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Gabriel Virtus
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Posted - 2008.06.11 00:59:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Virtus on 11/06/2008 01:02:10 With the last few patches, it is getting a little suspicious that CCP does hate Gallente. First, drones are nerfed (Vexor now does more DPS than a Myrmidon), second, damps are nerfed( Gallente EWAR? nope ), the final straw, they made the best looking covops in the game now the most hideous ( Why would they even do that? ). It must be true, CCP hates Gallente.
I wonder when this trend might stop? From the looks of things, I might as well start training some other race... :(
-Gabriel
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Raniss
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:05:00 -
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Now comes the funny fact: People that used amarr where whining they needed a buff. After they buffed the laser tracking and gave the zealot and omen a 5th gun, and switching the normal apoc and navypocs bonusses and give it a optimal range bonus, all the amarr whines dissapeared (Exept the pilgrim whines). Seems like amarr wasnt to underpowered?
And yes, seems like ccp doesnt like gallente.
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Lorz0r
Black Water.
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:06:00 -
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oh boo hoo ccp nerfed the myrmidon! they should have left it alone, because soloing battleships with EASE just wasn't easy enough. the ship was hugely overpowered. dry your eyes. before you start complaining it can still sport a better tank than a drake and still do more dps.
I fly caldari/minmatar and i will admit the falcon is a pretty damn awesome ship atm but caldari dont have much going for them. we have the raven which is arguably on par with the other battleships, the drake and the falcon and thats pretty much it.
so no, ccp dont hate gallenete - they are still the no.1 for pvp in this game and its not even arguable.
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Atsuko Ratu
VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:08:00 -
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Wow! The vexor outdpses the myrm??
Starting a nerf the vexor trend now.
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Kawaii Sakura
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:13:00 -
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whahah funny. Before the Gallente started to get nerfed, Caldari got nerfed for a year. So wait for another 6 months. Dampsships might get buffed
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Gabriel Virtus
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:15:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Virtus on 11/06/2008 01:15:49
Originally by: Lorz0r oh boo hoo ccp nerfed the myrmidon! they should have left it alone, because soloing battleships with EASE just wasn't easy enough. the ship was hugely overpowered. dry your eyes. before you start complaining it can still sport a better tank than a drake and still do more dps.
I fly caldari/minmatar and i will admit the falcon is a pretty damn awesome ship atm but caldari dont have much going for them. we have the raven which is arguably on par with the other battleships, the drake and the falcon and thats pretty much it.
so no, ccp dont hate gallenete - they are still the no.1 for pvp in this game and its not even arguable.
Oh I am sorry, did I say that the myrm shouldn't have been nerfed? Nope, I didn't. The Myrm should have been nerfed because it was overpowered, but a cut in the dps from 5 heavies, to 3 heavies was a bit drastic. Soloing a battleship with EASE can be done in almost any ship in the game. The script nerf to damps was a bit much. Why would you even respond to a thread where you just say "it's not even arguable"? Frankly, I think that sort of claim is quite ridiculous.
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Billy Merc
ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.11 01:38:00 -
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Free cheese for all in these thread....to go with your...
Oh fyi if you think DPS is the only thing that wins a fight...u are playing thr wrong game...sure vexor can out dps a myrm..but even so is the vexor gunna last long in a fight ??...i think not..myrm is a great ship as is it tanks like a biech..its kinda sexy...and u have lots of options..
as for damps im glad they got hit with the bat tbh...keep them in line with nos (pilgrim)..if they where to make ECM a 100% thing and not a chanced based thing i would support scripting ECM...but until they make ECM 100% and not chanced based...im happy with the way things are...and no i dont fly falcons or rooks or any ecm ship..
dont bother training for another race purly for the reasons u have listed..all races get hit with the bat eventually...gotta start looking at what your ships CAN do instead of what they cant
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Umar Khattab
Federation Zone Operations Command
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Posted - 2008.06.11 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Merc Free cheese for all in these thread....to go with your...
Oh fyi if you think DPS is the only thing that wins a fight...u are playing thr wrong game...sure vexor can out dps a myrm..but even so is the vexor gunna last long in a fight ??...i think not..myrm is a great ship as is it tanks like a biech..its kinda sexy...and u have lots of options..
as for damps im glad they got hit with the bat tbh...keep them in line with nos (pilgrim)..if they where to make ECM a 100% thing and not a chanced based thing i would support scripting ECM...but until they make ECM 100% and not chanced based...im happy with the way things are...and no i dont fly falcons or rooks or any ecm ship..
dont bother training for another race purly for the reasons u have listed..all races get hit with the bat eventually...gotta start looking at what your ships CAN do instead of what they cant
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Raniss
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Posted - 2008.06.11 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: Umar Khattab
Originally by: Billy Merc Free cheese for all in these thread....to go with your...
