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Bufo8o2
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Posted - 2008.05.29 21:27:00 -
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Would it be worth going for the assault ships rather than up to larger ships (cruisers etc.). What skills other than the necessary ones would be useful for a caldari assault ship (probably the harpy)? Haven't been playing for that long but like the idea of them, though do you need lots of additional skills to make them effective?
Also can they do level II missions (with moderate level fittings) or would it be quite tricky? Thanks for any replies.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2008.05.29 21:55:00 -
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Assault frigs can do lvl 2 missions quite well, in fact I have done lvl 3 missions in an AF (with good fittings). Cruisers may be better/easier for lvl 2 missions though.
AFs generally aren't considered to be very suited for PvP, they're not fast/agile enough.
Skills wise, AFs require the same weapon/tank skills as ordinary frigates but keep in mind you'll want to pimp your T2 ship with T2 fittings and good support skills.
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Bufo8o2
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Posted - 2008.05.30 16:38:00 -
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Thanks for the help, what exactly do you recommend by support skills?
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Nariana Verex
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.05.30 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Bufo8o2 Thanks for the help, what exactly do you recommend by support skills?
Not being a mind taker, I can only assume they mean skills that affect your ship as a whole. Your nav skills, cap related skills, a good hunk of tom-gunnery is good too.
My personal rule of thumb is to not fly it unless you have all the skills that affect your ship/mods at level 4, but thats just me.
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Vanessa Vasquez
planet eyeQ
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Posted - 2008.05.30 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nariana Verex My personal rule of thumb is to not fly it unless you have all the skills that affect your ship/mods at level 4, but thats just me.
totally agree. AF is good for any lvl2 complex or cosmos, or even anti frigate warfare. Though you might not see much frigs in pvp, except some ore thieves here and there
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Sharida
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Posted - 2008.05.30 19:24:00 -
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AF are well used against other frigates, and some cruisers with the right modules.
Flying a Harpy, good skills would include Small hybrid turret 5 and the small rail specialization to 3 or 4.
Weapon upgrades would help for the CPU fitting as well as opening up the modules themselves (you would use magnetic stabilizers)
Controlled bursts, trajectory analysys, sharpshooting, and the other gunnery skills would be best at 3 or 4 for the Harpy.
Long range targeting and sugnal analysis may help as well.
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Kakizaki
Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2008.05.30 21:24:00 -
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If you are mainly going to be mission running, I really would recommend getting the cruiser first.
The main reason is this, ISK. AF's are about the same price as a cruiser, but a T1 cruiser can be fully insured. Its usually not advisable to insure T2 ships at all.
Plus, LvL 3 missions will need a fleet of AF's where a good cruiser or Battle Cruiser can handle lvl 3's no problem.
AF's are great ships for specific uses. But many hard lvl 2 and lvl 3 missions will be a lot more challenging in an AF than in a cruiser...and if you lose the ship, the difference between having insurance and not having it can be pretty nasty early on.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2008.05.31 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kakizaki The main reason is this, ISK. AF's are about the same price as a cruiser, but a T1 cruiser can be fully insured. Its usually not advisable to insure T2 ships at all.
Whether the insurance covers (almost) the full price of a ship or not, getting insurance is always a good idea if you expect to lose a ship within the insurance term. You put in x isk and get 3 times as much back, that's free isk you're getting there...
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314159265
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:42:00 -
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I did a lot lvl 3 missions in my wolf, just for the fun of it. It can be done, is a bit slow but not that hard...
All T2 fitted except for the AB, gistii B-type.
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Kyusoath Orillian
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.06.03 19:10:00 -
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i have a very expensivly fitted hawk, amazing fun in high sec, to play around with. gistii small SB and 1mn AB's are cheap, you could even go get them your self easily given time.
with high level fitting skills you can milk a lot of dps and tank out of them. its not the most bang for your buck , but if you are like me, you just like being in small ships.
PS: assault ships will one day get a buff, the devs have said so . its gonna happen soon .really soon. in 2010
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Resamo
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Posted - 2008.06.03 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador Assault frigs can do lvl 2 missions quite well, in fact I have done lvl 3 missions in an AF (with good fittings). Cruisers may be better/easier for lvl 2 missions though.
AFs generally aren't considered to be very suited for PvP, they're not fast/agile enough.
Skills wise, AFs require the same weapon/tank skills as ordinary frigates but keep in mind you'll want to pimp your T2 ship with T2 fittings and good support skills.
I have run a few level 4's in a harpy as well, took me a while those bs take a while to kill... still it is possible (this was with excellent skills and very nice fitting)
I would never do it again because it just took to long
I Have also run level 3's in a rocket crow... its all about the bling baby.
But i would not aim for assault frigs atm... they are nice to have and you will probably have the skills for them anyways latter on
Frig 5 - interceptors Assault ships - needed for heavy assault ships
So as a goal probably pointless better to go for interceptors and heavy assaults and then you will ahve the assaults just as a bonus.
Or train them and then you have the base skills to branch to heavy assaults and interceptors...
In the end what do i know? and what does anyone else know? nothing compared to what you know about your play style and what you like.
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Kyusoath Orillian
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.06.03 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Resamo
In the end what do i know? and what does anyone else know? nothing compared to what you know about your play style and what you like.
awesome line. very true.
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MalVortex
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.03 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Bufo8o2 Would it be worth going for the assault ships rather than up to larger ships (cruisers etc.). What skills other than the necessary ones would be useful for a caldari assault ship (probably the harpy)? Haven't been playing for that long but like the idea of them, though do you need lots of additional skills to make them effective?
Also can they do level II missions (with moderate level fittings) or would it be quite tricky? Thanks for any replies.
Buy a Caracal. AF's are too skill intensive, too risky, and too expensive for a new player running level 2 missions. Caracal will outperform an AF in every way possible for your usage scenario.
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Kusha'an
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.06 14:43:00 -
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Well, one benefit to training for AFs is that it helps unlock interceptors and starts you on the way to getting a HAC.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.07 10:49:00 -
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Assault Ships are not especially popular at the moment.
For PvE, a cruiser can do just as well, for less isk and training.
For PvP, they are not popular. They lack the speed that Frig hull ships need for "most" small ship roles, and their toughness is generally viewed as not "enough" to make up the difference.
This is not to say that they "suck". They don't suck, and can be flow successfully. But other ship types are more popular.
There are a variety of "Fixes" suggested for Assault ships. The idea that I like best is to give AFs an Afterburner bonus (so they get MWD performance with an AB, at least if they have Lv 5 skill. This would be significant in that it can be MUCH more easily sustained than a MWD, and causes no Sig penalty. AFs would STILL be much slower than Interceptors, leaving Intys the uber speed role), and/or to reduce their mass to the same as the T1 frigs they are based on.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Black Leather
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Posted - 2008.06.07 17:31:00 -
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I really like AFs.
Ishkur FTW.
And because they are not much used these days, you can put a nice surprise on a destroyer or even a cruiser, occasionally.
Easy to tank 2/10 complexes or L2 missions.
But (always a but)...
Must have cap skills maxed to have it be all it can be. And even then you'll want a CCC and an SMC rig in there.
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