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Jeffreyham
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Posted - 2008.07.11 06:30:00 -
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 Originally by: DaveJ777
It's amazing that out of all the CCP posts, none of them actually answer the question of WHY it is down.
No new patches are being installed, it just seems like the 1 hour downtime turns into 10 hour downtime every single day out of laziness.
If this is not the case, please explain.
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Kil'Roy
Minmatar
The Rat Patrol
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Posted - 2008.07.11 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: DaveJ777
It's amazing that out of all the CCP posts, none of them actually answer the question of WHY it is down.
No new patches are being installed, it just seems like the 1 hour downtime turns into 10 hour downtime every single day out of laziness.
If this is not the case, please explain.
You assume that they need to explain, and by the question, you must be a noobie when it comes to the test server. This happens frequently, but not consistenly. Sometimes they post a reason, sometimes they don't.
They have always held that they will try to have Sisi up as much as possible, but it is by no means, maintained anyway near Tranq.
If someone forgot to push the button before they went home for the Day, too bad. Quit your crying and get over it.
You act as if you are paying for this service, you're not. You are paying for Tranq, only.
Give someone a little, and they feel they are entitled to a whole lot more. 
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CCP Sputnik
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Posted - 2008.07.11 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: DaveJ777
It's amazing that out of all the CCP posts, none of them actually answer the question of WHY it is down.
No new patches are being installed, it just seems like the 1 hour downtime turns into 10 hour downtime every single day out of laziness.
If this is not the case, please explain.
There are hundreds of different reasons why the testserver is down over a longer time, starting with simple internal tests or the hardware gets assigned to an other server to run a test etc. (no I don't give you a full list). What I can tell you is that we try to have a much as possible up time, because we appreciated if players spend their time on the test server and help us with the testing.
or in Kil'Roy words:
Originally by: Kil'Roy
You assume that they need to explain, and by the question, you must be a noobie when it comes to the test server. This happens frequently, but not consistenly. Sometimes they post a reason, sometimes they don't.
They have always held that they will try to have Sisi up as much as possible, but it is by no means, maintained anyway near Tranq.
If someone forgot to push the button before they went home for the Day, too bad. Quit your crying and get over it.
and now to you MR. Stormrider ;)
Originally by: Chris Stormrider
ANYWAY, this is in no way personal I'm just another guy, my main protest is that this started as a "what's with the test server" into a completely different thing, maybe because ccp knows there's nothing wrong with the test server, but before letting the rest of us know (those with the question in mind) went into a "if you don't like it, can I have your stuff" topic. So, no you can't have my stuff.
No I don't want to have your stuff and this post went in my eyes from a troll to a "ups ccp answers we all have to post here and don't read what actually happened in this thread" - and the best proof for this is you, 3 post before you realized that the answer you searched for was already in the 2nd post of the thread... cmon guys please read first, I have no problem to explain things to you guys but dont start trolling if you missed to read whats actually going on. (I know its nice to post into a blue marked thread but I'm so sick to defend every word I say on the forums.)
But enough of this, you are right the information policy for the testserver the same like for TQ, but does it has to be? Isn't it more important to have the best service possible for the liveserver? And if you really want to get into bughunting etc. :
Originally by: Batolemaeus
Dude. There is an irc channel where the cool Bughunters and cool players hang out, and where you can always ask both expreienced players, bughunters and devs.
and here is even more information
If you want to troll please don't post - if you have a question go on I see if I can answer it.
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Chris Stormrider
Gallente
IDEON ANDRON
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Posted - 2008.07.12 00:48:00 -
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Well, I guess if you want to help with bug hunting etc. you have to look all over for relevant information etc. at least if you want to be any good (or helpful) at it. Still, the info that a third party provides should've been available from ccp, so directly:
-do you intend to have a server status feature on your website and a server version on your client?
-Will you fix the version 0 on your website where it links to a patch for SiSi? Is it just a temporary thing until a soon-to-come TQ-to-SiSi patch arrives sooner or later? (maybe you could devise another way to handle the case when the test server has the same version as TQ and no patch is needed)
-Do you agree that all this can be misleading at times, including the failed patch from my ?version to the current one (which caused all the problems)
From all this you choose to only see what you like and call me whatever. At least I have the right attitude and admit it, where I was wrong. So if anyone is trolling around here you know it's you.
My bug hunting knowledge or skill is worse than the next guy's, so what? Or maybe you like working at CCP so much you try to give them more credit than is due. In any case, you're right, I'm wrong, end of story.
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Wen Jaibao
Soul Ripper Consortium
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Posted - 2008.07.12 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: jefftradealt
BAWWW I CANT HAVE FREE PVP IN THE FFA BAWWW
 Fixed.
