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Merdaneth
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.18 09:03:00 -
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Why is any suprised.
Ranks are an NPC-derived statistic. As long as you base ranks on interaction with NPCs, people can and will find optimal methods to increase/max them.
As long as you have NPC related mechanics anywhere in the mix, you will get abusable mechanics, because (most) NPC related mechanics lack to capacity to adapt dynamically. ____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Ethaet
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.06.18 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mazakura What the hell are you guys talking about. RANKS SHOULD BE WORTHLESS. In fact they never should have put ranks into this FW. This is not WoW and frankly the fact that CCP did put ranks into the game makes me a little sick.
If they ever have ranks get you ships and/or gear they are just one step away from driving eve into the ground.
This. -------------------------------------------------------------- Seriously, we need some kind of separation between the post and signature. There you go. Now that wasn't so hard |
Carniflex
Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.06.18 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon Edited by: Qui Shon on 18/06/2008 08:10:35
Originally by: Vaal Erit
So if I play Bioshock and I decide to just run around in a circle and no nothing, that means Bioshock is broken?
OT, but Bioshock *was* broken. It failed in almost all things where the games it stole it's ideas from succeeded. Bioshock was ****. Huge disappointment.
Oh, and if someone can get the highest rank in 6 days, yeah, that's ridiculously easy. You can't get, say, standings for BS bpc offers in 6 days, why can you get the highest FW rank in that time?
You can get to best lev 4 combat agents in faction in 6 days starting from -1.xx faction standings with them and some slight negative standings with their navy corp and no other standings for corps in that faction. I know, bcos I have done it for minmatar reaching that emolgranlan L4Q18 agent in that timeframe. In that light it does not seem too surprising considering that one starts from positive faction and zero corp stadnings in this case and does need to slave for extended periods for low level low quality agents to gain acsess to something that grants 'proper' rewards.
However as far as 'too easy' rants go. If it's that easy go and do it yourself also. You will find out soon enough that doing something for a week straight like there is no tomorrow is not as easy as it sounds.
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ExcellciuM
Exair Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.18 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: ExcellciuM This post has been cleared of inappropriate content.
Regards, The EVE Online Moderation team
Circlejerk
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.06.18 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex
However as far as 'too easy' rants go. If it's that easy go and do it yourself also. You will find out soon enough that doing something for a week straight like there is no tomorrow is not as easy as it sounds.
That's certainly true. Nevertheless, I'm guessing this means in a short amount of time there will be loads of highest rank militia on all sides, which is a bit silly, imo. For comparison, how often do you see someone with 10.0 faction standing?
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Tommy Reslin
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.06.18 09:37:00 -
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I don't think the difficulty or time should be increased. I'll probably have the highest rank by the end of this week. Why am I stating this? Because I'm sure that if they increase the time it takes to make the rank I'll already have it by the time they increase. So if they make it longer and give out good rewards those of us that made the rank easily will get rewards that others will have to work two or three times harder for.
It's because of this that I believe that the ranks should remain where they are. I believe that the ranks should offer minor things. Nothing special like ships etc. Perhaps they should allow you to purchase cheap skill books or maybe cheaper ammo/armor repairs. Something simple but adds up to a lot in the long run.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.18 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0
But seriously, not even one kill to help out your faction is rather worthless.
our killboard shows Ankhesentapemkah did get on a killmail (1 rifter, scoring 37% of the damage). Not entirely a carebear after all it seems, but none of her lossmails show a scram. a WCS or two, but no scram. We come for our people |
Seviere
XBeyond
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Posted - 2008.06.18 09:48:00 -
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Kinda disturbing that one can get the higher rank without even making a pvp kill... wasn't FW mainly about the pvp |
Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2008.06.18 09:53:00 -
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Pyramid quote removed.Applebabe
You have thousand of shuttles/frigates kills in a smartbombing mothership in kow sec (Rancer). No wonder you didn't needed remote repping. All that you needed was your cyno alt to get out of dodge if something treatening was coming.
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.06.18 10:05:00 -
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Wa..... Carebears is coming!
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Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.06.18 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Seviere Kinda disturbing that one can get the higher rank without even making a pvp kill... wasn't FW mainly about the pvp
It's an objective- based gametype, not team deathmatch -- or at least that's what it looks like to me. You score in those types of games by achieving objectives, not by racking up kills. It's just that killing lots of guys presumably makes the objectives easier to do. Pretty standard game design really.
