May I propose a new line of skills

Racial Gunner
Racial Sharpshoote
Racial Advanced Weapon Upgrade
Racial Surgical Strik
Racial Mechanic
Racial Shield Managemen
Racial Hull Upgrades

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No, lets leave the as is, but make super carriers and titans just use one general skill across all races to be consistent. They're kinda like dreads and carriers just abit bigger and obviously don't deserve their own racial skills
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Edit: But in all seriousness, is making those 2 classes function like all the others that big an issue to you?

Just out of curiosity, you know that the only skill difference between carrier and super carrier is fighterbombers, right?

I'm loving this thread. Old vet's tears, trying to explain CCP how many years they spent training Destroyers/Racial BS/BC's to level V and how they want it refunded multiplied by x4.

You do realize that suddenly adding 6 million SP to everyone who happens to have 4 racial cruisers at 3 is rather broken?

Aside from them suddenly having much more expensive clones, what's broken about it?

"In order to simplify ship progression, we're going to split these two skills into rank 6 racial variants and make them prerequisites for further training. This will benefit new players" - CCP Ytterbium, 2012

Please go for option 2. Or enable us to opt out racial skills, we don't want.

Someone stole my point

Sorry for being a bit bitter, but it will take more than one half-decent expansion to get back into my good graces.

Well reimbursement is tricky, can't say about details yet, because we still need to think about them. Whatever this is going to be SP reimbursement or just sticking new skills, or whatever options in the middle still need to be considered.

Funny, I got somebody suggesting the very same idea regarding destroyers having a fleet defense role to me during lunch *insert tinfoil hat theory here*

Yes we do.

Come to think of it, if new players were given slight pause for thought before they rush for battleships, that probably would benefit them.

Yet, you stated it's good for them to be able and rush into T2 ship sooner!

I said it's good for them to be able to specialise sooner, and the inherent allure of T2 isn't nearly as great as that of a BS (largely because new players have a tendency to think in flawed bigger = better terms).

Newbies rushing to battleships in an age-old problems, and while having to wait a few more days won't keep them from rushing there, it gives them a tiny bit more time to think about it. Reducing the time to specialise from 100+ days to 80 days simply means the mountain won't seem as insurmountable and will maybe hint that this is actually a useful way to go. We're still talking about timeframes where GG#rushing into T2GG% is a gross exaggeration.

I said it's good for them to be able to specialise sooner, and the inherent allure of T2 isn't nearly as great as that of a BS (largely because new players have a tendency to think in flawed bigger = better terms).

Newbies rushing to battleships in an age-old problems, and while having to wait a few more days won't keep them from rushing there, it gives them a tiny bit more time to think about it.

I said it's good for them to be able to specialise sooner, and the inherent allure of T2 isn't nearly as great as that of a BS (largely because new players have a tendency to think in flawed bigger = better terms).

Newbies rushing to battleships in an age-old problems, and while having to wait a few more days won't keep them from rushing there, it gives them a tiny bit more time to think about it. Reducing the time to specialise from 100+ days to 80 days simply means the mountain won't seem as insurmountable and will maybe hint that this is actually a useful way to go. We're still talking about timeframes where GG#rushing into T2GG% is a gross exaggeration.

[Racial] Frigate III + Destroyer n GeF [racial] Destroyer n.
[Racial] Cruiser III + Battlecruiser n GeF [racial] Battlecruiser n.

Younger and new players are going to be punished. Now it will take them 4 times longer to train for BCs and destroyers then it did for me. And for no good reason.

Making an artificial bar / enabler by delaying skills (because this is the end what CCP wants to do. Else they'd split into racial skills whilst reducing the total learning time to get all BC to V) is not as sandboxy nor is player centered.

Let people be dumb, if only for the fun of the rest of EvE.

Oh and I'd say beeing forced to skill Destroyers sucks a lot more as theres only a single damn ship you get with that, and thats mostly useless after L1 Missions and forced unloading of Industrials in Jita.

Why so overcomplicated? You have bc or destroyer skill on lvl X, you will get racial bc skill on this level (skill, no free skill points) - you can fly exact the same ships as before. Only clones are more expensive.