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Dantax Minmatar Trident Munitions	Posted - 2008.07.15 10:20:00 - [1] Edited by: Dantax on 15/07/2008 10:22:36 Trident Munitions About Us Trident Munitions is a corporation created specifically with the intent to trade, buy, sell and manufacture munitions at the most competitive market rates. Our Investment Opportunity We are putting up for sale a total of 20,000 shares at a cost of 10,000 ISK per share. This will generate initial capital of 200,000,000 ISK. What we will use the investment for We will use the investment to purchase blue prints, minerals and stock for trading purposes. Our Safe-guard The corporation has a safe-guard fund which is being held by a third party to ensure your initial investment is intact. - In the first quarter we will safe guard 100% of your investment - In the second quarter we will safe guard 50% of your investment - In the third quarter (and on-going) we will safe guard 10% of your investment This is to allow the reputation of the corporation to develop and to provide security for initial investors. Your shares Each month you will be provided with a report on the corporationÆs performance and the current share value along with projected share value. The corporation will not pay out dividends to investors in the first quarter (1 month = 1 quarter); this is to allow sustained growth through re-investment of any profits into the second quarter. You can sell your shares back to the corporation at any time for their current share value. The corporation will permit investors to vote on whether to pay out dividends or to re-invest profits at the end of the second quarter and for each quarter there after. Share purchase requirements To purchase shares in Trident Munitions you must eve mail dantax with the requested number of shares you wish to purchase. Shares will be sold on a first come first serve basis. There is no minimum/maximum purchase requirement. Thank you Dantax û CEO Trident Munitions Where your Buck makes a Bang
Minnie De'Moocher Hi-Techx Industries United Defence Council	Posted - 2008.07.15 10:30:00 - [2] Sent you a message :)
Dantax Minmatar Trident Munitions	Posted - 2008.07.15 10:34:00 - [3] Im not in-game at the moment so will deal with the requests when I get home. Damn work!
SoleDeo Gloria Minmatar Mission Runners Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.15 11:58:00 - [4] Dantax, I am offering my services as auditor when / if you decide and audit is necessary. Regards My EVE Online Screen Captures Blog
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2008.07.15 12:02:00 - [5] 1. You do realise that margins on T1 ammunition is wafer thin? How do you expect to be paid and satisfy investors demand for dividends. 2. Please give an estimate on the expected dividend payout per month, and when payments will begin. 3. Give an outline on how calculated how much you will grow the business when not paying dividends. You are not really a growth stock if you buyback shares at original value. 4. You are posting collateral with a third party. Please name the third party. The only way you will gain trust on the collateral issue is if the third party is well respected on this forum.
Dantax Minmatar Trident Munitions	Posted - 2008.07.15 12:35:00 - [6] Edited by: Dantax on 15/07/2008 12:39:18 Originally by: cosmoray 1. You do realise that margins on T1 ammunition is wafer thin? How do you expect to be paid and satisfy investors demand for dividends. You assume T1 ammunition; I haven't released any details on the type of munitions. Investors will be given the opportunity to vote on how corporation profits are spent; either via dividend or re-investment. Originally by: cosmoray 2. Please give an estimate on the expected dividend payout per month, and when payments will begin. As the corporation is awaiting capital start-up to commence trading; we cannot predict dividend payout yet; and payments of dividends will be determined as and when by share holders. Originally by: cosmoray 3. Give an outline on how calculated how much you will grow the business when not paying dividends. You are not really a growth stock if you buyback shares at original value. See response to (2). We guarantee buy back of shares at their original value; if share prices increase e.g. from 10,000 ISK to 100,000 ISK then 100,000 ISK is what the share holders will be paid when selling their shares back to the corporation. If share prices drop below 10,000 ISK per share; we guarantee shareholders will receive 10,000 ISK per share; safe guarding their investment. Originally by: cosmoray 4. You are posting collateral with a third party. Please name the third party. The only way you will gain trust on the collateral issue is if the third party is well respected on this forum. The third party will remain nameless as they have no involvement with Trident Munitions other than holding money in trust. Share price per share are low; therefore the risk is relatively low of losing large amounts of money unless large quantities of shares are purchased. Like all share purchases; there is an element of risk; but we have off-set this risk by giving a base share guarantee from the 1,2,3 and ongoing quarters. Great sig, just it's over 24000kbs :) - Cortes
Roguehalo Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.15 12:45:00 - [7] Hmmm I detect a certain amount of scrunginess in respect of this offering
Finedele Marquie-X Corp Majesta Empire	Posted - 2008.07.15 12:47:00 - [8] looking on the rather low amount of requested money and the lacking information regarding dividens, i would say you are better off with a loan, the market, espacially t1, is more than hard as cosmo pointed out.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2008.07.15 12:52:00 - [9] If you don't give out name of third party holding the collateral, how can we prove that: 1. You have actually given them the money. 2. We know where to get our cash from if you scammed. Seeing as how your answers to the questions are very vague, you don't want to give out information AND your business plan will evolve after consulting shareholders I think this is a very risky inestment. The amount you are trying to invest is small, but I still don't want to be scammed out of it. If you want the money, give more details.
