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Shin Chogan
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Posted - 2008.06.18 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: Shin Chogan on 18/06/2008 23:35:32 Hi,
I thought I'd try wandering into low sec for a little ratting and found myself totally out of my depth. The rats were no problem it was the Pirates that were all over me. I've got about 4.8 mil SP mostly in Drones and Gunnery my full char is here
Ship setup :
Vexor
High : 4 x 150mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon (Lead or AM), Small 'Arup' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Mid : Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners, 2 x Cap Recharger I Low : Medium I-a Polarized Armor Regenerator,'Rampart' Magnetic Field Plating I,EBANP,800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates
Drone bay : 2 Bouncer I Drones Deployed : 5 x Hammerhead I
From one of the kill mails Damage Taken: 10088 They were in an Ishkur and were using Hobgoblin II's as well as guns (not sure what though)
I was jammed so I couldn't jump out.
Obviously I'm not kitted out for PvP and I've made the same costly mistake twice - I know ... I'm a thicket However if anyone has any tips both for ship fitting and for any major holes in my skills before I next venture into low sec that would be fantastic.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.18 23:43:00 -
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TBH, it's totally safe to rat in anything in lowsec, as long as you're aware that everyone in local is a pirate unless proven otherwise. I normally accept home addresses, compromising photographs, and bank account access as proof.
Anyway, moving on, as long as everyone in local is a pirate, and you stay aligned, its safe almost no matter what your skills. That said, you'll make more ISK in 0.0 or in highsec. If you want some "in person" help, consider joining one of the FW militias. :)
-Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved. |
Shin Chogan
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Posted - 2008.06.18 23:52:00 -
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Edited by: Shin Chogan on 18/06/2008 23:52:37
Originally by: Liang Nuren TBH, it's totally safe to rat in anything in lowsec, as long as you're aware that everyone in local is a pirate unless proven otherwise. I normally accept home addresses, compromising photographs, and bank account access as proof.
Anyway, moving on, as long as everyone in local is a pirate, and you stay aligned, its safe almost no matter what your skills. That said, you'll make more ISK in 0.0 or in highsec. If you want some "in person" help, consider joining one of the FW militias. :)
-Liang
I did assume everyone was out to kill me. First time only 5 people in local and just after I engaged rat cruiser pirate showed up and I was jammed before I had a chance to warp out. - I guess here my technique is lacking - how do I go about engaging rats while staying aligned. My method was target rat click orbit at default range on closest target (orbit range set to my guns optimal) Activate AB and launch my medium drones. It was at this point that the pirate turned up.
Can't join the FW militias as my standings are only 0.22 without skills
I was doing some ratting as a change of pace from the mission grinding - unfortunately cost me.
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Bronson Hughes
The. Conspiracy
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Posted - 2008.06.19 00:05:00 -
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Target your 'rat, put your drones on them, select something 'warpable' (a station or jump gate works well), select 'align to', and stay on that course at full speed with your AB or MWD turned off until your drones kill your target. If you get out of range, re-approach your target and then re-align.
If you get jumped, warp to what you're aligned to and you should get out right away. It helps to keep your destination object selected for faster warping.
Good luck, and good hunting. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne |
steejans nix
0beron Construct
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Posted - 2008.06.19 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Chogan [
Can't join the FW militias as my standings are only 0.22 without skills
I was doing some ratting as a change of pace from the mission grinding - unfortunately cost me.
There are player corp's who have signed up for a militia who are taking in players who not have the required standings as long as they not minus standings. Also if just doing low sec ratting for a change of pace why not grab a frig, more fun and perectly capable in taking out the rats there, (more so in my case when i lacked even the more basic combat skills) would align faster and would help teach you the avoidance tactic's for low sec and at the end of it all is cheap and easy to replace when you get caught out, you really don't need a cruiser to rat there.
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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.19 07:15:00 -
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Take some ECM drones.
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Nocturnal Avenger
Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.19 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Chogan Hi,
I thought I'd try wandering into low sec for a little ratting and found myself totally out of my depth. The rats were no problem it was the Pirates that were all over me.
Did you read that little sign that showed up, when you entered low-sec?
- Carebear Pirate - |
Feng Schui
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.06.19 07:49:00 -
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stop sucking?
Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.06.19 07:54:00 -
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One of the problems is that you go into low sec for ratting and have fitted your ship for that purpose. When the pirates attack you...they are fitted for pvp (and usually quite good at it). You can handle the rats in a pvp-fit also (some might be tricky) so go with that. Pirates make for a good bounty ;)
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Agor Dirdonen
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Posted - 2008.06.19 08:05:00 -
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That bounty usually comes from winning against other players. So the chances are high that you won't collect his bounty, but he'll collect your modules.
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Kuranta
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.19 08:28:00 -
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You should consider using a different weapon-platform. You will not have time to get the drones back into your dronebay when a pirate jumps you.
You'll run out of your main weapon quite fast and it gets costly as well when using T2s.
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H Lecter
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Posted - 2008.06.19 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Chogan Edited by: Shin Chogan on 18/06/2008 23:35:32 Hi,
I thought I'd try wandering into low sec for a little ratting and found myself totally out of my depth. The rats were no problem it was the Pirates that were all over me. I've got about 4.8 mil SP mostly in Drones and Gunnery my full char is here
It is not helpful to post a link to your char. If you want to share your skill tree with others you should use this !
I clicked on it and received a window saying 'This is not your character, Concord has been notified' - I actually hope it's only one of CCP's jokes
Regarding your question: Ratting is not like doing missions. Primary goal is survival and killing rats is secondary. So as others said before, fit for PVP. Of course you can orbit a rat, but I would not do it unless you are
a) alone in the system b) blue to everyone in the system
As soon as a neutral shows up, check out his char info to be able to estimate how dangerous he is. Open your scanner and use it - this is described in detail already elsewhere. But watch out, even a stupid shuttle could be bait or a scout with a gang in the next system.
Drones are nice as they can hit rats while you stay aligned but you should be prepared to lose them in case you have to warp out, so maybe you want to consider using T1 types.
Apart from being aligned you might want to create safe spots.
And if I come in the system where you are ratting, just stay where you are and wait...
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Jaro Brutus
La Isla del Mono
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Posted - 2008.06.19 08:48:00 -
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Hello Shin Chogan
1st bear in mind that low sec is mostly not very profitable because of low income rats and very high risk from pirates
2nd Always have the local channel open and check if someone is a potential pirate
3rd The system scanner is your friend: When ratting open it and set to scan 360 degree at a range of say 10 o 20 Million KM... Spam the scan button constantly and if something shows on the scanner you may win some seconds to warp put before someone arrives at your belt...
bear in mind that probably, if you wait for your drones to return before jumping away, you may be killed.
Also follow the other advices you have received: be aligned, fit for pvp...
Aslo, note that when other player renders you unable to warp, i'ts called scrambled. "Jammed" reffers to other type of modules: ECM's
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.06.19 09:03:00 -
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Plus what I've heard from many...when go suicidal in pvp aka " a **** it! I'll go down blasting!!" you raise the potential win factor! When you attack and at some point you notice...this ain't going well... you can either warp out and get shot while doing it, or turn the tub around let him/her have it. They might just be on the edge of cap limit and go down easily.
When you loose the fear of dying, you'll start killing!
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Subedai
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Posted - 2008.06.19 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Chogan 5 people in local
That was your mistake
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Nocturnal Avenger
Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.19 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer One of the problems is that you go into low sec for ratting and have fitted your ship for that purpose. When the pirates attack you...they are fitted for pvp (and usually quite good at it). You can handle the rats in a pvp-fit also (some might be tricky) so go with that. Pirates make for a good bounty ;)
If you are a npc'er at heart, bringing a pvp-fit probably won't change anything.
- Carebear Pirate - |
H Lecter
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Posted - 2008.06.19 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger If you are a npc'er at heart, bringing a pvp-fit probably won't change anything.[/quote
Truer words were never spoken. The biggest problem in pvp is when you are not mentally prepared. You start pumping so much adrenaline through your venes that you become unable to react in a timely and efficient manner.
The cure? Well, probably the best is to fit a ship that you can afford to lose (not only once but many times) and go start practicing pvp. You will lose ships, but every time you do you will have learned a valuable lesson. Tell the guys who killed you that it was a good fight and bring the next ship. You might also want to join a corp that has its home in losec or zerosec.
The true potential in Eve is not in Empire space! Go out and kill!