Oh fyi if you think DPS is the only thing that wins a fight...u are playing thr wrong game...sure vexor can out dps a myrm..but even so is the vexor gunna last long in a fight ??...i think not..myrm is a great ship as is it tanks like a biech..its kinda sexy...and u have lots of options..
as for damps im glad they got hit with the bat tbh...keep them in line with nos (pilgrim)..if they where to make ECM a 100% thing and not a chanced based thing i would support scripting ECM...but until they make ECM 100% and not chanced based...im happy with the way things are...and no i dont fly falcons or rooks or any ecm ship..
dont bother training for another race purly for the reasons u have listed..all races get hit with the bat eventually...gotta start looking at what your ships CAN do instead of what they cant
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So amarr basicly are the only ones with rights for full 25+ pages full of whining about underpowered ships? |
Gabriel Virtus
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Posted - 2008.06.11 02:09:00 -
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Hmm, I guess there is some sort of tragedy in the loss of the subtleties of human emotion when typing on a forum. The post is half-joking. It is poking fun at CCP racism issues. :P
-Gabriel |
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Umar Khattab
Federation Zone Operations Command
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Posted - 2008.06.11 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Raniss
Originally by: Umar Khattab
Originally by: Billy Merc Free cheese for all in these thread....to go with your...
Oh fyi if you think DPS is the only thing that wins a fight...u are playing thr wrong game...sure vexor can out dps a myrm..but even so is the vexor gunna last long in a fight ??...i think not..myrm is a great ship as is it tanks like a biech..its kinda sexy...and u have lots of options..
as for damps im glad they got hit with the bat tbh...keep them in line with nos (pilgrim)..if they where to make ECM a 100% thing and not a chanced based thing i would support scripting ECM...but until they make ECM 100% and not chanced based...im happy with the way things are...and no i dont fly falcons or rooks or any ecm ship..
dont bother training for another race purly for the reasons u have listed..all races get hit with the bat eventually...gotta start looking at what your ships CAN do instead of what they cant
exactly
So amarr basicly are the only ones with rights for full 25+ pages full of whining about underpowered ships?
All whiners are just boring AND ridiculous. You don't like a ship, you train for another one. Period. |
cal nereus
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.11 02:14:00 -
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Nerfing happens in a cycle apparently. Wait for the cycle to hit a couple other races later, then you'll feel better. Luckily I don't care. I do what I can, and don't think about doing what I can't. |
Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.11 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: cal nereus Nerfing happens in a cycle apparently. Wait for the cycle to hit a couple other races later, then you'll feel better. Luckily I don't care. I do what I can, and don't think about doing what I can't.
It's what alts are for.
-Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.06.11 03:17:00 -
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and how does the vexor do more dps than a myrm?
and if you want to compare glass tank fits, remember the mrym has higher base hp, also 50m3 extra room.
damps on specialized ships may need a bit of a buff, but when you can drop a ship to 9km lock range and terrible scan res on a non spec ship well, thats no fun. that and when flown with say falcons in gang the arazu is still rather nasty. If the falcon misses a jam that could give that ship enough time to target and kill the falcon, or neut the tackler or something. |
Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.11 03:23:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 11/06/2008 03:24:14
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton and how does the vexor do more dps than a myrm?
and if you want to compare glass tank fits, remember the mrym has higher base hp, also 50m3 extra room.
damps on specialized ships may need a bit of a buff, but when you can drop a ship to 9km lock range and terrible scan res on a non spec ship well, thats no fun. that and when flown with say falcons in gang the arazu is still rather nasty. If the falcon misses a jam that could give that ship enough time to target and kill the falcon, or neut the tackler or something.
On the flip side, when you can't even knock someone down to 20km lock range with instant lock time with a rigged specialized ship, it's no fun. :)
The damp nerf went way too far. Hell, the damp nerf even nerfed the gang mod. We can't even fly in gangs to be useful.
-Liang
Ed: I just want to put forward that CCP believes both the Pilgrim and Gallente recons to be performing their role (sucking) admirably. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.06.11 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 11/06/2008 03:24:14
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton and how does the vexor do more dps than a myrm?
and if you want to compare glass tank fits, remember the mrym has higher base hp, also 50m3 extra room.
damps on specialized ships may need a bit of a buff, but when you can drop a ship to 9km lock range and terrible scan res on a non spec ship well, thats no fun. that and when flown with say falcons in gang the arazu is still rather nasty. If the falcon misses a jam that could give that ship enough time to target and kill the falcon, or neut the tackler or something.
