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Junkie Beverage GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.13 13:53:00 - [31] "when u try hard dats when u die hard" ~j-beezie
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2008.07.13 13:56:00 - [32] Originally by: cptblood Originally by: HC MasiEEE Originally by: Mynas Atoch Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr The part that doesn't make sense is the part where we're all devs... I never said you were all devs. However, you do contain a significant group of players who are expert with the game mechanics, and a good proportion of the volunteer bugfinders. As a group, your collective knowledge of the game mechanics is significantly stronger than any other 2900 member alliance. Yet still you CHOOSE to set up scenarios you know are most likely to crash nodes and force the game into states where it is at its most unplayable. Why? its not fun to spoil the surprise is it I see it more that BoB are using the same tactics everyone else used against them and failed with.Hopefully they will now give a lesson in how it should be done and break the northern napfest. Mynas you seem alittle bitter towards BoB, me thinks there might be a reason behind all this lol your not at all bitter about the spanking the 'napfest' gave you though are you
Blitz'Krieg Caldari Demon Theory OWN Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.13 14:01:00 - [33] the thing i dont get about MAX just the same as i didn't get about the invasion of delve is why the resources are bunched onto one system. 500 capitals to me seems better to be spread in twenty bunches of 25 hitting every system in every constellation in a wide swathe of the enemies territory. Smart jumpbridging with titans allows you to move support to where its needed and you are far more effective over a larger area and NOBODY can even think of responding. The very worst that will happen is losing one or two of your groups while the enemy loses 18 systems.
HC MasiEEE Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.13 14:08:00 - [34] Originally by: Blitz'Krieg the thing i dont get about MAX just the same as i didn't get about the invasion of delve is why the resources are bunched onto one system. 500 capitals to me seems better to be spread in twenty bunches of 25 hitting every system in every constellation in a wide swathe of the enemies territory. Smart jumpbridging with titans allows you to move support to where its needed and you are far more effective over a larger area and NOBODY can even think of responding. The very worst that will happen is losing one or two of your groups while the enemy loses 18 systems. Loosing 50 caps sounds like a great tactic indeed ______________________________________ HC MasiEEE - Proud Member of DICE
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.07.13 14:11:00 - [35] Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 13/07/2008 14:16:04 Originally by: Blitz'Krieg the thing i dont get about MAX just the same as i didn't get about the invasion of delve is why the resources are bunched onto one system. 500 capitals to me seems better to be spread in twenty bunches of 25 hitting every system in every constellation in a wide swathe of the enemies territory. Smart jumpbridging with titans allows you to move support to where its needed and you are far more effective over a larger area and NOBODY can even think of responding. The very worst that will happen is losing one or two of your groups while the enemy loses 18 systems. This just wouldn't work. Despite being the second biggest alliance in the game, having more dedicated PVP'rs than any other, and having what seems like an unlimited supply of wannabes as cannon fodder, BOB's entire doctrine for fleet battles has always been about putting the maximum firepower on a single location. Outside of the main blob its pretty rare to find any bob mains even logged on. BOB have always had a small cadre of good FCs, some above average players and a host of drones who follow orders. Expecting them to work independently now after years of following the leader is totally beyond them. You only have to look at the poor performance of the individual BOB corps, both in participation and killboard ratings, when operating solo, to see that the blob is their best and only succesful tactic. They are good at it, though .. and very good on homeground .. at moving it around quickly. However, this advantage is totally negated by taking it on the road, and bringing so many pets that the record numbers of capitals etc, just can't load consistently in any system they target. High mobility troops in a quagmire - thus BOB losing every significant engagement since the start of MAX.
sakana North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.13 14:15:00 - [36] Originally by: Antodias and lots and lots and lots and lots of caod poasts its like an antodias wet dream supreme special.
