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Ignatious Mei
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Posted - 2008.05.19 16:41:00 -
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First let me say this. I am NOT a HAC pilot. This is not a "Your a dumb @ss you should be using this fit" post this is a "This looks like it may work but no one is using it so tell me why" post.
I have noticed that people don't nano the Deimos. I was messing around in EFT with Ishtar fits (The HAC I really want to fly) and just opened up a Deimos fit for kicks. I had messed around with them on occasion but could never find something I liked. Just for fun I threw a nano fit on it. On paper (I understand that is TOTALLY different then in game which is why I am posting this thread)this fit gets 700 DPS, 3400km speed. Not the fastest nano around but decent speed and pretty hardcore firepower.
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I have a feeling that if a nano fit like this was a good idea people would be using it. I am just kind of wondering WHY its a bad idea.
Thanks all
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Ignatious Mei
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Posted - 2008.05.19 16:41:00 -
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First let me say this. I am NOT a HAC pilot. This is not a "Your a dumb @ss you should be using this fit" post this is a "This looks like it may work but no one is using it so tell me why" post.
I have noticed that people don't nano the Deimos. I was messing around in EFT with Ishtar fits (The HAC I really want to fly) and just opened up a Deimos fit for kicks. I had messed around with them on occasion but could never find something I liked. Just for fun I threw a nano fit on it. On paper (I understand that is TOTALLY different then in game which is why I am posting this thread)this fit gets 700 DPS, 3400km speed. Not the fastest nano around but decent speed and pretty hardcore firepower.
[Deimos, New Setup 1] Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty high slot]
Auxiliary Thrusters I Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Hammerhead II x5
I have a feeling that if a nano fit like this was a good idea people would be using it. I am just kind of wondering WHY its a bad idea.
Thanks all
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Inoue Zael
Sa'ju Kal
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Posted - 2008.05.19 16:47:00 -
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The first problem i would see is that you will have to be (even with null) ridiculously close to web range, which for a nano-ship is death. And since you;ve got CN AM loaded in, you're going to be deep in web range. Anything that webs you will pop you.
2 nano's and no dc? once you hit structure you'll get one volleyed.
Plus there are better/safer nano-options out there
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.05.19 16:47:00 -
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It's quite simple..it's range is terribly so it needs to go close..nanoships and closerange dont work.
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Gromik
RillaCorp Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.19 16:50:00 -
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Lots of reasons why it won't work, sorry. I'll start with your DPS...
In order to deliver that 700DPS, you'll need to be in range of your blasters, which is less than 5km. At 5km, it doesn't matter if you can go 3.4k/s, you can't possibly orbit at that speed that close. So all the 3.4k/s does for you is get you in range quickly. But once you're there, you don't have a web to hold the target still in range of you blasters. You'll also overshoot by a mile if you were at top speed when you closed...
Basically, the setup is a contradiction of tactics/capability. Blasters require close range and somewhat slow speeds. Nano-ing supports high-speed orbits that require longer range weapons. Your top speed doesn't benefit your blasters and your blasters don't benefit your speed (can't hit at range when you're trying to utilize the defensive benefit of a 3k/s nano-fit).
Basically, nano implies long range fit, blasters implies close range tank fit. The two don't mix well. When you face any tanked Deimos (passive or active), it will web you and outlast your DPS while you will melt to it's equivalent or greater DPS (you have very low EHP, as much as I hate to quote an EFT stat).
Hope that helps and doesn't come off as "NOOB!". Gromik Mining Bytes, Inc.
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Ignatious Mei
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Posted - 2008.05.19 16:51:00 -
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The range thing and having to be within web range makes perfect sense as to why its a horrible idea. So basically a Deimos is just a REALLY expensive megathron with less DPS and a little more maneuverability?
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.19 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 19/05/2008 16:53:59
Originally by: Ignatious Mei The range thing and having to be within web range makes perfect sense as to why its a horrible idea. So basically a Deimos is just a REALLY expensive megathron with less DPS and a little more maneuverability?
no.
it's a souped-up thorax that costs 10x more.
anyways to the OP: do not try to re-invent the wheel. the deimos is designed for point-blank gankage. ---
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Inoue Zael
Sa'ju Kal
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Posted - 2008.05.19 16:54:00 -
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Alot more manuevarability i would say. And its dps is amazing for a ship of its size. It is expensive sure, but most hacs are like that.
Plus in large gangs, most fc's would primary bs's over a hac, allowing the deimos to utilize its almost bs-level dps to help out its gang
What does Jury rigging V do?
Originally by: Viqtoria make courtrooms swing in your favour more often.
