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Nightsabre
T-Cells
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Posted - 2008.05.25 13:02:00 -
[91]
You know if IVY set the wars as mutual... then all these little corps wont have to pay
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Crimsonjade
B.D.S.M. Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 13:11:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Butter Dog Privateers.... lol
The alliance which decs claiming to want good fights, then retracts at the first sign of a T1 cruiser squad ;)
good fights imo = unarmed haulers with 74k of megacyte just floating about. pvp is overrated in caps online
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.05.25 13:13:00 -
[93]
Does CCP need to fix this? Yes.
But. For the meantime, I am enjoying the Priva-tears whining about it .
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Profhet
Wraiths Reborn Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 13:27:00 -
[94]
I don't think its whining, thinks its more like, wow, I can't believe you can do that, and can't believe its E-Uni doing it. ____________________________
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Ker HarSol
Zip - I
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Posted - 2008.05.25 13:36:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Ki An
Why are you cheating like this if you are winning the war? You know, there are other ways to dissuade the Privateers from their "holy crusade" that involves actually playing the game as intended as opposed to pulling lame stunts like this.
Bitters much?
Shut up telling others how they should play the game!
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Ki An
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.05.25 13:40:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Ker HarSol
Bitters much?
Shut up telling others how they should play the game!
Yeah, we should all stop pointing out flaws in the game mechanics and lambast the tossers who exploit them. IT'S HOW THEY WANT TO PLAY THE GAME GODDAMMIT!
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2008.05.25 13:42:00 -
[97]
If only Eve Uni used that money to provide free ships maybe their students and stopped telling them to not undock unless they have overwhelming numbers they could learn something other than 'FORM UP THE BLOB GUYS'
Not really ragging on Eve Uni because that's what eve has become anyway. Still pretty disappointed though.
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Savant Hayt
The Reich
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:08:00 -
[98]
Privs are lame for dec'ing eve uni...but what is a game without an evil figure? Plus new members get to experience war.
Eve uni is lame for using such a BS tactic.
You people do realize every industrial/mining corp in the game is now going to start doing this. Essentially gaining immunity from war decs just shouldn't be happening, really breaks some the thrill of the game tbh.
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Swiftness
VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:15:00 -
[99]
ITT a moron gloats about trying to ruin a corp which helps newbies enjoying eve. Hint : the more newbs enjoy eve, the longer the game will last
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:16:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Big Al If only Eve Uni used that money to provide free ships maybe their students and stopped telling them to not undock unless they have overwhelming numbers they could learn something other than 'FORM UP THE BLOB GUYS'
Not really ragging on Eve Uni because that's what eve has become anyway. Still pretty disappointed though.
The Uni does in fact provide free ships, frigs and dessies at least I think, to their members, so nobody has to sit on the side while the rest of the team blows up some Privateers.
And I am literally laughing my arse off at this one. Clever move, Kelduum, I approve. The Privs, the Original Gangstas of pushing game mechanics their way in wardecs, are screaming about getting out-hustled. That should be in a Mastercard 'Priceless' commercial.
See, the griefer brigade's whining is misplaced this time. With iMune, the corp ducked the wardec altogether after doing their join up/quit out trick. This time, the Privs are perfectly capable of continuing their grief war againt the Uni as long as their sweet little hearts desire. But, they'll have to pay through the nose for it. Is eternal griefing worth billions per week to keep it up? If so, then PAY THE FEE. It's not like the Uni is getting away scot-free, the person behind it is also paying, although less money, to keep the charade going from their end. Money is disappearing from the economy. This is a good thing. It's also not like the Uni isn't doing their part, check the killboard and see that they've been fighting back and successfully. It's also-ALSO not like this is going to be a widespread thing, because who is going to pony up the cash to keep themselves wardecced, just in case? No, people are still going to get their 1 week of mayhem and rioting and looting and griefing and noob-slapping in the future, but when they try to extend it into a siege and grief-a-thon, then they might just have to drop some cash. Nexia Nexcis will be screaming bloody murder, but everyone else will be /shrug. Tough break.
Hooch, you got outplayed. Maybe it's time to find another target? -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk."
