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TotalCareBear
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Posted - 2008.08.09 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: TotalCareBear on 09/08/2008 16:14:10
Edited by: TotalCareBear on 09/08/2008 16:12:20
Originally by: Void Monarch
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How to legally occupy a country.
1. Country X finds group of people who are unhappy about something in country Y.
2. Country X gives citizenship to the unhappy people.
3. Country X takes soldiers into the area to "keep peace", because country Y is furious about the X's decision.
4. Time goes on, tensions get bigger, someone starts shooting someone, country Y decides to make a stand for themselves.
5. Country X blames country Y for killing their citizens in Y's territory.
6. Country X starts "defending" and attacks country Y.
7. Country X wins the war, country Y is occupied and ceases to exist.
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Void Monarch
Aorte Cerebrum
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Posted - 2008.08.09 16:38:00 -
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TotalCareBear, please stop that propaganda.
Two flaws in your ideological post - first, you didn't take into account opinion of "unhappy people" (same as Saakashvili though); and second, more important - nobody wants to occupy country Y.
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Glarion Garnier
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.09 16:58:00 -
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What I find peculiar is. That it is never us regular ppl who start the major wars. It's allways the Elite at power. And there is allways banks behind every war.
I just fear that they are prepping for a bigger one against China. Just as happened when US banks funded ****** to power.
I hope this does not escalate.
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Tenoh
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Posted - 2008.08.09 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: Tenoh on 09/08/2008 17:21:02
nice, they showed that clip on CNN where fkin gergians shooting a man with out weapon lol,nice going then armored car shoots as well.
I hope Russians will kick their asses.Shooting civilians and wounded with cold blood,only americans would do that till now.Lets not forget throwing granades in to the basements of the buildings where surviving women and children are hiding,eye witnes report.Nice going!
And bloody CNN... nothing on the siege of the Os town till Russian tanks entered, how convenient.And then they say that all their info are coming from georgian officials... no eye witnesses? right.
In any case if fkin americans can take away Kosovo then i hope Russians do the same.americans did well orgenising this new war,not their hands will get bloody.
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Kryttos
Hard Corp
Carbide and Diamonds Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.09 17:24:00 -
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someone said " when did russia show aggression towards the US "
When last week they ( Russia ) said they wanted to put a missile shield in Cuba.
Cuban Missile Crisis Mk II anyone?
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Zephyr Rengate
dearg doom
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Posted - 2008.08.09 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kryttos
someone said " when did russia show aggression towards the US "
When last week they ( Russia ) said they wanted to put a missile shield in Cuba.
Cuban Missile Crisis Mk II anyone?
US putting missile shields in Poland anyone?
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Tenoh
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Posted - 2008.08.09 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kryttos
someone said " when did russia show aggression towards the US "
When last week they ( Russia ) said they wanted to put a missile shield in Cuba.
Cuban Missile Crisis Mk II anyone?
Missiles will be the least of your problems.I bet you dont know that Soviets had radar-spy station there and could monitor almost all of the US and listen to phone calls .
I hope missiles will be there and there is not a thing you can do about it.Get a carrier group to block it and youll get a nuke torpido and the groups is nomore.In any case if not Cuba then South America will be way better place to put alot of bases there and they wont be easely monitored liek those in cuba.
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Kzintee
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.09 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Kzintee on 09/08/2008 17:57:22
Originally by: Kryttos
someone said " when did russia show aggression towards the US "
When last week they ( Russia ) said they wanted to put a missile shield in Cuba.
Cuban Missile Crisis Mk II anyone?
The history of Cuban missile crisis is just a tad more complicated than this.
So what really happened...
The USA puts missiles in Turkey, right on the other side of the Black Sea.
Politburo, not to be outdone, figured that if the US can put missiles in our backyard, then they would not be surprised/outraged if we put missiles in the US backyard.
For some reason Americans get all ****y about missiles in Cuba.
But your story is good too, it really paints Russians as the bad guys, just like expected.
Regarding the radio intercept station...this was literally public knowledge that Russia maintained it in Cuba. It was shut down during the late 90s/early 2000s along with our navy bases in Vietnam (I don't even know what ships we maintained there...)
Public story was basically that why bother listening in on all the calls when you can get the same information from the web for much less.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:12:00 -
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no one replies so I guess your american history isan't very sharp.
part of texas used to be part of Mexico, When the people of that part of texas wanted to become part of the USA the same thing that is happening right now happen back then.