Aales Eae Solus Navy	Posted - 2008.07.13 14:19:00 - [37] Originally by: HC MasiEEE Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger I am quite puzzled by the meager results of that campaign so far though. How can you be puzzeled by the results if the goals of MAX are unknown to you The guy in the pink hat basting the sausages already explained everything. Hey look on the bright side. After this is over people are gonna be so tired of "FAILCASCADE" that we'll have a new catch phrase, all thanks to BOB.
Antodias North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.13 14:20:00 - [38] Originally by: sakana Originally by: Antodias and lots and lots and lots and lots of caod poasts its like an antodias wet dream supreme special. wat up caod tag team buddy o/\o
Pesadel0 Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.13 14:30:00 - [39] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 13/07/2008 14:16:55 Originally by: Blitz'Krieg the thing i dont get about MAX just the same as i didn't get about the invasion of delve is why the resources are bunched onto one system. 500 capitals to me seems better to be spread in twenty bunches of 25 hitting every system in every constellation in a wide swathe of the enemies territory. Smart jumpbridging with titans allows you to move support to where its needed and you are far more effective over a larger area and NOBODY can even think of responding. The very worst that will happen is losing one or two of your groups while the enemy loses 18 systems. This just wouldn't work. Despite being the second biggest alliance in the game, having more dedicated PVP'rs than any other, and having what seems like an unlimited supply of wannabes as cannon fodder, BOB's entire doctrine for fleet battles has always been about putting the maximum firepower on a single location. Outside of the main blob its pretty rare to find any bob mains even logged on. BOB have always had a small cadre of good FCs, some above average players and a host of drones who follow orders. Expecting them to work independently now after years of following the leader is totally beyond them. You only have to look at the poor performance of the individual BOB corps, both in participation and killboard ratings, when operating solo, to see that the blob is their best and only succesful tactic. They are good at it, though .. and very good on homeground .. at moving it around quickly. However, this advantage is totally negated by taking it on the road, and bringing so many pets that the record numbers of capitals etc, just can't load consistently in any system they target. High mobility troops in a quagmire of their own creation - thus BOB losing every significant engagement since the start of MAX. At least we defended our home . ------------------------------------------------------------------
Xailz Amarr Thunder Talons HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.07.13 14:40:00 - [40] Am i the first to say.. who really cares what MAX is all about? at least BOB is actually showing some aggression unlike most of eve who are spassing over moons and farming their isks if there is some grander plan BOB have in store i look forward to it Xz

hired goon Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.07.13 14:42:00 - [41] I want to know why goons aren't taking opportunity to eat BoB space?? -omg-
Xailz Amarr Thunder Talons HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.07.13 14:47:00 - [42] Originally by: hired goon I want to know why goons aren't taking opportunity to eat BoB space?? Cyno jammers+Titans are over powered remember Xz
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.13 14:54:00 - [43] Originally by: hired goon I want to know why goons aren't taking opportunity to eat BoB space?? Ironically enough, I remember a Goon asking your alliance, Mostly Harmless, the same question when you were cynoing out out all of your Dreads from Nol not that long ago. -- Billion Isk Mission
Ghaelsto Kakram Mindgamers	Posted - 2008.07.13 15:27:00 - [44] Originally by: HC MasiEEE You are just speculating we dont know anything, keep it up you already convinced yourself just a few hundred thousand more and you win eve OK, lets go in simple mode here since thats the level you might grasp. You say you have a plan and claim its the best plan anyone has come up with. Got everyone worked up about it and try really hard to bring it to everyone's attention. Yet when it comes to explaining everybody gets left in the dark about it. You're dumb.