On the flip side, when you can't even knock someone down to 20km lock range with instant lock time with a rigged specialized ship, it's no fun. :)
The damp nerf went way too far. Hell, the damp nerf even nerfed the gang mod. We can't even fly in gangs to be useful.
-Liang
Ed: I just want to put forward that CCP believes both the Pilgrim and Gallente recons to be performing their role (sucking) admirably.
right, I don't have the numbers to make that decision though. |
Nomakai Delateriel
Shadow Company Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.06.11 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Raniss Now comes the funny fact: People that used amarr where whining they needed a buff. After they buffed the laser tracking and gave the zealot and omen a 5th gun, and switching the normal apoc and navypocs bonusses and give it a optimal range bonus, all the amarr whines dissapeared (Exept the pilgrim whines). Seems like amarr wasnt to underpowered?
Amarr WERE underpowered. The complaints have disappeared NOW after:
1. Complete overhaul of the entire Khanid line of ships. Damnation, Vengeance, Malediction and Sacrilege changed from failboats to good ships (compared to it's equivalents in the case of the Vengeance). 2. Increased number of guns on the Omen and Zealot (increased grid and CPU as well?). 3. Incorporated the Apocs (and navy apocs) capacitor bonus into the base stats and gave it a 7.5% optimal bonus instead. Also buffed the Apocs grid and CPU. 4. Gave pulse lasers a tracking bonus. 5. Reduced the EM resistance on all armor by 10%, giving lasers and EM missiles a 20%-25% damage buff. 6. Buffed tracking disruptors to reduced fall-off as well. 7. Gave the Amarr line-up a decent faction cruiser.
I call that pretty extensive changes. Finally the overall Amarr line-up is good, something which haven't been the case since the massive nerfs following in the wake of the gankageddon exploits. |
Siigari Kitawa
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.06.11 03:40:00 -
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The problem here is that instead of not just boosting one race, they boost the race THEN nerf the other race.
That doesn't balance, that just unbalances it all over again.
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ceyriot
Induseng Enterprises R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.06.11 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Wow! The vexor outdpses the myrm?? Starting a nerf the vexor trend now.
That can't be true...If it is, it means I can kill myrms with my Osprey! (as I have killed multiple Vexors with it).
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BiggestT
Fun Inc Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.06.11 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Lorz0r oh boo hoo ccp nerfed the myrmidon! they should have left it alone, because soloing battleships with EASE just wasn't easy enough. the ship was hugely overpowered. dry your eyes. before you start complaining it can still sport a better tank than a drake and still do more dps.
I fly caldari/minmatar and i will admit the falcon is a pretty damn awesome ship atm but caldari dont have much going for them. we have the raven which is arguably on par with the other battleships, the drake and the falcon and thats pretty much it.
so no, ccp dont hate gallenete - they are still the no.1 for pvp in this game and its not even arguable.
with good hybrid skills the rokh is v nice, as is the eagle and vulture. The ferox just got a boost and is a petty cool ship now.
Also the scorp is one badass mofo, i love that damn thing.
But gallente arent hated, u see that ship called a megathron? yeah that one..how is that a ccp hate product?? lol
Boost Field commands! they need love :( |
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BiggestT
Fun Inc Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.06.11 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Virtus Hmm, I guess there is some sort of tragedy in the loss of the subtleties of human emotion when typing on a forum. The post is half-joking. It is poking fun at CCP racism issues. :P
-Gabriel
LOL thats a load of bs (not the ship) u werent joking at all, ur just annoyed that gallnete are getting their cycle turn for nerfs and u cross-trained to gallente. Deal with it.
Boost Field commands! they need love :( |
Terianna Eri
Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.06.11 04:20:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel 2. Increased number of guns on the Omen and Zealot (increased grid and CPU as well?).
I think the Zealot got like 5 cpu long before the extra turret got put on.
Omen hasn't gotten fitting buffs and it makes me sad __________________________________
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Lady Katrana
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Posted - 2008.06.11 04:27:00 -
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Looking at the thorax I can say that CCP love the gallente. |
Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.11 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Katrana Looking at the thorax I can say that CCP love the gallente.
Looking at the Helios, I can say that CCP hates Gallente. :-)
-Liang |
Terianna Eri
Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.06.11 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Lady Katrana Looking at the thorax I can say that CCP love the gallente.
