Originally by: Boz Well

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Originally by: Pteranodon

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We are back to that same old topic & it comes true so many times. You can't fly battleships with low skills. It is not enough to sit in a battleship- you need a good tank supported with all the supplementary skills.

I suggest you park that Battleship for a few months & train a solid tec2 tank & all associated skills. Then you will fly through missions at level 4 with much less concern than what you are having.

I reckon your base skill for battleships for level 4 missions must be around 8-10 million skill points- anything less & you will experience the problems you are getting & worse stand a chance of loosing that ship.

One final note for the trolling community I am not saying that you cant fly a BS with less points but being skilled right makes the experience far more rewarding.

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I completely disagree. I'll admit the OP's choice of ship isn't the most noob friendly, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be doing level 4's. It just means he might need a change of ship until his SP improve. Ships like the Domi/Raven adapt perfectly to low SP chars. Without knowing his exact SP I can't say for sure whether I think he personally should be attempting level 4 missions, but level 3 missions until 10 million SP? Lol? Please.

With eve survival and a noob-friendly BS, there's no reason not to be completing level 4 missions with only a few million SP. And that's with only minimal risk, i.e. the risk that you might shoot the wrong group or somehow pull the entire room. But absent a boneheaded mistake while warp scrambled, you aren't going to lose a BS with lower SP. A little competence goes a long way to making up a lack of SP, at least for missions (which are easy to begin with).

Advising people to spend months doing mind-numbingly easy low-pay missions (i.e. level 3's) is advising them to play a boring game imo. Taking a low SP char into level 4's is honestly one of the more fun parts of PVE in this game, heh. Level 4's lose any semblance of a challenge once you learn the missions/get higher SP.

IMO, OP, get a dominix (or a Raven if you prefer) and try again once you train some basic skills if you don't have them already (i.e. armor tanking, heavy/sentry drones). You don't need t2 drones. You don't need t2 LAR's. You don't need t2 hardeners. And enjoy the challenge the missions provide while you can, heh.

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Originally by: Boz Well

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Your argument is derailing quickly. I never said, nor am I saying now, that missioning with max skills is not more efficient than missioning with low skills. Of COURSE BS 5 is useful. Of COURSE T2 weapons are useful. Hell, also having full Estamel's gear would be useful. That does NOT lead to the conclusion that you should wait to do level 4's until you have max skills and a full Estamel-fit BS.

The proper time to start level 4 missions is simply when your personal risk/reward analysis says it's time. That can be with just a few million SP in a Dominix or Raven, depending on the player. You might find it fun to be able to fly multiple BS with max skills and T2 guns, but that has jack to do with when someone should start level 4's.

If a new player wants to start level 4's with only a few million SP, he can and should do so imo. He will be slower than a higher-SP player, but that's irrelevant. He might not have the option to fly multiple BS with T2 gear, but that's irrelevant. So long as he uses eve-survival, plays cautiously and preferrably uses a noob-friendly ship, he'll make substantially more cash than he would from level 3's. And more importantly, he'll be doing what he wants to do (level 4 missions).

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