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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sorted Where the hell is the risk vs reward balance for mission runners??
In the dev blog OP is crying about.
Btw, RvsR is built in to missionrunning already. You can have your supertank fairly cheap but then your performance will suck. Or you can exponentially raise the pricetag of your ship to have your supertank AND passable performance, but then you become a gank target regardless of these insurance changes, which raise suicidepirate overhead only so much. Or you can have good performance by cutting the tanking margin close, risking loosing your ships to rats, something lag and desynchs make more common.
Oh, another newsflash, people loose ships to npc's *all* the time, even experienced runners, which invariably means there is risk in missionrunning even player pirates interfering. Despite what gankers like Ki or Sorted keep claiming.
I wish Eyejog, Prism or someone else at CCP would release some more detailed numbers and statistics on ship losses, so it would be possible to prove it in threads like these.
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: hedfunk I suspect an avalanche of Low Sec Liberator posts! Where are you Skunk!?
damnit hedfunk. get ur whine on. Vote against the nano nerf! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371
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Gul Rashen
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:03:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Sorted
plenty of options for runners.
1. Drop a can at the warp in point, move 30k from the can. 2. Fly aligned. 3. Use an alt to watch the entry gate. 4. undock using an off grid undock insta to avoid scans., 5. set the scanner to 1m KM and tap it occasionaly
1. See 3. 2. Only possible if you don't have to watch the distance to the NPC's (Cruise Missile-User) 3. Do they come through the Gate, when you get probed out? I don't know, wasn't ganked in Missions cause i use T2-Stuff. 4. signed 5. and? Then they can also watch the local. But you don't know who is a Ganker and who not.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:03:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Gamesguy
The vast majority of suicide gankers are 0.0 players doing it to make isk. The vast majority routinely pvp in 0.0/lowsec, the suicide ganking is merely an isk farming activity.
I think the boleded part will make a perfect signature.
So you admit that suicide ganking is a form of farming, but you think is all ok as the people farming are 0.0 Pvpers alt?
And then you call mission runners carebears but suicide ganking is not carebearing?
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
Oh, another newsflash, people loose ships to npc's *all* the time, even experienced runners, which invariably means there is risk in missionrunning even player pirates interfering. Despite what gankers like Ki or Sorted keep claiming.
without detailed numbers I still lean on the argument that if its not PVP and you lost your ship to anything other than a massive lag spike then you shouldnt be undocking it realy.
fitting uber tanks to compenstate for the lag tho, now thats a different issue.
clowns who cant fly, or protect themselves.. i think thats what we are discussing here.... Vote against the nano nerf! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371
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Gaia Thorn
Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:04:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Gul Rashen Edited by: Gul Rashen on 06/08/2008 10:52:41
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Gul Rashen First, i live in Low Sec and am a PvP'ler I only run Missions to pay my Accounts with ISK.
That Missions are too easy is different Problem. But its in my interest that many ppl play EVE and its ok for me that they play it in a different way than i do. For the Missionrunners pimping their Ships is one of their goals in EVE. And why not? I like Ganking and i like PVP, but i don't like ganking without any risk and possibility for the victim to protct himself.
Saying that gank victims have no possibility of protecting themselves makes it painfully obvious you don't PvP, so stop lying about that.
I talk about Suicideganking Missionrunners. What possibilities have they? Fly with cheap Fitting or stay on Station? Lol. And beware of saying that ppl are lying you don't know. Thats not nice and kiddielike.
suicide ganking mission runners is the risk vs reward the carebears whine so much about.
You make free isk in empire and even more then a 0.0 ratter does with no risk of dieing from the rats unless u run a lvl5 and even that cant be soloed.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sorted
Bin all insurance and be done with it!
That'd be fine, as long as actual new players had some extra security for a bit after starting. Of course it'd have to be implemented so that recycled suicide alts, which happen despite being declared an exploit, could not take advantage of it.
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Gul Rashen
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:04:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Gul Rashen
I talk about Suicideganking Missionrunners. What possibilities have they? Fly with cheap Fitting or stay on Station? Lol.
Again you demonstrate your lack of knowledge. It is this exact lack of knowledge that has led us to this situation. People are too ****ing stupid to examine the options they have.
I often haul through high sec. Do you know how many times I've been suicide ganked? Zero. Out of all the people I know (all of them fairly level headed, intelligent individuals), do you know how many of them have been suicide ganked? Zero. The reason is that we use the options available to us.
Stop lying and I'll stop telling you to stop lying.
Read the post. I was not talking about Haulers and come visite me in Oulley for a cup of Tea.
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Delichon
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:05:00 -
[159]
To the OP:
Welcome to the Hello Kitty Online. For free cake please proceed to the closest lowsec-to-0.0 bottleneck system. Faction fitted ships get a priority at cake-sharing. Enjoy your cake. Good bye. ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. They will be nerfing you directly next.
EVE A new game every 6 months. (c) Atomos Darksun |
Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:06:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Gul Rashen
Originally by: Sorted
plenty of options for runners.
