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Elex Akat
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.23 12:14:00 -
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Oh and on behalf of the FDU I have a message for the Minmatar fleets. Can you please demonstrate how to capture a system? We seem to be doing everything except that.
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Daziel Iaar
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Overlord Agnew
Originally by: Daziel Iaar I'm talking about hearing you've been in space, but the only time i have heard is when you ran away from a confrontation when you outnumbered someone but still fled, that is all.
Coming from you that is almost meeningless.
Its a shame comments from stimulus members sound so much like Andreus, they are pointless and almost always been heard before.
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Kaylana Syi
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.06.23 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Daziel Iaar
Originally by: Overlord Agnew
Originally by: Daziel Iaar I'm talking about hearing you've been in space, but the only time i have heard is when you ran away from a confrontation when you outnumbered someone but still fled, that is all.
Coming from you that is almost meeningless.
Its a shame comments from stimulus members sound so much like Andreus, they are pointless and almost always been heard before.
When your cowardice shrinks back to the shadow from which your false god came from maybe your worlds will hold some substance. Even if its a mere thimbleful.
Team Minmatar
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Kage Toshimado
Kage Clan
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Posted - 2008.06.23 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Kage Toshimado on 23/06/2008 14:18:42
Originally by: Daziel Iaar
Because you're only facing pod pilots and not the full might of the Imperial Navy, you should really learn to distinguish between the two.
Because we all know what happened the last time the Amarr engaged in full fleet combat.
Vak'Atioth
Can we run for our lives now?
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 23/06/2008 14:24:20 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 23/06/2008 14:24:00
Originally by: Kage Toshimado
Because we all know what happened the last time the Amarr engaged in full fleet combat.
Vak'Atioth
Can we run for our lives now?
I'll see your Vak'Atioth (which incidentally secured the Empire from the threat of Jovian aggression), and raise you a Mekhios
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Kage Toshimado
Kage Clan
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Posted - 2008.06.23 15:04:00 -
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Daziel Iaar
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Daziel Iaar
Originally by: Overlord Agnew
Originally by: Daziel Iaar I'm talking about hearing you've been in space, but the only time i have heard is when you ran away from a confrontation when you outnumbered someone but still fled, that is all.
Coming from you that is almost meeningless.
Its a shame comments from stimulus members sound so much like Andreus, they are pointless and almost always been heard before.
When your cowardice shrinks back to the shadow from which your false god came from maybe your worlds will hold some substance. Even if its a mere thimbleful.
I would quote my original comment in answer to your comment as yet again the same applies.
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Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 15:33:00 -
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Enough of this petty bickering. ----------------------------------------------
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MirrorGod
Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.23 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Kador Enough of this petty bickering.
Does that mean you'll be undocking something larger than a punisher in the near future
Recruitment: [ANTI]
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Overlord Agnew
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.06.23 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: MirrorGod
Originally by: Gaius Kador Enough of this petty bickering.
Does that mean you'll be undocking something larger than a punisher in the near future
Unlikely.
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Shaikar
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: MirrorGod Does that mean you'll be undocking something larger than a punisher in the near future
I've been informed by one of the more avid discussion feed watchers in my household that the proper response to such deep thoughts is as follows:
"NO U"
I don't pretend to understand myself but I have a feeling that it is at about the right level.
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Zapp Brenigan
Terran Resurrection
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Posted - 2008.06.23 16:13:00 -
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So the Ushra'Khan and Electus Matari have come out for the Minmatar forces but where are the CVA? Are they to busy in free space? Have they abandoned the Amarr? Are they fighting? We haven't heard anything from them. What is their stance? The Amarr could use the backup.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Zapp Brenigan So the Ushra'Khan and Electus Matari have come out for the Minmatar forces but where are the CVA? Are they to busy in free space? Have they abandoned the Amarr? Are they fighting? We haven't heard anything from them. What is their stance? The Amarr could use the backup.
