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Alistair Cononach The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.12 23:48:00 - [1] Edited by: Alistair Cononach on 12/06/2008 23:53:14 ***Officially Sanctioned Curatores Veritatis Alliance Communication* Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. For Immediate Distribution** In this Blessed year of our Lord, we the Curatores Veritatis Alliance (CVA) raise our voices in devotion and reverence to our most Sacred and Holy Amarr Empire. We speak loudly, so all the lesser Entities within the greater New Eden Galactic Cluster may hear and heed our words: The Curatores Veritatis Alliancehas, like many of the citizens of New Eden, been watching the astonishing developments in interstellar relations very closely over the past few days. We too were shocked at the brazen and unquestioned assault upon Amarrian sovereignty, its citizenry and space by the Matari Elders Fleet. Shocked, but sadly not surprised. The So-called Republic has proven one thing above all else in its brief existenceàthat it is unable and unwilling to control its population, unable and unwilling to enlighten its population to the One True Path of Righteousness and Grace, and it is, simply, another in a long line of Matari anarchist organizations standing in the way of true and lasting peace under God. The situation as it stands today has clearly become untenable. With the outbreak of open hostility and war between the Militia forces of Holy Mother Amarr and the heretical so-called Republic Militia, the CVA stands today as we always have, a loyal bastion of stability and devotion in support of the Amarr Empire. To this end, the CVA hereby declares our support for the efforts of our most Holy Empire in forming the 24th Imperial Crusade. And we encourage our fellow Amarrian citizens to stand up and join the cause, and defend your Empire from those who would do her harm. It is, therefore, with a great measure of personal regret that we find that Holy Mother Empire has not called us to duty to assist directly in this most righteous Crusade. We believe strongly that this insult is not the fault of our Empire, but the fearful reaction of short sighted bureaucrats who apparently claim that the CVA, which has dedicated itself to loyal service to the Empire for five years now, is not to be 'trusted'! We, the CVA, reject this assertion, and eagerly await the day that the more rational Imperial Servants in the bureaucracy see fit to allow the CVA to support this cause with the full force of our Faith and Military might. We are hopeful that when our beloved Empire once again sees a rightful Emperor in place, this topic may be revisited. This issue notwithstanding, we the CVA remain utterly firm in our loyalty and dedication to the Glory of the Amarr Empire, and the purpose to which we have dedicated ourselves all these many years now. This purpose is our most Holy Mandate, the Great Reclaiming, the pacification, colonization and civilizing of the Providence Region in the name of the Amarr Empire. We continue to work daily to make Providence an extention of Amarr, safe for all peaceful citizens, with a thriving economy and safe star systems in which to live and work. We continue to look forward to the day when Providence can be handed back to the Empire, and our work on this will continue unabated. While we have not as yet been called to serve the Crusade directly, the CVA can and will provide support in any and all ways we can to the forces of the 24th Imperial Crusade, and our ongoing clash against the unenlightened Matari anarchists. To this end: --CVA Forces have been authorized to destroy any and all Matari Militia vessels they find. The Enemies of Amarr shall find no safety from the CVA wherever we may meet. --The CVA will shortly be launching "Amarr Aid", a package of economic incentives and benefits which will be made available to selected Commanders and Corporations within the Amarr Militia. More details on how to access Amarr Aid will be released to the appropriate parties shortly. (Continued Below)
Alistair Cononach The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.12 23:49:00 - [2] Edited by: Alistair Cononach on 12/06/2008 23:49:35 (Continued From Above) --The CVA will be mounting enhanced patrols to the Bleak Lands and other low-security hot spots to assist Amarrian militia members in achieving their objectives. These will to some extent be restricted by CONCORD interference, specificly security status issues. And of course, the need to maintain security in Amarrian Providence must take precedence. With this in mind, we will lend as much assistance as we can. One final and very important note on this topic: We the CVA take great pride in our longstanding service to the Empire in bringing peace and safety to all Amarrians and true Neutral citizens who reside with Amarr Empire and Providence space. With that point clear, ANY member of the 24th Imperial Crusade who may choose to ôgo rogueö and engages in the heretical act of piracy against their fellow citizens or against other true neutrals, will be hunted and destroyed with extreme prejudice. Piracy is a devious sin, made more vile if done whilst flying under the flag of Holy Mother Amarr. We therefore very strongly encourage all