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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2008.05.14 07:54:00 -
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Greyscale is not just writing a blog, he's promising us a series of blogs, and they'll all be about our next expansion, Empyrean Age! He begins with an overview of the expansion, writing about the main feature which is Factional Warfare. The Empyrean Age and all that û An overview is a Dev Blog no serious EVE capsuleer can afford to miss.
Wrangler Community Manager CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang
"It's not worth doing something unless you are doing something that someone, somewhere, would much rather you weren't doing." |
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Ironhelix Sr
Tri-Helix Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.14 08:03:00 -
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Woohoo!!!!
I think that sums up my feelings quite well.
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.05.14 08:06:00 -
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yaay thought we'd have to wait live dev blog for summarization. :)
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Helison
Gallente Times of Ancar Pure.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 08:16:00 -
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Edited by: Helison on 14/05/2008 08:16:04 Black Rise. Nice region. Let¦s take it.
Thanks for this Blog, even if it is a bit late and if most really interesting questions are still open, but you have to answer something in the LiveDevBlog.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.14 08:16:00 -
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New regions are nice and such, question is how will factional warfare impact lag etc? Better worse, more nodes?
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ArmyOfMe
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.05.14 08:29:00 -
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sweet. i cant wait to test this
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Kerosene
Caldari Fun Inc Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.05.14 08:30:00 -
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How easy was adding the new mini-region? Has this opened up the possibility of significantly expanding eve to cater for the new player base? __ Eve. Eve eve eve eve. EVE. Eve. Eve eve eve eve eve eve EVE eve eve. - Kerosene
The way to stop isk farmers is to STOP BUYING ISK.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.14 08:37:00 -
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Words can describe how ****ing excited I am!
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.14 08:46:00 -
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\o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
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CCP Lingorm
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Posted - 2008.05.14 08:51:00 -
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Factional warfare is not just in Low-sec. It is just concentrated there.
If you sign up for a faction you can be attacked by anyone in opposing factions anywhere. it is that in low-sec we have marked out control points which will bring the combat to them making it easier for you to find and take part in.
You can sign up as an individual or you can sigh your entire corp up to fight for a faction.
CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader
Originally by: Lord Fitz Eve is to WoW as Wow is to an 8 player game of Unreal Tournament.
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Ishina Fel
Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.05.14 08:59:00 -
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Edited by: Ishina Fel on 14/05/2008 08:59:41 Hot stuff.
I have a question, though - from your design specifications, how feasible will it be for a solo player to do anything there? I am a part of a 0.0 sov holding alliance, and as such, will not be able to experience factional warfare in a group (we've got more important things to do than mess up our NPC standings on a large scale, really ).
But assuming that I, as a single player, want to at least take a look at the new content, just to see it for the sake of seeing it? I know that I can sign up solo for a faction, but:
- What are the options apart from just grabbing a cruiser, fitting MWD, scram and web and prowling the area in hopes of finding someone from the opposing faction in a weaker ship? - Can the missions you speak of be done solo, or do they have a group focus? - Can I just fly up to an open warfare objective and join an impromptu gang if there's one, or are they instanced/deadspaced? - Are there open warfare objectives that can be achieved solo, assuming your ship is powerful enough and no enemy gang comes to disturb you?
And most importantly:
- If you are signed up for faction X and aggress at a gate, will the lowsec gate guns of faction X shoot you or not?
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Sir JoJo
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.14 09:01:00 -
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PVP instance is bad for eve Mkay!!
u might not directly say it but its easy to figure from what u say that basiclly thats some of the **** thats comming in,
pvp instance will drain 0.0 from even more of the smal scale combat going on there, all theres left now is Blobs
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.14 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Lingorm
If you sign up for a faction you can be attacked by anyone in opposing factions anywhere.
Really? That's hot!
So attacking an enemy faction in low-sec will not cause sentry aggro either, correct?
Can one sign up with pirate factions, or even for nobody, and be hostile to everybody?
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari Noob Much Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 09:11:00 -
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Edited by: Cheyenne Shadowborn on 14/05/2008 09:13:38 I like the idea of factional warfare, and especially ranks and maybe other achievments, medals, ribbons the like.
However ... I predict that factional warfare will be an epic fail at getting significantly more ppl into low sec or 0.0 unless done properly.
Why is that?
Because lets face it: Lots of people among e.g. my friends who play Eve virtually require the safety of Empire. They mine or produce stuff all day and run missions, and numbers suggest high sec dwellers are by far the largest part of the population.
You can swing the carrot of conquerable low sec systems or whatnot all day long, the basic thing remains: Some people just can't stand the thought of loosing expensive ships. Who seriously expects someone who barely has 200M on his account, which he mined or got from level 3 missions over, say, 3 months, to burn a HAC in low sec combat? And IIRC most people are in that cash range, NOT in the multi billion ISK range that a few lucky ones enjoy.
