Well, I guess the feeling if accomplishment from helping newbs as well as the fun in flying lolfits could be reward.

Do they count? lol

I would also like to site the entire market system, contracts, and PI as "reward for not playing"

I know, right.

Like getting SP when not logged in.

It's a travesty, I tell you!

Mr Epeen

"This self imposed loss" is successfully forced via being afk.

Your logic goes like this. If something is a potential threat and person chose to mitigate the risk via taking extra preconscious or running away, it it this person's fault.

Someone else's loss is someone else's reward.

So he has ability to grief while being AFK.

Of course it is in his control.

Fair enough. Let me rephrase it then.
You should not be able to influence other people behavior while being afk

No. My logic is like this: it's not the cloaker's fault if some moron decides to make silly decisions for stupid reasons. The moron could just choose not to be quite so moronic and make clever decisions instead, and thus make the problem the moron him/herself created go away. I see no reason why the cloaker should be punished with a nerf when exactly nothing of what happens is his or her fault.

So having potential threat that can spontaneously get alive next to you is a "stupid reason" and "silly decisions" is taking that into consideration in everything you do.

Forcing the ratter to use his brain(or dock) is a successful change in a behavior via no effort.

" it's a self-imposed loss for the ratters." Grifieng is a part of the game thus often someone else's loss is someone else's reward. It is a fundamental EVE characteristic.

"This self imposed loss" is successfully forced via being afk.

Your logic goes like this. If something is a potential threat and person chose to mitigate the risk via taking extra precocious or running away, it it this person's fault.

So having potential threat that can spontaneously get alive next to you is a "stupid reason" and "silly decisions" is taking that into consideration in everything you do.

If thats the case the only moron that you describe here is you sir.

The AFK cloakers must be there to remember you that you aren't in Empire anymore.

Go ahead, project your danger. But be at the keyboard like everyone else. Or die, like everyone else.

And who is there to remember the AFK cloakers that they themselves are not in empire anymore?

Go ahead, project your danger. But be at the keyboard like everyone else. Or die, like everyone else.

They generate false intel while not playing the game.

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unfortunatly ccp cannot nerf people open such threads

They generate false intel while not playing the game.

Not playing the game should not be rewarded.

The rest of the guys in the system.

Dealing with an AFK cloaker is simple: you shoot him.

Good news: if he's not at his keyboard (and therefore not an AFK cloaker), he can't project any danger. Problem solved before it even existed.

Forcing the ratter to use his brain(or dock) is a successful change in a behavior via no effort.

The threat an AFK cloaker brings is there, whether he's AFK or not. And you know this. When someone puts a gun to your face without you knowing whether it's loaded or not, doesn't mean there is no threat. The threat is still being projected and you must act as if you are in danger.

Lets change your metaphor around a bit because I don't think that it's entirely fitting for the situation of AFK Cloaking.

First Example: Snipers are deployed to combat zones to sit and wait, motionless.

You sir are lacking fundamental logic skill. I never said ratting should be allowed in a complete safety. As for me CCP could even remove local, that would ifx the problem i am describing also.

You're complaining about the cloaker changing your behaviour in game, but you're wanting to change theirs to suit you.

Eve is a great game because of how dangerous it is. Even in space that is labeled as "High Security Space" you can still die in a fire. But for some reason there is a ship mod that allows you to fly into the most dangerous solar system you can find, warp off somewhere, cloak up, and be so immune to danger that you can just leave your computer for hours.

If their behavior is going for pizza and sitting cloaked in system and generating false intel then yes.

If they are inactive they should vanish from local. Problem solved.

I once wanted to have some fun pvp'ing against this one cloaker that was in the same system as me. went out in a decent ship, flew to a neutral location and challenged him to a fight. Funny thing though was that the guy avoided me, wouldn't even talk to me, thought that is understandable. Us being enemies and all. He had no problem attacking a poor individual that had no way of fighting back though, but as soon as I appeared he would hightail it back to wherever he came from.

Why would this grizzled hardcore pvp monster shy away from pvp? He was even sporting a cloak module on his ship. And from what I know, the hardest of them all fight with a cloak module, right?