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Ignatious Mei
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Posted - 2008.05.19 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 19/05/2008 16:53:59
Originally by: Ignatious Mei The range thing and having to be within web range makes perfect sense as to why its a horrible idea. So basically a Deimos is just a REALLY expensive megathron with less DPS and a little more maneuverability?
no.
it's a souped-up thorax that costs 10x more.
anyways to the OP: do not try to re-invent the wheel. the deimos is designed for point-blank gankage.
I suppose I WAS trying to reinvent the wheel but I think I had a good reason lol. I just don't think the ship is that great. Seems like its a close range blaster boat without the grid/CAP to support a proper tank. Sure, you could go with a gank fit but why bother when you could go with a mega, get less maneuverability but more firepower and get a close to full refund on your investment when it pops. Not to mention you don't have to be as close with large blasters.
Hell, Even a brutix will push 650 DPS with good skills. If this thing is supposed to be a true blaster boat they should add a midslot so you can put a cap injector on and mount a 1/2 way decent active tank. Sure, you Could leave off a web or a point but not having those on a blaster boat is like a ordering a t-bone at a vegetarian BBQ.
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Gimpb
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Posted - 2008.05.19 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ignatious Mei The range thing and having to be within web range makes perfect sense as to why its a horrible idea. So basically a Deimos is just a REALLY expensive megathron with less DPS and a little more maneuverability?
Well, you could put rails on it but then it's more or less a slow vaga.
It is also hard to justify over the ishtar which is quite strong in its own ways.
The general consensus seems to be the diemos is weak among HACs. I don't have the experience to say myself, but that's what others tend to say.
Also consider that people like to put shield extenders on nanos to give a buffer tank, especially on the ishtar. This can give the nanos a very high effective hp without costing them speed and is one of the major things that makes nanos so hard to kill.
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Bronson Hughes
The. Conspiracy
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Posted - 2008.05.19 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Bronson Hughes on 19/05/2008 17:11:31 I have flown against a few nano-Deimoses, but they were all rail boats. Their DPS wasn't spectacular, but the one I fought that impressed me used his MWD in bursts to keep himself at about 18km while taking potshots with his rails. The whole thing was a standoff, but eventually he flew off out of scram range and I warped off; I'm guessing he ran out of cap and I didn't want to wait on his friends to show up.
Basically, a good nano-ship needs long range, cap-free weapons to be really effective. Mind you, a few speed mods on a Deimos wouldn't be a horrible thing since it would let you get into blaster range that much faster, but that isn't really considered a speed-tank.
EDIT: Originally by: Gimpb
The general consensus seems to be the diemos is weak among nano-HACs.
Fixed. It's a lousy nano-HAC, but no other HAC will match it in an in-your-face, high-DPS slugfest. It's not as popular because it's essentially a suicide ship, and an expensive one at that, whilst nano-HACs are 'fly fast and fly again' ships. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne |
Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.05.19 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Gimpb Also consider that people like to put shield extenders on nanos to give a buffer tank, especially on the ishtar. This can give the nanos a very high effective hp without costing them speed and is one of the major things that makes nanos so hard to kill.
If you use EM damage against a non-minmatar t2 nano ship it's going to evaporate in a puff of unresisted hitpoints.
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Dearest Wish
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.19 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Dearest Wish on 19/05/2008 17:53:04
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Stuart Price
Caldari Black Water.
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Posted - 2008.05.19 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dearest Wish Edited by: Dearest Wish on 19/05/2008 17:53:04
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Something like this. No buffer but its quick and actually decent effective firepower for a nanoship. I'd still rather have a Zealot or Sacrilege though :p "I got soul but I'm not a soldier" |
Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.19 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ignatious Mei
Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 19/05/2008 16:53:59
Originally by: Ignatious Mei The range thing and having to be within web range makes perfect sense as to why its a horrible idea. So basically a Deimos is just a REALLY expensive megathron with less DPS and a little more maneuverability?
no.
it's a souped-up thorax that costs 10x more.
anyways to the OP: do not try to re-invent the wheel. the deimos is designed for point-blank gankage.
I suppose I WAS trying to reinvent the wheel but I think I had a good reason lol. I just don't think the ship is that great. Seems like its a close range blaster boat without the grid/CAP to support a proper tank. Sure, you could go with a gank fit but why bother when you could go with a mega, get less maneuverability but more firepower and get a close to full refund on your investment when it pops. Not to mention you don't have to be as close with large blasters.