pilots of the 24th Imperial Crusade to continue the longstanding efforts of your fellow Amarrian Loyalist Organizations, and maintain a strict adherence to NRDS Rules of Engagement while flying within the borders of the Amarr Empire and Amarrian Providence. Again, let us speak plainly and clearly: Piracy in Amarr Space or in Providence will NOT be tolerated in ANY form. Not by the usual suspects, and not by members of the 24th Imperial Militia. Before we conclude this communication, it is also vital that we speak today regarding one other development within our Holy Empire: Like all Amarrians we have witnessed the return of the long-thought-dead Sarumite, Jamyl Sarum, with some degree of trepidation and shock. While we appreciate SarumsÆ apparent service to the Empire in this time of crisis, with must be very open about our concerns regarding the possible breaches of Canonical Law this return may mean. Our current understanding is that Jamyl Sarum cannot and must not again seek our glorious Imperial throne. With that said, at this time the CVA reserves any and all judgment on this development until more information can be acquired and reviewed by our Theological Services division. It is our overarching and ongoing wish to see our beloved Empire once again headed by a rightful, faithful and properly chosen Emperor, in accordance to the traditions and faith we Amarrians hold so dear. We are confident that God will one day answer our prayers. With all praise to our Most Holy and Blessed Lord God. With all praise to Holy Mother Empire. We, the CVA, are your loyal and humble Servants. Now and Forever. Amarr Victor Eternus! *End Communication*
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2008.06.13 00:02:00 - [3] clap clap I think the empire has every right to be proud to have the full support of the CVA. Amarr Victor
Xenea	Posted - 2008.06.13 00:16:00 - [4] It is most unfortunate that petty Holders and CONCORD regulations are preventing the will of Lord God from being executed by some of His most loyal servants. Indeed, very unfortunate but is as ordained by Lord God. I will not question His Wisdom. As always, the stated goals and actions of CVA are most noble. Lord God does not mandate us to only provide Enlightenment to the Matari, but to all peoples, everywhere. Lord God smiles upon the work being done in Providence and surely CVA will continue to be blessed for their work in lower Domain and expanding the Faith into null space. One thing that does concern me in this offical statement, however, is the suggestion that mortal traditions are somehow now "canonical" law. It is simply unacceptable to let these comments go uncontested. Certain newer traditions within the Empire can hardly be described as being Holy, as they are nowhere stated within the strict context of the Scriptures. Hence, they are not canon and not canonical. The Scriptures are Canon, the latest hairstyles on Sarum Prime are not. The reach of Lord God is long, and His Hand stretches well beyond the border of the Empire and into Providence. What He giveth, He can taketh away.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.13 01:21:00 - [5] Amarr Victor. Let's get to work.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.13 01:46:00 - [6] Originally by: Alistair Cononach We therefore very strongly encourage all pilots of the 24th Imperial Crusade to continue the longstanding efforts of your fellow Amarrian Loyalist Organizations, and maintain a strict adherence to NRDS Rules of Engagement while flying within the borders of the Amarr Empire and Amarrian Providence. Again, let us speak plainly and clearly: Piracy in Amarr Space or in Providence will NOT be tolerated in ANY form. While I commend CVA for its announced intention to police acts of piracy committed by its allies (and hope to see evidence of it following through on this promise), I note with a certain amount of curiousity the implied admission in its very carefully chosen words that CVA now supports outright piracy by its allies and others against neutrals outside the boundaries of the Empire. This interests me, because it seems somewhat hypocritical in light of past complaints made by CVA. Before speaking further on this, I'd just like to invite CVA representation to clarify the following interpretation of CVA policy: The CVA policy against piracy described in Alistair Cononach's post above does not apply to acts that (1) would be considered piracy if they took place within certain borders specified by CVA, but that (2) occur outside those borders, even if (3) they are perpetrated against individuals or groups who CVA considers neutral (and who have done nothing to prompt CVA to revise their neutral status). CVA policy does not discourage CVA members from fighting alongside (and/or otherwise support) groups that enlist to support 24th Imperial Crusade but who subsequently proceed to commit such acts, even after evidence is brought to the attention of CVA. Oh, and please keep in mind that attempts to ignore, rephrase, redirect, or otherwise obfuscate in answering the question might well be confused by our "inferior" minds in unpredictable ways. In light of this, I suggest that either a yes answer, or a no answer followed by a simple clarification of the policy, would be most effective.