Ton Kayeed Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.15 13:00:00 - [10] Originally by: Dantax The third party will remain nameless as they have no involvement with Trident Munitions other than holding money in trust. Share price per share are low; therefore the risk is relatively low of losing large amounts of money unless large quantities of shares are purchased. Like all share purchases; there is an element of risk; but we have off-set this risk by giving a base share guarantee from the 1,2,3 and ongoing quarters. Yeah see, "my buddy has the cash if we go boom. In case we do, don't call him, he'll call you." is not really a guarantee on collateral, is it? --- Kayeed I make dead people
Dantax Minmatar Trident Munitions	Posted - 2008.07.15 13:16:00 - [11] If you think this investment to be too risky; then simply don't invest. I have given my proposal; it is for you to decide based on the information we have released whether you are prepared to take the risk in investing. 200 million ISK is a relatively small amount; and I have placed 200 million ISK of my own money into trust to guarantee share holders share price. Great sig, just it's over 24000kbs :) - Cortes
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2008.07.15 13:28:00 - [12] Originally by: Dantax If you think this investment to be too risky; then simply don't invest. I have given my proposal; it is for you to decide based on the information we have released whether you are prepared to take the risk in investing. 200 million ISK is a relatively small amount; and I have placed 200 million ISK of my own money into trust to guarantee share holders share price. How do we get our money back from the third party if you run?? Welcome to scamville!
Ton Kayeed Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.15 13:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Dantax If you think this investment to be too risky; then simply don't invest. I have given my proposal; it is for you to decide based on the information we have released whether you are prepared to take the risk in investing. 200 million ISK is a relatively small amount; and I have placed 200 million ISK of my own money into trust to guarantee share holders share price. Dear oh dear. Again, putting something "into trust" implies that it is into THE INVESTORS' trust, not yours. Usually this means a known, trusted third party. Whether that's Chribba, eBank, or any other party, it's implied that it should make investors feel safe that the money is available. Your invisible buddy doesn't, therefore your refusal to name him makes it sound even fishier than had you said nothing. This thread is veering into the silly now. --- Kayeed I make dead people
Nido Gentz	Posted - 2008.07.15 14:02:00 - [14] Yeah definitely fishy...he's probably trying to find several people to fund the whole $200MM while saying he is only looking for a "small amount" of cash (threw in a smiley for you Rogue as you forgot it in your post)
Dantax Minmatar Trident Munitions	Posted - 2008.07.15 14:02:00 - [15] If you are so concerned over the validity of the investment then purchase 1 share and see what returns you get. If this proposal is ringing your alarm bells; then simply do NOT invest. Great sig, just it's over 24000kbs :) - Cortes
Minnie De'Moocher Hi-Techx Industries United Defence Council	Posted - 2008.07.15 14:12:00 - [16] I'm gonna be throwing 30mil at Dan simply because 30mil is chump change and because I don't think anyone would try to scam for as little as 200mil (of course if he does scam me then I'll revise this opinion...). I would prefer the collateral to be in eBank or with a known, trusted party but for such a small sum of isk I'm willing to overlook this. Naming the current third party would also be a move in the right direction if eBank or other is undesireable for whatever reason. I will, however, only send the isk once the full 200mil worth of shares has been reserved.
Roguehalo Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.15 14:13:00 - [17] Originally by: Roguehalo Hmmm I detect a certain amount of scrunginess in respect of this offering Hmm i've now upgraded this offering to totally scrungy
Nido Gentz	Posted - 2008.07.15 14:16:00 - [18] Originally by: Minnie De'Moocher I'm gonna be throwing 30mil at Dan simply because 30mil is chump change and because I don't think anyone would try to scam for as little as 200mil (of course if he does scam me then I'll revise this opinion...). I would prefer the collateral to be in eBank or with a known, trusted party but for such a small sum of isk I'm willing to overlook this. Naming the current third party would also be a move in the right direction if eBank or other is undesireable for whatever reason. I will, however, only send the isk once the full 200mil worth of shares has been reserved. Investing just because it is chump change to you sets poor precedents and will lead to further "scrunginess" in these forums. You can obviously do what you want with your money, but I hate when people invest just because it isn't a lot of money to them. Long term consequences...
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2008.07.15 14:17:00 - [19] Originally by: Minnie De'Moocher I'm gonna be throwing 30mil at Dan simply because 30mil is chump change and because I don't think anyone would try to scam for as little as 200mil (of course if he does scam me then I'll revise this opinion...). I would prefer the collateral to be in eBank or with a known, trusted party but for such a small sum of isk I'm willing to overlook this. Naming the current third party would also be a move in the right direction if eBank or other is undesireable for whatever reason. I will, however, only send the isk once the full 200mil worth of shares has been reserved. You realise that investing on the basis that it is chump change means that you are encouraging anyone to come out and say "hey invest in me, the money is so low its hardly worth worrying about". Please just fly to Jita and hand out 10m ISK chunks to random noobs.