Those few people who are lucky enough to make enough cash to burn a few significant ships a week in combat are already living in 0.0 anyway.
So the best way to get people involved in low sec factional warfare, IMHO, is to revise insurance so that ships including T2 AND modules are insurable for, say, 80% of the worth. That will reduce the time people need to grind for a new ship and modules to 20% - equally for all players.
That, or have the faction agents provide free frigs, dessies and cruisers to the combatants.
Thats just my $0.02. --
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Nuyan Zahedi
Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.05.14 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Lingorm Factional warfare is not just in Low-sec. It is just concentrated there.
If you sign up for a faction you can be attacked by anyone in opposing factions anywhere. it is that in low-sec we have marked out control points which will bring the combat to them making it easier for you to find and take part in.
You can sign up as an individual or you can sigh your entire corp up to fight for a faction.
Now that's exactly where I was hoping for. Whatever the mission and structure stuff will be, no matter how crappy, FW is an awesome addition to the game already because of this. -- My blog
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.05.14 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Lingorm Factional warfare is not just in Low-sec. It is just concentrated there.
If you sign up for a faction you can be attacked by anyone in opposing factions anywhere. it is that in low-sec we have marked out control points which will bring the combat to them making it easier for you to find and take part in.
You can sign up as an individual or you can sigh your entire corp up to fight for a faction.
Very cool. From the wording and implication of the usage of words in what was said, suggests that it was low sec only.
So the war essentially becomes everywhere? I don't know if you recall the privateers way back when waging war against like 100 corps/alliances was plausible. Will it essentially be like that? As I'd expect hundreds if not thousands online at the time will join if this is the case.
I just think the low sec part may be much more unlikely. You may get some concentration there but it would be everywhere.
I would like some more clarification on the implication of:
Quote: And what do points mean? Systems! As your faction racks up points in hostile systems, control will slowly swing into your favor, until eventually you're given the opportunity to occupy the system outright. Of course, the enemy's trying to do the same to your systems, so a good defense as well as well as a strong offense will be needed if you want your adopted faction to prevail and dominate!
Will it be true sovereignty then? I can't see why that wouldnt be so? Such that cynojammers being allowed to be put up and the holder's right to hold the system through cap ships could be very cool.
I'm also wondering. Since you can individually join up. Could there even be systems which become occupied by 1 character?
One final question :)
Gallente and Caldari only have been discussed here and in the storyline news recently it has only been caldari and gallente. With the lone minmatar story. Is Caldari and Gallente only going to be the ones at war? lets say us Amarr-loyals :) want to join. Is amarr just going to be allied with caldari but we really fight for caldari?
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.14 09:20:00 -
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Edited by: ArchenTheGreat on 14/05/2008 09:22:43
Originally by: CCP Lingorm If you sign up for a faction you can be attacked by anyone in opposing factions anywhere. it is that in low-sec we have marked out control points which will bring the combat to them making it easier for you to find and take part in.
I predict Caldari-oriented pilots camping entries to those low sec regions. Basicly: welcome camps and blobs.
How exactly do you want to avoid blobing control points and camps on choke points to them?
Oh, and Jita 4-4 will be heavenly place to camp for Faction Warfare pilots.
Mark my words: there is no place for small scale warfare in EVE anymore, unless you significantly change game mechanics.
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Bartholomeus Crane
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Posted - 2008.05.14 09:23:00 -
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OK, this sounds interesting. But with small gang warfare on tap through Factional Warfare, who'll need to go to 0.0? Could you explain to me how this isn't the death of small gang warfare in alliance warfare? -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Gal'tashec
Gallente Raptus Regaliter Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.14 09:28:00 -
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So are you talking about consentual pvp battlegrounds here? *shudder* The blog describes it all very arcady.. still keeping my hopes up for this and I'll be following the upcoming blogs that hatch out the concept --- CEO of Raptus Regaliter Always in the lookout for good pilots |
Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.05.14 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Lingorm If you sign up for a faction you can be attacked by anyone in opposing factions anywhere.
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You can sign up as an individual or you can sign your entire corp up to fight for a faction.
Will it be possible to retire from a faction if you are tired of the fighting and want to do other stuff instead?
Or is signing up a decision which cannot be taken back ever?
And if it is possible to retire, are there plans to prevent "faction hopping" - players/corps switching forth and back between the different factions every so often. For example, do you need some high standings first to be able to join a faction and doing so drops the standings of the opposing faction(s) big time?
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.05.14 09:33:00 -
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Quote: Really? That's hot!ShockedCool So attacking an enemy faction in low-sec will not cause sentry aggro either, correct? Can one sign up with pirate factions, or even for nobody, and be hostile to everybody?
