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Vieve Tisserand
Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.05.10 17:11:00 -
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Relief supplies continue to arrive on Caldari Prime. Strix would like to report that a transport containing nearly fifteen hundred tons of food, five tons of antibiotics, six thousand cubic litres of water and an additional hundred of security personnel has been successfully delivered to planetside distribution sites.
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Yarod Cool
Team JAVELIN Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2008.05.10 17:26:00 -
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We expats don't need relief supplies. We don't need special treatment. What we should get is the same thing Minmatar get when they move to the Federation: citizenship, equal treatment, equal protection.
We're here because we want to be a part of the Federation. Give us that chance.
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Madrosynth
Synthesis Deep Salvage
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Posted - 2008.05.10 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Fox Vulcan I agree with both Yamaoka and Lemieux. Simply jumping to conclusions will help no one here. IF the guilty party was indeed Gallantean, and are found in Gallante space, not only will their ships be siezed but they will be handed over to the Caldari to be dealt with as they see fit, under their laws. They should be considered the same as otehr pirates and terrorists, and no longer hold their rights as Federation citizens. Once again I hope that people can pull together at a time like this, where hostilities seem to be festering by the day.
I don't claim to be...politically knowledgeable by any stretch of the term, sir - but I can't help but wonder. When did it become Gallente custom to hand over the accused to a foreign nation without proper trial? All this talk of seized ships and revoked human rights...seems fairly un-Gallente if you get my drift.
I also wonder, sir, how a mere grunt in the Federal Navy Academy is going to see any of these things done?
[Take that which is given.]
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.05.10 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Yarod Cool We expats don't need relief supplies. We don't need special treatment. What we should get is the same thing Minmatar get when they move to the Federation: citizenship, equal treatment, equal protection.
We're here because we want to be a part of the Federation. Give us that chance.
Mr. Cool:
Please check the more common meaning of expatriate. It usually refers merely to one who lives in a foreign land, though it can also mean what you are.
That being the case, please be clear on for whom you speak when you talk of wanting to be a part of the Federation. I would hazard a guess that many, if not most, Caldari expatriates on Caldari Prime remain citizens of the State, and, as the article on the subject suggests, are living in Gallente territory on foreign worker visas.
Please don't assume every Caldari who physically and lastingly leaves the State does so out of a desire to escape it, or to become a part of another culture. Your renunciation of your native nationality is mirrored by some, perhaps, but certainly not by all-- likely not even by the vast majority.
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Stitcher
Caldari legion of qui Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.10 20:42:00 -
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Let's not make the mistake here of blaming the whole Federation for the actions of a pack of rowdy bigots. Our culture and heritage teach us to preserve judgement and balance, even in the face of the worst of adversities. Now that an important part of it is gone, we should honour that heritage all the more.
Yes, the destruction of our relics, the desecration of our sacred places and the insult thrown so firmly in the face of the Caldari people as a whole are crimes that should be answered for, but the Gallente Federation did not commit those crimes.
We should see justice done upon the criminals, not upon the unfortunate government under whose jurisdiction they were born. If we attempt to tar ALL of the Federation's citizens with the same brush as these few extremists, then we are no better than the terrorists who have done this to our people. -
Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain. |
Fox Vulcan
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.10 21:19:00 -
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Edited by: Fox Vulcan on 10/05/2008 21:19:51 Stitcher has put it very well, and also explained my reasoning, Madrosynth. The point of the Federation is freedom, no matter who you are, so long as you obey the rules and respect others freedom.
The headcases who decided that explosives would make a lasting answer are no better than pirates like the Serpentis, and will be treated as such. If they decide to take the rights of other citizens from them, they in turn have their rights revoked. And if the crime is against Caldari then it is only fair that they are tried by them, is it not?
And being a 'mere grunt' also means I am responsible for hunting down pirates and the like. Which means, should me or any of my wing-colleagues detain them, we can definitely see that appropriate justice is done.
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Madrosynth
Synthesis Deep Salvage
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Posted - 2008.05.10 21:39:00 -
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Edited by: Madrosynth on 10/05/2008 21:40:04 Edited by: Madrosynth on 10/05/2008 21:39:23
Originally by: Fox Vulcan Edited by: Fox Vulcan on 10/05/2008 21:19:51 Stitcher has put it very well, and also explained my reasoning, Madrosynth. The point of the Federation is freedom, no matter who you are, so long as you obey the rules and respect others freedom.
The headcases who decided that explosives would make a lasting answer are no better than pirates like the Serpentis, and will be treated as such. If they decide to take the rights of other citizens from them, they in turn have their rights revoked. And if the crime is against Caldari then it is only fair that they are tried by them, is it not?
