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Monsieur Bages
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Posted - 2008.05.31 13:47:00 -
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Have people stopped flying T2 ships, or have they just stopped losing them? Has the market been flooded with new inventors? For some reason, T2 BPC-prices are now below the statistical average cost. Example, real values: Accordina to Jita prices, a Datacore - Minmatar Starship Engineering costs 200.000 isk. A Datacore - Mechanical Engineering costs 270.000 isk. A 15-run Stabber blueprint costs 2.000.000 isk. For each vagabond bpc you need 8 of each. That is 1.600.000 isk + 2.160.000 isk + 2.000.000 isk which is a total of 5.760.000 isk. For each vagabond invention job you have a 31.5% chance of succes if you have the relevant skills maxed out and don't use decryptors. A 1-run bpc me-4 pe-4 would cost 18.285.714 isk Using the same kind of math on the Sabre, the price would be 5760000 as this has a 50% chance of succes. The Sabre BPC is sold for 3.000.000 ISK. And the Vagabond is sold for less than 19.000.000 ISK (the one at 19.000.000 isk isn't selling., though some at 15m have been)
Why is this? Will it change? Will the market adjust?
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2008.05.31 14:21:00 -
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can i have your stuff ^^
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Demtalin le'Mercennaire
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.05.31 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: Demtalin le''Mercennaire on 31/05/2008 14:25:57 Edit: Damnit, beaten to the chase. -------- Billy Jean is not my lover |
Qaedienne
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Posted - 2008.05.31 14:32:00 -
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Lol, wut?
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Sophie Daigneau
Risky Advanced Production Enterprises GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.31 15:11:00 -
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Most T2 ships are not worth inventing. On top of that, most BPC's are generally not worth inventing with the goal of resale since anyone who can do the production, can also do the invention easily enough. Most likely those low sales prices are from folks who invented the bpc, then realized how dumb they were because the ship wasn't worth building so they're trying to recoup some of their investment.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.31 15:40:00 -
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Stuff doesn't sell at cost, it sells at worth. Well, somewhere in-between anyway. So, the problem is not with those that don't buy it or somesuch things, instead it's with the people who MADE that BPC in the first place.
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Athre
The HIgher Standard
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Posted - 2008.05.31 19:24:00 -
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This is why anyone inventing needs to consider the going rate of the end product and the cost of invention BEFORE they start.
If the margin is not there, better off selling the minerals than going through all the hassle.
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Asith
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Posted - 2008.05.31 20:13:00 -
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Its simple, people with the BPO can produces ships alot cheaper than an inventor, therefore can sell cheaper and still make profit, as the demand for T2 ships is lower than T2 modules or T1 ships (say 1-5 a day in each region per ship class, while modules are around 100 per days per region), over flooding of the market, as the poeple with the BPOs can produce enough to supply the demand, this means the prices are low enough to cause the person inventing the ship BPC to make a loss / a really really small profit, so they are stopping inventing and selll off any jobs they did.
ATM the demand is not big enough for the BPO owners and the inventors, try doing modules if you are hell bent on inventing but as i have found the t2 module prices are falling rapidly while material prices are increasing,
put it this way i had a module i invented, lets call it X
Module X (10 runs) cost 5 million to invent and build 2-3 months ago and sold for 10million
Now its costs 7 million to invent and build and sells for 9 million
At this moment in time i would say do not bother with T2 ships invention, its not worth it, stick to modules but try to vary whihc modules you build and try and do some BPO research instead. Wait untill FW (not long) then watch the markets see if demand increases enough to make it worthwhile to invent ships (idealy under 25 units on the market with it selling at 2-5 a day but tbh i dont see this happening)
just my 2 pence
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Cpt Fina
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2008.05.31 22:34:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Fina on 31/05/2008 22:35:42
Originally by: Asith Its simple, people with the BPO can produces ships alot cheaper than an inventor, therefore can sell cheaper and still make profit, as the demand for T2 ships is lower than T2 modules or T1 ships (say 1-5 a day in each region per ship class, while modules are around 100 per days per region), over flooding of the market, as the poeple with the BPOs can produce enough to supply the demand, this means the prices are low enough to cause the person inventing the ship BPC to make a loss / a really really small profit, so they are stopping inventing and selll off any jobs they did.