Elements of the CVA have been active in the war zone. However, as might be expected, the Minmatar propagandists have ignored their efforts.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Agustus Caesar
17th Minmatar Tactical Wing
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Posted - 2008.06.23 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Aria Jenneth Excuse me-- I know this is none of my business whatever, but, to the Amarr and Minmatar pilots, could you possibly bite back your taunts and just get on with shooting each other? Your static clogs every comms channel it appears in.
Unless, that is, you can start generating posts with some content other than venom?
This, there's plenty of other threads to chest beat in boys. ----------------------------- Naturally my views are my own as I'm not my alliance's spokesman, ect.
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Kaylana Syi
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.06.23 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Zapp Brenigan So the Ushra'Khan and Electus Matari have come out for the Minmatar forces but where are the CVA? Are they to busy in free space? Have they abandoned the Amarr? Are they fighting? We haven't heard anything from them. What is their stance? The Amarr could use the backup.
Elements of the CVA have been active in the war zone. However, as might be expected, the Minmatar propagandists have ignored their efforts.
Propaganda I tell you! Its being shot out of artillery everywhere! Propaganda the size of planetary vehicles, those that pass safety inspections at that!
Team Minmatar
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.06.23 17:24:00 -
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Well, see, here's how it is, Iaar. The only people I've been facing are the Imperial Navy, and they are so inept as to make me wonder if it would actually be more dangerous if I wasn't opposed by them. Due to communication problems earlier today, I was left in my Muninn facing a full battlegroup of them by myself because the rest of my fleet had warped out. I was unwilling to engage the whole battlegroup by myself in an untanked Muninn, but I was already engaged with an Imperial Navy Armageddon and was unwilling to leave without dropping him.
Thusly, I stayed long enough to tear him apart with my vastly superior Minmatar weaponry, and made short work of him - I'd estimate from 100% shields to 0% structure in roughly thirty seconds. So much for "superior Amarr engineering" - you'd think that damn ship was made of cold-joined ChromIts and papier mache for all the damn effort it took to cause a fatal structural integrity failure. Given that I had a whole three other battleships and five cruisers firing on me, and had no kind of shield or armour hardening or repair equipment modules, I expected that I would be in very bad shape by the time I managed to get the battleship out of the way. Not so - when I engaged my warp drive my shields were at roughly 65% from thirty seconds of sustained laser fire from four battleships and five cruisers. I warped off without any damage or aberrations in my armour or structure.
An entire battlegroup of the supposedly mighty Imperial Navy was unable to take down, seriously damage or even mildly inconvenience an unprotected Minmatar heavy assault cruiser. There was no warp disruption, no stasis webifiers, and not even a tiny hint of electronic warfare. The most I saw was a single cruiser-scale Nosferatu deployed on my ship, which didn't even have a noticeable effect. So much for the Imperial Navy. I've heard several rumours, in fact, that people have captured some Amarrian complexes without even seeing any Imperial Navy ships at all - it seems even the Navy itself is unwilling to engage the Minmatar/Gallente capsuleer force at this point.
As for the Amarrian capsuleers... well, there was a two hour patrol today, during which the most of the Amarr capsuleer force we saw was a few interceptors that ran as soon as they saw us. The only remote threat that was posed to us didn't even come from the Amarr - it was a pirate battleship with a Blackbird running EW support that briefly considered fighting us and then thought better of it and docked up. Towards the end of the operation, pilots, including myself, were leaving the fleet because we were bored.
Neither the Imperial Navy nor the Amarrian capsuleer militia seemed prepared to contest Minmatar space superiority in the area, and from what I hear it's been like this since the start of the campaign. More systems are falling and the excuses on the Amarrian side for how these losses were allowed to happen (given that you've got this mighty Imperial Navy, CVA as well elements of VV and PIE Inc. backing you up) are seeming ever more contrived and desperate.
I am on the battlefield. I've been on the battlefield, and I've been looking for trouble. Where are you? -----
CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting. |
Lazari Zarin
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Posted - 2008.06.23 17:44:00 -
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I... do not have an answer for you question... It saddens me that my BROTHERS! The CHILDREN OF GOD... do not fight... I am ready to fight... I am ready to die for my god.. UNLIKE MOST OF MY BROTHERS! So... call some of us cowardly.. not all... for I plan to come fighting and I won't stop till every Minmatar is destroyed or enslaved.. there is no saving them Ammar... COME FIGHT WITH GOD AND I!
