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Cutter Isaacson
Hollow World Mining Corporation QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.06.27 11:46:00 -
[901]
This situation needs to be revised. An open discussion gets my vote.
Originally by: Verone Sweet baby jesus and his holy mother of pwn.
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L046
Stripey Industrial Beast Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.06.27 12:08:00 -
[902]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Stuff like Walking in Stations is a whole new graphic engine thats world class in the industry
Tbh i dont play this game to look at stuff in the stations, i play to blow ships up in space. make this add on optional and charge more for it. dont charge people for something most will not use or wont bother with after they have spent 10mins or so looking at it
bring back 30/90days even at teh higher european rate
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praznimrak
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Posted - 2008.06.27 14:41:00 -
[903]
Hahahaha. it is fun.premium game and walk in stacion? What are you talking abouth.Who asked for walking in stacion?That mean i will have to pay more for some usles stacion graphics? Let me put this way.Ccp wants more money,gread,and is inventing rediculose resons to get it.What is wrang to u guy.Did u hade to many beers and to much drogs and now u think that u kind of super star who wants to gain a lot of money singing the same songs.Como on.take it easy.The paying sistem and Gtc did work fine.I beet that all ccp employs live nice from ther waige.So whats the trobel.It looks like you are pushing limits to see what will hapend,knowing that your consumers are adictid to your product.But You CCP are making a player expirience more and more dificuld.Youst finding new ways to keep ppl farming more and more isk and have less and less fun.EVE engen,dinamics and gameplay have a great potencial for great fun(that is what games r all abouth) and u CCP are making it to boring,to hatrd and to expencive now.So please MR.Super Star sing new song,lighter one,easyer to listen and whith meldis that will make u big odience.If You CCP continu like this.......You know what hapend?Superstars lose ther light and vanish. Please consider that fact that players wnat to enyoi eve and not have to sufer cntinius bad moves from guys that are allredy making greate profits from this game and now this guys wants more.Maybe some weakend house or a new car? Sory for bad english. Keep old gtc sistem and prices please
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Sir Ibex
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Posted - 2008.06.27 16:04:00 -
[904]
Edited by: Sir Ibex on 27/06/2008 16:05:09
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Pressing them on the issue yielded the very honest answer:
Eve is a premium product with a huge development effort, high class graphics and major design on new features and functions. Stuff like Walking in Stations is a whole new graphic engine thats world class in the industry and fundamentally its our choice as to whether we want to pay for quality or not.
Why not give every single player the choice to decide if they want to pay for that quality or not?! Why FORCE us to pay extra for these new features and expansions? Why not give us the option to "buy" extra features and expansions only if we choose to?
It would be a great plan:
Players who want new content pay more for it, and players who don't pay less and retain the option of buying cheaper, short term TCs. That's better than losing players completely, no? I would rather pay $30-50 every time a new expansion comes out, instead of it being forced upon me along with price hikes and removal of convenient options such as buying 150mil isk 30 day TCs.
So far, it "might" be still possible for me to grind 400mil for 60day TCs every now and then in between paying with my credit card. However, if that option also gets removed, which I can see happening, it's "bye bye CCP. It's been fun while it lasted".
Either way, I will now be forced to renew my subscription much less often than I used to. If anything, CCP should give us the option of an unlimited skill queue. They could at least give us that much given the recent events.
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Tallai Reeca
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Posted - 2008.06.27 17:56:00 -
[905]
Agreed.
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Arbitraier
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Posted - 2008.06.27 23:03:00 -
[906]
I don't know if it is already mentioned but players playing the game trough steam still have the option to buy 30-days for 14,95 USD. Can CCP explain this?
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L046
Stripey Industrial Beast Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.06.28 00:00:00 -
[907]
Originally by: Arbitraier I don't know if it is already mentioned but players playing the game trough steam still have the option to buy 30-days for 14,95 USD. Can CCP explain this?
can you post a link for steam. would be nice to get a cheaper sub for at least a while, ccp nerf bat will swing im sure
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Arbitraier
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Posted - 2008.06.28 10:55:00 -
[908]
Here is a link for eve on steam: EVE on Steam.