1. Drop a can at the warp in point, move 30k from the can. 2. Fly aligned. 3. Use an alt to watch the entry gate. 4. undock using an off grid undock insta to avoid scans., 5. set the scanner to 1m KM and tap it occasionaly
1. See 3. 2. Only possible if you don't have to watch the distance to the NPC's (Cruise Missile-User) 3. Do they come through the Gate, when you get probed out? I don't know, wasn't ganked in Missions cause i use T2-Stuff. 4. signed 5. and? Then they can also watch the local. But you don't know who is a Ganker and who not.
so you havent been ganked, and never have ganked.. and your chirping up why?
3. Yes, of course. through the same gate you went through. use a back scout. (..waaaa.. i want to fly solo, well they have a few folk, so at least invest in an alt to protect ur multi billion mission ship) 5. (if you see a few ships within that range your in trouble)
and i repeat: so you havent been ganked, and never have ganked.. and your chirping up why? Vote against the nano nerf! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Axhind Should have been the main thing for CSM. Kick the bastards out of the NPC corps (by limiting attacking, ships they can use, mission levels, whatever). Plus they need to fix the jump corps when war decced crap too. It would enable a lot more PvP in empire as NPC corps are used only for avoiding war deccs now days (and it's not only empire carebears there, there is plenty of 0.0 alts there too).
Unless you also remove all control PC corps have over who can and can't join their ranks, this is a utterly moronic idea. You want players out of NPC corps? Then all limitations to joining PC corps must be removed as well. No more interviews; no more vetting; no more waiting for the CEO to accept you – just click "join" and you're in. Kicking people out would probably still be allowed, but guess what – click "join", and they're right back in. Sound like an awful idea? Yes, but that's what will be required.
You see, you don't get to tell me what people I must play with. I do. If I choose not to join a PC corps because I can't find one that a) isn't run by complete morons and b) doesn't require previous experience/tons of SP/inside connections, then that's my choice – not yours. If you don't like it, you can go jump in a lake.
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:07:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Delichon To the OP:
Welcome to the Hello Kitty Online. For free cake please proceed to the closest lowsec-to-0.0 bottleneck system. Faction fitted ships get a priority at cake-sharing. Enjoy your cake. Good bye.
nice corp.... Vote against the nano nerf! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tharukan Desm'ar insurance [...] sense
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:09:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Tippia Sound like an awful idea? Yes, but that's what will be required.
Or you could, you know, form your own one man corp? Or CCP could introduce specific wardeccable NPC corps? -
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Serj Darek
Minmatar Mentally Unstable Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:10:00 -
[165]
Originally by: copasetic sideways
Originally by: Redback911 If you think PVP in EVE is about people looking for a fight, you are so so wrong.
look at my shocked little face!
pvp is where it's at, this i know - i just don't understand the mentality of the forum whining arschtards who insist that anyone they choose should be instantly accessible... it's nothing to get stressed about... move on, find anohter victim...
Well, since you haven't been playing this game more than a couple of months, no wonder you don't understand.
Also you seem pretty fond of the sound your keyboard make
First!
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Gul Rashen
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:11:00 -
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Edited by: Gul Rashen on 06/08/2008 11:14:31
Originally by: Sorted
3. Yes, of course. through the same gate you went through. use a back scout. (..waaaa.. i want to fly solo, well they have a few folk, so at least invest in an alt to protect ur multi billion mission ship)
OK, i didn't knew that. Some of my Informations only come through the Forums and Friends. And yes, i've never Ganked Missionrunners. It's not my Style. I like roaming Gangs more, more thrill. But not i'm the theme here but the upcomig changes. Its possible to discuss this with arguments and without offenses.
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Moonmonkey
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:12:00 -
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"In addition, the highly requested feature of removal of insurance in CONCORD related events will be implemented in the near future."
This must have seeded a few carebear tears, thats right gankers can be carebears to.
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gul Rashen Read the post. I was not talking about Haulers and come visite me in Oulley for a cup of Tea.
And you're still dumb. Mission runners have the option to not make themselves into targets. By fitting T2 instead of faction and officer for example. If you fit expensive, you increase your risk. That's how it is now.
After the nerf, mission runners will be completely safe. The amount of BS it takes to take out a CNR before CONCORD shows up is going to make it improfitable. Hence, this is a HUGE boost to NPC corp high sec mission runners. Just like they needed another boost.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Gul Rashen
OK, i didn't knew that. Some of my Informations only come through the Forums and Friends. And yes, i've never Ganked Missionrunners. It's not my Style. I like roaming Gangs more, more thrill.
What did I tell you about lying?