And being a 'mere grunt' also means I am responsible for hunting down pirates and the like. Which means, should me or any of my wing-colleagues detain them, we can definitely see that appropriate justice is done.
((Edited Formatting))
I was under the impression that Gallente Democracy frowned on lynch mobs and vigilante justice. I was under the impression that the accused were innocent until proven guilty within the Federation.
I was also unaware that a low-ranking member of the Federal Navy Academy had the authority to do ANYTHING with a high value prisoner, much less deliver them into the hands of a foreign government.
But what do I know? I'm no Gallente citizen. I'll certainly tread lightly the next time I'm around a group of Federal Navy Students. Apparently they are all five-star generals who can circumvent the courts.
((Edits: Grammar.))
[Take that which is given.]
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Stitcher
Caldari legion of qui Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.10 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 10/05/2008 22:27:04
Agreed. Vigilante justice is not justice at all.
The Federation has a keen collective sense of political expediency. It would be... inconvenient for them not to be seen to be working to appease the Caldari people right now. I suspect that Federal justice in this instance will be done, and done HARD.
Oh, and if there's one thing I've noticed about the Federation, it's that under that genteel veneer of louche civilization lies a strong current of brutality. -
Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain. |
mr id
Caldari Grind Management
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Posted - 2008.05.10 22:38:00 -
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Ahhh give the guy a break! He's just recently received his pod lic, come on guys, don't you remember when you first got yours? I'm sure soon enough his direct commander will notify him to cool it when it comes to making official remarks that are beyond his scope and political awareness.
As far as justice, I strongly urge the Gallente officials to allow the State to conduct the trials of the individuals responsible for this outright hate crime. If the Gallente responsible for this hate Caldari citizens to this degree, they should leave Caldari Prime.
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.05.10 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: Archbishop on 10/05/2008 22:57:34
The honorable Lord Archbishop awakens from his short stay at the Imperial Monestary Retreat on Chaven and watches the holovid projector near the dining table broadcast the most recent news reports. A serving slave pours wine while another lays a plate in front of the Amarrian industrialist and servant of God.
Reading the news his eyes take on a sad look...
FROM THE NEWS:
"At least a dozen deaths have been reported as reaction to the hate crimes and acts of vandalism against Caldari landmarks on Caldari Prime led to violence."
"Dozens of acts of vandalism and violence were committed overnight against Caldari expatriates on Caldari Prime. Security camera footage revealed numerous bands of Gallentean vandals engaged in hate crimes ranging from the physical assault of ethnic Caldarians to the torching of the last surviving Tikiona State archeological site on the planet."
"Anti-Caldari sentiment was especially evident at defaced memorials dedicated to Caldarians killed during the Federation bombardment of those same locations hundreds of years earlier. "Where were the police?" one terrified expatriate asked. "We're supposed to be under Federation protection here-how could they let this happen?"
Clearly the honorable Caldari are once again betrayed by the false friendship of the Gallente. Only recently Archbishop recalled attempts to improve relations between to two Empires but now the true Gallente nature of hatred and anarchy was showing to all. The truth could not hide.
Violence, hatred, ethic and racial bigotry and clensing, the violence was shocking. While the Gallente would call the Amarr bigots the Amarr are in fact the chosen of God thus they are only doing their sacred role of Enlightening the lessor races. But the Gallente have no excuse, no justification, no reason other than wanton anarchy.
"So this is the fruit of democracy?" he says quietly with a smile. While the scene is sad, with many innocent Caldarians dying at the hands of the warmongering Gallente, the levity of the Gallente hypocrisy does not escape him. The Gallente claim to embrace freedom.
I guess the freedom to commit murder, violence and vandalism is their idea of showing their pride in their "society".
Archbishop
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Yarod Cool
Team JAVELIN Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2008.05.11 00:10:00 -
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Ms. Jenneth,
I would never assume I'm talking for you. But I've got employees down there in hospitals, and I know how hard it was for them to leave the State and what they want out of the Federation. We're not selling out our culture, either. Caldari Prime is home, and the Federation is home. I don't know how the Gallente make democracy and freedom work so well, but we deserve our share of that, too, as long as we're here and play by the rules.
Archbishop,
You can take your war drums and shove them up your waste pipe. You've never said an honest thing about the Federation. Why don't you go give a sermon to some of your slaves, maybe they'll believe your garbage.
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Sah Phyre
Gallente The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.05.11 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Yarod Cool
Archbishop,
You can take your war drums and shove them up your waste pipe. You've never said an honest thing about the Federation. Why don't you go give a sermon to some of your slaves, maybe they'll believe your garbage.
