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Oxylan
1 Caldaryjski Pluton Uderzeniowy
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Posted - 2012.03.19 04:15:00 -
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How about destroying market mineral price ? let say half year withaut seling minerals-ore and producing ships? prices of mienral may jump very high after big period of time, we all know those people who suicide love to suicide and pvp, but for pvp they need ships, so stop seling own ore, bump by this way mineral price let them pay for battleships like 250-300mil isk per battleship if they want pew pew, or 3-4mil isk per destroyer, or force them to grind 3 day mission to get some amonut of mineral needed to produce own pvp ships.
Why? because meny of you only cry about suicide ganks etc, maybe you need revnage ? Those suicide gankers destroying your ships and abbility to earn money so do same to them, and stop cry, let them cry and whine about mineral and ships price |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.03.19 04:18:00 -
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Oxylan wrote:How about destroying market mineral price ? let say half year withaut seling minerals-ore and producing ships? prices of mienral may jump very high after big period of time, we all know those people who suicide love to suicide and pvp, but for pvp they need ships, so stop seling own ore, bump by this way mineral price let them pay for battleships like 250-300mil isk per battleship if they want pew pew, or 3-4mil isk per destroyer.
Why? because meny of you only cry about suicide ganks etc, maybe you need revnage ? Those suicide gankers destroying your ships and abbility to earn money so do same to them, and stop cry, let them cry and whine about mineral and ships price
Go ahead try but what will really happen is all the trolls here will blame the destruction of the market on something else like Incursions or the Titan nerf somehow with thier twisted troll logic.. |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1055
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Posted - 2012.03.19 04:24:00 -
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Good luck - you'll need it.
Get |
Oxylan
1 Caldaryjski Pluton Uderzeniowy
8
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Posted - 2012.03.19 04:26:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Oxylan wrote:How about destroying market mineral price ? let say half year withaut seling minerals-ore and producing ships? prices of mienral may jump very high after big period of time, we all know those people who suicide love to suicide and pvp, but for pvp they need ships, so stop seling own ore, bump by this way mineral price let them pay for battleships like 250-300mil isk per battleship if they want pew pew, or 3-4mil isk per destroyer.
Why? because meny of you only cry about suicide ganks etc, maybe you need revnage ? Those suicide gankers destroying your ships and abbility to earn money so do same to them, and stop cry, let them cry and whine about mineral and ships price Go ahead try but what will really happen is all the trolls here will blame the destruction of the market on something else like Incursions.
I call it simply (destroying) because some players love to destroy other players ideas and sense of play, so lets burn eve economy, who cares, here in eve is freedeom, you can be scamer, you can harras people 2 month long with war dec vs two month old newbis, and CCP allow this. |
Daemeon Fyral
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2012.03.19 04:35:00 -
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what... what... wait... WHAT? are you seriously suggesting that every miner STOPPING is a good way to get back at suicide gankers? ummm... wouldn't people not mining pretty much be admitting defeat? and how do you actually seriously expect people to go along with this. Not to mention alot of people who suicide gank either have alts capable of mining, can do so themselves, or at the very least have other people in their corps or alliances who can do it.
So lets assume for a moment here that you somehow do get all the miners to stop selling or and producing ships, well the pvpers will have their alts still doing it. and everyone will still need ships/ammo/etc no matter what they are doing, and with the normal production lines shut down, sure the prices would skyrocket. but that money would be going straight into the pockets of everyone who DOESN'T go along with your plan.
Not to mention that as the prices rise further and further more of these theoretical boycotters will be tempted by the large amount of isk they could make and go back to it. once more flooding the market with ships and minerals driving the price back down.
Knowledge of how the market works, you obviously do not have it. |
Arakazzi
Epsilon Inc STORM.
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Posted - 2012.03.19 04:45:00 -
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Miners going on strike? That reminds me of something... |
Nikola Aivoras
Mercantilist Corporation of New Eden
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Posted - 2012.03.19 04:56:00 -
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One major flaw in this plan is that halting hisec mining will only really leave a gap for the null alliances' industry divisions to fill. While the prices of everything will inevitably go up, the gankers will still have ships, and the hisec miners end up losing... because they've all stopped mining. |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
5
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Posted - 2012.03.19 05:02:00 -
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Oxylan wrote:because meny of you only cry about suicide ganks etc, maybe you need revnage ? Confirming I need revnage. I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
536
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Posted - 2012.03.19 05:31:00 -
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This revnage thing sounds pretty fun, can I have some too?