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arbalesttom
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.19 11:34:00 -
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Carry a set of 5x small ecm drones with you! ***Sig***
Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
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Cloudd
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Posted - 2008.06.19 11:48:00 -
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also try to make a bookmark at least 50-75km away from warpin point in a belt, or move away quickly from warpin point in a belt. Therefore creating some distance between you and pirates warping in.
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Stela'Artois
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.19 13:58:00 -
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Welcome to low sec...
People before me have already given you the speach on watching local, staying aligned yadda yadda yadda...
But I want to talk to you about my good friend the Vexor. This is a mean little cruiser that can cause some major hurt to baddies. It was a personal favorite of mine for low-sec ratting and pirate hunting/general pvp action.
My setup, which some will give other setups, was:
Hi's: Small Railguns (named or T2), Mids: AB, Web, Scram Lows: 1600mm Rolled Tungsten, small armor repper II (best you can afford), EANM, Damage Control II (or best you can afford) Drones: 10T2 small, 5 T2 meds.
The purpose of this setup is to stay around long enough for your drones to pretty much kill anything cruiser sized or below. The armor repper is more for after battle repairs, but does add just a little to the tank. The damage control greatly enhances your tank, as once they chew through your shields/armor...they still have hardened structure to deal with...all this time those little drones are wailing away.
You dont need the cap chargers in the mids...so I put the mods needed to best kill others there.
Did I win all the time? Of course not...but if you watch local, scan what type of ships you are up against, and pick your fights well, this set up and mentality works well.
Best thing is, it is easy to fly...if you decide you are going to fight it out...just approach your target, put on a scram/web when in range, and watch your drones do their thing. Your guns will add to the damage, or can be used for anti drone defense.
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Shin Chogan
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Posted - 2008.06.19 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: Shin Chogan on 19/06/2008 15:25:22
Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Plus what I've heard from many...when go suicidal in pvp aka " a **** it! I'll go down blasting!!" you raise the potential win factor! When you attack and at some point you notice...this ain't going well... you can either warp out and get shot while doing it, or turn the tub around let him/her have it. They might just be on the edge of cap limit and go down easily.
When you loose the fear of dying, you'll start killing!
Oh did that ... once I'd been scrambled only option is to go down fighting I got the first guy down to about 50% armor the second guy was hitting me with Navy Cruise missiles from so far out I only managed to take his shields down to about 99%
Obviously my ship, my char, and myself were not properly prepared for low sec/0.0 space however as H Lecter said there is more fun to be had in these areas NPC stuff is only interesting for so long
There's some good tactical stuff in here for attempting to survive in low sec many thanks.
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AnKahn
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.06.19 15:37:00 -
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Some people are "born" to PvP and it has nothing to do with EvE. They excel at PvP at any game they play,
In EvE you CAN learn to PvP even if you are not a "natural". It is not a twitch based game and there is plenty of time during a battle to do all the things needed to maximize your chances of survival. Most fights in EvE are won or lost before you undock. Most of those that will brag about thier leet skills really just happen to fly powerful ships set up right.
The best way to learn is finding a good corp that has smart FC that are noob friendly (i.e. willing to teach).
I know several good FCs. This is my main and I can give you referrals depending where you want to live.
Good luck.
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Calvin Okone
LSP Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.19 15:40:00 -
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AnKahn,
Why not list a few here. I am sure several pilots would like to know. |
Serret Nevets
The Hull Miners Union The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.06.19 16:57:00 -
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Shin,
One thing I learned very early on was always have a destination set. This does 2 things:
1. Gives you that orangie/yellow gate to point to, making aligning easier 2. If someone jumps in, you can always press the autopilot button and warp off. This is a lot easier and fast than re-clicking the gate and then pressing the warp-to button. Be forewarned though that this will drop you 15kms from the gate, but sometimes just getting out is good enough to save your ship.
Carebear at heart, but peer pressure gets the better of me. |
AnKahn
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.06.19 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Calvin Okone AnKahn,
Why not list a few here. I am sure several pilots would like to know.
I'm sure my FC friends would not appriciate becoming famous and therefore PRIMARY.