I'm just waiting for the alamo to happen all over again.
Originally by: Dapanman1
Terrible idea, you're an idiot
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Akiba Penrose
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.08.09 20:06:00 -
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This thread needs more Speak!
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.09 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
im not going to be politically correct like you, im not saying our countries are at war, but they have been one of our long time enemies for the last 50 freaking years, and im almost certain they wouldnt help us if our country were in need, they contradict us at every turn in the UN, they supply Iran with tons of weapons, like planes, tanks, ect they help them build their nuclear reactors, which "could possibly" be used (hate being politicall correct) to make nuclear arms, and/or dirty nuclear weapons, that im sure iran would have little problem to use on its enemies which does include the US, and is probably one of its main targets, next to israel
you dont have to be at war to have "enemies" otherwise that would mean that the US has only one enemy right now, and that would be terrorists
By that definition, isn't every country that competes with the US for any resource our enemies? Or basically any country whose attempts to further their goals doesn't also further ours?
Also, how old are you, and have you ever taken a history class that covers the last 100 years? You really don't know what your talking about regarding who have been enemies of the US and for how long.
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Noe Man
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.09 20:25:00 -
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RA lost a Titan BPO so now they are taking it back!
First act of world war three.
Great that Russians are so peacefull people.
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Nooooooobe
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.09 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: TotalCareBear
Edited by: TotalCareBear on 08/08/2008 16:05:36
I don't that Georgia is the somehow the innocent one, but Russian involvement = Russian trying to expand their territories.
True, but it not about the territory, look at the map, Russia huge and unsetlled. It about prestige, test of military and politycal abilyties and Weimar syndrome in russian society. Georgian not goin to surrender by now (they still hope for help), and they fight weel indeed. Russians belive that US manage them against Russia, of course.
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Captain Hudson
Caldari
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:00:00 -
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you know russia could of just relocated those 70,000 citizens in Georgia if they love them that much, not as if Russia is lacking living space.
Oh wait it has nothing to do with the 70,000 citizens
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Hudson
you know russia could of just relocated those 70,000 citizens in Georgia if they love them that much, not as if Russia is lacking living space.
Oh wait it has nothing to do with the 70,000 citizens
You mean like relocating those freedom-loving Vietnamese, Kosovars, Afghans and Iraqis (to name just a few)?
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Bahamma Momma
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:17:00 -
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Hi Mom
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Captain Hudson
Caldari
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:21:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Hudson on 09/08/2008 21:25:23
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Captain Hudson
you know russia could of just relocated those 70,000 citizens in Georgia if they love them that much, not as if Russia is lacking living space.
Oh wait it has nothing to do with the 70,000 citizens
You mean like relocating those freedom-loving Vietnamese, Kosovars, Afghans and Iraqis (to name just a few)?
errr? do the hold the passports of other countries? no.
Here is a crazy idea, why don't russia withdraw, Georgia stop and Nato encamp in S.Ossetia to stop any 'genocide'
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Thorliaron
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Thorliaron on 09/08/2008 21:22:37
so russia is blaming the ukraine now aswell, how long before you roll your tanks over their boarders.
Tbh as soon as russian tanks roll over s.osettia's border into mainland Georgia we should glass you.
P.s - where is this genocide evidence
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Tecam Hund
The Buggers
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Hudson
you know russia could of just relocated those 70,000 citizens in Georgia if they love them that much, not as if Russia is lacking living space.
Oh wait it has nothing to do with the 70,000 citizens
No, it's not about 70,000 citizens only. Though I believe they would like to live where they lived, and not be relocated elsewhere. Russia does not want a NATO country on its border, and there is a major oil pipeline running through Georgia that Russia would rather have under control of a friendly/puppet regime (just the same as US in Iraq).
On the other hand we have Georgia, a strongly nationalist country (probably more so than Russia). Its president is forced or chooses to go with the flow and keeps trying to force separatist regions to rejoin. As a background there is history of ethnic violence which doesn't help the situation.
Georgia keeps pushing its line hoping for support of the Western "allies". Eventually it quite possibly is provoked by Russian backed separatists, and swallows hook, line and sinker. As an act of rare idiocy they decide to shell the hell out of a city full or Russian citizens (who fights rebels by shelling populated centers anyway?). Georgian president hopes US or EU will stop Russia's retaliation by use of harsh language. Russian army that was fully mobilized on the border rolls in.