Yes. Yes I am.
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The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:18:00 -
[101]
Edited by: The PitBoss on 25/05/2008 14:21:35
DEFINATELY not what the DEVs had in mind ... BUT as always at the short end of the stick ... WE ADAPT
IN THE MEAN TIME ....
I will be taking up collections to CONTINUE the war dec on IVY LEAGUE for the upcoming week ... they will not get off that easy
With their little shenanigans ... the upcoming week will cost us: 1 BILLION isk
Please reach deep folks ...
Deposit the isk in the wallet of:
THE PITBOSS
Complete ANONYMITY guaranteed
Thanks,
PB
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Hugo Maxum
No Angels Here
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:28:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Moe Sczyzlak
Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 25/05/2008 07:08:33
Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Antithysis Disgusting exploit of game mechanics, E-Uni. Your neutrality is now a pile of shattered glass on the floor. I hope whoever put this idea in motion gets banned or expelled from EVE-Uni.
Disgraceful.
-Anti
No, this is not totally correct. If you have been a member of an alliance such as BOB, Goons or any other questionalble corp you are considered a spy by them. And not trustworthy. You also are then making it hard for them to say they are neutral. I say what a load of crap. I know a few of the teachers in E-Uni and to play with game mechanics this way shows you are not as neutral as you might claim to be. Can't wait for devs to claim this an exploit, as for a reputation thing you should not be doing this. Oh no!! They are using game mechanics to their favour!! Cheaters!! Cry to the devs!! Whine on the forums!!
What about for example abusing insurance payout for suicide killing freighters? Isn't that an abuse also? Oh wait .. that is legite game mechanics - because it works in your favour?
LOL
There is a extreamly low cost way that any alliance can effectivly make itself immune to wardecs for a few dozen mil and a bunch of disposible freshly made noobalts as shown in post 56. Even if its not privateers today, it will be some isk farmer alliance tommorow who does it. And lets be honest here, ignoring priviateers, only the wardecee pays billions while the people protecting themselves by using this wardec mechanic pay basically nothing.
It is a exploit though not a declared one.
Did you see waratron complaining? Looks to me like he was just EXplaining.
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Tormenta Noche
Tormenta Noche Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: The PitBoss I will be taking up collections to CONTINUE the war dec on IVY LEAGUE for the upcoming week ... they will not get off that easy...
Deposit the isk in the wallet of: THE PITBOSS
Brilliant!
Transition from boo-hoo to bragging to begging <cough> scam <cough> all in one thread!
Genius, sir!
Tormenta Noche
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:32:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Tormenta Noche
Originally by: The PitBoss I will be taking up collections to CONTINUE the war dec on IVY LEAGUE for the upcoming week ... they will not get off that easy...
Deposit the isk in the wallet of: THE PITBOSS
Brilliant!
Transition from boo-hoo to bragging to begging <cough> scam <cough> all in one thread!
Genius, sir!
Tormenta Noche
LOL, when they stomp off sulking from their Uni wardec, they're coming after you next for poking them with a sharp stick relentlessly, you realize that right?
Either that or they'll dispatch Nexia to do it. -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk."
Yes. Yes I am.
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Hugo Maxum
No Angels Here
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:35:00 -
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yeah, but then they will use the same lame tactic that the uni is using. disgraceful really
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Kyle Frost
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:37:00 -
[106]
To the genius who came up with the ōPriva-tearsö thing: There is a certain truth in that, because every time I see an IVY player trying to PvP, I laugh so hard it brings tears to my eyes. I went to Korsiki and 20+ IVY players dockedą and I was flying solo in my cov ops frigate ū I didnĘt even have weapons fitted. Oh andą ōplayground bulliesö ? When you say that, you do realize ū you are standing all alone in the middle of itą and itĘs our playground
To IVY: When the rabbit makes short turns to get away from the wolf, that doesnĘt make the wolf stop chasing it ū it just ****es him off. I will see you around boys To all the wiseguys who keeping smacking , saying how worthless the Privateers are, how we are no threat at allą : ThatĘs exactly what IVY were saying a while ago. And now they resort to abusing game mechanics in order to get rid of us. ------
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Tormenta Noche
Tormenta Noche Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:44:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke LOL, when they stomp off sulking from their Uni wardec, they're coming after you next for poking them with a sharp stick relentlessly, you realize that right?