Well it's factional WARfare. The targets would be war targets then. Blinking default orange most likely. So yes you would be able to fight them without turrets or concord. My issue was that I thought it was going to be moreso low-sec free-for-all where the region is contested and there are no turrets even placed yet sort of deal.
Quote: You can swing the carrot of conquerable low sec systems or whatnot all day long, the basic thing remains: Some people just can't stand the thought of loosing expensive ships. Who seriously expects someone who barely has 200M on his account, which he mined or got from level 3 missions over, say, 3 months, to burn a HAC in low sec combat? And IIRC most people are in that cash range, NOT in the multi billion ISK range that a few lucky ones enjoy.
the hell... I've made 300mil in the last like 5 days doing lvl4s and other assorted things. All high-sec carebear type things. The market is very weak in my area and easily manipulated :) I seriously sell omber for 3-4x the value and it goes like hotcakes in amarr space :)
The reality though is that if you cant afford to loose the ship. You dont fly the ship. I remember back in the old days of nanodomis and nanophoons, effective nos, and myrmidons that tanked like 2000omni passively :) Before I got the skills appropriate for one of the myrmidons. I couldn't afford much. So I literally flew a Tristan with a warp jammer and mwd. I loose it... I can go kill 3 rats in low sec and afford to buy another. I was also effective in tackling people.
Quote: So the best way to get people involved in low sec factional warfare, IMHO, is to revise insurance so that ships including T2 AND modules are insurable for, say, 80% of the worth. That will reduce the time people need to grind for a new ship and modules to 20% - equally for all players.
The real problem with low sec is that pirates will get over there and not be associated with anyone so they can fire at all of the above. Which low sec is a ghost town recently. They know people will be going out there with fancy t2 stuff and such. So pirates will kill both sides before they can kill the others.
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El'essar Viocragh
Minmatar KULT Production Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.05.14 10:04:00 -
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Edited by: El''essar Viocragh on 14/05/2008 10:08:14 Edited by: El''essar Viocragh on 14/05/2008 10:06:49
Originally by: Jason Edwards The real problem with low sec is that pirates will get over there and not be associated with anyone so they can fire at all of the above. Which low sec is a ghost town recently. They know people will be going out there with fancy t2 stuff and such. So pirates will kill both sides before they can kill the others.
Ok, let's say you are into the storyline stuff of Eve and want to get some amarrian lowsec systems for the minmatar empire.
First, you send in a couple of pvp'ers to clean it, then you send in the missionrunners to achieve mission stuff and conquer strategic points and stuff so sov changes. And now you try to defend that space.
Exactly at which point of either the cleansing or the defending part do you care if your enemy is a pirate or an amarrian?
I hope the sentries support local forces and stations deny hostile docking. With shootable station services and sentries of course. -- [17:47] <Mephysto> its dead, jim |
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CCP Greyscale
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Posted - 2008.05.14 10:08:00 -
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The plan is for the next blog to cover signup, ranks and related systems, and the one after to cover combat in its many forms. I'm going to skip questions on those issues for now - if the appropriate blog doesn't answer your question, re-ask it in the appropriate thread I'm aiming to get the structure of the entire design down in blogs, so just keep reading!
Originally by: Kerosene How easy was adding the new mini-region? Has this opened up the possibility of significantly expanding eve to cater for the new player base?
Not as straightforward as we'd initially thought, to be honest There's a lot of little things that need to be done plus some heavy lifting by Prism X. It's something we now know how to do, but equally it's not something that we're keen to repeat in the near future, for two reasons. The first is that it's not straightforward to do.
The second is that we're not convinced that "more space" is an answer to anything. Hisec as a whole is not, as far as I'm aware, actually crowded right now - yes there are hot spots, but on the flipside, who here lives in Kador? Anyone? Similiarly in 0.0, on the one hand the good bits seem crowded, but on the other hand last time I was out there there were huge swathes of systems that were left unused due to being a bit rubbish, and also each system can sustainably support a very small number of people. Making better use of existing space may make more sense than simply adding more lightly-used systems.
Originally by: Chribba how will factional warfare impact lag etc? Better worse, more nodes?
This is one of the things we're hoping to quantify on Saturday, so please encourage everyone you know to show up (ok, in your particular case, maybe not everybody you know, if thirty thousand people show up SiSi may have issues)
Originally by: Ishina Fel But assuming that I, as a single player, want to at least take a look at the new content, just to see it for the sake of seeing it? I know that I can sign up solo for a faction, but:
This is something that should become clearer over the next few blogs, but for now let me just say that while there's no functional limitations on what you can do solo, you may want to try and find some ad-hoc FW-buddies to give you a bit of leverage Oh, and sentry guns only fire on criminals.