@ OP: There are three fundamental problems with your plan: 1. You need everyone to stop selling their minerals. From the new player in his rookie ship, to that guy running a Retriever while he's studying, to the indy corps with fleets of Hulks, to the botters in high and null, to the guys farming drone sites and refining drone goo into minerals. 2. You need no one else to fill in the brand new profitable gap in the market you just created. 3. If you do somehow get everyone to hold onto their minerals, most of the people in #1 will rather make profit in the short term than try and wait out for your long term goal of 300m T1 battleships. |
Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
34
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Posted - 2012.03.19 05:53:00 -
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How will you buy PLEXes for 18 mining bot accounts if you don't sell those minerals? Post with your monkey. |
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
120
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Posted - 2012.03.19 06:31:00 -
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I hope this guy doesn't find out there are other ways to get minerals other than mining. |
Oxylan
1 Caldaryjski Pluton Uderzeniowy
8
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Posted - 2012.03.19 07:06:00 -
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Patient 2428190 wrote:I hope this guy doesn't find out there are other ways to get minerals other than mining.
You have to lot wreaks form around 11 gone berserk lvl 4 to produce one tier 3 bs. and this take probably one week for one casual in fact 70- 80% minerals are form asteroid bels so dont tell me a bullshit about other mineral source, stupid arogant insinuation. Oh wait drone region... or maybe you got tritanium blueprint |
Oxylan
1 Caldaryjski Pluton Uderzeniowy
8
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Posted - 2012.03.19 07:10:00 -
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Grumpymunky wrote:How will you buy PLEXes for 18 mining bot accounts if you don't sell those minerals?
Moron |
Raiykjab
Federal Navy Academy
13
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Posted - 2012.03.19 07:21:00 -
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Eve has miners? No but, seriously. |
Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
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Posted - 2012.03.19 07:53:00 -
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To be fair, he HAS a point. A full out miners strike would play havok with the markets, placing ship production sqarely in the hands of null alliances. Prices would skyrocket (because null alliances know how to use a captive market).
Then in a few months those miners sensible enough to have stockpiled during the strike can make a killing by undercutting the null alliances by 50%, and still make 10x the current market value back of their ore.
Of course it would never actually happen. Miners are gonna mine, botters are gonna bot.
But it would be hilarious if they did all just go on strike for a few weeks, throw the trit price through the roof for a while. All those gankbear tears would probably form a new nebula.
And of course, stockpiling, and buying ship insurance at the peak of the price-hike ad all the other fun, profitable goodies. |
SlayerOfArgus
Dare to Dream
6
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Posted - 2012.03.19 08:41:00 -
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The amount of effort needed to pull this off would be tremendous and it'd be even more difficult to organize them together so that they do not actually sell their minerals.
You'd need so many people in a concerted effort to do this.
You could always try this: Get hundreds of miners to band together and stop mining. If this causes prices to rise then this may attract more and more miners. You could then get your own suicide ganking squads and ravage the mining fields since those miners are not adhering to the strike. The hilarity of miners attacking miners would only be surpassed by the potential of some of the worst possible fits.
But, like someone mentioned before, miners are rather apathetic. |
Samantha Utama
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.03.19 09:13:00 -
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Implying hi-sec bears can look further than their personal isk/hr and work together for a common cause |
Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
102
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Posted - 2012.03.19 10:44:00 -
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Your idea is based on a faulty premise.
The miners of New Eden are not, have never been and probably never will be a unified, organised whole but are a mass of disparte individuals who will sell to the market when it meets conditions they find acceptable.
It also fails to take into account not only mineral reserves held by corps / individuals but also the fact that most serious large scale manufacturers have already put systems in place to ensure a continuity of material supply independent of the market. In fact they would probably welcome the opportunity your scheme would create not only to increase prices but also their market share at the expense of the smaller manufacturers. |
My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2012.03.19 11:00:00 -
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This was supposed so many times, and it did-¦nt work for a single week, never.
Simply because of that mineral prices are up on highsec mins (when in the last years have you seen trit selling for +4,50) and mex is up as well.
Miners make double iskies since lets say last year, and you can afford losing a hulk to ganks after 50 hours of mining.