If they want to help deflate the economy by taking more isk out of circulation, I'm happy to provide them with that opportunity.
Tormenta Noche
"It's all just a bad dream..." |
X3k5
Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 14:44:00 -
[108]
Edited by: X3k5 on 25/05/2008 14:46:28
Originally by: Kyle Frost To IVY: When the rabbit makes short turns to get away from the wolf, that doesnĘt make the wolf stop chasing it ū it just ****es him off. I will see you around boys
Youve touched the analogy so I figured I should complete it. The rabbit gets his friends together and cuts out the wolf's belly. Now if the wolf wants to chase after the rabbit, he's free to and in doing so bleed/starve to death or the wolf can cut his losses and accept defeat.
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Tormenta Noche
Tormenta Noche Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.25 15:00:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Tormenta Noche on 25/05/2008 15:03:39
Originally by: Kyle Frost To the genius who came up with the ōPriva-tearsö thing: ōplayground bulliesö ? When you say that, you do realize ū you are standing all alone in the middle of itą and itĘs our playground
And you are standing beside the merry-go-round begging for lunch money from the smart kids. Here's a quid, enjoy.
Tormenta Noche
"It's all just a bad dream..." |
Brandwood
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Posted - 2008.05.25 15:04:00 -
[110]
Confirming I will be receiving the isk.
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BoB sucks
Burning Bush Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.25 15:24:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan
Well, as I explained, I don't see it as cheating, personally. There are no unusual mechanics being used, but together, they have an interesting result.
The only thing interesting about the result is that it hasn't been declared an exploit already. It's a sad consequence of the "alliance P" nerf, and should have been fixed back then. I still have faith in CCP, and I am certain they will fix it now, as rich carebears like you shouldn't get a free pass out of wardecs.
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan
However, there comes a time that after saying "Bad Dog!" for seven weeks, and the message not getting through, you just need to rub his nose in it to get the message across.
I think the message would be clearer if you actually tried killing them some more. As it is now, with your e-war blobs, you're just making Privateers want to kill you more.
So that is what this is all about, wallet jealousy?
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LuthienTinuviel
The HIgher Standard
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Posted - 2008.05.25 15:45:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Raffael Ramirez Ivy league is pushing the limits as we did once and we got a "p-alliance" nerf doesn¦t matter if its within the mechanics or not. But we will see how that plays out if CCP allowes is in the long run there won¦t be any alliance wars. They could make you an NPC corp if you are so neutral as you always claim.
If you are winning the war as you say , why don¦t you make it mutual as your players seem to learn from every engagement ?
You are not learning them PvP as you intend to you are learning them avoiding fights at all costs. My corp often brought reasonable fleets to your homesystem gave you time to scout and refit all your ships and still no one showed up. The 40 man blob fleets with loads of EW that we dismantle on a regular basis aren¦t the stuff you should teach. Of corse you feel safe in large fleets but thats how 0.0 developed into goonies playground . That makes you a valid target because you are making the next generation of brainless sheep that only do what they are told and never ever take on a fight that is not 10:1- ruines the game really.
And really you are all making it worse. Don¦t know what who when the war started but now you got even more pirate wannabes with fat wallets on your behind.
Personally i am not into management and i damn sure don¦t want to do anything within the privateers alliance apart from having fun so stop pretending you are soo poor so its allright to evade. You have the numbers you even have tec II ships so start teaching them small scale battles and give us a challenge.
They may be learning the pvp side of the game but last I checked that wasn't what Eve-U was about in it's entirety in fact I think your probably thinking more along the lines of Agony Unleashed if you have that view of Eve-U. The problem with this wardec for Eve-U I imagine is that while occasional pvp is good for training purposes having a constant pvp environment for weeks/months on end means that any non pvp side of the game does not get any attention so makes eve-U an one dimensinal entity... In regards to what the guy from Eve-U did I can't say I like it I dunno if I would class it in my mind as an exploit however I do feel and have felt for a long time the war dec system is completely broken (both for defenders as well as agressors) so if anything good comes of this hopefully the Devs will took a proper look at the war dec system and finally make it so it works.
