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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.29 15:08:00 -
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Against the Nerf
- Fighter Pilots: These guys like the speed and intensity of a highly agile and fast nano ship. The constant management of TV, MWD's, range and aggro meant that they had to really focus on the fight in order to stay ahead. This style of fighting suited them, and they enjoyed it. It's also a part of EvE that has always been really lacking, as relative speed and velocity take away the ZING of combat between ships this size. Their largest complaint is that this proposed change will take away the intensity of combat they enjoy.
- Adapt or Die: Also a legitimate group, these gents recognized how effective nano's were in choosing the battlefield and managing the odds of survivability, and then trained so that they could fight back. With similar ships and modules, they look the same as other nano pilots, but their intent isn't on hit-and-run engagements, but protecting their fleet from said tactics. Their main complaint, when they aren't already planning on how to counter the next fad, is that all they've learned will be wasted.
- L33t: These guys think money solves their problems, and recognizing the benefits of having a ship that can decide when to fight and when to run, they are willing to spend outrageous amounts of isk to build the 'perfect' setup. They don't care that the economy has inflated the value of nano ships, because no price is too high. Yet, their primary complaint when viewing the nano-nerf isn't really about the changes themselves, but the isk they will lose because of the decrease in value of nano equipment.
- Expoiters: These are the players who knew how grossly one-sided a nano fleet could be, trained because they recognized how it could be used, and don't mind using an exploit as long as they win. A lot of their arguments hide behind the above stereotypes, but deep down, they know that they are just arguing in the hope of maintaining power. But, like the 'adapt or die' crowd, they are also already thinking ahead and scouting for the next powerhouse fit and flying style. Some may already have skills training to that effect.
- Ignorant Newbs: Doing more harm than good, they trained half-backed nano fits, flew them very poorly, and made up the massive numbers of nano pilots seen on the field. They lacked the skills, the ability, even the mentality for the fit, and while they may have had a lucky kill here and there, they spent more time running than fighting. They will argue against any change to this style because they consider themselves 'Real' nano pilots, but will quickly jump to the next fad when it comes out. They never stop complaining about past nerfs, though. Never.
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.29 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: Ruze on 29/07/2008 15:19:44
For the Nerf
- Guerrilla Fighters: These guys recognized how the fad was causing their profession of hit-and-run tactics to be overused, and thus, losing it's effect. They are well versed in picking targets and odds, and nano ships were just one means of doing so. Many are pirates or mercenaries by profession, or some of the new FW units. They support the nerf because they know that it won't kill their tactics, but will stop them from being so popular.
- Caldari Pilots: The ultimate stereotype, these guys have the largest playerbase, and the majority of that playerbase are mission runners and missile users. And when you can't hit your target with those wonderful NPC-killing missiles, and your ships are generally as slow as Cadari, nano's seem like the worst idea imaginable. What they really wanted was a boost to their missile skills, but slowing the rest of the ships down so that they can get a shot in now and again suits them just fine.
- Adapt or Die: Playing both sides of the fence, they are already getting ready for the next change. Maybe they didn't enjoy flying nano, or maybe they recognized that nano's were too prevalent on the battlefield. So when they saw the dev blog, they were already up-in-arms and willing to move onto the next flavor of the month.
- Also Ignorant Newbs: Not the same fake nano-pilots from the other team, these guys were taught from forum jockeys and local channel that nano pilots were invincible and unbeatable. They believe that a nano ship is the next best thing to god, and would **** themselves if they ever ran into an Arbitrator in low sec, thinking they are facing the horribly overpowered curse. Drop a word like 'Vaga' in channel, and watch their rehearsed opinions come out.
- Balance Monkeys: (I fall into this broad category) With their own preconcieved notions of how the game SHOULD work, these guys freely offer their own opinions, sometimes very crazy and odd ones, whenever a change is proposed. Some even want change for the sake of change, not really caring on which leg this supposed 'balance' is standing on. Others recognize that the nerf won't kill nano's, but will kill the pure amount of so-called nano pilots.
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Major Stallion
The Dark Horses
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Posted - 2008.07.29 15:11:00 -
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make it stop..