Looking at it again though, if she basically hoed up a bunch of points by running uncontested plexes in systems her faction safely owns, well, that's a flaw in the scoring system and it needs addressing. ___________________________________________
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Napro
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Posted - 2008.06.18 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Seviere Kinda disturbing that one can get the higher rank without even making a pvp kill... wasn't FW mainly about the pvp
uh no
Why does everyone seem to think a content update can only add new features for one group of people?
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.18 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Thaylon Sen They may just be eye candy, but its very dispointing their so easy to get. Kudos was their only value.
wow guess i shouldnt feel like i was left in the dust if they are so easy to get. Ranks deffinitely require a change. theres gotta be a challenge for a rank to mean anything. By that i mean there should have to be some pvp since it is "warfare",right?
I hope ccp tweaks things so it takes a LOT more time to get the highest rank and do it quickly. Dont want to see everyone and their mother with the max rank,ccp change the rank system all before i get some decent amount of time to play. no offense to the guy or anyone else but i hope ccp tweaks the system and adjusts the ranks of players accordingly instead of just letting them have it.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.06.18 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Seviere Kinda disturbing that one can get the higher rank without even making a pvp kill... wasn't FW mainly about the pvp
Is war, in general, all about the PvP?
Watching people freak out about a completely worthless title is amusing, at any rate. The personal attacks were a nice touch, too. The EVE forum community doesn't disappoint!
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
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Seviere
XBeyond
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Posted - 2008.06.18 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Napro
Originally by: Seviere Kinda disturbing that one can get the higher rank without even making a pvp kill... wasn't FW mainly about the pvp
uh no
Why does everyone seem to think a content update can only add new features for one group of people?
She has done well for her faction, making mishs in enemy territory is risky. I have no problems with that but I do have problems with the fact that my corp m8 makes 15 solo kills in 2 days and is still the lowest rank. Something doesn't seem well ballanced to me. |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.18 10:24:00 -
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It was already my experience on the test server that you simply got too much of a standing boost for capturing sites. Also, you got standing boost for capturing sites in "own" systems.
The only thing you have to do to get your rank up quick, is to go and scan for conquerable sites in one of your own factions "contested" system and capture them all day long. You will not even get aggression from the NPC's.
My suggestions for change would be 1) Lower standing gain from capturing sites 2) Give no standing gain for capturing sites in systems with friendly occupancy ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute |
ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.18 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Napro
Originally by: Seviere Kinda disturbing that one can get the higher rank without even making a pvp kill... wasn't FW mainly about the pvp
uh no
Why does everyone seem to think a content update can only add new features for one group of people?
2 words for you:
fac+tion 1 (fkshn) n. 1. A group of persons forming a cohesive, usually contentious minority within a larger group.
war+fare (w(rfGr) n. 1. a. The waging of war against an enemy; armed conflict.
I gotta suggest that ccp look at yes.. Planetside for a scoring system. youcould take bases all day long but earn zero points if you took it without a fight. The greater the number of hostiles that were fighting to defend a base(capture point) and the longer they fought the higher the points value for capturing the base.
in eve theres apparently nothing associated with rank. Right now thats a good thing. In PS if the same was true everyone w ould have an Orbital Strike which would be equal to a Titan DD every 3 hours. After 5 years theres a lot of people that have attained the rank for such but the vast majority are only a fraction of the way there.
Ranks should mean something,not free titans but something. Ranks should require a much greater amount of time and effort and pvp to reach. Without such they mean nothing. I know that some people will try to abuse their 100 accounts but it will only be so effective if players are willing to fight and shoot anything that moves.
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iudex
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.18 10:40:00 -
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Why is there so much bitterness and hate in this thread ? Does Ankh have a swarm of haters following her and trolling her threads for whatever reasons, or are there really that many people with an emotional disturbance and an oversized ego, that can't accept that someone did something faster than themselves ? Why can't people just congratulate on the achievement, but have to rant ? If they consider ranks worthless, who are they to judge someone else who set up a goal to get the top rank and actually achieved something ?
_________________________________________ Faction Standings: Serpentis +7.50 // Angel Cartel +7.17 // Minmatar Republic -8.49 // Gallente Federation -9.53 Faction Warfare Rank: Lieutenant Colonel |
Doctor Mabuse
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Posted - 2008.06.18 10:40:00 -
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The solution is simple, do not allow a beacon to be captured while there are still enemy forces at that location.
Currently you can enter almost any beacon in a solo interceptor and speed tank the NPC damage whilst the timer ticks down, no team work or gang required, just pick up the points and move on to the next one. All of which makes little sense.