Minnie De'Moocher Hi-Techx Industries United Defence Council	Posted - 2008.07.15 14:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Nido Gentz Investing just because it is chump change to you sets poor precedents and will lead to further "scrunginess" in these forums. You can obviously do what you want with your money, but I hate when people invest just because it isn't a lot of money to them. Long term consequences... Just to clarify, the main reason for investing is because I don't think 200mil is worth scamming for.
Roguehalo Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.15 14:23:00 - [21] 2 things to take note of Firstly this corporation has only been in existance 3 days and has obviously been set up specically for this sca.......er venture. Secondly Dantax has been a member of 4 corporations previously all of which are now closed.
Nido Gentz	Posted - 2008.07.15 14:23:00 - [22] Originally by: Minnie De'Moocher Originally by: Nido Gentz Investing just because it is chump change to you sets poor precedents and will lead to further "scrunginess" in these forums. You can obviously do what you want with your money, but I hate when people invest just because it isn't a lot of money to them. Long term consequences... Just to clarify, the main reason for investing is because I don't think 200mil is worth scamming for. To a lot of people, 200mil is a lot of money and definitely worth scamming for. Additionally, he may be trying to get the bond over reserved hence making it much greater than 200mil.
Minnie De'Moocher Hi-Techx Industries United Defence Council	Posted - 2008.07.15 14:28:00 - [23] Fine, sod it... Offer retracted for the time being. I'm new to investing so obviously I overlooked a few things. /me bows to the wisdom of the MD people
Dantax Minmatar Trident Munitions	Posted - 2008.07.15 14:36:00 - [24] To be honest Im thinking of jacking this all in. Im sick and tired of trying to do something in Eve that I enjoy only to be scuppered by people crying SCAM. I don't want to run an IPO for profit; im doing it for fun because I enjoy the aspects of trading etc and wanted others to profit from my work whilst allowing me to delve a little deeper into the economic world of Eve by getting into shares. I have put up 200 mill of my own money to ensure investors don't loose anything should things go **** up; but that makes no difference because you seem to think im a scammer and you bring everything about my character under scrutiny. And yes I have been in 4 corps that have folded; mainly because I log in one day and find the CEO gone and the Corp disbanded. In comparison to some of the IPO's here I think my investment was pretty secure and a relatively small amount as im not asking for billions. I'll just go ahead and invest my own money; I never thought bringing other players into the equation would cause so much of a bloody headache. Great sig, just it's over 24000kbs :) - Cortes
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2008.07.15 14:53:00 - [25] Originally by: Dantax To be honest Im thinking of jacking this all in. Im sick and tired of trying to do something in Eve that I enjoy only to be scuppered by people crying SCAM. I don't want to run an IPO for profit; im doing it for fun because I enjoy the aspects of trading etc and wanted others to profit from my work whilst allowing me to delve a little deeper into the economic world of Eve by getting into shares. I have put up 200 mill of my own money to ensure investors don't loose anything should things go **** up; but that makes no difference because you seem to think im a scammer and you bring everything about my character under scrutiny. And yes I have been in 4 corps that have folded; mainly because I log in one day and find the CEO gone and the Corp disbanded. In comparison to some of the IPO's here I think my investment was pretty secure and a relatively small amount as im not asking for billions. I'll just go ahead and invest my own money; I never thought bringing other players into the equation would cause so much of a bloody headache. You killed yourself for a couple of reasons. 1. First you didn't answer any questions, this is very important to the MD community. Look at other IPO launches both successful and unsuccessful and try to understand why they failed. 2. Your collateral posting. Huge red flag, you refused to divulge the third party or put it with a respected member of community. Refusing to name the person killed you on the spot and made this whole thing look like a massive scam. Transparency, Honesty, Intelligence. Answer all questions. Follow these rules and your 80% of the way to launching an IPO.
Kwint Sommer Caldari Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.07.15 20:28:00 - [26] Originally by: Dantax To be honest Im thinking of jacking this all in. Im sick and tired of trying to do something in Eve that I enjoy only to be scuppered by people crying SCAM. I don't want to run an IPO for profit; im doing it for fun because I enjoy the aspects of trading etc and wanted others to profit from my work whilst allowing me to delve a little deeper into the economic world of Eve by getting into shares. I have put up 200 mill of my own money to ensure investors don't loose anything should things go **** up; but that makes no difference because you seem to think im a scammer and you bring everything about my character under scrutiny. And yes I have been in 4 corps that have folded; mainly because I log in one day and find the CEO gone and the Corp disbanded. In comparison to some of the IPO's here I think my investment was pretty secure and a relatively small amount as im not asking for billions. I'll just go ahead and invest my own money; I never thought bringing other players into the equation would cause so much of a bloody headache. I know it shouldn't but I just can't help smiling at this. 4 hours from proposal to emo-rage-quit, that's a great turnover rate. Stating, "I gave collateral to a 3rd party but you can't know who he is or have any proof that he's reputable" is not putting up security. In fact, it's pretty much the opposite of security as it makes you look suspicious as hell. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Ava Santiago Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.16 00:57:00 - [27] And this is why the regulars on MD are to be feared. The Analysts hold more power than the they would in real life. Concord doesn't provide consequences. Concord provides insurance payouts.

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