Pezzle Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.13 03:03:00 - [7] The Ushra Khan are rebels, traitors and pirates. No further clarification needed.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.13 05:00:00 - [8] Edited by: Garreck on 13/06/2008 05:04:43 Cute, Slave-kin. The outbreak of open war and the formation of militias brought forth the need for clarification of CVA's current "Not Red, Don't Shoot" policy. The nuts-and-bolts (since Lord Cononach's prose confuses you) is that we are still "NRDS," with the clarification that the Matari militia and any corporations flying under that banner are now "red" to us...and further clarification that merely flying under the banner of the 24th Crusade does NOT provide protection under which to behave in a pirate-type manner. Nothing else has changed, and I'm not inclined to get into a law-language discussion with a self-acknowledged terrorist over what CVA's definition of piracy has always been. Just can't bring myself to do it.
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.06.13 05:42:00 - [9] "Say, if we left Providence and dedicated ourselves to the 24th Imperial Crusade, it might have more of a chance of winning!" "Yes! So let's not"
Conlin Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.13 06:00:00 - [10] Originally by: Pezzle The Ushra Khan are rebels, traitors and pirates. No further clarification needed. And Pirates ?. Traitors to whom ?, Rebels , terrorists we have been informed about aplenty , now were rebels , terrorists, pirates and traitors . Someones been having a dictionary for breakfast .
Rodj Blake PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.13 07:29:00 - [11] PIE supports the stance of the CVA, and welcomes this statement.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.13 07:40:00 - [12] Amarr Victor.
Bacchanalian Stimulus	Posted - 2008.06.13 08:03:00 - [13] Alistair! They let you in? You must be so proud! Is there a requisite number of hours you must spend sitting in station declaring enemies of the empire irrelevant before CVA considers your application, or did you do that for extra credit?
Ethidium Bromide ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.13 08:04:00 - [14] Amarr victor!
Torak Dakos Dark Sabaoth	Posted - 2008.06.13 08:04:00 - [15] This is good news.
Tharrn Vigilia Valeria Expeditionary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.13 08:49:00 - [16] Welcome to the Crusade. We expected nothing less and look forward to continued cooperation with our brothers from the CVA. Amarr Victor! Deus vult!
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.13 08:50:00 - [17] Originally by: Conlin Traitors to whom ?, Rebels , terrorists we have been informed about aplenty , now were rebels , terrorists, pirates and traitors . Someones been having a dictionary for breakfast . The Amarrians like to call us all the names under the sun in a hope that some of them will stick. I have to admit that if we were pirates we would probably not operate NRDS, but logic is something that god botherers have never really had much truck with. Just goes to show that listening to an Amarrian speak is something that should only be attempted by specially trained stunt-logicians. It will be interesting to fight CVA away from their jumpbridges and cynojammers, but I have to wonder if they are bringing their pets to the party.
Tanorax PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.13 09:17:00 - [18] I well thought out and encouraging response to recent events. I must admit that I have been waiting to see how some of the other Amarrian alliances would react to the recent atrocities and political posturing, and the response of the CVA is both refreshing and hopeful.
Major Death Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.13 09:23:00 - [19] Quote: Piracy in Amarr Space or in Providence will NOT be tolerated in ANY form. Not by the usual suspects, and not by members of the 24th Imperial Militia. So its ok to work with pirates, work with people who work with pirates, and pass off some actions of piracy as 'justiified'. But its not ok to be a pirate?
