowledge comes from experience, and with this experience comes the satisfaction of knowing that you're smart enough to survive in a cutthroat environment. You may move on to other games if you wish, but you're going to miss out on the feeling of overcoming a real challenge. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
385
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Posted - 2012.03.21 20:32:00 -
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OP is established player since 9/30/2010 and KNOWS he is faking an OBVIOUSLY rehearsed OP Post. (You can spell provocation but not incurens ?).
Fail Troll of the day, although you did get a few biters........... OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Tabernack en Chasteaux
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.03.21 20:41:00 -
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bleeeuuuuuurrrgh 7/10 you got me :) |
Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Exhale.
150
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Posted - 2012.03.21 22:00:00 -
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best solution: go back to wow... |
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Caldari Citizen 786478786
96
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Posted - 2012.03.21 23:53:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:best solution: go back to wow...
Idiot.
OP, the best solution is to take some of the actual advice given here and stay out of low security space until you're ready for it. Alternatively, if your Corporation isn't helping to indoctrinate you in the ways of EVE Online, consider joining a training Corp like Eve University. You'll be able to learn anything you need to know about the realm of EVE PVE at your own pace. You may have to look elsewhere for PVP training, but they've done more for player retention and keeping EVE alive than just about any other player-run Corporation in the game.
Good luck to you. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
387
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Posted - 2012.03.22 00:26:00 -
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Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:Jack Miton wrote:best solution: go back to wow... Idiot.
OP is Trolling. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.03.22 01:02:00 -
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http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1347462&view=losses&m=03&y=2012
Mmmmm Old Man Star.
(Also shield recharger on an armor tank, no bueno)
Anyway, if OP isn't trolling--don't mission in OMS. Don't mission in low sec, period, until you know what you're doing and you know what you're getting into. OMS is good for soliciting fights where you'll probably be outnumbered if you're solo, camping the Villore gate, ganking noobs who go there, FW, ganking some more, some gf's, **** slinging in local, and setting up a separate POS for each of your fleet boosting T3's.
Some of those things aren't really true, but one thing is true for sure: don't go missioning to OMS unless you want to get people to fight you by pretending to be a poor mission runner, or unless you're pretty pro. |
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
38
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Posted - 2012.03.22 04:29:00 -
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SpaZeL wrote:Why can players attack me ''pvp'' when i am on a mission ''pve''?
it's happend to me 2 times now within a day, lost both my ship(Thorax) and pod (loss: augments, skill points, Isk) and hade to cancel the mission i was on. That set me back more then i have played
hade incurens on the ship but that does not cover 10% of what i've lost.
now i feel like there is nothing for me to do. I cant get my stuff back, the time i've spent was all for nothing and i dont want to play anymore, if people can just attack you without provocation.
what to do?
Stop playing or htfu. The choice is yours. |
Shaen Vesuvius
A pink Cow
6
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Posted - 2012.03.22 11:37:00 -
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LOL not just a troll, but one that is begging for isk.
back to jita u clown
"i lost my ship can someone give me some isk to replace it pls?" |
Philboyd Benoit
12
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Posted - 2012.03.22 14:04:00 -
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SpaZeL wrote: it's happend to me 2 times now within a day, lost both my ship(Thorax) and pod (loss: augments, skill points, Isk) and hade to cancel the mission i was on.
If you're losing skill points, you need to update your medical clone! Find a station (in HiSec) with a medical tab in it. Click the med tab and update your clone. You want to make sure that is updated so you don't lose any SP when you get podded. Update EVERY TIME you get podded just to make sure you dont lose any more SP. This is very important when you get into higher SP age
I always update 2-3 levels above my current SP so I dont have to worry about immediately updating my clone if i forget. I used to forget all the time.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1156
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Posted - 2012.03.22 15:58:00 -
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http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=SpaZeL#losses
You're running missions in lowsec. That means you flew to a jump gate, chose to jump through it, and clicked "OK" to a warning telling you that you were entering low security space where people are able to attack you without you being protected. In other words, you very much consented to that PVP.
The truth is, you made a mistake out of ignorance. You probably didn't understand that Eve PVE is not instanced, and that someone can appear in your mission space at any time if they have the skills to scan down your ship. Now that you understand that, and you know that there is no guarantee of security when you step outside of highsec, try spending a few weeks in highsec running missions and rebuilding your wallet. Join a corp, learn new stuff, and figure out what you want to do in Eve besides missions.