But I'm sure you knew that and were testing me
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Bootleg Greg
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Posted - 2008.06.19 19:33:00 -
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In low-sec you are not safe anywhere. There are turrets at the gates and stations, but they do not do a lot of damage because CCP hasn't really updated them along with the game. So you can basically consider them not even there. Staying alive in low-sec is hard sometimes, varying if the area is populated or not. A lot of pirates camp gates and because it is so accessible it is very common. So the gate is probably the hardest part. Once inside a low-sec system, take these factors into consideration: How many people are in local? How many of these people are in the same corp/alliance? What is there corp goals (mining/manufacturing/pvp/etc...) Is anyone within scan range? (if you can scan them, they can scan you, consider yourself seen) Another thing you might want to do is put on a warp core stabilizer. Yeah, I know it's cheap, but look at it this way. 1. You can probably spare the low slot if your ratting 2. Whatever can reach you that fast, enough to get a point on you before you can allign/warp is probably sporting a disrupter (+1 point), so you can escape. Other than that, just knowledge of the game, it will take time, we all gotten the sh!t kicked out of us in low-sec at one point or another, all apart of the learning experience.
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Bronson Hughes
The. Conspiracy
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Posted - 2008.06.19 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: Bronson Hughes on 19/06/2008 19:59:08
Originally by: Bootleg Greg There are turrets at the gates and stations, but they do not do a lot of damage ... you can basically consider them not even there.
Gate guns still do a very good job of ensuring that piracy of the non-suicide variety that happens near gate guns is performed by battlecruisers and up. If you're sitting on a gate or at a station and there's a frigate sitting there with you, you can be reasonably sure that it's not going to risk agressing sentry guns to shoot at you unless the pilot feels they can one-shot you and let a buddy loot your wreck. Cruisers can last a little while under sentry fire but typically can't perma-tank it so they still won't engage unless they're confident that they can kill you very quickly.
But Greg is right, against a decently tanked battlecruiser or battleship gang, gate guns don't really do anything. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne |
Kevin Finnerty
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Posted - 2008.06.19 20:32:00 -
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Definately consider a frig if you're low sec ratting. Tristan with 2xNeutron i, 2x Rockets always worked pretty nice for me. If it get's blown up who gives a toss? Plus you may find that it's a lot cheaper than leaving 5 hammerhead IIs behind everytime someone jumps into a belt with you.
If your intent on using a vexor and it's larger affilliates (nowt wrong with that), go into mission running. Sux at first, very profitable in the long run.
Toodles.
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2008.06.19 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Chogan I got pwned by an Ishkur!
You are indeed a bit out of your depth. 4.8mil skillpoints and being a tad clueless are a bad recipe for lowsec when you are solo. As others have said, use a frig for awhile until you get the feel of the area. Or even better, find a group to fly with.
As far as the Vexor fit, definitely not the greatest for lowsec.
First off, I've never been a fan of rails on a Vexor. Too difficult to keep the range and they don't hit hard enough to make them worthwhile. Switch to short-range weapons (blasters or ACs). That way you can use them to kill drones or close tacklers (granted at this point in your training it won't make alot of difference, you'll still die, but it's good practice for later).
Second, your mids. Cap rechargers are probably not the best choice for a PvP situation. And everytime you are in lowsec, it's a PvP situation. I'd recommend replacing one with a Web. Webs make close tacklers (like Ishkurs) cry. Combined with short-range weapons and drones, they are very effective. You could also try a scram, but that really depends on your cap skills, and whether or not you are focused on killing your opponent as compared to just escaping the situation.
Third, your lows. Persoanlly I'm not a big fan of a repper on a Vexor. IMO it doesn't have enough slots to make a decent enough tank. I prefer a buffer tank instead (big plate, no rep). But the effectiveness of that may depend on your skills. And it's definitely more geared towards single encounter PvP rather than constant ratting.
Fourth, ratting in lowsec is not a good idea. Not much more to say on that.
Lastly, your drones. Might want to dump the sentry drones. Not very effective solo. Instead, consider going with 7xMed/6xLight. Or some sort of similar mix.
Taxman V: Back in Black
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Squatdog
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.20 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren TBH, it's totally safe to rat in anything in lowsec, as long as you're aware that everyone in local is a pirate unless proven otherwise. I normally accept home addresses, compromising photographs, and bank account access as proof.
-Liang
LMFAO!!!!
Liang shows why he/she is the premier disinformation agent on the forum.
Ratting in lowsec is a total waste of time unless it's a backwaters system or you are in a corp that operates extensively in the region. Whatever isk you make from farming the substandard rats, you'll lose getting podded by pirates (like Liang's main).
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