Judging by the strange intie fits the OP has lost recently, this is the method she used :)
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.06.18 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0 [ But seriously, not even one kill to help out your faction is rather worthless.
Actually, from a logical/fluff standpoint, killing an enemy ship means absolutely NOTHING, since war material is nearly limitless for all sides. So it's the blobs duking it out in Tama that are worthless in "helping out [their] faction", as you put it.
Deathmatch / free4all style of play is the simplest and most boring kind of PvP, regardless of platform (Eve/fps/sim/etc). Since Ankh could accomplish her objectives virtually uncontested, it means FW does not do enough to encourage objective based PvP. Perhaps the counterstrike in space lemmings are simply too many to steer towards a wider spectrum of pew pew, without actually forcing it.
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HakanSherif
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.18 10:45:00 -
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Did it effect pirate factions standings aswell? Serpentis FTW.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.06.18 10:57:00 -
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Okay, sincere question here.
Does capturing these points provide some benefit the faction as a whole? Or what does it actually accomplish?
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.18 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret Okay, sincere question here.
Does capturing these points provide some benefit the faction as a whole? Or what does it actually accomplish?
nothing. changes the "occupancy" which is pretty much RP fluff only.
people in FW are engaging in pew pew for fun for the most part. We come for our people |
fuze
InfoMorph Services Ltd
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Posted - 2008.06.18 11:12:00 -
[84]
CCP got us here. They almost succeeded into making us believe a new addition in the game wasn't gimped when it was released.
GJ Ankh. |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2008.06.18 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Fifinella It's nice to see the months I spent grinding faction standing for POS anchoring and whatnot weren't wasted.
You always had the option to pay someone else with the required standings to join your corp and temporarily kick the other members with bad standings. This should now become a great deal cheaper, if so many people are going to get such high standings.
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2008.06.18 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret Okay, sincere question here.
Does capturing these points provide some benefit the faction as a whole? Or what does it actually accomplish?
Capturing/defending complexes give points to system control. So it help the faction. Naturally there is the question if doing that in uncontested system give points. If so it should be changed.
I would be curious to know how much of the large batch of Caldari control points were done that way and why Gallente pilots aren't doing the same.
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4IROW
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.06.18 11:17:00 -
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congrats to your rank but I hope CCP will change this... Getting the top rank should be a lot of work and there should be a system similar to BattleField2141.
There should be only ONE Divine Commodore (or other "top leader") and he would change every week (top scorer after a week). So basically, if you have obtained the highest rank, you can't just lean back but you have to continue to fight (or missionig or whatever) to remain in this position.
A similar process could be applied for the lower 2 or 3 ranks too!
This way, we won't have 1000 "super generals" after half a year.
Btw while I'd love to see that PvP get's rewarded, I think it would be exploited. If CCP decides to do this there should be a limit so if you kill the same player more than once per hour only one kill per hour will be counted to the ranking.
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Ralara
Vivicide
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Posted - 2008.06.18 11:30:00 -
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So you DO undock then?
Even though you're Amarr, I'll try and pod you :) --
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.06.18 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex
Originally by: Qui Shon Edited by: Qui Shon on 18/06/2008 08:10:35
Originally by: Vaal Erit
So if I play Bioshock and I decide to just run around in a circle and no nothing, that means Bioshock is broken?
OT, but Bioshock *was* broken. It failed in almost all things where the games it stole it's ideas from succeeded. Bioshock was ****. Huge disappointment.
Oh, and if someone can get the highest rank in 6 days, yeah, that's ridiculously easy. You can't get, say, standings for BS bpc offers in 6 days, why can you get the highest FW rank in that time?
You can get to best lev 4 combat agents in faction in 6 days starting from -1.xx faction standings with them and some slight negative standings with their navy corp and no other standings for corps in that faction. I know, bcos I have done it for minmatar reaching that emolgranlan L4Q18 agent in that timeframe. In that light it does not seem too surprising considering that one starts from positive faction and zero corp stadnings in this case and does need to slave for extended periods for low level low quality agents to gain acsess to something that grants 'proper' rewards.
However as far as 'too easy' rants go. If it's that easy go and do it yourself also. You will find out soon enough that doing something for a week straight like there is no tomorrow is not as easy as it sounds.
They are talking about state standings, which are significantly harder to obtain than corp standings. ==================================================
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.06.18 11:37:00 -
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Does the title persist after you leave the militia, if so, how long will it take you to get top rank with all 4 factions? ==================================================
I should really get a sig. |
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