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:14:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Gul Rashen
Originally by: Sorted
3. Yes, of course. through the same gate you went through. use a back scout. (..waaaa.. i want to fly solo, well they have a few folk, so at least invest in an alt to protect ur multi billion mission ship)
OK, i didn't knew that. Some of my Informations only come through the Forums and Friends. And yes, i've never Ganked Missionrunners. It's not my Style. I like roaming Gangs more, more thrill.
how do you know. You have NEVER tried it.
wtfs up with you??
why are you here??? Vote against the nano nerf! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=832371
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Gul Rashen
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:16:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Gul Rashen
OK, i didn't knew that. Some of my Informations only come through the Forums and Friends. And yes, i've never Ganked Missionrunners. It's not my Style. I like roaming Gangs more, more thrill.
What did I tell you about lying?
I was uninformed but not lying. Stop your Offenses.
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:18:00 -
[172]
Edited by: Ki An on 06/08/2008 11:18:52
Originally by: Gul Rashen I was uninformed but not lying. Stop your Offenses. If you wanna figths then fight IG.
You where lying about PvPing again. You don't PvP. It's obvious.
I'll take you up on your offer though. Fit faction and meet me in Tash Murkon region.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Max Warg
Caldari Chosen Path
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Max Warg on 06/08/2008 11:19:37 Those who choses to play the criminal will finally be treated as criminals by the game. Its by choice we gank in empire space. I dont make a carrear as a pirate but have been known to follow 0.0 foes into low sec and attack. I may have to re-think that one. Now that i cant rat for a while and repair my sec status. While not nessasary good for me, I do like these changes. My only concern is what happens over time will be that all pirates/ criminal activity will be removed all togather from empire as there security status gets worse and worse. Esentialy making large areas of safe space except for budding criminals that can still operate there. Max
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Redback911
Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:18:00 -
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If you don't leave you NPC corp within 6 months, you are thrown into a sister NPC corp that can (and I'm sure will be consntantly) be wardecced. That way people are more than encouraged to move into a Player Corp where some kind of organised defence can be undertaken.
Then, change corp leaving timer to 7 days regardless of roles.
Then move level 4 missions to lowsec, and implement exploaration mining belts (proper ones) with decent ore in lowsec and 0.0.
There you go - risk vs reward.
And for those who moan about lvl 4 missions in lowsec - why is it so hard for mission runners to band together to fight pirates? I know several successful corps in this regard.
Stop playing EVE like it's a 1 player game with a chat interface.
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Delichon
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:18:00 -
[175]
Edited by: Delichon on 06/08/2008 11:23:54 "L4-carebears" debate is so much like "AFK-cloakers" debate.
Can't shoot you, can't give intel on you, yet some how ****es an incredible number of people off. ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. They will be nerfing you directly next.
EVE A new game every 6 months. (c) Atomos Darksun |
Gaia Thorn
Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:21:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Axhind Should have been the main thing for CSM. Kick the bastards out of the NPC corps (by limiting attacking, ships they can use, mission levels, whatever). Plus they need to fix the jump corps when war decced crap too. It would enable a lot more PvP in empire as NPC corps are used only for avoiding war deccs now days (and it's not only empire carebears there, there is plenty of 0.0 alts there too).
Unless you also remove all control PC corps have over who can and can't join their ranks, this is a utterly moronic idea. You want players out of NPC corps? Then all limitations to joining PC corps must be removed as well. No more interviews; no more vetting; no more waiting for the CEO to accept you û just click "join" and you're in. Kicking people out would probably still be allowed, but guess what û click "join", and they're right back in. Sound like an awful idea? Yes, but that's what will be required.
You see, you don't get to tell me what people I must play with. I do. If I choose not to join a PC corps because I can't find one that a) isn't run by complete morons and b) doesn't require previous experience/tons of SP/inside connections, then that's my choice û not yours. If you don't like it, you can go jump in a lake.
Heres a tip for you.
Start youre own corp ? Since you only seem to love yourself. cost is something like 2 million if i remember correctly.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Qui Shon on 06/08/2008 11:22:10
Originally by: Serj
Also you seem pretty fond of the sound your keyboard make
Actually, I found this bog standard Dell OEM keyboard in a pile of unused stuff at work, and it has the most delightful feel and a nice sound too. I now like it more then any of the "pro" keyboards I've used over the years.
Hmm, have to post some more I think.
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ramzahn
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:26:00 -
[178]
The griefers are grieving?
Really?
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Stab Wounds
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:26:00 -
[179]
hahah griefers had this coming for a long time. maybe you griefers in this thread should try fighting people that can fight back? first the nano-nerf and this. This game is turning out quite well.
Adapt or die losers.
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Furb Killer
Gallente The first genesis Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:29:00 -
[180]
Like usual people are thinking the other side has it easier than what you do.
Remember when heavy dictors were introduced? All the carebears whining it would become grief online. Now security status will actually mean something and you are all whining you cant keep suicide ganking in high sec with little to no cost.
This means only one thing for the suicide gankers for profit: You dont gank everything which has more than 5M isk in its cargohold for profit, you only do it when you really profit from it. It doesnt make any sense that concord would allow people in high security space when it is known they will suicide gank a ship. (and its crew does not have clones waiting).
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