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Rhum Kach
Pleasure and Pain
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Posted - 2008.06.28 18:27:00 -
[909]
/signed |
Faekurias
Black Legion Command Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.28 21:20:00 -
[910]
Most definately has my support |
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Captain Bastage
Adamist Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.29 14:31:00 -
[911]
/signed
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Irene Ley
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Posted - 2008.06.30 12:12:00 -
[912]
I am happy to announce the great achievements that CCP has made with my subscriptions.
1 year ago i was a 5 accounts player, 2 mains ones and 3 alters raising skills focused in capital ships.
Then our friend CCP Zulupark had the nice idea of nerfing the carriers because they should be used in another way. Well, in my opinion it was just a real bad thing since as in any contract u cant sell a house with 4 rooms and 300 m2 in total and after 3 months say that the rooms are just 1 and 30 m2.
Another nice idea of Zulupark was lowering the unused explosive resistance of shields in a called un-nerfing patch. How ironic.
My alters lost a lot of their capabilities and all the isk I spent in skills and gtc for their creation gone into a total waste of time. I havent acivated those 3 accounts since dec 2007.
Then here they are again with another great idea (I suppose from the nice mind of Zulupark). Let¦s increase de income from the game and lower the number of connections since the game is saturated. How can we do it without telling what do we want to do?.
Here is the answer, since many europeans are used to buy gtc in dolars to get the benefit from the dolar euro exchange, let's change the gtc system and let's see what we get.
- Let's get global benefit raising the base price of gtc. From 14,95 30 days = 0,5 cents/day, 39,95 90 days = 0,45 cents/day to a nice 34,95 60 days = 0,5825 cents/day. WOW, great idea 30% extra income than using 90 days gtc.
- Also if people wants to try do offline training they needed 6 * 30 days gtc aprox each year, now they will need 4 * 60 days aprox. It means 14,95*6= 89.7 and now they will need 34.95*4=139.8. WOW 50 dolars more each year.
- Ooo, remember all this people using gtc to get the benefit from dolar-euro exchange, this change will make the price the a gtc subscription way worse than just paying directly 1 year of credit card subscription.
They are basically forcing us to pay more for each account we have even if we use it or if we try to do offline training.
I think that the next step will be not allow offline training, once your account runs out of time they will stop your training.
Well, atm I am just using 1 account and it will run out tomorrow, with the current price of gtc in isk I have to spent way more time now to pay my next gtc and with every move done by CCP it gets worse.
""" THIS IS JUST A WAY FOR EARNING MORE MONEY """
Well, I keep thinking that they will not answer us, they will just keep laughing at our faces.
Have fun.
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Sir SmellyFart
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Posted - 2008.06.30 13:41:00 -
[913]
Originally by: Irene Ley
""" THIS IS JUST A WAY FOR EARNING MORE MONEY """
Well, I keep thinking that they will not answer us, they will just keep laughing at our faces.
Have fun.
Err, they already did answer us. They said there previous explanation of why the cards were changed was really marketing BS, they failed to mention that their new explanation is also marketing BS though. |
Irene Ley
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Posted - 2008.06.30 20:26:00 -
[914]
I dont feel confortable with any answer comming from CSM atm. The decission comes from CCP and CSM is just a filter for problems installed by CCP. If they dont want to answer anything, they can just make CSM answer for them without having to face the problem directly. My total support to CSM task in any way. I think that in the same way that happened to me with my carrier alters not being reactivated since the carrier nerf, eve have suffered a reduction on its active alter account amount, hurting the income of company. It can be shown past months prices of gtc for isk. I was allowed to buy a 90 days gtc for 325 mil.
The main interest of CCP is to increase the income by:
- Solve the reduction of income because of many people not training anymore their alters. - Making Euro people pay in Euros. - Making ALL people pay more. - Lower the ammount of posible people online so their servers dont go obsolete so fast.
About their "PREMIUM" comment about this game, I have to say that it's very good, even more if u are an old player who has worked hard to achieve complex objetives; but the problem here is not if the game is good or bad they must say things directly, if u want to raise prices do it equal to everyone. Let all people pay in euros or dolars without restrictions and call the things by its name "PRICE INCREASE".