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Trojanman190
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.29 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Trojanman190 on 29/07/2008 15:12:05
Aw fail =(
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.29 15:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Ruze
- Ignorant Newbs: Doing more harm than good, they trained half-backed nano fits, flew them very poorly, and made up the massive numbers of nano pilots seen on the field. They lacked the skills, the ability, even the mentality for the fit, and while they may have had a lucky kill here and there, they spent more time running than fighting. They will argue against any change to this style because they consider themselves 'Real' nano pilots, but will quickly jump to the next fad when it comes out. They never stop complaining about past nerfs, though. Never.
I actually fall somewhat into this category, mostly though thinking "Hrm, I've got this ship, I wonder what'll happen if I nano it out?" Unfortunately it usually leads to this: Failvexor 
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TheG2
Gallente
Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2008.07.29 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Ruze
- Ignorant Newbs: Doing more harm than good, they trained half-backed nano fits, flew them very poorly, and made up the massive numbers of nano pilots seen on the field. They lacked the skills, the ability, even the mentality for the fit, and while they may have had a lucky kill here and there, they spent more time running than fighting. They will argue against any change to this style because they consider themselves 'Real' nano pilots, but will quickly jump to the next fad when it comes out. They never stop complaining about past nerfs, though. Never.
I actually fall somewhat into this category, mostly though thinking "Hrm, I've got this ship, I wonder what'll happen if I nano it out?" Unfortunately it usually leads to this: Failvexor
That is a fail vexor :(
That said, I've been in 0.0 for the last 2 weeks in nothing but a pure T1 fit (no rigs) nano-vexor. I haven't used it for PVP, and don't even have a cloak yet have escaped multiple gank attempts and can rat no problem (Ok I lied, I have T2 hammerheads).
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.29 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: Tarminic on 29/07/2008 15:24:33
Originally by: Ruze
- Adapt or Die: Playing both sides of the fence, they are already getting ready for the next change. Maybe they didn't enjoy flying nano, or maybe they recognized that nano's were too prevalent on the battlefield. So when they saw the dev blog, they were already up-in-arms and willing to move onto the next flavor of the month.
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- Balance Monkeys: (I fall into this broad category) With their own preconcieved notions of how the game SHOULD work, these guys freely offer their own opinions, sometimes very crazy and odd ones, whenever a change is proposed. Some even want change for the sake of change, not really caring on which leg this supposed 'balance' is standing on. Others recognize that the nerf won't kill nano's, but will kill the pure amount of so-called nano pilots.
I fall about 1/3rd into the first category and 2/3rds into the second.
Originally by: TheG2
That is a fail vexor :(
That said, I've been in 0.0 for the last 2 weeks in nothing but a pure T1 fit (no rigs) nano-vexor. I haven't used it for PVP, and don't even have a cloak yet have escaped multiple gank attempts and can rat no problem (Ok I lied, I have T2 hammerheads).
Actually, I did some good with it. Killed a bellicose by alternating bumping and keeping at range (missiles were a problem though), and then I lost an engagement against a thrasher and retreated after losing some drones, but tried to come back and almost beat him using my 3 remaining drones and nos. Then I ran into a 15-man gatecamp who knew how to break a cloak. 
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GallenteCitizen20080615
Gallente
Federation War News
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Posted - 2008.07.29 15:25:00 -
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im sparticus 
good nerf be glad to see something on the killboard that isnt a cookie cut out
this is no mind showing that i am bitter off the nerf as for one i dont fly nano and 2 i can easily kill a nano
so this nerf doesnt effect me just means my target will have mnore sheild/ armour for me to kill which would be nice
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
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Wilma RingSting
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Posted - 2008.07.29 15:26:00 -
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As long as it's the same for everyone, what difference does it make? Consistency 4tw
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Jenny' JoJo
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.07.29 15:29:00 -
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pEOPLE uNHAPPY aBOUT nANO nERF sHOULD rEMEMBER tHAT oNCE a pON A tIME mISSILES uSED tO dO fULL dAMAGE. tHE nANO pILOTS sHOULD sTOP wHINING sINCE tORPEDO'S nO lONGER dO fULL dAMAGE tO a iNTERCEPTER
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.29 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny' JoJo
pEOPLE uNHAPPY aBOUT nANO nERF sHOULD rEMEMBER tHAT oNCE a pON A tIME mISSILES uSED tO dO fULL dAMAGE. tHE nANO pILOTS sHOULD sTOP wHINING sINCE tORPEDO'S nO lONGER dO fULL dAMAGE tO a iNTERCEPTER
Your just ... um ...