So who is in the right? Nobody, just as in any war. On the whole though absolutely inept political play on Georgia's side (who needs enemies with a President like this), and utterly ruthless and outrageous, yet quite brilliant play by the Russia.
Lessons? Never trust an alliance with a stronger, and don't play with future of a country you are chosen to run like a toy. Georgia didn't have much choice to begin with, but if it did not push for NATO membership, and didn't try to throw its non-existent weight around there would be no war. Who knows what will happen now, but it is not going to be pretty... 
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Tecam Hund
The Buggers
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Thorliaron
Edited by: Thorliaron on 09/08/2008 21:22:37
so russia is blaming the ukraine now aswell, how long before you roll your tanks over their boarders.
Tbh as soon as russian tanks roll over s.osettia's border into mainland Georgia we should glass you.
P.s - where is this genocide evidence
Do you know why nobody will be glassed? Because US is the same kind of imperialist bastard country that would sell its own mother for oil. It can not afford any confrontation with Russia for purely military, political and economical reasons. That's the kind of messed world we live in.
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Thorliaron
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:33:00 -
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Edited by: Thorliaron on 09/08/2008 21:33:48
Originally by: Tecam Hund
Originally by: Captain Hudson
you know russia could of just relocated those 70,000 citizens in Georgia if they love them that much, not as if Russia is lacking living space.
Oh wait it has nothing to do with the 70,000 citizens
No, it's not about 70,000 citizens only. Though I believe they would like to live where they lived, and not be relocated elsewhere. Russia does not want a NATO country on its border, and there is a major oil pipeline running through Georgia that Russia would rather have under control of a friendly/puppet regime (just the same as US in Iraq).
On the other hand we have Georgia, a strongly nationalist country (probably more so than Russia). Its president is forced or chooses to go with the flow and keeps trying to force separatist regions to rejoin. As a background there is history of ethnic violence which doesn't help the situation.
Georgia keeps pushing its line hoping for support of the Western "allies". Eventually it quite possibly is provoked by Russian backed separatists, and swallows hook, line and sinker. As an act of rare idiocy they decide to shell the hell out of a city full or Russian citizens (who fights rebels by shelling populated centers anyway?). Georgian president hopes US or EU will stop Russia's retaliation by use of harsh language. Russian army that was fully mobilized on the border rolls in.
So who is in the right? Nobody, just as in any war. On the whole though absolutely inept political play on Georgia's side (who needs enemies with a President like this), and utterly ruthless and outrageous, yet quite brilliant play by the Russia.
Lessons? Never trust an alliance with a stronger, and don't play with future of a country you are chosen to run like a toy. Georgia didn't have much choice to begin with, but if it did not push for NATO membership, and didn't try to throw its non-existent weight around there would be no war. Who knows what will happen now, but it is not going to be pretty...
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Hudson
Edited by: Captain Hudson on 09/08/2008 21:25:23
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Captain Hudson
you know russia could of just relocated those 70,000 citizens in Georgia if they love them that much, not as if Russia is lacking living space.
Oh wait it has nothing to do with the 70,000 citizens
You mean like relocating those freedom-loving Vietnamese, Kosovars, Afghans and Iraqis (to name just a few)?
errr? do the hold the passports of other countries? no.
Here is a crazy idea, why don't russia withdraw, Georgia stop and Nato encamp in S.Ossetia to stop any 'genocide'
Issuing passports is just a technicality. Much simpler than waging war. Or do you think those conflicts had nothing to do with the indigenous population?
Here's a crazy idea: why don't you read up on how the conflict started before posting. There are plenty of links on the first few pages of this thread.
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Thorliaron
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:42:00 -
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Edited by: Thorliaron on 09/08/2008 21:42:20
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Captain Hudson
Edited by: Captain Hudson on 09/08/2008 21:25:23
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Captain Hudson
you know russia could of just relocated those 70,000 citizens in Georgia if they love them that much, not as if Russia is lacking living space.
Oh wait it has nothing to do with the 70,000 citizens
You mean like relocating those freedom-loving Vietnamese, Kosovars, Afghans and Iraqis (to name just a few)?
errr? do the hold the passports of other countries? no.
Here is a crazy idea, why don't russia withdraw, Georgia stop and Nato encamp in S.Ossetia to stop any 'genocide'
Issuing passports is just a technicality. Much simpler than waging war. Or do you think those conflicts had nothing to do with the indigenous population?