Hell, Even a brutix will push 650 DPS with good skills. If this thing is supposed to be a true blaster boat they should add a midslot so you can put a cap injector on and mount a 1/2 way decent active tank. Sure, you Could leave off a web or a point but not having those on a blaster boat is like a ordering a t-bone at a vegetarian BBQ.
usually, blasterboats are do-or-die ships.
try to fit a tank with a neutron fit on the thron or brutix or even the hype and you'll come short of grid.
the lack of cap and tanking bonuses of the deimos however opens a set of options that the brutix, astarte or hyperion don't have the luxury of do, wich is pretty much cram the highs with neutrons, slap 3 dmg mods, a suitcase, a explosive hardener and a small repper to repair armor between fights. cap in the deimos is only really essential if the enemy isn't dead after the first minute, which means that you made a mistake anyways, since the deimos shines the brightest in lighter gangs as the heavy-duty damage dealer.
fast point-blank ganking machine? yes very fast solo-wtfpwn solo ganking machine? no ---
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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.05.19 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ignatious Mei If this thing is supposed to be a true blaster boat they should add a midslot so you can put a cap injector on and mount a 1/2 way decent active tank.
nice troll.
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Inoue Zael
Sa'ju Kal
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Posted - 2008.05.19 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ignatious Mei If this thing is supposed to be a true blaster boat they should add a midslot so you can put a cap injector on and mount a 1/2 way decent active tank.
They had plans to make it a 6/4/5 layout for the deimos and removed one of the bonii (forgot which) for a armor repair bonus which would have made it a suckier more expensive brutix. Lots of deimos pilots whined, and the change didnt go through.
I know this would be overpowered but i personally would have liked a 5/4/6 layout
What does Jury rigging V do?
Originally by: Viqtoria make courtrooms swing in your favour more often.
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Ignatious Mei
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Posted - 2008.05.20 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Stakhanov
Originally by: Ignatious Mei If this thing is supposed to be a true blaster boat they should add a midslot so you can put a cap injector on and mount a 1/2 way decent active tank.
nice troll.
I don't get it. How was that a troll?
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thisismyalt
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Posted - 2008.05.20 03:25:00 -
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to the op.
you will never hit anything unless you slow down, if you slow down in a nano hac, you get webbed and you die.
nano ishtar is a wonderful choice, as is nano vaga.
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Grapez
Sky Net Industries Pure.
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Posted - 2008.05.20 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ignatious Mei
Originally by: Stakhanov
Originally by: Ignatious Mei If this thing is supposed to be a true blaster boat they should add a midslot so you can put a cap injector on and mount a 1/2 way decent active tank.
nice troll.
I don't get it. How was that a troll?
A while back the Deimos was going to be changed in just this way. Made it all the way to Sisi and into the patch notes. Enough Gallente HAC pilots complained to prevent it however, and good for them.
In gang PvP, an active tank isn't going to do squat for you. If your gang ends up fighting > 5 others at once, a primaried, webbed HAC would go under before the second or fourth rep/boost cycle completes. Armor reppers are additionally disadvangtaged because they only add HP at the end of their cycle, unlike shield boosters. The Deimos in particular is ever more disadvantaged because to deal it's damage it has to be in web range, where it receives the full force of enemy fire. Deimos pilots are better off removing the repper completely and using the spare CPU/PG to fit bigger guns or an armor plate.
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mama guru
Gallente Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.20 06:12:00 -
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Hey guys, be nice. Lets not steal garmon of his future PVP footage.
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Kaben
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Posted - 2008.05.20 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: Inoue Zael
Originally by: Ignatious Mei If this thing is supposed to be a true blaster boat they should add a midslot so you can put a cap injector on and mount a 1/2 way decent active tank.
They had plans to make it a 6/4/5 layout for the deimos and removed one of the bonii (forgot which) for a armor repair bonus which would have made it a suckier more expensive brutix. Lots of deimos pilots whined, and the change didnt go through.
I know this would be overpowered but i personally would have liked a 5/4/6 layout
They were changing mwd cap penalty to armor rep. Armor rep amount will do jack if you don't have a buffer or resists to sustain damage long enough for armor rep bonus to take effect and loosing a low slot doesn't help this. In the end the only thing the deimos would've been good at is solo, like you said though, a suckier more expensive brutix.
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Euriti
Gallente Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.05.20 06:25:00 -
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http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/7198/nanodeimosnd1.jpg
Is the closest I came to a working nano deimos and it's still god damned horrible compared to the Ishtar or vagabond or zealot.
Doesn't work, do a
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Or the neutron gank instead.
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Tolsimir Wolfblood
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Posted - 2008.05.20 13:09:00 -
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Also i find with a demios while in a gang or fleet u already should have 1 or 2 fast movers a recon or two and then ur dammage. So removing the disruptor or web for a cap booster in this situation wouldnt be a bad thing. In Solo PvP a nanoed ishtar is a wise choice but PvP isnt really 1v1 any more now is it?
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Plave Okice
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.05.20 13:46:00 -
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Ex corpmate flew a nano rail deimos which kind of performed well until you realise he just got comprehensively outdamaged by the nano ishtars the rest of us flew.
Not quite a nano fit but the ninjasniper deimos works ok, just not as well as the munin or zealot.