He only stated the painfully obvious, no need to be so aggressive... --------------------------------------------
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Vreena
Caldari Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2008.05.11 01:50:00 -
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Edited by: Vreena on 11/05/2008 01:50:52
Originally by: Sah Phyre
Originally by: Yarod Cool
Archbishop,
You can take your war drums and shove them up your waste pipe. You've never said an honest thing about the Federation. Why don't you go give a sermon to some of your slaves, maybe they'll believe your garbage.
He only stated the painfully obvious, no need to be so aggressive...
I don't see how it's obvious. It's an opinion that the Gallente are all blood thirsty bigots at their cores. Or are at least violent bigots at their cores. An opinion can only be obvious to those who hold the same opinion.
Myself and Mr. Cool obviously don't share that opinion and of course it's not obvious to us.
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The above does not in any way reflect the views and opinions of my corporation or alliance...well it could, but let's not be presumptuous, okay? |
Fox Vulcan
Gallente LYF Naval Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.11 02:13:00 -
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Well, it seems I actually concur with my critics about something. I've been in the Navy a few years now, and its only recently that I finally realied the bunch of beauracratic, political, useless streaks of corporate waste that they really are. What does the Navy really do? Mugs the occasional Serpentis too bumd to switch his afterburner on.
I agree with Freedom and always will. But freedom comes with the freedom to accept the consequences. People say the Gallanteans are wasteful, drug abusing nutcases. The people who fit this stereotype accept that the consequences of their actions will lead to the biggest mess up of their lives. The freedom of civilisation means that, if you choose to blow up inoccent citizens, you accept that the consequences will be the force of the law coming down on you like a ton of steel girders.
Anyway, I have handed in my rank in disgust, and am now enlisted with the LYF Academy, a much more liberal group, who come from all four corners of the Empire. I still hope that current events will be settled, that the perpertrators will be brought to justice, and that talk of hate and war will be put aside.
Although more and more I get the feeling that its a vain hope... ****************************
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Sinbad AlJabouri
Caldari Duty.
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Posted - 2008.05.11 02:49:00 -
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Duty. has dispatched all available non-combat vessels to Caldari Prime, in order to assist in the evacuation of any Caldari families under threat.
These vessels contain support personnel and emergency supplies. The leadership wishes to make it clear that this is a humanitarian mission with the goal of saving lives and not adding to the ongoing violence.
Finally, we urge the Federation to find a non-violent solution to this crisis. The current unbalanced police action will only escalate the situation.
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Natalcya Katla
Astropolitan Front
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Posted - 2008.05.11 04:20:00 -
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On behalf of Astropolitan Front and also speaking for myself personally, I strongly condemn these acts of racial violence, and of the practice of racism in any form.
I will go on to say that the recent upheavals on Caldari Prime is yet another piece of evidence of the planetside social environment being a festering cesspool of cultural extremism and racial hatred. Primitive ideas of cultural links through simple blood relations have their roots and strongest supporters planetside, and the more these ideas are allowed to bleed out into space, the more severely the forces of peace, order and stability in space are weakened and threatened.
The highest priority of any responsibly-minded authority in this matter should be to take whatever steps they can to make sure this problem stays land-locked. If these violent sentiments are allowed to inspire an increase in similar sentiments among the Astropolitan - or space-dwelling - population and among other planetary populations, the result could be detrimental or even disastrous for much of civilized space.
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Admiral Derooy
Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.05.11 07:22:00 -
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In my Humble opinion,
There are a few winners and whole bunch of losers...apply these words yourself to the current situation.
As for violence and bloodhsed leaving planetside, are you really that blind to your enviroment that you don't see that it is already there?
In the fight for survival there are no bystanders. Those who don't fight with you, are the enemy who need to be crushed! |
Horatio Nately
Caldari 808 Enterprises The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.05.11 08:41:00 -
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Yarod,
On behalf of 808 Enterprises, let me know if there's anything we can do to help you or your employees who may be stranded on Caldari Prime. ---------------------------------------
CEO 808 Enterprises, A Hawaii, USA Playercorp Supporting the Caldari State (of mind) |
Stitcher
Caldari legion of qui Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.11 09:40:00 -
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I'd like to point Archbishop and those who agree with him towards my first comment.
The flaws of a minority group of bigoted criminals should never reflect upon the society in which they were raised. I have worked alongside Gallentean pilots for the whole of my career, and count many among my closest and dearest friends. I daresay the majority of the Federation is as shocked and outraged over these attacks as we are.
