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Bambi Existentialist Collective	Posted - 2008.07.04 23:52:00 - [1] Anyone had this e-mail? WAR IS UPON US! >>> EMERGENCY ACTION MESSAGE <<< SENDER: CONCORD DIRECT ENFORCEMENT DIVISION GENERAL BROADCAST MESSAGE READS: TO ALL PILOTS: CONCORD HAS RECEIVED AUTHENTICATED COMMUNICATIONS FROM AMARR EMPIRE, CALDARI STATE, GALLENTE FEDERATION AND MINMATAR REPUBLIC MILITARY REPRESENTATIVES CONFIRMING THAT A STATE OF WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED WITHIN THE NEW EDEN CLUSTER. DIRECT ENFORCEMENT DIVISION ASSETS HAVE BEEN REDEPLOYED TO PROTECT CONCORD FACILITIES. PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY FOR IN-SYSTEM PROTECTION OF NEUTRALS AND EMPIRE NATIONALS HAS SHIFTED TO LOCAL MILITARY AUTHORITIES. CONCORD CANNOT ASSURE THE SAFETY OR SECURITY OF ANY SHIP IN TRANSIT AT THIS TIME. PERSONAL MESSAGE FROM CONCORD DIRECTORATE: DIPLOMACY HAS FAILED. OUR PRAYERS ARE WITH YOU ALL. >>> MESSAGE ENDS <<< - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - With the launch of Empyrean Age, the newest expansion for EVE Online, pilots can now engage in solo, small group or even fleet battles any time you want via a new feature called Factional Warfare. Players have asked for easier, more accessible PvP fights and to have the ability to find friends to fight with without making the commitment to 0.0 space and Alliances. CCP has answered with Factional Warfare - war is upon New Eden and your help is needed. Enlist today and add 14 free days to your account. http://cp20.com/Tracking/*********** Log in, and see what you've been missing. Players can now enlist in any of the four empire militias, granting access to special missions into contested space and epic PvP action where you can engage in combat against opposing militia forces in high security space - without CONCORD interference. Each combat zone is full of missions built for new and veteran players alike - including those accessible only to pilots in inexpensive frigates. Enlisted pilots will also be able to fight for the control of entire star systems in designated combat zones. Militias battle over control bunkers in each zone which can help direct that system's defenses. Capturing and controlling these systems is critical to determining who will win and who will lose in the war raging across New Eden. We want you back. If you left EVE Online because you found it difficult to find PvP action, we are confident Factional Warfare solves that problem. If you haven't played EVE Online recently you will also be surprised by the incredible new graphics released last year in the Trinity expansion as well. Offer valid until July 31st, 2008. If user converts their Trial account into a Paid Subscription, payment options include a valid credit card, debit card or direct debit. This email was sent to: ###### You received this e-mail because you are or have been a subscriber of EVE Online. If you have questions about the contents of this e-mail, please contact Customer Service at support@eve-online.com. If you wish to stop receiving future mailings from EVE online then please follow this link: http://cp20.com/Tracking/t.fo?1****** Powered by CampaignerPro. http://www.campaigner.com/campaignerpro/?visitor_id=2 EVE is dead, long live EVE!
Vala Darkside Gallente	Posted - 2008.07.04 23:59:00 - [2] Yes, I got it, too. I petitioned it and it turns out it is an official mail from CCP. Hope that helps, Vala D. --------
Vala Draaken Madhatters Inc. Pure.	Posted - 2008.07.05 00:01:00 - [3] oops, That was my alt --------
Vala Draaken Madhatters Inc. Pure.	Posted - 2008.07.05 00:06:00 - [4] Finnally found the other thread. Official statement Hope that helps, Vala D. --------
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.05 06:39:00 - [5] Why cant CCP use their own domains for sending email... handling petitions because of this seems to be a bad way to use resources. --- Its dead, Jim.
Raymon James Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.07.05 07:40:00 - [6] Originally by: Jim McGregor Why cant CCP use their own domains for sending email... handling petitions because of this seems to be a bad way to use resources. because frankly at times their total idiots. Its the only logical reason I can think of!