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Kalmanaka
Blueprint Haus Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.25 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Profhet I don't think its whining, thinks its more like, wow, I can't believe you can do that, and can't believe its E-Uni doing it.
You can't contradict yourself here. This statement says you think IVY is an honorable institution worth respecting who should be above using game mechanics like this, yet your actions over the last weeks say you feel IVY is a worthless pile of garbage and using game mechanics like this should fit in perfectly with your view of them.
So which is it? Oh wait thats right you'll post anything to try and make yourselves feel better than them. nm. Good luck with your new scam.
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Jakke Logan
F Off And Die
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Posted - 2008.05.25 16:17:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Jakke Logan on 25/05/2008 16:19:50 It'd be a lot easier to sympathize with Privateer Alliance if they weren't crying so much. So what, your gank war just got more expensive. Cry me a river. Pay up or go attack someone else. Privateers crying over someone using wardec mechanics against them is as hilarious and hypocritical as it would be if BOB came here crying about enemy Titans, or the Goons crying about blobs.
I've yet to see a privateer have the balls to bring it into 0.0 despite the fact that they continually wardec 0.0 alliances.
Advice: Shut up and rise to a challenge for once. Or go pick on someone poorer. Whines like this are why I have next to zero respect for the majority of the pirates out there, who lack the fighting ability to fight anyone who can fight back, who would panic if they ever faced... gasp, even numbers or being slightly outnumbered. It takes no skill whatsoever to take T2 ships, put them on a gate and blow up haulers.
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Ki An
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.05.25 16:29:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Jakke Logan Edited by: Jakke Logan on 25/05/2008 16:19:50 It'd be a lot easier to sympathize with Privateer Alliance if they weren't crying so much. So what, your gank war just got more expensive. Cry me a river. Pay up or go attack someone else. Privateers crying over someone using wardec mechanics against them is as hilarious and hypocritical as it would be if BOB came here crying about enemy Titans, or the Goons crying about blobs.
I've yet to see a privateer have the balls to bring it into 0.0 despite the fact that they continually wardec 0.0 alliances.
Advice: Shut up and rise to a challenge for once. Or go pick on someone poorer. Whines like this are why I have next to zero respect for the majority of the pirates out there, who lack the fighting ability to fight anyone who can fight back, who would panic if they ever faced... gasp, even numbers or being slightly outnumbered. It takes no skill whatsoever to take T2 ships, put them on a gate and blow up haulers.
Originally by: The Hooch I have played this game for a very long time, I thought I have seen it all... until today.
This is so un-believable I don't know if anyone will even think it is true.
Ivy League has created 20, one-man corps and had them all dec themselves.
BILLIONS Hell, for 2 billion under the table we would have called it off and told nobody about it.
Since we now know you have the isk to waste, the price is now 4 billion for peace.
To quote a member, you may now consider us to be a case of Herpes. We will now never go away, there will be un-expected flare-ups, painful with a great deal of discharge. Your only cure will be 4 billion isk or your final destruction. Peace, Love, and all that rubbish
Hooch
ps
and people say I am crazy?
That is the OP in this thread. Now read it and think about why your post is one of the crying ones in this thread, and the OP isn't.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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The Hooch
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 16:30:00 -
[116]
Edited by: The Hooch on 25/05/2008 16:33:06 There is no real crying here boys and girls. It is the whole inconsistency at issue. After the "P - Alliance" patch which was supposed to "fix" the war dec system, instead it left this hole just begging to be exploited. Well, it has been and we are pointing this out now.
On a side not if we wish to, and we just might pay this fee anyway if to prove we can match and dirty trick with a like action. We ain't lacking for isk to do it.
Also, we are looking for mouthy people in this thread and that is providing us with all kinds of new targets. So maybe we let Ivy go for a few days and we take a look at this thread and see who needs a bit of our "Priva-Tears".
See you soon!