These attacks prove nothing about Federation culture except to hammer home the point that Democracy is essentially a very polite argument. Freedom of expression means that anybody can - and, inevitably, somebody will - arrive at an extreme opinion, regardless of whether or not the majority consensus agrees with him. If that person then chooses to act upon his opinion, when the vast majority of the populace believe that it is wrong, then it is HIM that is at fault, not the Federation as a whole. The ability of the human race to form and act upon extreme opinions is not unique to the Federation, however - their liberal attitude towards freedom of speech just makes it easier.
Just because these psychopaths hail from the same culture that gave rise to this year's Aidonis winner does not reflect in any way upon that culture. After all, let's not forget that the War was sparked by a group of Caldari partisans acting without official sanction.
The Caldari, of all people, should not make the same mistake that the Gallente did all those years ago and blame an entire culture for the sins of a misfit few. -
Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain. |
Nathaniel Hull
Caldari 808 Enterprises The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.05.11 09:57:00 -
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If this continues, we Caldari free captains may have to consider giving other means of support to the ex pats bellow. Crates full of high-tech small arms and some training might back the Gallente police up from going into Caldari neighborhoods with "Deadly Force."
From the reports the rioters are angry but relatively unarmed, however the Federation Citizens are, Strange dont you think?
Why aren't we asking ourselves why it takes DEADLY force and not watercannons and other non leathal methods to stop them. Either the Federation Police are utterly incompetent or they have an adgenda. I cant believe the Federation has gotten so cheap that they can't buy a hose or some rubber bullets no tear gas? One day of riots and bullets are flying already! My guess is they want less Caldari on Caldari Prime and this will stop the influx of those Racial Caldari seeking work.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.05.11 14:00:00 -
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How sickening, Caldari loyalists. Whenever a Caldari acts against a Gallentean, it's his fault and his fault alone, but when a Gallentean acts against a Caldari, it's symptomatic of the nation in which he lives.
Perhaps I was wrong to defend you all. -----
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Gervais Zhang
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.05.11 15:08:00 -
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Edited by: Gervais Zhang on 11/05/2008 15:11:21 Um, you guys are wackos if you think you can control rioters with harsh language. Yeah, you CAN use certain chemicals, or you can use batons, but at some point, if the rioters are serious enough, but at some point, folks are going to die. Not every man sent to put down a riot has extensive training and the rubber bullets, the billyclubs, and the extreme cases when the only thing that will prevent the loss of innocent life is a handheld blaster, are going to periodically cause some criminals to lose lives.
Pretend you went to school and can do some research before you pontificate for political reasons, meatheads.
As for this guy, I'm only sad there's been no way for me to help the police myself the past few days. I'd love to clean out the gene pool a bit of those of my countrymen who can't get it into their skulls that it's our duty to stick up for the Caldaris in our midst, not gang up on them. Luckily, we showed the fanatics what we're about when we prevented Blaque's election...
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Cosme Lalande
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.05.11 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Gervais Zhang
Um, you guys are wackos if you think you can control rioters with harsh language. Yeah, you CAN use certain chemicals, or you can use batons, but at some point, if the rioters are serious enough, but at some point, folks are going to die. Not every man sent to put down a riot has extensive training and the rubber bullets, the billyclubs, and the extreme cases when the only thing that will prevent the loss of innocent life is a handheld blaster, are going to periodically cause some criminals to lose lives.
Pretend you went to school and can do some research before you pontificate for political reasons, meatheads.
As for this guy, I'm only sad there's been no way for me to help the police myself the past few days. I'd love to clean out the gene pool a bit of those of my countrymen who can't get it into their skulls that it's our duty to stick up for the Caldaris in our midst, not gang up on them. Luckily, we showed the fanatics what we're about when we prevented Blaque's election...
Because you're not "pontificating for political" purposes?
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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke
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PiF
Gallente TAKAGI Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.11 17:07:00 -
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The TAKAGI Corp is condemning the actions of theses fools who put in danger the lives and the properties of the caldari federal citizens established on Caldari Prime. The destruction of archeological sites is a crime against humanity itself and thus, is condemned also.
The Federation that TAKAGI Corp defends and that many Amarr nationalists or Caldari nationalists wish to destroy is not represented by theses destroyers of History. The Federation that TAKAGI Corp defends will not harm any citizen, regardless his past, his race or his religion.
TAKAGI Corp will offer its help for the relief effort and will perform patrols in the Luminaire system in order to ensure that no one will try to use theses unfortunate incidents as matches to light a greater fire.
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Trent Valtine
Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.05.11 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: mr id The Gallente scum responsible should be brought to justice, in Caldari space.