Starfall Hammer Starfall Industries	Posted - 2008.07.13 15:45:00 - [45] Originally by: HC MasiEEE Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger I am quite puzzled by the meager results of that campaign so far though. How can you be puzzeled by the results if the goals of MAX are unknown to you Exactly. Though by failing to set out the goals in advance its almost as though bob are deliberately keeping the goals secret so that they can later claim that whatever they do manage to achieve was precisely what they set ut to achieve so the whole thing has been a great success. Oh, and just for you as you seem to be a bit C/O about them -
Nocturnal Avenger Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.13 15:53:00 - [46] Originally by: HC MasiEEE Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger I am quite puzzled by the meager results of that campaign so far though. How can you be puzzeled by the results if the goals of MAX are unknown to you I knew the goals of MAX after I read the NY Times article. I stand by my statement. FYI: "At the barbecue Mr. Molen unveiled a new strategy called Max, for Maximum Damage. While most Eve campaigns center on taking and controlling regions of space, BOBFs new Maximum Damage doctrine focuses on simply pillaging and destroying the territories of others. tOur goal is to control all of Eve,v Mr. Molen said in an interview over an Internet voice chat program. tItFs totally impossible to claim all of Eve physically. But itFs possible to control the people. ItFs possible to control the alliances, be it by economic means or fighting means or political means. That was the goal and that is the goal.v" - Carebear Pirate -
teh punisher Noob Mercs	Posted - 2008.07.13 16:09:00 - [47] Originally by: Scatim Helicon Originally by: Sergeant Spot All according to the plan from the 2006 BoB BBQ.... Now we know why CCP haven't fixed the servers yet, I guess... because bob owns ccp and all the developers, right guys?
Illiya Caldari GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.07.13 16:50:00 - [48] Massive, Unplayable, Gamebreaking, Lag MUGL? Max = Muggles? Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail mods@ccpgames.com - Mitnal
wizzard66 Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:01:00 - [49] Originally by: Mynas Atoch ...some quotes about not understanding what BoB is, what Bob does, what MAX stands for...looking for a reason....cannot find a reason....giving a reason: devhaxorssploits Mynas Mynas..this really isn't your game eh? No indeed, it's not Wow.. not even POTB and not AoC. ITs eve...Adapt or become a victim, seems your gonna be the latter.
BoB sucks Burning Bush Enterprises	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:01:00 - [50] Originally by: HC MasiEEE Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger I am quite puzzled by the meager results of that campaign so far though. How can you be puzzeled by the results if the goals of MAX are unknown to you Well, if the goals of Max is the utter embaresment of BoB, then you are doing fine. Iron has never succesfuly defended her space against an invasion. EVER. They have always withdrawn and come back for it later. If BoB can't even succesfuly shoot up Iron space, what is going to happen if they try and pick on somebody who is halfway competant?

Will Hunter GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:07:00 - [51] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Originally by: Monsieur Escargots Massive, unplayable, gamebreaking, Lag This is what I didn't understand about MAX .. and STILL leaves me puzzled. It seems a strategy designed to showcase the worst problems with the game and the fundamental problems with early design choices made by CCP. Why? BOB contains so many people involved in testing and developing this game, yet they are deliberately creating fleets to break it. Something about this just doesn't make sense. Are we all just unwitting participants in a CCP inspired stress test? Would any of the BOB testers etc care to comment? Myn are you saying that the are the biggest ggroup of popsocking ***s of the game? why i never
Adamantium Beams Section XIII	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:20:00 - [52] Originally by: Shamen Well most people are forgetting the fact BoB are jumping in to systems with camps setup already. They are jumping into jammed systems with enemy caps already in the system... and are pretty much equal on loss/kill which is very impressive... Jumping in is so 2007
Leeme Lone Gallente x13 X13 Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:22:00 - [53] keep posting goons, your crying is great entertainment, just remember to make a new thread when you broke the forum rules and locks this one :)
Will Hunter GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:26:00 - [54] Originally by: Leeme Lone keep posting goons, your crying is great entertainment, just remember to make a new thread when you broke the forum rules and locks this one :) heah look at them puppets dancing