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Polly Prissypantz
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Posted - 2008.05.20 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dearest Wish Edited by: Dearest Wish on 19/05/2008 17:53:04
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Unless you slow down while orbiting your target your rails are not going to track it. Now, in controlled situations such as ganking ratters, etc you have the freedom to slow down and shoot, but in hectic multiple ship vs ship battles you really need to be able to keep up top speed at all times which means you'll be relying almost exclusively on your drones for DPS... In which case you may as well just fly an Ishtar.
Also, I'm not sure how you managed to fit this all on. Even with the level 5 template there is not enough grid. You'd need a grid implant in slot 1 (5% for AWU4 and 3% for AWU5) which means no Rogue agility implant.
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Grytok
moon7empler Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.05.20 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Polly Prissypantz
Originally by: Dearest Wish Edited by: Dearest Wish on 19/05/2008 17:53:04
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Unless you slow down while orbiting your target your rails are not going to track it. Now, in controlled situations such as ganking ratters, etc you have the freedom to slow down and shoot, but in hectic multiple ship vs ship battles you really need to be able to keep up top speed at all times which means you'll be relying almost exclusively on your drones for DPS... In which case you may as well just fly an Ishtar.
Also, I'm not sure how you managed to fit this all on. Even with the level 5 template there is not enough grid. You'd need a grid implant in slot 1 (5% for AWU4 and 3% for AWU5) which means no Rogue agility implant.
You need to slow down with every nanoHAC to deal damage, except the Ishtar. Wether the Vagabond nor the Zealot can track at 3000+m/sec, you'll allways have to divebomb your target to hit it at speed and in this situation 200mm Rails will also hit the target -> no transversal.
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Does not have the same impact as the 200mm Rails, but at least the Dual 150mm track a little bit better, and combined with the Drones you'll have somewhat the same DPS like a nano-Zealot or Vaga when you kite them at full speed. With turned off MWD the Dual 150mm' will track just fine from 15km distance.
I absolutely dislike this setup and wish for some changes, to be able flying closerange again .
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Durethia
Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.20 17:50:00 -
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To the op...
Nano Deimos isn't all that practical. When people say it's a blaster boat, they aren't just saying so because of the damage bonus compiled with the high damage of blasters... other bonuses also encourage blasters as well, such as a falloff bonus rather than an optimal range bonus.
That said, this is also the reason, why Railguns on a Deimos isn't all that common. You will see it from time to time, but it's not the norm, and it can be argued that a Rail Deimos isn't as versatile as it would be as a blaster boat. With rails, it's increased range tarnishes the role of the Deimos over those more suitable for mid-range/long-range cruiser combat such as the Zealot.
Now, as a nano ship... The rail setups given are your best bet for a successful op with a nano-Deimos. Blasters on a nano ship just won't do. A Deimos has a reputation to begin with, and especially in a small gang, it will likely be called primary. With literally no tank, you'll basically become a hapless screaming school girl.
If you want an effective Gallente NanoPwn ship, there has been much success and claim to a nano-Ishtar. Largely because one can put their Ogre IIs on the target, and scurry off to a safe distance as fast as they can, and not suffer DPS loss. This can not be done with the Deimos to any comparable degree.
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sh4rp ov3rvolt
Hikage Corporation Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.05.20 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: sh4rp ov3rvolt on 20/05/2008 19:42:57 Edited by: sh4rp ov3rvolt on 20/05/2008 19:41:39
Originally by: Inoue Zael Plus in large gangs, most fc's would primary bs's over a hac, allowing the deimos to utilize its almost bs-level dps to help out its gang
If by "large" you do not mean 30vs30 or more, then let me tell you that a FC who wants to reduce incoming DPS and doesn't primary Deimoses is just plain stupid.
Originally by: Grimpak it's a souped-up thorax that costs 10x more.
question is: advantages over thorax are worth the price tag (expecially if you fly it in gang)?
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Polly Prissypantz
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Posted - 2008.05.21 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Grytok You need to slow down with every nanoHAC to deal damage, except the Ishtar.
Perhaps you mean every turret based nanoHAC.
Quote: Wether the Vagabond nor the Zealot can track at 3000+m/sec, you'll allways have to divebomb your target to hit it at speed and in this situation 200mm Rails will also hit the target -> no transversal.
The Vagabond has a much higher top speed that makes dive-bombing and starting/stopping a more effective tactic. It's top speed also makes it a more effective tackler and more survivable in general. The Zealot can fit pulse lasers which track a lot better than railguns and are still reasonably effective at high speeds (although the range blows). Ships such as the Cerb and Sacrilege can load up on missiles and never have to slow down while always applying damage (although the Cerb is pretty hard to fit for perma-mwd).
I'm not necessarily against using the Deimos as a nano ship, I'm just not convinced that given the other choices available, that it's a good ship to use for nanoing.
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