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Ronana
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Posted - 2008.07.12 03:14:00 -
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Edited by: Ronana on 12/07/2008 03:14:20
CCP Sputnik shouldn't you be working on something else? Waving the Pwn3d St1ck must be getting tiring 
So you guys are using the hardware to run other tests? We don't mind, just simply tell us. This whole 'argh wtf? /sob' mess would have been avoided if one of you guys would have taken 5 minutes to make a thread in here saying the Test Server will be off for a short/long amount of time. Lock the thread and voila done.
A lot of us will be much appreciated if we weren't treated like little kids and/or shit. I know things are done differently in Iceland, but I would expect a certain amount of manners (and at least proper business ethics) from everyone, regardless of country, race or gender.
Have a nice weekend and thanks for the information
Edit: I would post with my main but i would have to eliminate you 
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Conq Er
Sweetrock Mining
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Posted - 2008.07.12 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Arous Drephius
Owned by CCP.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.07.12 18:30:00 -
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Good, finally some right words from CCP.
Those stupid trolls should stay at CAOD with their crap and don't fill the other forums with their **** behaviour.
Sputnik's explanation of the 5 different test server conditions and what they mean and how to handle them were good words.
And well, if not everyone writes bug reports maybe it means they didn't find any bugs 
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War Porcika
Serenity and Hungarian Operational Team
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Posted - 2008.07.12 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sputnik
and here is even more information
I was wondering, why is this topic not pinned... 
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Feng Schui
Minmatar
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.07.13 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sputnik
I'm kind of disappointed jefftradealt, for somebody who obviously needs the service we provide with our Test Server you haven't created even one bug report.
And please have the guts to post with your main if you want to troll. 
pwnt by the dev's.
oh, and why isn't test server up
Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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CCP Sputnik
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Posted - 2008.07.14 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Chris Stormrider
Well, I guess if you want to help with bug hunting etc. you have to look all over for relevant information etc. at least if you want to be any good (or helpful) at it.
Its not about reading everything its about starting to search for it and now I show you why I tell you that.
Originally by: Chris Stormrider
Still, the info that a third party provides should've been available from ccp, so directly:
-do you intend to have a server status feature on your website and a server version on your client?
-Will you fix the version 0 on your website where it links to a patch for SiSi? Is it just a temporary thing until a soon-to-come TQ-to-SiSi patch arrives sooner or later? (maybe you could devise another way to handle the case when the test server has the same version as TQ and no patch is needed)
-Do you agree that all this can be misleading at times, including the failed patch from my ?version to the current one (which caused all the problems)
1. ... where do you think the 3rd party pages get there information from? easiest method to find out the status of the test server and more information if its down is the IRC chat channel #eve-chaos there are a lot of devs, bughunters and testserver veterans in this channel and a simple .sisi typed into this channel is telling you the status and version number of sisi.
2. Yes most likely because it's working for me, maybe I have just looked at the wrong place, but did you write a bug report for it? If yes could you tell me the number if not just check again please and create one.
3. Yes the test server is not as easy to use as the live server and yes you need some additional knowledge to use it, but its so much easier atm than a year ago I basically had to copy my client every time there was a patch not to mention that the automated patching for SISI was introduced since then and yes we will work on it and there will be more information and easier access but it will take its time.
Originally by: Chris Stormrider
From all this you choose to only see what you like and call me whatever. At least I have the right attitude and admit it, where I was wrong. So if anyone is trolling around here you know it's you.
I checked, I didn't call you anything - especially not trolling (I called Jeffreyham's post a troll) - I'm sorry if you think I was to harsh with you but this thread started as a troll do you really think you would get a nice dev conversation in here? and as far as I can see I answered all your questions until now, so just ignore the dev forum speeches and take out of here what you can get.
Originally by: Chris Stormrider
My bug hunting knowledge or skill is worse than the next guy's, so what? Or maybe you like working at CCP so much you try to give them more credit than is due. In any case, you're right, I'm wrong, end of story.
Yes I like to work for CCP and yes not everything is gold if its shiny but cmon get some backbone I just expected more of somebody who can write intelligent forum post like you all the information I've showed you are somewhere hidden in the stickies and additionally the guys at #eve-chaos can help out and yes I try to be there as often as possible and I hereby invite you for a little chat in eve-chaos (I'll maybe need a while to respond but I will no worries).
Originally by: Ronana
CCP Sputnik shouldn't you be working on something else? Waving the Pwn3d St1ck must be getting tiring
Yes I do, had a lot of meetings before the weekend and wanted to use the time between to do some community work ... yeah ended up a little bit messy I know, but at least I've shared additionally a lot of information with you and yes I'll get my Prism Forum Squad membership soon 
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