Here's a crazy idea: why don't you read up on how the conflict started before posting. There are plenty of links on the first few pages of this thread.
so why can't Nato place a peacekeeping force there then? don't you trust them or something?
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Ryysa
Paisti
Paisti Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: TotalCareBear
WHY DID RUSSIA SUPPORT SOUTH OSSETIA? Why did they give citizenship to S. Ossetians? Why doesn't Russia respect Georgian Territorial Integrity? Russia has been very provocative as well, don't put all the blame on Georgia. (No, I am not suggesting that all the blame is on Russia)
It also reminds me of Chechenya... double standards ftw?
One word: Kosovo. Why was it OK for NATO to bomb belgrad, and it is not ok for Russia to bomb Tbilisi?
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This is an english-speaking forum.
And your arguments in that rant are totally full of shit.
I'd like to remind you that we are in NATO and EU. Keep your gay conspiracy theories to yourself, people like you are the reason there is so much hate in .ee.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.08.09 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Thorliaron
Edited by: Thorliaron on 09/08/2008 21:42:20
so why can't Nato place a peacekeeping force there then? don't you trust them or something?
You mean the same NATO that sided with the albanian drug/weapon/slave/human organ runners in Kosovo and bombed the crap out of Serbia on their behalf? Now there's a trustworthy organization!
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Kaira Saitar
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Posted - 2008.08.09 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kryttos
someone said " when did russia show aggression towards the US "
When last week they ( Russia ) said they wanted to put a missile shield in Cuba.
Cuban Missile Crisis Mk II anyone?
Friend. Let me assure you that all the missiles, bombers and other weaponry in Cuba, Venezuela and any other country will do you only good by protecting US from any nuclear offensive from Iran, N.Korea or any other "terrorist nation". These weaponry will only do you good and help you improving the defences of your country from all forms of nuclear assault. Peace.
PS: I heard polar bears develop nukes too, so a base in Canada will do good as well. Of course only to protect you.
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Adare Schmidt
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Posted - 2008.08.09 22:21:00 -
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Not that they'll ever admit it, but the Russian Federation hates it when one of its "satellite States" (for want of a better phrase) decides to turn to a western power... *ahem* a power that isn't the Federation. They would like the world to believe that the aforementioned states still need Moscow to drive them. Like it or not, the USSR still exists, unofficially of course, while the "Old Guard" (Putin, et al) pull the strings. As for the KGB/FSB.... Same old happy family, but witha smiling public face...
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.08.09 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Adare Schmidt
Not that they'll ever admit it, but the Russian Federation hates it when one of its "satellite States" (for want of a better phrase) decides to turn to a western power... *ahem* a power that isn't the Federation. They would like the world to believe that the aforementioned states still need Moscow to drive them. Like it or not, the USSR still exists, unofficially of course, while the "Old Guard" (Putin, et al) pull the strings. As for the KGB/FSB.... Same old happy family, but witha smiling public face...
We know all about "satellite States" turning to another power. Cuba is still under US sanctions.
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Vandalzzz
Red Assault Brigades
United Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.09 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: TotalCareBear
Edited by: TotalCareBear on 09/08/2008 16:14:10
How to legally occupy a country.
1. Country X finds group of people who are unhappy about something in country Y.
2. Country X gives citizenship to the unhappy people.
3. Country X takes soldiers into the area to "keep peace", because country Y is furious about the X's decision.
4. Time goes on, tensions get bigger, someone starts shooting someone, country Y decides to make a stand for themselves.
5. Country X blames country Y for killing their citizens in Y's territory.
6. Country X starts "defending" and attacks country Y.
7. Country X wins the war, country Y is occupied and ceases to exist.
before that:
- one big, very big country U with consitution begin to disbanding. but constitution still active, with written independence of each subject, including administrative subjects like O
- country Y starts invasion into small O, saying that O is a part of Y's territory, completely ignoring active constitution
- of course sitizens of O don't want to be Y's pets, and Y army acts like ******'s army in east europe
p.s.: we have nukes. nam pohuy.
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Tecam Hund
The Buggers
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Posted - 2008.08.10 00:35:00 -
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Seems Russia is also using strategic bombers and ballistic missiles now, or at least the news is out. Using front line fighter-bombers to take out military installations is one thing, but using weapons of such limited accuracy and immense firepower is way beyond rational. 
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