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Naz Chgani
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:17:00 -
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What would you say would be the most popular cap ship?
For our purposes, consider "most popular" to mean most in demand -- i.e., easiest to sell on contract. Exclude titans.
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Gneeznow
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:18:00 -
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probably thanatos
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Naz Chgani
What would you say would be the most popular cap ship?
Obelisk.
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DubanFP
Four Rings
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Gneeznow
probably thanatos
Ignoring frieghters.
Thanatos
Chimera
Phoenix
Moros
Roughly in that order. I'm sure the Amarr cap ships aren't too far behind. Don't bother with minmitar caps.
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SickSeven
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
Originally by: Gneeznow
probably thanatos
Ignoring frieghters.
Thanatos
Chimera
Phoenix
Moros
Roughly in that order. I'm sure the Amarr cap ships aren't too far behind. Don't bother with minmitar caps.
I've been doing a lot of reading on capital ships and mainly dreads lately and your view seems to reflect that of the masses. Everyone who says anything about cap ships seems to put Minmatar Caps at the very bottom of the list or just comes right out and says they "SUCK". Do minmatar Cap ships need a re-evaluation? And why is the Nag the only dread with a split weapon layout? It's like the bigger version of a Phoon, super skill intensive.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: SickSeven
Originally by: DubanFP
Originally by: Gneeznow
probably thanatos
Ignoring frieghters.
Thanatos
Chimera
Phoenix
Moros
Roughly in that order. I'm sure the Amarr cap ships aren't too far behind. Don't bother with minmitar caps.
I've been doing a lot of reading on capital ships and mainly dreads lately and your view seems to reflect that of the masses. Everyone who says anything about cap ships seems to put Minmatar Caps at the very bottom of the list or just comes right out and says they "SUCK". Do minmatar Cap ships need a re-evaluation? And why is the Nag the only dread with a split weapon layout? It's like the bigger version of a Phoon, super skill intensive.
It's also the dread that deals most damage. I'd consider the carriers the best ones around. Thanatos probably the poorest. Then again, it comes down to what you're going to use them for - as always.
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SickSeven
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
It's also the dread that deals most damage. I'd consider the carriers the best ones around. Thanatos probably the poorest. Then again, it comes down to what you're going to use them for - as always.
Could you gives reasons on why you think Minny carriers are the best? Because you seem to be going against the masses.
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ssbn732
Soldiers of Misfortune
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
It's also the dread that deals most damage. I'd consider the carriers the best ones around. Thanatos probably the poorest. Then again, it comes down to what you're going to use them for - as always.
Agreed, I was planning on getting a carrier some day, I too would love to know why you peronaly think we have the best CVs.
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AstroPhobic
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
It's also the dread that deals most damage. I'd consider the carriers the best ones around.
You're severely mistaken. Nag does the least amount of damage, while sporting the worst tank. I don't have the numbers with me to prove it, so I'll ask someone else to step up and deliver them - I'm sure I've seen them before. The Niddy is okay at what it does, but it's certainly the least popular. Not sure about you, but it's kind of iffy spending 1-2b on a ship that is primaried for having the worst tank (both the dread and carrier, that is).
They (along with the battleships, or projectiles in general) need a hard look at.
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Valandril
Exiled.
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Naz Chgani
What would you say would be the most popular cap ship?
For our purposes, consider "most popular" to mean most in demand -- i.e., easiest to sell on contract. Exclude titans.
That sir would be a templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
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Artemis Rose
Eleckrostatik
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: SickSeven
Originally by: NoNah
It's also the dread that deals most damage. I'd consider the carriers the best ones around. Thanatos probably the poorest. Then again, it comes down to what you're going to use them for - as always.
Could you gives reasons on why you think Minny carriers are the best? Because you seem to be going against the masses.
Lets see. As a carrier pilot would I rather a) tank b) remote rep c) only provide damage bonus to fighters directly under my control?
I don't know...?
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SickSeven
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Posted - 2008.06.24 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: NoNah
It's also the dread that deals most damage. I'd consider the carriers the best ones around.
You're severely mistaken. Nag does the least amount of damage, while sporting the worst tank. I don't have the numbers with me to prove it, so I'll ask someone else to step up and deliver them - I'm sure I've seen them before. The Niddy is okay at what it does, but it's certainly the least popular. Not sure about you, but it's kind of iffy spending 1-2b on a ship that is primaried for having the worst tank (both the dread and carrier, that is).
They (along with the battleships, or projectiles in general) need a hard look at.
****ing forums keeps eating my posts. Basically I did some down and dirty setups for all dreads in EFT and the Nag is outclassed in offense and defense and I even had armor rigs on my two Nag setups and no rigs on the others. Pretty sad.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.24 00:56:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 24/06/2008 00:57:18
Originally by: NoNah
It's also the dread that deals most damage. I'd consider the carriers the best ones around. Thanatos probably the poorest. Then again, it comes down to what you're going to use them for - as always.
TBFH, the Nag only deals the most damage in the "paper tank" situation. Experienced FCs will tell you that they'll primary a full HP nag over a quarter-half shield Phoenix (for example)... what's more, is that they come out with a nag kill before they could have gotten close to the Phoenix kill.
This is the reason that most nag pilots will full tank their dread - so that it has some survivability beyond the first round of primary calling. See, you might think something foolish like "They're primarying it because it does alot of damage!", while nothing could be further from the truth.
They primary it because it has no tank to speak of in any realistic configuration. No, the Nag is not a great dread unless you know for sure that it's never going into combat. If you're not taking it into combat... why get a dread?
