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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.22 03:03:00 -
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First of all congratulations to the nine Inaugural CSM representatives! In the next three days we have to choose a Vice Chairman, Secretary and Vice Secretary from amongst the eight non-chairman reps on the council. Can I ask you all to review the requirements/specifications for these roles here:
http://myeve.eve-online.com/download/devblog/CSMSummary.pdf
And let me know if you are interested in assuming any of these responsibilities (in-game evemail or post on the thread, either is fine.)
ItÆs my suggestion we have three simple votes to decide who gets to do what (if there is more than one applicant for each responsibility) and then announce the results prior to the first CSM meeting on Saturday.
IÆll publish a list of candidates volunteering for each position, weÆll all vote on each option (vice chair, secretary, vice secretary) and everything can get rolling.
All the best.
Jade Constantine
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
hammyhamm
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 03:38:00 -
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During your discussions on your open ventrilo session, you promised that if you were to gain the Chairman position, you would immediately relinquish the position and institute a vote among the council members to pick a chairman.
Are you still holding this view or are you reneging on your election promises?
Will this set the tone for time to come? |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.22 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: hammyhamm During your discussions on your open ventrilo session, you promised that if you were to gain the Chairman position, you would immediately relinquish the position and institute a vote among the council members to pick a chairman.
If that is true(I doubt, judging from the source ), Jade has my vote.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 04:11:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: hammyhamm During your discussions on your open ventrilo session, you promised that if you were to gain the Chairman position, you would immediately relinquish the position and institute a vote among the council members to pick a chairman.
If that is true(I doubt, judging from the source ), Jade has my vote.
A goon said something it must be a lie.
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LASER WATCHER
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: hammyhamm During your discussions on your open ventrilo session, you promised that if you were to gain the Chairman position, you would immediately relinquish the position and institute a vote among the council members to pick a chairman.
Are you still holding this view or are you reneging on your election promises?
Will this set the tone for time to come?
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Skut Farkuss
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Posted - 2008.05.22 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: LASER WATCHER
Originally by: hammyhamm During your discussions on your open ventrilo session, you promised that if you were to gain the Chairman position, you would immediately relinquish the position and institute a vote among the council members to pick a chairman.
Are you still holding this view or are you reneging on your election promises?
Will this set the tone for time to come?
Why would you repost this? Are you a moron? A brain tumor patient? Just a highly functioning mental deficient? What would make you think that quoting this was valuable? Get out.
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hammyhamm
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Skut Farkuss Why would you repost this? Are you a moron? A brain tumor patient? Just a highly functioning mental deficient? What would make you think that quoting this was valuable? Get out.
I believe my comrade was attempting a "hear hear" remark, agreeing on my line of inquiry. I think you should cut back on the agressive responses, even if you do have preconceived views |
GorfobInc
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Posted - 2008.05.22 05:10:00 -
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Originally by: hammyhamm During your discussions on your open ventrilo session, you promised that if you were to gain the Chairman position, you would immediately relinquish the position and institute a vote among the council members to pick a chairman.
Are you still holding this view or are you reneging on your election promises?
Will this set the tone for time to come?
I too remember this. What's happening Jade?
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Maor Raor
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Posted - 2008.05.22 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: hammyhamm
Originally by: Skut Farkuss Why would you repost this? Are you a moron? A brain tumor patient? Just a highly functioning mental deficient? What would make you think that quoting this was valuable? Get out.
I believe my comrade was attempting a "hear hear" remark, agreeing on my line of inquiry. I think you should cut back on the agressive responses, even if you do have preconceived views
Preconceived views that Goons them selves work very hard to create and foster.
Its hardly Skuts fault that Goons have such a poor rep in any game forum they play in..
Take your hurt feelings and tell your membership not to be idiots on the forums... then maybe someone will listen to you.
but probly not.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 05:34:00 -
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Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 22/05/2008 05:33:43
Originally by: Maor Raor
Originally by: hammyhamm
Originally by: Skut Farkuss Why would you repost this? Are you a moron? A brain tumor patient? Just a highly functioning mental deficient? What would make you think that quoting this was valuable? Get out.
I believe my comrade was attempting a "hear hear" remark, agreeing on my line of inquiry. I think you should cut back on the agressive responses, even if you do have preconceived views
Preconceived views that Goons them selves work very hard to create and foster.
Its hardly Skuts fault that Goons have such a poor rep in any game forum they play in..
Take your hurt feelings and tell your membership not to be idiots on the forums... then maybe someone will listen to you.
but probly not.
They're Goon forums just as much as yours. I'd recommend you get used to it and act with the maturity you seem to be demanding of others. |
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LASER WATCHER
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: Maor Raor
Originally by: hammyhamm
Originally by: Skut Farkuss Why would you repost this? Are you a moron? A brain tumor patient? Just a highly functioning mental deficient? What would make you think that quoting this was valuable? Get out.
