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Originally by: Kel Nissa

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3 months old thread already now and not even a comment.

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Thats the reason for my proposal: ISK donations to get devs looking into specific ideas

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Originally by: Sheriff Jones

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Originally by: Milia Jenius

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Edited by: Milia Jenius on 23/08/2008 03:34:22

Originally by: Lord Fitz

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Looking at the listed HP of Citadel torps, this should not be possible, but on the test server it is, so something is wrong, something with supposedly over 2300 HP is being brought down by 600 damage. You only need 2 smartbombs to do it, you should need at least 5.

The pre/post siege thing, unfortunately that was an exploit fix. I remember the good old days when you used to be able to drive a phoenix or three outside a POS shield, let off 3 volleys, re-enter the POS shield and hit siege, with torps doing full siege damage, and your phoenix's able to insta pop another dread (pre HP boost) while immune to repercussions. Mind you at that point POS's were a little more nasty to small ships, so it wasn't as easy to be tackled on your way out and back in.

I can't think of any good way to fix that, you shouldn't be letting them off pre-siege, and expecting anything (maybe at most normal damage though this may be harder to calculate), and post-siege again, yep, you lose damage, one reason I guess to not single cycle siege, risk/reward etc etc.

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Possible Solutions to Citadel Torpedo Issue


1. Citadel torps before/after siege cycle do 0 damage

To prevent the "fire and hide" exploit, add a piece of code in the siege module to Disallow entering siege mode inside POS shields, and fix a dread's location in space to disallow bumping back into POS after "Siege & fire". There is no point entering siege mode in a POS anyways.

For the similar modules, changes can possibily be done too. Who enters triage mode in a POS shield? Similar changes can be done but there is no much point doing it. The industrial core is fine as it is, just leave it


2. Citadel torps easily destroyed by smartbombs

Missile destruction should be in the domain of defender missiles, leave smartbombs out of the equation, they are for drones & fighters.

The simple solution to this is simple (Ooops! )

- Increase the HP of ALL MISSILES by 10 folds

- Increase the damage of DEFENDER MISSILES by 10 folds

This will allow the defender missiles to do its job while leaving missiles close to unkillable to smartbombs. Smartbombs won't be affected as they can still kill drones and fighters.



These issues affect 2 out of total 4 dreads in EVE and possibily those who decide to mount citadel torp launchers on their titans, PLEASE get this fixed or at least gives us a reply ASAP


Just my 2 cents

Don't think you need 10 fold increase. Enough to survive 2 hits from Smartbombs would be enough for citatel torps. SWo you can stil defend yourself from them, but to do so you need to use 3 modules. (think its fair since the phoenix is firing with 3 modules on you..)

- Milia Jenius

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Originally by: John Zorg

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Hi All,

I havn't got my pheonix yet but I have been playing around with the Dread on the test server. What a waste of time :\ I have changed my training entirely because of this reason.

Please can it be looked at.

JZ

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Originally by: Sheriff Jones

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Originally by: John Zorg

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I havn't got my pheonix yet but I have been playing around with the Dread on the test server. What a waste of time :\ I have changed my training entirely because of this reason.

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Originally by: Ignition SemperFi

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whats sad is CCP pretending like this isnt a problem atm, and moving it to this board which hardly gets looked at.

Thats like saying we understand we did something with unforseen consequences, but when you bring them up... its not a problem, its just a feature


come on!

/resigned and back to the top

just because all of eve isnt yelling like the nano nerf doesnt mean this is any less of an issue. Having a 1.8b+fittings ship have its entire weapon system(the only reason its in the game is weapons) nulled out by 2 sub 1mill costing items or 1 faction item, fitted on any ship that can fit large smarties... let alone the capital ships it was entended to kill.