Hardin	Posted - 2008.06.13 09:29:00 - [20] I have no doubt that when the dust settles and the initial surge of Minmatar passion has been blunted that the we Amarrians - will as always - emerge victorious! Amarr Victor
Reash Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.13 09:39:00 - [21] Originally by: Major Death Quote: Piracy in Amarr Space or in Providence will NOT be tolerated in ANY form. Not by the usual suspects, and not by members of the 24th Imperial Militia. So its ok to work with pirates, work with people who work with pirates, and pass off some actions of piracy as 'justiified'. But its not ok to be a pirate? Not sure what you are getting at, CVA has always had very strict rules against piracy, and this will continue to be upheld, even if the pirate belongs to the Amarrian Militia. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Amandi Casimi Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.13 09:48:00 - [22] Originally by: Major Death Blah Blah Blah Blah You DARE to speak in my presence slave? You DARE to question our policies? I come for your people... And I will kill every last one of them. ------------------------- Let neutrals be neutrals.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.13 10:29:00 - [23] Given your failure to answer my very simple question, I have no choice but to assume the answer is that you are willing to tolerate your allies pirating those who are neutral to you, so long as they do so outside of space you claim to be Amarrian. This is interesting, since you complained incessantly at our policy that was a complete parallel. -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
Reash Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.13 10:36:00 - [24] Originally by: Becq Starforged Given your failure to answer my very simple question, I have no choice but to assume the answer is that you are willing to tolerate your allies pirating those who are neutral to you, so long as they do so outside of space you claim to be Amarrian. This is interesting, since you complained incessantly at our policy that was a complete parallel. Are you implying that we should enforce Amarrian rule on other soverign entities? Quite a change of heart for the Ushra'khan. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Kra RA The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.06.13 10:44:00 - [25] Amarr Victor and our support to CVA. Aegis Militia pilots will be joining CVA fleets supporting Amarrian militias.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.13 10:45:00 - [26] Originally by: Reash Are you implying that we should enforce Amarrian rule on other soverign entities? Quite a change of heart for the Ushra'khan. Becq was talking about your allies. you can tell this because he said "you are willing to tolerate your allies pirating". The fact is that if you are happy to consider pirates to be your allies as long as it goes on elsewhere, you really cant claim to be anti-pirate, or be critical of similar policies other people adopt. We come for our people
Reash Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.13 10:49:00 - [27] Edited by: Reash on 13/06/2008 10:49:58 Originally by: Xennith Originally by: Reash Are you implying that we should enforce Amarrian rule on other soverign entities? Quite a change of heart for the Ushra'khan. Becq was talking about your allies. you can tell this because he said "you are willing to tolerate your allies pirating". The fact is that if you are happy to consider pirates to be your allies as long as it goes on elsewhere, you really cant claim to be anti-pirate, or be critical of similar policies other people adopt. Ah, i think you are now refering to IAC? If IAC choose to shoot people in their space that is their business, we do not expect them to tell us who we can and cannot shoot in Holy Amarrian Providence and we do not expect to make their rules for Catch. I am not quite sure what your point is. Perhaps if you stopped being so vague? ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.13 10:50:00 - [28] Edited by: Becq Starforged on 13/06/2008 10:52:02 Are slavers even capable of responding to a comment or question without dodging to one side or another? My simple accusation is this: your policy tolerates pirate who merely restrain themselves in your territory in exchange for your tolerance. You see nothing wrong with allying yourself with pirates so long as they fight for your interests. In particular, it does not bother you to invite pirates into your 'crusades' so long as they practice their profession on neutrals or friendlies elsewhere. Does this remind you of past conversations with my brethren? -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
Reash Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.13 10:54:00 - [29] Originally by: Becq Starforged Are slavers even capable of responding to a comment or question without dodging to one side or another? My simple accusation is this: your policy tolerates pirate who merely restrain themselves in your territory in exchange for your tolerance. You see nothing wrong with allying yourself with pirates so long as they fight for your interests. Does this remind you of past conversations with my brethren? We simply cannot know the history and reasons for aggression for every pilot, we therefore restrict ourselves to those we can be sure of...piracy within Amarrian space. Although, to answer your question more directly. No we shall not be mimicing the Ushra'khan policy of inviting pirates to help us and allow them to shoot our allies in the process...our own policy clearly states that even if an Amarraian militia member were to do this...they would be made Kill on sight. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Daziel Iaar PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:12:00 - [30] I'm sure the reasons for incessant questioning is mainly down to the fact he's can't quite believe your policy is that good. Maybe if Ushra khan acted like this originally, they wouldn't be stuck in the middle of no where fighting wars with nothing but words as support, either way they would ultimately fail for God watches over those who serve him. "His Will Be Done"

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