I believe my comrade was attempting a "hear hear" remark, agreeing on my line of inquiry. I think you should cut back on the agressive responses, even if you do have preconceived views
Preconceived views that Goons them selves work very hard to create and foster.
Its hardly Skuts fault that Goons have such a poor rep in any game forum they play in..
Take your hurt feelings and tell your membership not to be idiots on the forums... then maybe someone will listen to you.
but probly not.
Not carin', we got two people in. |
Maor Raor
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Posted - 2008.05.22 05:44:00 -
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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON They're Goon forums just as much as yours. I'd recommend you get used to it and act with the maturity you seem to be demanding of others.
Agreed .. they are forums for all of us.
But Goons have their own forums to be asshats in .. The fact that they choose to do so in public game forums is a choice they make. The fact that Goon leadership encourage their members to spam and "Poast" is also a chioce.
These are a choices that come with Consequences.
One of which is that you cant expect people who read those forums to respect or believe anything a Goon has to say in that forum.
If you dont like the Consequences then encourage your membership to choose not to be asshats in Public game forums.
Its quite simple. |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.22 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: Maor Raor
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON They're Goon forums just as much as yours. I'd recommend you get used to it and act with the maturity you seem to be demanding of others.
Agreed .. they are forums for all of us.
But Goons have their own forums to be asshats in .. The fact that they choose to do so in public game forums is a choice they make. The fact that Goon leadership encourage their members to spam and "Poast" is also a chioce.
These are a choices that come with Consequences.
One of which is that you cant expect people who read those forums to respect or believe anything a Goon has to say in that forum.
If you dont like the Consequences then encourage your membership to choose not to be asshats in Public game forums.
Its quite simple.
Yet they seem surprised that they can't be asshats, and get away with it, likey they can everywhere else.
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Maor Raor
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Posted - 2008.05.22 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: LASER WATCHER Not carin', we got two people in.
^ For instance
Laser Watcher added nothing to the discussion other than to reinforce my point. While at the same time gloating about goons getting 2 members into the CSM.
If Laser Watcher had actually had something to add beyond "Hey im an Asshat to" then all would have been well. The fact is he didnt. All he did was further undermine your own credibility by acting like a fool and implying that any goon CSM got into a CSM position through shear weight of goon numbers rather than any actual merit.
I would personally love for one of the CSM issues to be cleaning up the forums but i highly dout it will be.
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 06:10:00 -
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Originally by: Maor Raor I would personally love for one of the CSM issues to be cleaning up the forums but i highly dout it will be.
Raise the point with the CSM. Write a post about it, gain 5% popular support or a one representatives backing. Run the discussion for a week then they have to bring it up at their meeting. Incidentally I'd be all for a forum clean up (and a forum software upgrade) |
hammyhamm
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 06:14:00 -
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Edited by: hammyhamm on 22/05/2008 06:16:16
Originally by: Maor Raor All he did was further undermine your own credibility by acting like a fool and implying that any goon CSM got into a CSM position through shear weight of goon numbers rather than any actual merit.
Why shouldn't goons vote for who they want in CSM? Our votes count as much as yours, and if we vote for one or two individuals who we believe would hold a similar stance to our opinion on current EVE game mechanics, what is the problem? I don't understand why you must be bitter about the results of the CSM election; it was a fair election and I'm quite sure that GoonSwarm members weren't the only people voting for Bane Glorius and Darius Johnson.
Back to my first topic line;
Jade Constantine, please respond to my initial question (post #2)
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Kivin San
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.22 06:21:00 -
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The CSM forums are descending into complete hilarity earlier than I would have guessed.
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Maor Raor
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Posted - 2008.05.22 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Papa Ina
Raise the point with the CSM. Write a post about it, gain 5% popular support or a one representatives backing. Run the discussion for a week then they have to bring it up at their meeting. Incidentally I'd be all for a forum clean up (and a forum software upgrade)
A pearl among turds.
But even Papa Ina who has been informative, and with whom i agree whole heartedly with regard to the Software upgrade, suffers from goons poor reputation.
Im not foolish enough to think that every Goon is a complete tool or that all goons are incapable of having a constructive thought. Just most of them choose not to.
And after wading through post after post of goon spam its easier to just dismiss any and all goon posts as trash because %99 of the time you will be right be.
To be honest i feel sorry for the Papa ina's in Goons .. they will be mostly ignored no matter how well they post.
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hammyhamm
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 06:29:00 -
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Edited by: hammyhamm on 22/05/2008 06:31:28
Originally by: Maor Raor Hurf blurf look how im failing to look intellectual and am instead looking like a pretentious ****
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Tress Macneille
Eight year old girls GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 06:30:00 -
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let's try to stick to the topic of jade promising to step down from chairman
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Maor Raor
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Posted - 2008.05.22 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: hammyhamm Edited by: hammyhamm on 22/05/2008 06:16:16
Why shouldn't goons vote for who they want in CSM? Our votes count as much as yours, and if we vote for one or two individuals who we believe would hold a similar stance to our opinion on current EVE game mechanics, what is the problem? I don't understand why you must be bitter about the results of the CSM election; it was a fair election and I'm quite sure that GoonSwarm members weren't the only people voting for Bane Glorius and Darius Johnson.