I am sure that the next step is going to be the stop RP & SP once an account is deactivated, since it will mean around a 50% extra income from every alter account.
Have fun in EVE-CRASH-REGISTER-ONLINE.
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Kylin44
CAPITALISTIC PIGS SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE
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Posted - 2008.07.02 04:23:00 -
[915]
CCP will not get any more money from me. I havent renewed any of my accounts and WILL NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Root Canal
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Posted - 2008.07.02 07:05:00 -
[916]
Originally by: Irene Ley ...Then our friend CCP Zulupark had the nice idea of nerfing the carriers...
In my opinion, Zulupark is a complete idiot and should not be employed by CCP. His solution to everything is to nerf. His job should be nerfed.
Originally by: Irene Ley ...I think that the next step will be not allow offline training, once your account runs out of time they will stop your training...
That would be suicide. I'm not sure they won't do something like that, though... they have been getting very good at shooting themselves in the feet.
As to the GTC change, I personally own nine accounts. I had been running all of them on 30d GTCs so I could keep tight control over whether and how much I pay CCP. I vary the number of active accounts according to how pleased or ****ed I am with CCP. Reducing the money I pay to CCP is one way of forcing a reimbursement denied by a GM, and the reimbursement comes back in RL money as savings in reduced subscription fees.
To have all nine accounts active I was paying just under US$135 per month to buy 30d GTCs. At the moment this change became effective and I could no longer buy 30d GTCs I would have had to shell out just under US$300 to keep all the accounts going. Uh, no, I don't agree to do that. I let some of my accounts expire and left some expired for about 10 days.
Now I have switched to CC payment, 30d at a time, and I track the expiry dates as I did with GTCs. When it comes time to reduce the active accounts for whatever reason I will "cancel" them.
This month I will have all nine active because I just switched to 64-bit XP Pro and I want to see whether I can run all nine at the same time. With 32-bit XP Pro I could never run more than seven since Trinity. In recent days I successfully ran eight, and will activate the last account to test running nine.
The recent fix to the cache setting seems to have helped, and with it set to off or none I no longer see the memory usage creeping ever upward. If I can run all nine I will be happy for a while. Otherwise, or if CCP ****es me off in some other way, I will reduce the number of active accounts.
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Dariah Stardweller
Kuruwasu Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.02 08:30:00 -
[917]
Originally by: Irene Ley
The main interest of CCP is to increase the income by:
- Solve the reduction of income because of many people not training anymore their alters. - Making Euro people pay in Euros. - Making ALL people pay more. - Lower the ammount of posible people online so their servers dont go obsolete so fast.
There you have the real reasons in a nutshell.
Quote:
About their "PREMIUM" comment about this game,
And here we have the marketing crap CCP tells us.
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SunglassesInSpace
SPACE DUDES
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Posted - 2008.07.02 09:38:00 -
[918]
blargh
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ShaffGT
The Lost Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.03 04:31:00 -
[919]
/signed
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lady2isis
Philae Temple
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Posted - 2008.07.04 03:39:00 -
[920]
Edited by: lady2isis on 04/07/2008 03:42:04 /signed i am who i am; therefor i am Her |
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Knocturnal
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.04 11:11:00 -
[921]
Well the ammout of gtc's that were sold made eve have this huge popular success and i'm 100% it was the best cash income for ccp. Doing so getting bigger priceingz ccp will lose more subscribers and not only that will lose people that had ammouts of alts and now they`ll keep main + 1 or 2 chars.. I for one had 6 accoutns .. now i`ll stick 2 one and leave the others unpaid. In time ccp will lose.
WoW and all the other products comming from blizzard are premium aswell so it ain't just eve.
OK we pay more but we still get the hardcore lag in fleet fights. Still the stupid game mechaincs with pos and titan's .. It still the old game we started paying 4 - 5 years ago. CCP were forced to evolved and improve quality otherwise they would have bankruped allready.