As stated earlier.. where are you CVA?! Some of us fight and die while you sit in your little outposts... You say you are great? Well God needs you NOW!, come prove it!
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lazari Zarin
As stated earlier.. where are you CVA?! Some of us fight and die while you sit in your little outposts... You say you are great? Well God needs you NOW!, come prove it!
As I mentioned earlier, they have been active in the warzone, despite claims to the contrary.
Maybe you would have seen some of them in space yourself were this not your first day as a capsuleer.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Lazari Zarin
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Posted - 2008.06.23 18:39:00 -
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I would not consider running and losing ACTIVE! We Ammar must stand our ground and fight!
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rValdez5987
32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment
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Posted - 2008.06.23 19:47:00 -
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You speak of the Imperial navy, please clear up your statements regarding that. Are you speaking of our specific navy regiment, or the Imperial navy in general?
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.23 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Lazari Zarin
As stated earlier.. where are you CVA?! Some of us fight and die while you sit in your little outposts... You say you are great? Well God needs you NOW!, come prove it!
Interestingly enough, it is not CVA making cries of greatness, nor are we putting the fate of the 24th Imperial Crusade in our hands.
Though denied direct involvement by the Empire, we have been present and active in the Bleaklands. However, we cannot accomplish what the 24th Imperial Crusade is capable of accomplishing, no matter how many terrorist vessels we destroy. This is the militia's fight, in the end, whether we like it or not.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.06.23 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: rValdez5987 You speak of the Imperial navy, please clear up your statements regarding that. Are you speaking of our specific navy regiment, or the Imperial navy in general?
I am speaking of the Imperial Navy in general - I presume that is who most Amarrians refer to when speaking of "the might of the Imperial Navy", whom presumably comprise mostly of non-capsule-fitted ships. With all due respect, you're a capsuleer auxilliary for the Amarrian capsuleer militia, and thus are presumably not part of the "main" Imperial Navy that is invoked so often. I am presuming that a fight with your wing of the Navy might have been a bit more, ah, interesting. You are, after all, capsuleers. I'll give you that much.
For clarity, when I talk about "the Amarr militia", I'm talking about pod pilots, and when I say "the Imperial Navy", I'm talking about the rank-and-file. Is this the clarity you wanted? -----
CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting. |
Yendaj
Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.23 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Daziel Iaar
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Rodj Blake If one were to believe the Minmatar propaganda of the last week or so, one might conclude that the Amarrians are in full scale rout and that the war will be over by the mid-winter solstice.
However, to believe the Minmatar propaganda would be a fallacy. Minmatar terrorists have a long and ignoble history of spinning their reports to show themselves in a more favourable light than is really the case.
For how many years have they promised us that a storm was coming to destroy the Empire?
The war will be a long one, and although the Minmatar's warlike and aggressive stance has meant that they have made some limited gains, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the now overly-confident Minmatars are failing to consider one thing.
And Rodj, you've been saying for years that the Minmatar would stand absolutely no chance against the Amarr - that a war would be an utterly forgone conclusion. I believe that the exact words were "When we want the Republic, we will come for it".
Well... you're coming for it, right? So why isn't the Republic falling?
Because you're only facing pod pilots and not the full might of the Imperial Navy, you should really learn to distinguish between the two.
May i add i have heard of mirrorgod being in space but he was chased off by laerise after seeing his friend get destroyed by her.
You seem to be mistaken, after looking back through my logs, it was me and Mirrorgod and our other pilots that chased Laerise off .... It just so happens it was in its capsule after we blew the ship out from undernearth it! Your intel seems to be somewhat tainted by the usual inaccuracies the Amarr manage to spew forth...
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Major Death
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: Major Death on 23/06/2008 21:58:36
Quote: Interestingly enough, it is not CVA making cries of greatness, nor are we putting the fate of the 24th Imperial Crusade in our hands.