I hate you.
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Lorzion
Minmatar
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.07.29 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze
Edited by: Ruze on 29/07/2008 15:19:44
For the Nerf
- Guerrilla Fighters: These guys recognized how the fad was causing their profession of hit-and-run tactics to be overused, and thus, losing it's effect. They are well versed in picking targets and odds, and nano ships were just one means of doing so. Many are pirates or mercenaries by profession, or some of the new FW units. They support the nerf because they know that it won't kill their tactics, but will stop them from being so popular.
- Caldari Pilots: The ultimate stereotype, these guys have the largest playerbase, and the majority of that playerbase are mission runners and missile users. And when you can't hit your target with those wonderful NPC-killing missiles, and your ships are generally as slow as Cadari, nano's seem like the worst idea imaginable. What they really wanted was a boost to their missile skills, but slowing the rest of the ships down so that they can get a shot in now and again suits them just fine.
- Adapt or Die: Playing both sides of the fence, they are already getting ready for the next change. Maybe they didn't enjoy flying nano, or maybe they recognized that nano's were too prevalent on the battlefield. So when they saw the dev blog, they were already up-in-arms and willing to move onto the next flavor of the month.
- Also Ignorant Newbs: Not the same fake nano-pilots from the other team, these guys were taught from forum jockeys and local channel that nano pilots were invincible and unbeatable. They believe that a nano ship is the next best thing to god, and would **** themselves if they ever ran into an Arbitrator in low sec, thinking they are facing the horribly overpowered curse. Drop a word like 'Vaga' in channel, and watch their rehearsed opinions come out.
- Balance Monkeys: (I fall into this broad category) With their own preconcieved notions of how the game SHOULD work, these guys freely offer their own opinions, sometimes very crazy and odd ones, whenever a change is proposed. Some even want change for the sake of change, not really caring on which leg this supposed 'balance' is standing on. Others recognize that the nerf won't kill nano's, but will kill the pure amount of so-called nano pilots.
wrong category.
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.29 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lorzion
Originally by: Ruze
Lots of me talking
wrong category.
Fair enough. I still think that alot of people who think the nano-nerf will kill guerrilla fighting don't understand that speed and agility are just a small part of that style of combat, but I can see what you mean, yes.
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GallenteCitizen20080615
Gallente
Federation War News
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Posted - 2008.07.29 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: Jenny' JoJo
pEOPLE uNHAPPY aBOUT nANO nERF sHOULD rEMEMBER tHAT oNCE a pON A tIME mISSILES uSED tO dO fULL dAMAGE. tHE nANO pILOTS sHOULD sTOP wHINING sINCE tORPEDO'S nO lONGER dO fULL dAMAGE tO a iNTERCEPTER
Your just ... um ...
I hate you.
she deifnelty belongs to the jenny spitfire family
we need a dragon slayer
QUICK !!!!!11!
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.29 21:45:00 -
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Who is this Jenny Spitfire character, and why wasn't they shot long ago?
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.07.29 21:47:00 -
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Oh jesus did Jenny mult again? I just finally got to being able to understand the other 'personality'
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Sid Zero
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Posted - 2008.07.29 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze
- Guerrilla Fighters: These guys recognized how the fad was causing their profession of hit-and-run tactics to be overused, and thus, losing it's effect. They are well versed in picking targets and odds, and nano ships were just one means of doing so. Many are pirates or mercenaries by profession, or some of the new FW units. They support the nerf because they know that it won't kill their tactics, but will stop them from being so popular.
This. Especially when one considers the possible use of AFs in conjunction with other t2 frigs for fast attack guerilla squads.
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GallenteCitizen20080615
Gallente
Federation War News
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Posted - 2008.07.29 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Oh jesus did Jenny mult again? I just finally got to being able to understand the other 'personality'
i though insest was illegal
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
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