Maybe go hunt pirates in lowsec. Get some revenge. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Rapcore2
Freelancer Union Unaffiliated
0
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Posted - 2012.03.22 21:46:00 -
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OP made me laugh. Thanks dude! |
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2012.03.23 00:53:00 -
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Waaauuuww................. so much information......................... but Go play in low sec and die.................. |
Sir Livingston
Viziam Amarr Empire
95
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Posted - 2012.03.23 01:12:00 -
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Someone turn this post into a "How to detect a troll" post, please Explorer's Log an ongoing video log chronicling my adventures as an explorer of New Eden Click to watch: http://www.youtube.com/user/JonnyPew Chat channel: Club Deadspace |
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Kasutra
Tailor Company
11
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Posted - 2012.03.23 01:34:00 -
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6/10 for number of bites, and actually getting some killboard action to back it up. |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
481
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Posted - 2012.03.23 02:51:00 -
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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.03.23 15:09:00 -
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obvious troll is obvious.
i like how people think they're smart because they play eve rather than wow and then bite on a thread like this. |
drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.03.25 23:49:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:obvious troll is obvious. i like how people think they're smart because they play eve rather than wow and then bite on a thread like this.
Some people on the forums are here to help.. while NONE of your posts are helpful... so what if we get trolled occasionally... Perhaps you help is limited to WOW
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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:48:00 -
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drdxie wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:obvious troll is obvious. i like how people think they're smart because they play eve rather than wow and then bite on a thread like this. Some people on the forums are here to help.. while NONE of your posts are helpful... so what if we get trolled occasionally... Perhaps you help is limited to WOW
how are "go back to wow" or "this isn't wow" helpful comments? |
Sola Mercury
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:23:00 -
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SpaZeL wrote:Why can players attack me ''pvp'' when i am on a mission ''pve''?
it's happend to me 2 times now within a day, lost both my ship(Thorax) and pod (loss: augments, skill points, Isk) and hade to cancel the mission i was on. That set me back more then i have played
hade incurens on the ship but that does not cover 10% of what i've lost.
now i feel like there is nothing for me to do. I cant get my stuff back, the time i've spent was all for nothing and i dont want to play anymore, if people can just attack you without provocation.
what to do?
Most important: always keep your clone up to date. The amount of skillpoints the clone can hold always must be higher then then your acumulated skill points. To update your clone, use the medical service in a station providing this kind of service. If your pod get killed, having a clone to small, will result in skill point loss.
Also: dont mix tank. Tank shield or tank armor. You may consider the use of a shild booster or a armor repairer.
Dont fly to low sec, at least, if you do, be prepared to lose the ship you are in.
If your ship is destroied,warp your pod away ASAP.
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St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
567
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:36:00 -
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I've heard of gullible but this is just ridiculous. |
Fireflyb1
Avant-Garde Monastery G00DFELLAS
5
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:47:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:obvious troll is obvious. i like how people think they're smart because they play eve rather than wow and then bite on a thread like this.
Ah, Eve, where helping people makes you stupid.
*sigh* |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.03.26 13:40:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:best solution: go back to wow...
Fireflyb1 wrote: Ah, Eve, where helping people makes you stupid.
*sigh*
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Blinking Duck
The Kurian Order
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:49:00 -
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drdxie wrote:Don't mission in areas with security status of 0.4 or less. Stay in HS, decline any missions in LS and you will be fine... you will not get ganked in high sec unless you flying a fancy ship, ie 2 bil worth of faction mods... If you decide you want to give eve another try.. PM me and I'll help you out..
Yup.
I've missioned...ALOT...and have seldom tried to be ganked.
Relatively recently I must have gotten on some list or something because a gang of Tornados tried to gank me several times. Unfortunately for them I am used to missioning under wardecs and have spent months missioning in losec so I am usually on alert by habit.
I looked at my ship and realized that I had been slowly making it more shiney over time and now it was TOO shiney. I toned it back down. However, the group who had me on the list didn't see that I had done so and kept trying to gank me. Took about 3 weeks before they noticed I wasn't shiney anymore or gave up because I was always on alert.
Keep your ship from being too fancy/shiney and you will be less a target. |
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