Though denied direct involvement by the Empire, we have been present and active in the Bleaklands. However, we cannot accomplish what the 24th Imperial Crusade is capable of accomplishing, no matter how many terrorist vessels we destroy. This is the militia's fight, in the end, whether we like it or not.
So in plain language 'You are on your own, Good Luck'
Still on the plus side when the 24th Crusade runs out of systems, it can always flee to Providence.
My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;) CCP say 'Shut up about bugs and eat your eye candy!' |
Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Garreck on 23/06/2008 23:01:59
Originally by: Major Death
So in plain language 'You are on your own, Good Luck'
The plainest language is the recent hundred or so kills in the Bleaklands by CVA forces of the likes of the Tribal Liberation Force, Stimulus, The Final Stand, Mobile Alcohol Processing Units, Ushra'Khan, and Ushra'Khan's little brother corporation, the likes of which I'm disinclined to try and spell at the moment.
Originally by: Major Death Still on the plus side when the 24th Crusade runs out of systems, it can always flee to Providence.
This is a true statement, actually. I'll be curious to see where the Tribal Liberation Forces run should the tides turn...
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Redbad
TSL Wolfpack
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Major Death Edited by: Major Death on 23/06/2008 21:58:36
Quote: Interestingly enough, it is not CVA making cries of greatness, nor are we putting the fate of the 24th Imperial Crusade in our hands.
Though denied direct involvement by the Empire, we have been present and active in the Bleaklands. However, we cannot accomplish what the 24th Imperial Crusade is capable of accomplishing, no matter how many terrorist vessels we destroy. This is the militia's fight, in the end, whether we like it or not.
So in plain language 'You are on your own, Good Luck'
Still on the plus side when the 24th Crusade runs out of systems, it can always flee to Providence.
hmmm. Providence.
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Natalia Duraldi
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
While Federation forces were achieving a high kill to death ratio against large numbers of low grade frigates*; ... State forces continue to hold the system a week later. So despite success in destroying large numbers of ships worth less than 5 million isk(#)
We tend to kill many types of caldari ships, and you are being very misleading on the types of ships killed, seeing as how we kill many more cruisers then we do frigates. Also there have been a few capital ships here and there as well for some extra fun.
I do want to let it be known that I respect many of the State Protectorate, and have been killed more then my fair share of times. It has been an interesting war so far, and it will be intriguing to see where it goes, and if the Empires themselves will start dying for their causes rather then expect us to do it for them.
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Sepherim
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2008.06.24 00:34:00 -
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Edited by: Sepherim on 24/06/2008 00:35:43
Originally by: Redbad hmmm. Providence.
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I believe you already been there... Karishal's Folly, remember?
In any case, outside the usual bickering, the points were made in the first page of this thread by other capsuleers. It has not even been a month of combat, there is no winner at all yet. Only losers, hundreds of pods breached, thousands of crewmen dead. The victory only comes when all the losses and prices are paid... and a long and bloody path is still to be walked before we reach such a point.
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Bacchanalian
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.06.24 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck Edited by: Garreck on 23/06/2008 23:01:59
The plainest language is the recent hundred or so kills in the Bleaklands by CVA forces of the likes of the Tribal Liberation Force, Stimulus, The Final Stand, Mobile Alcohol Processing Units, Ushra'Khan, and Ushra'Khan's little brother corporation, the likes of which I'm disinclined to try and spell at the moment.
Mhm, CVA's 100 or so kills. I won't bandy about numbers, but suffice it to say that's a rather trivial number compared to what I've seen so far.
That said, I hope you bring larger ships and find the will to fire first next time. Attacking your tech 1 cruisers under sentry fire will get old quickly. ____________________ GM Sunshine > oops Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops'
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.24 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Bacchanalian I won't bandy about numbers, but suffice it to say that's a rather trivial number compared to what I've seen so far.
No doubt. Particularly when your targets apparently aren't undocking and fighting?
Or I guess they are, if you're scoring so many kills as to pale CVA's (admittedly humble) contribution to date? Interesting thought.
At any rate, I'm sure we'll continue to field our cruisers so long as they prove as useful to us per sortie as they have been...
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