Looking at the Helios, I can say that CCP hates Gallente. :-)
-Liang
While I agree with you, if this logic were sound, we would have had to believe that CCP loves Amarr most of all __________________________________
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Pax Empyrean
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Posted - 2008.06.11 05:28:00 -
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Suggesting that CCP is tweaking races because they "hate" or "love" strikes me as a littl odd. They're trying to balance the game; whether they succeeded or not is entirely debatable, but questioning their motives like this is just dumb. |
Ezekiel Sulastin
Central Research Nexus
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Posted - 2008.06.11 05:28:00 -
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Gabriel, get training; Amarr just got buffed.
It doesn't take much to see that the Gallente are in the deep end of the getting crapped on cycle. You picked a bad time to start training it, and I picked a bad race to be getting all of the higher-end skills for now - hell, even our STORYLINE is getting crapped upon by CCP. Such is life.
And to all the other people whining about how great it is that they have revenge, screw off. To the devs that think damps are fine, screw off too. |
Felix Dzerzhinsky
Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.11 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: Raniss
Originally by: Umar Khattab
Originally by: Billy Merc Free cheese for all in these thread....to go with your...
Oh fyi if you think DPS is the only thing that wins a fight...u are playing thr wrong game...sure vexor can out dps a myrm..but even so is the vexor gunna last long in a fight ??...i think not..myrm is a great ship as is it tanks like a biech..its kinda sexy...and u have lots of options..
as for damps im glad they got hit with the bat tbh...keep them in line with nos (pilgrim)..if they where to make ECM a 100% thing and not a chanced based thing i would support scripting ECM...but until they make ECM 100% and not chanced based...im happy with the way things are...and no i dont fly falcons or rooks or any ecm ship..
dont bother training for another race purly for the reasons u have listed..all races get hit with the bat eventually...gotta start looking at what your ships CAN do instead of what they cant
exactly
So amarr basicly are the only ones with rights for full 25+ pages full of whining about underpowered ships?
way back when, before you started playing, in the pre-T2 days, it was the Minmatar that cried. The tourch gets passed around. . .don't think its just the Amarr that have held it. |
Lysander Kaldenn
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Posted - 2008.06.11 06:20:00 -
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This is probably the funniest thing i have read all week. Poor Devs.... If the races ever were perfectly balanced, how would anyone know since the losers flying the fail-o-matic setups would still be trolling thier days away on these forums whining about the fact that they lost a fight and thus there must be something with thier ship. Put some thought into it... 99% of the time you lose because A.) your fit was bad B.) you got blobbed or let yourself get blobbed C.) murphy's law D.) you are a moron who should probably go back to mission running and join Take Care. |
Unreal5
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.11 06:50:00 -
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Yes they do |
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Ender Flagrante
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Posted - 2008.06.11 07:22:00 -
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I definitely don't think that CCP "hates" Gallente. We have a number of great ships that perform their roles very well. That being said, there are a few modest changes I would like to see:
1) Change the all falloff bonuses to either tracking or optimal bonuses. Falloff bonuses for hybrid turrets are nearly useless since hybrids don't have very good base falloff ranges. An optimal bonus is good for both blasters and rails, as is a tracking bonus. Changing the falloff bonus would make the Gallente ships that use that bonus more versatile.
2) Increase the Myrm's drone bandwidth to 100Mb/s. The Myrm depends almost entirely on its drones for damage since it does not get a turret bonus. It only makes sense that it should have a drone bandwidth between that of the cruiser drone boat (Vexor) and the BS drone boat (Dominix). Maybe combine this with a shield recharge nerf to ensure that the insane shield tanks of the past are not possible.
3) Make the changes that CCP initially proposed for the Deimos, only swap a high for a mid rather than a low for a mid. This would give the Deimos a slot layout of 5/4/6 (+1 mid, -1 high), a cap capacity of 1625 (+250), and would replace the MWD cap penalty reduction with a armor rep bonus (7.5%/Gallente Cruiser level). Combined with the falloff bonus change described in point 1, this would make the Deimos more than just a fragile blaster platform.
4) Create an armor repper equivalent to the shield boost amplifier. Gallente ships seem to have two options right now, dual rep or plate + trimark. Since the dual repper option is very powergrid and cap intensive, most PvP uses buffer tanks. A module that boosted either the rep amount or cycle time of an armor repairer would give both PvP and PvE players a middle road that might make active armor tanking more attractive while not giving such a large boost that it would make the game unbalanced.