Originally by: Sir JoJo PVP instance is bad for eve Mkay!!
/signed. We don't like, want or use instancing*
Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Some people just can't stand the thought of loosing expensive ships.
This is something we're fully aware of and we hope we've found something approaching a solution. Wait for the combat blog to explain more
*Technically and strictly speaking, all missions and complexes and exploration sites are instanced, but we have no plans of sealing them off to other players in the way other games tend to
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Hugh Ruka
Caldari Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.05.14 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Lingorm Factional warfare is not just in Low-sec. It is just concentrated there.
If you sign up for a faction you can be attacked by anyone in opposing factions anywhere. it is that in low-sec we have marked out control points which will bring the combat to them making it easier for you to find and take part in.
You can sign up as an individual or you can sigh your entire corp up to fight for a faction.
Bolded part: does it mean I can also attack the opposing faction anywhere ? I mean let's take a stealth bomber to a newbie zone of the opposing empire and smoke some folks ... or camp Jita just for the fun of it ??? --- SIG --- Goumindong for CSM. |
Nofonno
Amarr Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.05.14 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: Nofonno on 14/05/2008 10:22:39 Edited by: Nofonno on 14/05/2008 10:22:23 So far, so good. I'm really anxious to see the other blogs, too and I will be on SiSi to see how it works before I flame or praise anyone
EDIT: After re-reading, I saw first that FW is PvP oriented, but then I saw word "missions" -- so there will be PvE elements to the FW as well?
A scientist must be an optimist at heart - to have the strength to rally against a chorus of voices saying "it cannot be done". |
Garr Anders
Minmatar Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.14 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale The plan is for the next blog to cover signup, ranks and related systems, and the one after to cover combat in its many forms. I'm going to skip questions on those issues for now - if the appropriate blog doesn't answer your question, re-ask it in the appropriate thread I'm aiming to get the structure of the entire design down in blogs, so just keep reading! ....
Please, please, please publish these other blogs before the Live Blog so we can condense the questions on the Live Blog a bit . ----- Garr Anders
"The only winning move is not to play" is about the best damn advice anyone can get regarding arguing over the internet. - referring to the Movie WarGames 1983
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CCP Lingorm
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Posted - 2008.05.14 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh Ruka Bolded part: does it mean I can also attack the opposing faction anywhere ? I mean let's take a stealth bomber to a newbie zone of the opposing empire and smoke some folks ... or camp Jita just for the fun of it ???
You can not go killing noobs with impunity by signing up. You can go killing anyone signed up to an opposed faction.
Greyscale will post more details later. Not going to steal his thunder.
CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader
Originally by: Lord Fitz Eve is to WoW as Wow is to an 8 player game of Unreal Tournament.
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.05.14 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh Ruka
Originally by: CCP Lingorm Factional warfare is not just in Low-sec. It is just concentrated there.
If you sign up for a faction you can be attacked by anyone in opposing factions anywhere. it is that in low-sec we have marked out control points which will bring the combat to them making it easier for you to find and take part in.
You can sign up as an individual or you can sigh your entire corp up to fight for a faction.
Bolded part: does it mean I can also attack the opposing faction anywhere ? I mean let's take a stealth bomber to a newbie zone of the opposing empire and smoke some folks ... or camp Jita just for the fun of it ???
Mmmm stealth bomber in newbie zone. My nemesis is getting so eager.
No you need to remember that this will be opt-in. Virtually all people call for that clearly. CCP would be mad to do otherwise. So newbies wouldn't be opting in.. meaning they wont be targets.
Though camping jita certainly will be happening.
Though honestly I think the reality will be far more comparable to say the privateers way back. There was enough corps in the privateers that they were almost everywhere or at least you'd very well expect them around. They camped jita like mad. They also put up big camps in other systems. Like kaputenen or however you spell it.
While still holding decent sized camps in oursulaert and such.
The interesting thing however is that the groups the privateers were fighting weren't together and such. This factional warfare will apparently be like that... but it will be faction vs faction with intel channels. So perhaps it will be balanced.
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Larissa Newport
Tempered Steel Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.14 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: Larissa Newport on 14/05/2008 10:43:14
Hmm, so if my Pirate main will pledge allegiance to the Minmatar Republic, will he get a complete Letter of Marque against the enemies of the Republic and be able to enter all the Republic's space to hunt the enemies down? Or will the Republic Navy still try to fend me off in High Sec space, because of my security status with concord?
LN
Larissa Newport CEO, Newport Excavations
-- Newport Excavations trusted bankers are EBANK , the Universal Bank that is within everyone's reach -- |
Moncada
Amarr The Unbeholden
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Posted - 2008.05.14 10:44:00 -
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Battlegrounds for eve.. Wow..
Montada Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
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