This, and the fact that it IS possible to tank a hulk so it cannot be destroyed by a single dessy. This, and the fact that they removed insurance for beeing concordokken, and Tier 3 BC are not so cheap.
When they suicide a civilian shieldboosted, cargohold expanded bot, hail to the gankers.
Good luck with your endeavour, sadly won-¦t work as i said in the beginning. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
375
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Posted - 2012.03.19 11:13:00 -
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Stops mining. Looks around.
Yawns.
Mining Resumes. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
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Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
36
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Posted - 2012.03.19 11:15:00 -
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Nitwit
Post with your monkey. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
301
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Posted - 2012.03.19 11:48:00 -
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Revnage to all suicide bankers |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
223
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Posted - 2012.03.19 12:24:00 -
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Oxylan wrote:How about destroying market mineral price ? let say half year withaut seling minerals-ore and producing ships? prices of mienral may jump very high after big period of time, we all know those people who suicide love to suicide and pvp, but for pvp they need ships, so stop seling own ore, bump by this way mineral price let them pay for battleships like 250-300mil isk per battleship if they want pew pew, or 3-4mil isk per destroyer, or force them to grind 3 day mission to get some amonut of mineral needed to produce own pvp ships.
Why? because meny of you only cry about suicide ganks etc, maybe you need revnage ? Those suicide gankers destroying your ships and abbility to earn money so do same to them, and stop cry, let them cry and whine about mineral and ships price
It's not gonna work mainly because the New Eden economy is designed to stabilize itself as a result of the players' self interests. It's what macroeconomics refers to as the "invisible hand" phenomenon which was thought up by the father of modern economics known as Adam Smith in his 1776 book titled "An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations".
Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/invisiblehand.asp#ixzz1pZ2xXrT1
And besides, who is to say that all high-sec suicide gankers are strictly pvpers? Some of them are dedicated miners who are intent on driving up the prices so that they can profit. Also, once the mining profession becomes more profitable than mission running or doing incursions or going into battle players will flock to the mining profession to take advantage of the new profit potential. And yes, people will be more than willing to mine in a battleship if they have to. It's not like it hasn't been done before.
Even if prices were to somehow skyrocket, the self interests of the players will ensure that those prices will stabilize later on. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Flyberius
Intergalactic Shrimp Emporium
4
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Posted - 2012.03.19 12:54:00 -
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I don't think he understands the words you guys are using.
His replies seem to be repeating the same point as if we haven't understood his grand plan for a brave new world. |
Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club BLACK-MARK
42
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Posted - 2012.03.19 13:27:00 -
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Oxylan wrote:How about destroying market mineral price ? let say half year withaut seling minerals-ore and producing ships? prices of mienral may jump very high after big period of time, we all know those people who suicide love to suicide and pvp, but for pvp they need ships, so stop seling own ore, bump by this way mineral price let them pay for battleships like 250-300mil isk per battleship if they want pew pew, or 3-4mil isk per destroyer, or force them to grind 3 day mission to get some amonut of mineral needed to produce own pvp ships.
Why? because meny of you only cry about suicide ganks etc, maybe you need revnage ? Those suicide gankers destroying your ships and abbility to earn money so do same to them, and stop cry, let them cry and whine about mineral and ships price
Its good idea but you must wait for a nerf of drones regions and unite. Im also waiting for drones to be changed will be fun :) |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
428
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Posted - 2012.03.19 14:30:00 -
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Oxylan wrote:How about destroying market mineral price ?
It's never a wise idea to poop in the plate from which you eat. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
26
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Posted - 2012.03.19 14:37:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Good luck - you'll need it.
Seriously, affecting the market would require shutting down, not just killing, but convincing them to give up, 1000s of miners.
Forcing one shutdown can be difficult if the miner is smart, forcing 1000s would be very hard and would have to get into hardcore stalking.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
682
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Posted - 2012.03.19 14:40:00 -
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Oh, you guys...
You are really trying hard to convince me to make a mining alt, aren't you? That's cute. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
179
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Posted - 2012.03.19 17:27:00 -
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But if I go six months withaut seling menrals will the amonut matter? If I just lot wreaks in an arogant style I can have my revange?
kuel!
(hint, Google Chrome has spell check) I don't always finish my commentary, but when I do |
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