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.05 07:47:00 - [7] Originally by: Raymon James Originally by: Jim McGregor Why cant CCP use their own domains for sending email... handling petitions because of this seems to be a bad way to use resources. because frankly at times their total idiots. Its the only logical reason I can think of! I concur. They can do some really great things, but then they seem to feel that they must balance those out with the most ridiculous possible choices in others. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
Karanth Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.05 08:26:00 - [8] Can't read any other threads before poasting spam WTF!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.05 08:29:00 - [9] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 05/07/2008 08:30:42 Originally by: Raymon James Originally by: Jim McGregor Why cant CCP use their own domains for sending email... handling petitions because of this seems to be a bad way to use resources. because frankly at times their total idiots. Its the only logical reason I can think of! No, I think they have their reasons. It would help me understand why they do this by finding out what those reasons are. :) --- Its dead, Jim.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.07.05 09:33:00 - [10] Originally by: Jim McGregor No, I think they have their reasons. It would help me understand why they do this by finding out what those reasons are. :) Maybe it is less laggy for Eve if they send mails on different servers? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Go vote! Put voice for silent majority. LOVE PVP, HATE grief

ElrondMD The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.07.05 11:17:00 - [11] There is not a single good reason to have subscribers come to accept unknown senders as CCP mails, its unprofessional and opens the end user to risks associated with copycat fakes.
Viqtoria Caldari Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.07.05 11:18:00 - [12] Originally by: ElrondMD There is not a single good reason to have subscribers come to accept unknown senders as CCP mails, its unprofessional and opens the end user to risks associated with copycat fakes. this TBFH
Dihania Gallente Mucho Dolor	Posted - 2008.07.05 11:23:00 - [13] Originally by: Viqtoria Originally by: ElrondMD There is not a single good reason to have subscribers come to accept unknown senders as CCP mails, its unprofessional and opens the end user to risks associated with copycat fakes. this TBFH I didn't send those cp111oneeleven.com mails... I swear! Bad practice is bad . EVE: "The Hand-holding Age". I need isk!Accepting donations. Renting sig space.Taking various jobs.
Rhak Amharr Minmatar Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.07.05 11:30:00 - [14] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Jim McGregor No, I think they have their reasons. It would help me understand why they do this by finding out what those reasons are. :) Maybe it is less laggy for Eve if they send mails on different servers? Ok, who are you, and why did you hack Jenny's account?
Daelorn Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.05 11:40:00 - [15] Originally by: Rhak Amharr Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Jim McGregor No, I think they have their reasons. It would help me understand why they do this by finding out what those reasons are. :) Maybe it is less laggy for Eve if they send mails on different servers? Ok, who are you, and why did you hack Jenny's account? or are we on a new Jenny?
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.05 11:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Rhak Amharr Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Jim McGregor No, I think they have their reasons. It would help me understand why they do this by finding out what those reasons are. :) Maybe it is less laggy for Eve if they send mails on different servers? Ok, who are you, and why did you hack Jenny's account? She gets around. :) I think several people use that account. --- Its dead, Jim.

CCP RyanD Caldari C C P	Posted - 2008.07.05 17:41:00 - [17] There was an error with our bulk mail service provider. The mail was not sent as tested. It should have had a more correct email address than the one that appears in the email that was transmitted. We apologize for the confusion and we are taking steps to address the issue internally and with our service provider. For the curious, we use a 3rd party service to send bulk emails for a number of reasons but the biggest reason is spamfilters. Many ISPs are on hairtrigger response for spam and a series of protocols are evolving to help legitimate bulk email navigate those filters. CCP is not in a position to spend the time to become masters of this arcane art, so we rely on a 3rd party to do it for us. Our service providers are also able to track and measure the effectiveness of the email campaigns in complex and delightful ways and it would be hard and expensive for CCP to build its own parallel technology to do that. I hope that provides some illumination. RyanD

Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.05 18:27:00 - [18] Thanks Ryan. Makes sense. --- Its dead, Jim.