If supply decreases the price will rise and thus the demand will decrease. What I'm saying is that even if there only was 1 Hulk BPO in Eve it would produce enough to cover the demand. The demand occuring when pricelevels are at (probably) several billion isks per hulk. The people who can't afford it, maybe still wants a hulk, but they have no buyingpower at the pricelevel and thus don't demand it.
Originally by: Asith
ATM the demand is not big enough for the BPO owners and the inventors /.../ Wait untill FW (not long) then watch the markets see if demand increases enough to make it worthwhile to invent ships ...
What you're complaining about is most likely not the effects of low demand but the result of a priceequilibrium in a highly competitive market. Statistically you're not expected to earn anything on your products on a fully competitive one.
As long as there is profit more and more people will enter the market and drive the price down. This is the result of too few entrybarriers in a market, not the result of their existence. The people who are able to produce t2 items with costs below the average producer will earn money. T2 BPOs are not ruining invention. Invention is "ruining" invention.
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Ramblin Man
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.05.31 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Asith Its simple,
[1] people with the BPO can produces ships alot cheaper than an inventor, therefore can sell cheaper and still make profit,
[2] as the demand for T2 ships is lower than T2 modules or T1 ships (say 1-5 a day in each region per ship class, while modules are around 100 per days per region),
[3] over flooding of the market, as the poeple with the BPOs can produce enough to supply the demand
You really need to rethink your points. [1]MLCalc some stuff [2]... RMR called, it wants its statistics back [3]So that's why T2 prices were at current levels before invention?
Welcome to the dark side old friend. .Shar Where we hate people through words. |
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CmdDesaster
Marquie-X Corp Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.01 02:00:00 -
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Edited by: CmdDesaster on 01/06/2008 02:00:32
Originally by: Monsieur Bages statistical average
^u see the error?
Quote:
Why is this? Will it change? Will the market adjust?
You will know,.. afterwards.
/me is sick of those OMFG-MARKET-IS-SCRWEDED-WHERE-IS-MY-PARACHUTO-POSTS
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Wieting Foyu
Product Number 3
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Posted - 2008.06.01 02:03:00 -
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Edited by: Wieting Foyu on 01/06/2008 02:04:02 I personally believe it has something to do with the insurance. You buy a t2 ship for the cost of at least production then platinum insurance only pays out around 5% of what you paid for the ship. So MOST pilots are less willing to use it as a primary ship to go playing around in to get blown up when the t1 version is just as good and you get a full insurance pay out to buy the same ship and do it again.
EDIT: added the word "most" as I personally will use any ship..
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Shakuul
Extreme Addiction
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Posted - 2008.06.01 04:31:00 -
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Like other people have said, you can blame dumb manufacturers for making T2 item XYZ unprofitable. They think "OH LOOK T2 MUST ALWAYS BE PROFITABLE...LETS MAKE SUM T2!1!1!" Too bad they're wrong, and like Akita said they sell at a loss, cutting into your margins.
I don't know why you're complaining...just don't invent if you care about profit.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.06.01 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Shakuul if you care about profit.
Be very careful using this combination of words. Might get you banned from this forum.
To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean. |
Shakuul
Extreme Addiction
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Posted - 2008.06.01 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Shakuul if you care about profit.
Be very careful using this combination of words. Might get you banned from this forum.
clearly logic and reason have no place on these forums.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.06.01 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Shakuul if you care about profit.
Sorry, didn't emphasize this correctly. There should be no "if" when it comes down to caring about profit.
To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean. |
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