5) Boost Sensor Damps for the Gallente Recons and EWar ships. Either boost the bonus to effectiveness, or make the bonus apply to both effectiveness and range. If a Caldari Recon can jam a ship at 200km, a Gallente Recon should be able to damp that ship at a similar range. |
Dr Gonzo999
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Posted - 2008.06.11 07:45:00 -
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Is it cos I is Gallente? |
deadmeet
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:02:00 -
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CCP always loved gallente more than other races... now they love them all equally...
You used to have overpowered ship, so learn to play with with equal forces now ;)
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Heyssessini
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:17:00 -
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everyone hates gallente Hate Hate Gallente puke
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Cautet
Precision Engineering Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.11 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Cautet on 11/06/2008 11:55:21 Whines about a whole race are ALWAYS STUPID. Whining about Galenti having one ugly ship though - seriously, try flying Mim or Caldari.
It can only be individual ships you have a problem with.
And even here, the ability/ease/difficulty to crosstrain has to be taken into account.
For co-ops its like 6 days to train for another races co-ops. I don't really see the point in moaning about something when in 6 days you can train to another ship with the same support skills. That's if you really care about how a ship looks.
Arazu and Lachesis are now too much a jack of all trades master of none since the damp changes. People still fly them, although yeah they could do with a damp boost to str and/or range.
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Spectre3353
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.06.11 12:47:00 -
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Yea the Myrm has absolutely no advantages over the Vexor. It's not like it has way more HP, more drone bay, way more mod slots and ship bonuses that allow it to fit a pretty massive tank for a BC. Why would anyone ever want to fly a Myrm? What a terrible ship!
This sarcasm brought to you courtesy of me. ----- http://evenewb.blogspot.com/
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Osric Wuscfrea
Icarus' Wings
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Cautet Edited by: Cautet on 11/06/2008 11:55:21 Whines about a whole race are ALWAYS STUPID. Whining about Galenti having one ugly ship though - seriously, try flying Mim or Caldari.
What do you mean 1! The Domi got hit with the ugly stick after a BIG run up... |
Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.06.11 13:21:00 -
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I don't think they hate anyone. They just get those "ideas" when they have downed ten beers and get pwned by a certain ship... "NERT THAT ONE!!!" Being a dev does have it's good sides too ;) |
Cautet
Precision Engineering Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:02:00 -
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Edited by: Cautet on 11/06/2008 14:04:54
Originally by: Ender Flagrante ....there are a few modest changes I would like to see:
4) Create an armor repper equivalent to the shield boost amplifier. Gallente ships seem to have two options right now, dual rep or plate + trimark. Since the dual repper option is very powergrid and cap intensive, most PvP uses buffer tanks. A module that boosted either the rep amount or cycle time of an armor repairer would give both PvP and PvE players a middle road that might make active armor tanking more attractive while not giving such a large boost that it would make the game unbalanced.
I'm struggling to think of one active shield tank pvp boat, sub-capital that is anyway. Active armor tanking for pvp can be usefull depending on the ship and how it's going to be used. Active shield tanking in pvp is not really that usefull. |
Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:04:00 -
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About time for Gallente to feel like the neglected race!
But as long as mega's are the premier PvP BS I don't think you can complain. |
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Daer Vechesier
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lysander Kaldenn This is probably the funniest thing i have read all week. Poor Devs.... If the races ever were perfectly balanced, how would anyone know since the losers flying the fail-o-matic setups would still be trolling thier days away on these forums whining about the fact that they lost a fight and thus there must be something with thier ship. Put some thought into it... 99% of the time you lose because A.) your fit was bad B.) you got blobbed or let yourself get blobbed C.) murphy's law D.) you are a moron who should probably go back to mission running and join Take Care.
This.
And please give the omen 300 MW more powergrid so it can compete with the thorax. |
MotoMissles
Rim Collection RC Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:42:00 -
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U know what I say?
Suck it up, adapt, move on. |
fivetide humidyear
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:49:00 -
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over time make yourself nerf proof, train all t2 medium weapons and all cruiser 5's, this way you can't be caught out, will have access to all ships and BC's...
but you do need to be careful on what race to take to BS* and beyond
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Crellion
Art of War Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.11 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: fivetide humidyear over time make yourself nerf proof, train all t2 medium weapons and all cruiser 5's, this way you can't be caught out, will have access to all ships and BC's...
but you do need to be careful on what race to take to BS* and beyond
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*any except matari....
QFT Gallente + Caldari or Ammar + Caldari BS5
and 4xcruiser 5s give you 8 HACS 8 reckons 4 HICs 8 Commands and generally make your sexlife worthwhile... who needs cap skils ...
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