Im not bitter at all. I agree that the election was mostly free and fair and that the goon CSMs have a right to be on the CSM.
Im just pointing out how Laser Watcher's lack of forum tact hurts Goons rep and the rep of their CSMs. This is just how it looks to a Non goon.
Try to understand that what you see posted by your fellow goon looks quite different to you than it does when viewd throuh a non goons lense of threadnaughts and S**TPoasting.
You must understand what im saying.. you are clearly not an idiot.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.05.22 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: Maor Raor
post with your main
___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
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hammyhamm
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Maor Raor
Originally by: hammyhamm Edited by: hammyhamm on 22/05/2008 06:16:16
Why shouldn't goons vote for who they want in CSM? Our votes count as much as yours, and if we vote for one or two individuals who we believe would hold a similar stance to our opinion on current EVE game mechanics, what is the problem? I don't understand why you must be bitter about the results of the CSM election; it was a fair election and I'm quite sure that GoonSwarm members weren't the only people voting for Bane Glorius and Darius Johnson.
Im not bitter at all. I agree that the election was mostly free and fair and that the goon CSMs have a right to be on the CSM.
Im just pointing out how Laser Watcher's lack of forum tact hurts Goons rep and the rep of their CSMs. This is just how it looks to a Non goon.
Try to understand that what you see posted by your fellow goon looks quite different to you than it does when viewd throuh a non goons lense of threadnaughts and S**TPoasting.
You must understand what im saying.. you are clearly not an idiot.
So where in your scheme of forum tact does referring to an entire alliance as turds fall under?
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Maor Raor
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Posted - 2008.05.22 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: hammyhamm So where in your scheme of forum tact does referring to an entire alliance as turds fall under?
Its not the Alliance members that are turds.
Its their posts.
Its quite simple.
PS - Why on earth would i post on with my main when trying to engage in a discussion with one of the most vindictive Alliances in the game? |
Papa Ina
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 06:44:00 -
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I'd also like to point out that no matter what corporation or alliance a CSM representative is from or whatever specific platform they ran on, every one of them is there to represent YOU.
I believe it was Darius who alone stated that he was there for that purpose. |
Tress Macneille
Eight year old girls GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: Maor Raor
Originally by: hammyhamm So where in your scheme of forum tact does referring to an entire alliance as turds fall under?
Its not the Alliance members that are turds.
Its their posts.
Its quite simple.
PS - Why on earth would i post on with my main when trying to engage in a discussion with one of the most vindictive Alliances in the game?
for a guy urging e-tolerance and e-honorable e-conduct, you are being pretty harsh to some pretty reasonable posts
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Maor Raor
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Posted - 2008.05.22 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: Papa Ina I'd also like to point out that no matter what corporation or alliance a CSM representative is from or whatever specific platform they ran on, every one of them is there to represent YOU.
I believe it was Darius who alone stated that he was there for that purpose.
That may well be true but who would believe it?
He may in his heart of hearts want to make EvE the best game he can. And yet no one will believe him because his Alliance has such a bad rep on the forums and in game.
Most Non goons will just dismiss his statements as flatout lies or propaganda or Meta gaming simply because his alliance clogs the forums with so much trash.
Try to encourage your fellow goons to post like mature people and in time they will get treated as such.
You cant seriously blame people for questioning goon posts.
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Waterfowl Democracy
The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 06:59:00 -
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It would helpful to all involved if people would post with their main characters. |
Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.05.22 07:10:00 -
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oh lol ... heavy takeover :-)
but I'd be interested in Jades response anyway ... |
Tress Macneille
Eight year old girls GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Maor Raor Edited by: Maor Raor on 22/05/2008 07:19:30
Originally by: Tress Macneille for a guy urging e-tolerance and e-honorable e-conduct, you are being pretty harsh to some pretty reasonable posts
I hardly think im being harsh. If i come across that way im sorry but i refuse to use smilys
Im mearly trying to point out that you cant alow your members to fowl up the forums on one hand then expect to be taken seriously on the other.
And then to get all uppity when called on it is poor form indeed.
Are these the reasonable posts you were talking about?
Originally by: hammyhamm Edited by: hammyhamm on 22/05/2008 06:31:28
Originally by: Maor Raor Hurf blurf look how im failing to look intellectual and am instead looking like a pretentious ****
Originally by: LASER WATCHER
Not carin', we got two people in.
And its posts like these that colour the perception of any others. And these arnt even that bad on a Goon scale.
Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy It would helpful to all involved if people would post with their main characters.
So you can hunt me in game for trying to have a disccussion about tact and credibility? Lets not and say we did.
I am calling you out because this is not the thread for it.
Unless you are jade alt which is extremely possible, considering his fondness for never addressing questions directed at him.
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