Hooch
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Avaricia
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.05.25 16:37:00 -
[117]
yea that's broken, not even a little bit broken or a "grey area" like logoffski, that's ******* broken all to hell.
can't say it surprises me eve uni would pull such a silly stunt, i'm just shocked ccp hasn't laid down the law.
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Doctor Zemmen
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 17:13:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan I have to say, even if it had cost 10.5 billion ISK, it would be worth it to see the 'Priva-tears' (thank you, Tormenta) whining this has generated.
Ok, so, some clarifications, straight from the source:
- I am the one behind this, and it was done without the knowledge of anyone in Ivy League.
- Wars can be declared for "any reason". Admittedly it may not be the original intent, but this is a sandbox, after all.
- The accounts these 'alts' are on are not mine, but friends of mine who are new to Eve.
- Although these are not my accounts or characters, I did however provide some directions, and supplied the necessary ISK.
- Making a war mutual removes its cost, but also removes it from the cost calculations.
- There is nothing unusual with the wars themselves. They follow the normal mechanics in every way.
- The mechanics behind this were submitted as Bug Report 56896 for clarification, and it was confirmed that it was by design.
Now, claims involving horrendously bad calculations aside (and, I must say, its good to see that Mr Hooch has managed to find that calculator and edit his posts), I am not aware of anything that suggests this is an exploit of existing mechanics.
This does not make IVY immune to wars, however it should dissuade the Privateers from their apparent 'holy crusade' to destroy Eve University. I think it is safe to say that the killboard speaks for itself on their performance so far, as it is suggesting that the great and powerful Privateers are unable to kill a bunch of noobs and their teachers. Simply put, our pilots learn from their mistakes, and come back stronger next time.
As far as neutrality goes, now correct me if I am wrong here, neutrality is typically between multiple separate entities, but there seems to be only two involved here: The Privateers, and Ivy League. I don't see how any claims of breaching neutrality applies here.
Finally, regarding mercenaries, I'm not aware of IVY paying for any. I may be mistaken, but after looking through the corp wallet, I am under the impression that any mercenaries involved are working for free.
-- Kelduum Revaan Director Eve University <IVY>
There was once an alliance called "Imune empire" that was formed with the idea of allowing corps to transfer wardecs to their alliance. This was quickly announced as an exploit. I assumed people would have learned from that situation that submitting reports to the bughunters held about as much weight as getting a note from your mom. I assume a senior GM will weigh in on this topic sooner or later, and it will be a sad day for EVE if it is not classed as an exploit.
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Wesley Baird
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2008.05.25 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kelduum Revaan
However, there comes a time that after saying "Bad Dog!" for seven weeks, and the message not getting through, you just need to rub his nose in it to get the message across.
And who are you to call anyone a bad dog? A bit of the Ivy arrogance for the world to see...why people still cling to the image you lot created is beyond me.
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Jakke Logan
F Off And Die
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Posted - 2008.05.25 17:25:00 -
[120]
Originally by: The Hooch Edited by: The Hooch on 25/05/2008 16:33:06 There is no real crying here boys and girls. It is the whole inconsistency at issue. After the "P - Alliance" patch which was supposed to "fix" the war dec system, instead it left this hole just begging to be exploited. Well, it has been and we are pointing this out now.
On a side not if we wish to, and we just might pay this fee anyway if to prove we can match and dirty trick with a like action. We ain't lacking for isk to do it.
Also, we are looking for mouthy people in this thread and that is providing us with all kinds of new targets. So maybe we let Ivy go for a few days and we take a look at this thread and see who needs a bit of our "Priva-Tears".
See you soon!
Hooch
Like there is anyone who isn't an Empire carebear who is afraid of that. Lolz.
Fact of the matter is that privateer alliance is no threat whatsoever to anyone who is capable of fighting back. Which is why they like to pick on empire corps and especially, noob training corps like the uni.
So, they've set out to make it as expensive as possible for you. I applaud that. I love listening to the whines of pirates whenever they are faced with ANY risk or cost consequences to what they do. You can fight all the wars you want and it won't cost you any ISK. Show some nads and show yourselves in 0.0.
You won't.
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