Winterblink Body Count Inc. The Requiem	Posted - 2008.07.05 18:41:00 - [19] Originally by: CCP RyanD For the curious, we use a 3rd party service to send bulk emails for a number of reasons but the biggest reason is spamfilters. Many ISPs are on hairtrigger response for spam and a series of protocols are evolving to help legitimate bulk email navigate those filters. CCP is not in a position to spend the time to become masters of this arcane art, so we rely on a 3rd party to do it for us. Our service providers are also able to track and measure the effectiveness of the email campaigns in complex and delightful ways and it would be hard and expensive for CCP to build its own parallel technology to do that. Sounds like a black hat turns white phenomenon, not entirely unlike virus writers moving into computer security. I'd be willing to bet you the most expensive ship in Jim's collection that part or all of the organization in question started out trying to "navigate" those filters to sell erection dysfunction medication and fake Rolex watches. Then again that domain is based in Montreal, so I should probably thank CCP for their donations to the Canadian information technology sector. :) warp drive active \| nature vraie
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.05 18:52:00 - [20] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 05/07/2008 18:52:21 Originally by: Winterblink Sounds like a black hat turns white phenomenon, not entirely unlike virus writers moving into computer security. I'd be willing to bet you the most expensive ship in Jim's collection that part or all of the organization in question started out trying to "navigate" those filters to sell erection dysfunction medication and fake Rolex watches. Your mind takes me places I dont want to go. --- Its dead, Jim.

Thorradin State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.05 21:25:00 - [21] Originally by: Raymon James Originally by: Jim McGregor Why cant CCP use their own domains for sending email... handling petitions because of this seems to be a bad way to use resources. because frankly at times their total idiots. Its the only logical reason I can think of!
Chum Tea Janitors of the Empire Utterly Harmless	Posted - 2008.07.05 21:33:00 - [22] Originally by: CCP RyanD spamfilters That's where I found my copy. Left it there, too. Seems that bulk mail service provider hasn't mastered the arcane art, yet, after all.
Complete Tart	Posted - 2008.07.05 21:35:00 - [23] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Jim McGregor No, I think they have their reasons. It would help me understand why they do this by finding out what those reasons are. :) Maybe it is less laggy for Eve if they send mails on different servers? Why are you typing normally today??
Raymon James Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.07.05 23:51:00 - [24] Edited by: Raymon James on 05/07/2008 23:51:51 Originally by: CCP RyanD There was an error with our bulk mail service provider. The mail was not sent as tested. It should have had a more correct email address than the one that appears in the email that was transmitted. We apologize for the confusion and we are taking steps to address the issue internally and with our service provider. For the curious, we use a 3rd party service to send bulk emails for a number of reasons but the biggest reason is spamfilters. Many ISPs are on hairtrigger response for spam and a series of protocols are evolving to help legitimate bulk email navigate those filters. CCP is not in a position to spend the time to become masters of this arcane art, so we rely on a 3rd party to do it for us. Our service providers are also able to track and measure the effectiveness of the email campaigns in complex and delightful ways and it would be hard and expensive for CCP to build its own parallel technology to do that. I hope that provides some illumination. RyanD your "expert third party" is on Yahoos email blacklist for spamming though, . . . . . . otherwise this email would have never landed in my spam box
Fastercart Gallente Ihatalo Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.07.06 00:50:00 - [25] Originally by: Raymon James Edited by: Raymon James on 05/07/2008 23:51:51 Originally by: CCP RyanD There was an error with our bulk mail service provider. The mail was not sent as tested. It should have had a more correct email address than the one that appears in the email that was transmitted. We apologize for the confusion and we are taking steps to address the issue internally and with our service provider your "expert third party" is on Yahoos email blacklist for spamming though, . . . . . . otherwise this email would have never landed in my spam box I bolded the explanation. __ Rorqual AKA Mega Maid Oh, my God. It's Mega Maid. She's gone from suck to blow.