This is in no way right. The evidence is there CCP, ignoring it isnt an option

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Originally by: Sheriff Jones

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devs dont need isk Neutral

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Originally by: BiggestT

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Originally by: white kight

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WOW that sucks. CCP don't think that Cit. Torps are broken.........They obviously have never looked at the killmails that we post, EVERY SINGLE ONE WITH PHOENIX'S/NALFALGARS NEAR OR AT THE BOTTOM BECAUSE OUR FING TORPS GET BLOWN UP!!!!!!!!! Thank CCP for allowing me to train for something that doesn't even work properly, 4 bil later and still nothing has been changed. Cheers for that. The Phoenix in terms of all the other dreads is shit at the end of the day. It tanks the least, and does the least amount of damage on another capital than any other dread, or most battleships for that matter. CCP need to look at this instead of them trying to say that they are right all the time and never make a mistake.

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if ONLY u cldve said that in the topic where the dev repsonded before he locked the thread..
THAT wldve been v.nice to see

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Originally by: white kight

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Edit: You can say shit on the forum??? Still not allowed to say ****pit tho

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Originally by: Sheriff Jones

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Originally by: aldarrin

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Signed. I'd rather see smartbombs do zero damage against missiles.

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Originally by: Kagura Nikon

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Originally by: aldarrin

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Signed. I'd rather see smartbombs do zero damage against missiles.

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don' t think zero. But citatel torps coudl have their speed doubled. So a single smart bobm woudl not be able to get most of them.

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Originally by: white kight

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Originally by: Kagura Nikon

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Originally by: aldarrin

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Signed. I'd rather see smartbombs do zero damage against missiles.

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don' t think zero. But citatel torps coudl have their speed doubled. So a single smart bobm woudl not be able to get most of them.

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Most???? Try all of them. A phoenix's main dps in a fleet fight is drones........until the smartbombs get them too!!!!

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Originally by: BiggestT

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http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=774603

lol yet another post in game development that was replied to by casquade, who insists that it shldnt be in the forum coz its not a literal "bug" (but doesnt say a word about all the boost ship X and boost module X topics which arent about "bugs")

Not happy jan

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Originally by: white kight

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Originally by: Kagura Nikon

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Originally by: aldarrin

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Signed. I'd rather see smartbombs do zero damage against missiles.

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don' t think zero. But citatel torps coudl have their speed doubled. So a single smart bobm woudl not be able to get most of them.

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Most???? Try all of them. A phoenix's main dps in a fleet fight is drones........until the smartbombs get them too!!!!

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Originally by: white kight

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Edited by: white kight on 29/08/2008 16:21:18
Edited by: white kight on 29/08/2008 16:10:40
Edited by: white kight on 29/08/2008 14:40:40
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=857880
We have our response guys. It appears that CCP are looking into this we just haven't had a response saying that they are.

EDIT: I FAIL AT LINKING - Check Game Development Forum to see what i mean lol

White

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CCP Casqade
Posted - 2008.08.29 10:19:00 - [5]

The current mechanic is that torpedoes gets blown up if they take too much damage. This can be done by using a smartbomb or defender missiles.

This is not a bug, since it is by design.

If you think that the design should change, then you are welcome to make a suggestion in the "Features and Ideas discussion forum".

If you want to talk about bugs, then you should bug report the issue after which you are welcome to make a thread about it here.

Again, calling game mechanics you do not like "Broken" and saying that they should be "Fixed" is not the right way to go.
Making a thread in the "Features and Ideas discussion" where you state what the problem is, why it is a problem, how you suggest it should be changed/balanced is constructive.

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CCP Casqade
Posted - 2008.08.29 11:06:00 - [7]

What I am saying is this: It is not a bug, therefore it should not be in this forum.
I am also saying this: It might need to be balanced, but this is not the correct forum for that. Suggestions go to the "Features and Ideas discussion" forum.

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CCP Casqade
Posted - 2008.08.29 11:27:00 - [9]

Yes, exactly that. Which is a thread I've linked everyone to that believes that this is a bug so far.
But people seem to insist that smartbombs affecting Citadel Torpedoes is a bug and keep making threads about it in the Game Development forum.

Previous thread: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=846799

If you know bugs that affect the Citadel torpedo, I'm very willing to look into it and discuss them here.

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