Kaaii Caldari PixelJuice Design Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:27:00 - [55] Its like when you are choosing up teams in the pickup game, and goons are the last ones picked to round out the team.. c/d? According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:34:00 - [56] It's like in funny games (the movie) when there's that nice family happy at home and then 2 exquisite well-mannered dudes get in their house and kill them after a lot of suffering, the nice guys are the goons and pets are the once-happy family. -clp
Kaaii Caldari PixelJuice Design Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:42:00 - [57] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus It's like in funny games (the movie) when there's that nice family happy at home and then 2 exquisite well-mannered dudes get in their house and kill them after a lot of suffering, the nice guys are the goons and pets are the once-happy family. I think you are mistaking that with final fantasy... According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
Lord Mephisto	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:48:00 - [58] Originally by: Kaaii Originally by: Cippalippus Primus It's like in funny games (the movie) when there's that nice family happy at home and then 2 exquisite well-mannered dudes get in their house and kill them after a lot of suffering, the nice guys are the goons and pets are the once-happy family. I think you are mistaking that with final fantasy... perhaps scorn memories from childhood
Jinshu German Kings Majesta Empire	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:57:00 - [59] I'm not sure if posting here really is worth any time investment at all, but i shall try to put some real thought into this thread: Let me quote the goals mentioned earlier in the thread: "FYI: "At the barbecue Mr. Molen unveiled a new strategy called Max, for Maximum Damage. While most Eve campaigns center on taking and controlling regions of space, BOB’s new Maximum Damage doctrine focuses on simply pillaging and destroying the territories of others. “Our goal is to control all of Eve,” Mr. Molen said in an interview over an Internet voice chat program. “It’s totally impossible to claim all of Eve physically. But it’s possible to control the people. It’s possible to control the alliances, be it by economic means or fighting means or political means. That was the goal and that is the goal.”" So what would it take to succeed for BoB ? We know that BoB has some massive economic power in eve with that beeing said, they are able to replace resources much easier than a lot of the weaker alliances holding space in eve. Thus even in a long standstill type war - with equal losses they would eventually take the lead and win. However with the current system favouring the defenders due to cynojammed systems it requires much more than a little bit of financial advantage. But if BoBs homesystems are ineed safe - bringing war to the opponents disturbs logistics and economy there, so if played right against a weaker opponent even this defender advantage won't be enough. Once succeeded it takes quite a minimal efford to keep all the defeated alliances weak due to a regulary visit from a massive superior fleet. Thus taking control of the eve universe to some extend. However this equation has a fair bit of variables: - if enough alliances band together against BoB the advantage in members and power diminishes Since it is actually BoB even people that do not get along that well normaly will eventually unite to face that invader. And if it is only to put them into place after making so bold anouncements. - Even with superior finances and economy and logistics - loosing figths in an epic unfavourable proportion like in JU yesterday more often will hurt even BoB over time - so they should watch out for that. - It is true, that BoBs Cap Fleet is unrivaled - however in nowadays times of cynojammers "their numbers will count for nothing" to quote 300" - on the other side why should anyone want to attack that cap fleet anyway - so it will often really be only a big logistic support fleet. - If it goes on long enough some crazy people might actually band together to attack BoBs homespace again - no matter how easy logistics might have become - it takes time and effort - how often do you think will your highly motivated players want to jump/ travel and organize for hours and hours if it reaches a threshold - it will become anoying and demotivating. Of course MAXimum Waiting has only begun now - so it is true that only time will tell. However we allready see the effects. The whole NC stands more or less on the frontline in deklein right from the start - i see razor, mm, mh, iron, pure and more in the fleets and waiting - so no easy take out of the alliances one by one. And so far as stated all on the forums - there have been some decisive fleetbattles in favour of the NC and as people said allready - a lot of pilots are looking forward for some action up here. The question is - how long will the rest of the Eve Universe and the 0.0 alliances watch the events without taking actions for either side or trying to make profit out of this war and BoB being far frome home. Or to quote the Movie "Wanted": What the **** have you been doing lately ? The Game cannot be won, only played.
Wilko1776 Minmatar An Eye For An Eye Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:58:00 - [60] replying to post, did not read



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