Just my 2 cents
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Titas Agor
TITANS OF PEACE
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Posted - 2008.07.04 18:55:00 -
[922]
i gotta say that this was a bad idea in the history of bad idea's. GTCs are now up by 200mil for every GTC now which for a carebare like me cannot make that much a month in order to play the game now... so the option of using isk just to play i can no longer do and to be honnest, the average player wont either be able to afford 400mil every 2 months... thats a sh!t load of missioning and mining non stop and some ppl do actually have lives to live. So thats one point thats really screwed me up royaly as a player for me personally...
2ndly, an increase in fee is absolutely retarted, in order for me pay to play, i have to spend 35 bucks wth? and dont tell me thats industry standard... thats *******s.... im sorry but that is, EVERY online game has a 30day subscription fee, ALL of them... If i want to pay for 60 or 90 days, i want to have the option, if i wanna jus pay monthly fee's for it, well that should be my descision shouldn't it? taking away all the options really screws everyone up and not everyone is gonna be willing to do it.
I love eve, i've loved it ever since i first saw it and played it... but now im forced and limited in my options to play it, use isk just to play it and leave nothing in my wallet for ships or losses, or pay MORE then i was before... a totally stupid idea and yes it might sort out some of the farming/scamming to a degree, but at what cost? you should really take a look at the timecard forums... you jus raised the prices by 200% more or less.... thanks a lot
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Takashi Koby
PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.07.08 00:57:00 -
[923]
/signed
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Brutore
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Posted - 2008.07.08 02:57:00 -
[924]
I love eve, i used cc for abit then went to gtc's, manly 30 days. But since the change to only 60 days my eve playing has gone downhill. Im losing isk, therefore i cant buy gtc's, and since i cant buy gtc's i can't play and since i cant play i aint having fun so i quit eve and do other things. i have 3 accounts, gonna have to sell one, maybe the the other and go to one account. But i dont want to do that because i enjoy eve. So because of these stupid 60 days CCP will lose alot of low income and short term players. Nice going CCP because you want to make more money you plan to sacrifice your total amount of people who play. Nice going....
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Belmarduk
de Prieure Four Elements
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Posted - 2008.07.08 09:47:00 -
[925]
33% price increase is a very bad idea and is only ****ing off players.... /signed CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
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Lord Darkness
Super Muppets Accumulated Space Holding Inc
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Posted - 2008.07.09 01:43:00 -
[926]
I support having 30 and 90d codes
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Seth Ruin
Galactic Exploration and Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2008.07.10 02:18:00 -
[927]
Removing 30d time cards is acceptable from the standpoint that some users were "playing" the game without paying for it by setting their longer (30d+) skills and not paying for that month.
However, the price increase is affecting all of us quite adversely. It is extremely difficult to make the isk necessary to play this game now, meaning a good amount of the player base is being left out.
This is not acceptable, CCP.
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Vreena
Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2008.07.10 07:34:00 -
[928]
Signed. -----
The above does not reflect the views and/or opinions of my corporation or alliance...well it could, but let's not be presumptuous, okay? |
LordSwift
INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE
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Posted - 2008.07.10 12:16:00 -
[929]
Hi, i only just started selling time codes when they announced that it was going to change and i pay by CC so i was not affected. I agree that these changes sucked. But From various posts i have read. CCP will not be changing there mind.
I cant find the post, but there was a dev comment about this issue. Selling time codes does not make them money in the long run. They sell them in bulk to the other websites that sell GTC's at a discount. So they dont make money, and as a BUSINESS that is not a good thing. As a business you have to make a profit to be able to run things. Need to pay for electricity, Wages, Development software, Security costs etc etc. I am sure if a dev posted the actual Cost to Run EVE online for a year, most whiners would think again about complaining. From what i read in the other post, unlike every other mmo in existence. We are the only ones to get two FREE expansions a year, so that is a extra ú20-ú30 quid in our pockets every 6mths. I believe the cost to develop each expansion is over ú10 million.
Dont forget CCP is a business and they are in the business to make úúú. Keeping us happy is only needed to keep it rolling in. Raise prices for 30 days is fine with me if thet are bought back
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Promithius
Amarr Subach-Tech Warp to Desktop
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Posted - 2008.07.10 18:44:00 -
[930]
/signed
bring back 30 and 90 GTC's
Im no accountant but im sure yours is more than happy with the books they dont need a 33% rise
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