A very logical thought, seeing as these crimes were committed in Federation territory and the crimes were committed against those living in the Federation and against Federation landmarks, historical sites, and property. It seems perfectly reasonable that the Federation would turn over these criminals to some other government, doesn't it?
Probably not gonna happen.
However, I have no doubt that my government will deal with these criminals justly. These are attacks on our people and on our history as well. Remember that.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.05.11 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop "So this is the fruit of democracy?" he says quietly with a smile. While the scene is sad, with many innocent Caldarians dying at the hands of the warmongering Gallente, the levity of the Gallente hypocrisy does not escape him. The Gallente claim to embrace freedom.
I guess the freedom to commit murder, violence and vandalism is their idea of showing their pride in their "society".
Archbishop
Truer words.
I have come to expect this degree of profound insight into the reality of things from you, Archbishop. It is a shame our organizations are at odds due to my criminal actions in the past - in the storm that is to come, I would not hesitate to lend my men and my guns to the Amarr Empire.
Our two cultures will soon find themselves in an united front against the Feds and the Tribes.
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.05.11 17:57:00 -
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Quote: I have come to expect this degree of profound insight into the reality of things from you, Archbishop. It is a shame our organizations are at odds due to my criminal actions in the past - in the storm that is to come, I would not hesitate to lend my men and my guns to the Amarr Empire.
It is encouraging to see that even one with as dark and devious a heart as yourself sees the reality of the situation. While your desire to seek better relations is unexpected I will say your list of sins is so long I can not readily believe you could spend the remainder of your natural life repenting and still atone for a fraction of your past atrocities.
You have harmed many in the Amarrian community in the past and have stolen from an Amarr Loyalist corporation in the legendary "Guiding Hand Robbery". You have participated in blood sports with the sani sabik and all manner of sinful indulgences as you pursued a life of crime. As I said I have my doubts a list of sins so long can be repented for in one lifetime.
Archbishop
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.05.11 18:06:00 -
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A question, if you'll allow it.
I understand that the things I have done have sullied my once good standing with Amarr. I honestly regret having to take this course. If I were to seek, and dedicate myself wholly toward redemption in the eyes of the Empire...
What would it take?
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.05.11 18:08:00 -
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More news headlines bringing forth the true atrocity of the Gallente "democracy" to the masses.
"Anti-Caldari sentiment was especially evident at defaced memorials dedicated to Caldarians killed during the Federation bombardment of those same locations hundreds of years earlier. "Where were the police?" one terrified expatriate asked. "We're supposed to be under Federation protection here-how could they let this happen?"
Obviously the Federation "Police" were nowhere to be found. They're not interested in protecting the innocent Caldarians rather they are probably sitting around in some drug induced haze reading poxnographic magazines or watching holovids.
But the situation has changed somewhat. The Caldari arose and struck back justifiably at the Gallente oppressors as they were pushed to the breaking point by the Gallente anarchy.
"Eyewitness accounts describe enraged Caldari workers turning against Gallentean proprietors, who in turn are defending themselves with "all means at their disposal", including the use of deadly force."
While the Gallente rioting and vandalizing was met with Caldari shock and tears the Caldari in defending themselves have been met with deadly force. Obviously the violence prone Gallente couldn't wait to pull out the weapons and open fire.
Then the police emerged from "nowhere" with deadly force.
"Raging ethnic violence on Caldari Prime took a turn for the worse as Federation police opened fire on rioting Caldari expatriates."
A pattern emerges. Gallente commit violence and vandalism and no police response at all. Caldari defend themselves and are met with deadly force. This forces the question where were the police all this time? Was this actually the Gallente plan? Devise a way for the Caldari to become angry then kill them once and for all? Perhaps this is the final solution the Gallente came up with to deal with the few Caldari remaining on the planet. While the bombardment didnt get them off perhaps this will.
A travesty of anarchy and corruption in a federation that would have you believe all is "well" in democracyland. More lies and deception from a society built on sin.
Archbishop
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Nathaniel Hull
Caldari 808 Enterprises The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Nathaniel Hull on 11/05/2008 21:12:49
Originally by: Archbishop
While the Gallente rioting and vandalizing was met with Caldari shock and tears the Caldari in defending themselves have been met with deadly force. Obviously the violence prone Gallente couldn't wait to pull out the weapons and open fire
Archbishop
Thats my point exactly, Gallente treatment of the situation has not be fair and equitable and in their actions they are slaughtering ethnic Caldari, we have no reports of mass Gallente casualties. Does the Federation really want this episode to be called the Caldari Prime Massacre? That is what it is shaping up to be, lest we loyal Caldari step in on the Expats behalf.
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