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.07.06 04:48:00 - [26] Originally by: Raymon James RyanD your "expert third party" is on Yahoos email blacklist for spamming though, . . . . . . otherwise this email would have never landed in my spam box Another reason why they don't use their own domain. Can you imagine if eve-online.com ended up on a heap of blacklists ? It might prevent some of the emails necessary for day to day running of the business from reaching their targets ;) I've had to send out just 30-50 emails before, and I know the hassle that it causes, the amount of time and effort using someone else saves means their programmers can get back to fixing the bugs.
Raymon James Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.07.06 06:56:00 - [27] Edited by: Raymon James on 06/07/2008 06:56:39 Originally by: Fastercart Originally by: Raymon James Edited by: Raymon James on 05/07/2008 23:51:51 Originally by: CCP RyanD your "expert third party" is on Yahoos email blacklist for spamming though, . . . . . . otherwise this email would have never landed in my spam box I bolded the explanation. I saw that Re read my Explination again. the company they are useing is on a Global blacklist for hosting spam. anything comeing from their "address" or even from their dedicated IP address will automaticaly be chucked into everyones spam list. theirfor CCP decided to pay some third party (CP20 in this case) who is a known and blacklisted spammer to send out the Emails for them in order to get past everyones spam protection. . . . in other words, THEY GAVE YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS TO A KNOWN SPAMER WORSE THEY PAYED THEM TO TAKE THE EMAIL ADDRESSES FROM THEM DO I REALY NEED TO SPELL OUT JUST HOW !@#$ STUPIDO CCP WAS IN DOING SO?
Robert Rosenberg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.07.06 07:14:00 - [28] Originally by: Raymon James Edited by: Raymon James on 06/07/2008 06:56:39 Originally by: Fastercart Originally by: Raymon James Edited by: Raymon James on 05/07/2008 23:51:51 Originally by: CCP RyanD your "expert third party" is on Yahoos email blacklist for spamming though, . . . . . . otherwise this email would have never landed in my spam box I bolded the explanation. I saw that Re read my Explination again. the company they are useing is on a Global blacklist for hosting spam. anything comeing from their "address" or even from their dedicated IP address will automaticaly be chucked into everyones spam list. theirfor CCP decided to pay some third party (CP20 in this case) who is a known and blacklisted spammer to send out the Emails for them in order to get past everyones spam protection. . . . in other words, THEY GAVE YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS TO A KNOWN SPAMER WORSE THEY PAYED THEM TO TAKE THE EMAIL ADDRESSES FROM THEM DO I REALY NEED TO SPELL OUT JUST HOW !@#$ STUPIDO CCP WAS IN DOING SO? You should probably use two e-mail addresses then huh, one to sign up for things and one for personal correspondence that does not get spammed. Gmail is free so no need to get outraged yo.
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.07.06 07:14:00 - [29] Originally by: Raymon James THEY GAVE YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS TO A KNOWN SPAMER WORSE THEY PAYED THEM TO TAKE THE EMAIL ADDRESSES FROM THEM DO I REALY NEED TO SPELL OUT JUST HOW !@#$ STUPIDO CCP WAS IN DOING SO? Being on a Spam blacklist doesn't make you a spammer. It means you've been flagged for sending bulk emails. In this case those emails were all sent to people that subscribed to eve, and gave up their email with the indication it would only be used for eve-related mailings, like this one (not third party advertising/spam). PLENTY of companies send out solicited email like this and make it onto spam blacklists. This DOESN'T !!! mean that they share your email with other people that will send you SPAM !!!!!!!!!!! The reason they make it onto spam lists is one of two reasons: a) an automated system picks up that a large number of mails is sent and so it is possible that it is spam b) someone marks it as spam rather than removing themself from the mailing list That doesn't mean that it is actually SPAM. I go through my junk mailbox and regularly pull out mail that is marked as spam but I am genuinely interested in, from people I gave my email to just so they could send me exactly that. This is worlds apart from real SPAM which is people you never gave your email to sending you mails you don't want.
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.07.06 07:16:00 - [30] Originally by: ElrondMD There is not a single good reason to have subscribers come to accept unknown senders as CCP mails, its unprofessional and opens the end user to risks associated with copycat fakes. There are plenty of good reasons, but the rest of your point stands, especially with a mail that takes you to the login page.

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