As for the Niddy... that repping bonus is super useful if you plan to rep pos's all night. For all other purposes, get another ship.
Note that I could be jaded. :P
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Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.24 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Edited by: Liang Nuren on 24/06/2008 00:57:18
Originally by: NoNah
It's also the dread that deals most damage. I'd consider the carriers the best ones around. Thanatos probably the poorest. Then again, it comes down to what you're going to use them for - as always.
TBFH, the Nag only deals the most damage in the "paper tank" situation. Experienced FCs will tell you that they'll primary a full HP nag over a quarter-half shield Phoenix (for example)... what's more, is that they come out with a nag kill before they could have gotten close to the Phoenix kill.
This is the reason that most nag pilots will full tank their dread - so that it has some survivability beyond the first round of primary calling. See, you might think something foolish like "They're primarying it because it does alot of damage!", while nothing could be further from the truth.
They primary it because it has no tank to speak of in any realistic configuration. No, the Nag is not a great dread unless you know for sure that it's never going into combat. If you're not taking it into combat... why get a dread?
As for the Niddy... that repping bonus is super useful if you plan to rep pos's all night. For all other purposes, get another ship.
Note that I could be jaded. :P
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Remote rep is also useful for a spider tank setup.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.24 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Remote rep is also useful for a spider tank setup.
It's true, but I'd say that higher resists is more important than slightly more repping power in a RR setup.
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.24 02:01:00 -
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The reason the Thanatos is popular is because it has both a remote armor and remote shield transfer range bonus while sporting a decent tank of its own. The fighter bonus is nice too if you are in a situation to use it.
The Archon sports the best T2 tank and has an armor rep transfer range bonus which makes it the best for fleet support.
The Chimera has the best tank if you are willing to invest twice the price of the ship (or more) into its tank. The shield transfer is nice for POS repping, but otherwise its not that hot.
The Nid is the best repper - with the same repper config as the thanatos, but its tank is lacking and its only really great when in a carrier RR setup. Saddly, a few rooks puts an end to that.
As for dreads, the Rev is the best hands down - lag immune wepons (no reload), availability of XL faction crystals, and a very nice tank means its the best for POS seiging hands down. The Pheonix has issues because citadel torps are pretty craptastic. The Moros is really good actually because T2 sentries are so great. The Nag is just crap because it has practially no tank and its split wepons system is just a crutch. I belive the Insurge math says the Rev does 72% more dps then the Neg (thats the highest to lowest) - thats massive even if its half that.
So when it comes to capitals - its really either Amarr (which has such a great fleet ship) for the specilized tank/rep/gank setups possible. Or you go for the Gallente for their POS logisitcs use and sentries on the Moros for anti-support work.
I personally think its worth the extra time to train for either of these two races if you are serious about capitals.
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Posted - 2008.06.24 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky
The reason the Thanatos is popular is because it has both a remote armor and remote shield transfer range bonus while sporting a decent tank of its own. The fighter bonus is nice too if you are in a situation to use it.
The Archon sports the best T2 tank and has an armor rep transfer range bonus which makes it the best for fleet support.
The Chimera has the best tank if you are willing to invest twice the price of the ship (or more) into its tank. The shield transfer is nice for POS repping, but otherwise its not that hot.
The Nid is the best repper - with the same repper config as the thanatos, but its tank is lacking and its only really great when in a carrier RR setup. Saddly, a few rooks puts an end to that.
As for dreads, the Rev is the best hands down - lag immune wepons (no reload), availability of XL faction crystals, and a very nice tank means its the best for POS seiging hands down. The Pheonix has issues because citadel torps are pretty craptastic. The Moros is really good actually because T2 sentries are so great. The Nag is just crap because it has practially no tank and its split wepons system is just a crutch. I belive the Insurge math says the Rev does 72% more dps then the Neg (thats the highest to lowest) - thats massive even if its half that.
So when it comes to capitals - its really either Amarr (which has such a great fleet ship) for the specilized tank/rep/gank setups possible. Or you go for the Gallente for their POS logisitcs use and sentries on the Moros for anti-support work.
I personally think its worth the extra time to train for either of these two races if you are serious about capitals.
Weird, according to the best EFTing of my ability, the Chimera has the best tank of any carrier. The Archon is a semi distant second.
Though I guess since I already have Gallente BS V, I could fly a thanatos too if it came to that.
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Bloody Rabbit
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Posted - 2008.06.24 03:55:00 -
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You all forgot that the Torps on the dreads can be shot down or Smart-bombed. That is why I won't train for the Caldari or Minmatar Dreads as their DPS can be cut off completely.
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Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.06.24 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
Weird, according to the best EFTing of my ability, the Chimera has the best tank of any carrier. The Archon is a semi distant second.
Though I guess since I already have Gallente BS V, I could fly a thanatos too if it came to that.
Did you take into account that in smaller gangs draining cap is used to take the carriers down? Just a few BS setup can drain and keep a capital drained.
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Greckor Monmouth
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.06.24 04:03:00 -
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chimera does have the best tank, but it costs slightly more, just a plain t2 tank i *believe* the archon wins by a little, not sure exactly. Both are good carriers though.
To answer OP....most popular carrier-thanny
most popular dread-rev
These are my estimated guesses
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.24 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Bloody Rabbit
You all forgot that the Torps on the dreads can be shot down or Smart-bombed. That is why I won't train for the Caldari or Minmatar Dreads as their DPS can be cut off completely.
Not only that but often the torps don't even make it to the target before its popped or incap'd. The lack of an alpha strike is crucial when you're talking about slow flight times.
In lag the ability to change damage type doesn't mean much.
So effectively torps are best against POSs.
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