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Warrio
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.08 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Makes them feel powerful. Remember you are talking about teenaged kids (and "mental teenagers") who need love and can't bear to know that someone isn't paying attention to them. The guy didn't care about the kill as much as he cared that he was hurting you, and when you didn't whine or cry on local it made him feel lonely.
In reference to smack-talking after a PvP encounter in Eve.
Its existence can be seen in every game forum and every public forum in one way or another. Sometimes it manifests itself as an extrapolation of another's personality because of an action in game (i.e. X did Y and therefore X must kill puppies), other times it manifests as an assumption of life experience (i.e. X did Y therefore X must have not been loved by Z). However, on all occasions it consists of one person making a judgement of another with only a few small pieces of incidental evidence from which to glean the entirety of their information.
Sadly, I am not a forum psychologist and as such I would like to be told why other forum psychologists feel that they are able to make these diagnosis and whether they can be assumed to, in some situations, be correct.
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Havohej
Minmatar The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.05.08 03:09:00 -
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It's because of... uh.
cuz.
In all seriousness, I like this post. I'm interested to see the responses as well.
Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
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Aadi Grox
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.05.08 03:52:00 -
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It stems from a love of the smack talker's mother and extreme jealousy of the smack talker's father, causing him to engage in dominant behavior to overcome the jealousy of his father being dominant over him.
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Lithalnas
Amarr Headcrabs
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Posted - 2008.05.08 04:58:00 -
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People think of their eve items as their work, something they created, they also find it unfair that i can legally come in and smash it to bits.
When they get mad at me for 'violenceing' their ships, i tell them its a game, that leads into the whole killer of small animals because I am a heartless unremorseful pirate and it just goes down from there. -------------
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Joe Starbreaker
Smoking Hillbillys Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.08 06:18:00 -
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Quote: an extrapolation of another's personality because of an action in game
You've taken my above diagnosis far out of context. I was not speculating on reasons why people do pirate things in a pirate game. Rather, it was a thread about smack talking. The question at hand, as I recall, was about what motivates certain mentally deficient members of our community to smack talk in a particularly childish way.
Most EvE players enjoy blowing stuff up and defeating worthy opponents in non-consensual combat. That wasn't the issue. Many players enjoy further infuriating their opponents with witty banter on local. That wasn't the issue. The issue was the mental children one encounters from time to time who offend the entire community by typing things that garner no respect and bring no joy to anyone... we're talking racial slurs, l33t-type slang, and self-admissions of failure (e.g. calling somebody a coward because they aren't smart enough to catch them).
PS: This is C&P. Post with your main or STFU.
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Aadi Grox
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.05.08 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Quote: an extrapolation of another's personality because of an action in game
You've taken my above diagnosis far out of context. I was not speculating on reasons why people do pirate things in a pirate game. Rather, it was a thread about smack talking. The question at hand, as I recall, was about what motivates certain mentally deficient members of our community to smack talk in a particularly childish way.
Most EvE players enjoy blowing stuff up and defeating worthy opponents in non-consensual combat. That wasn't the issue. Many players enjoy further infuriating their opponents with witty banter on local. That wasn't the issue. The issue was the mental children one encounters from time to time who offend the entire community by typing things that garner no respect and bring no joy to anyone... we're talking racial slurs, l33t-type slang, and self-admissions of failure (e.g. calling somebody a coward because they aren't smart enough to catch them).
PS: This is C&P. Post with your main or STFU.
eat poo
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Garmon
Minmatar Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.05.08 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Aadi Grox
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Quote: an extrapolation of another's personality because of an action in game
You've taken my above diagnosis far out of context. I was not speculating on reasons why people do pirate things in a pirate game. Rather, it was a thread about smack talking. The question at hand, as I recall, was about what motivates certain mentally deficient members of our community to smack talk in a particularly childish way.
Most EvE players enjoy blowing stuff up and defeating worthy opponents in non-consensual combat. That wasn't the issue. Many players enjoy further infuriating their opponents with witty banter on local. That wasn't the issue. The issue was the mental children one encounters from time to time who offend the entire community by typing things that garner no respect and bring no joy to anyone... we're talking racial slurs, l33t-type slang, and self-admissions of failure (e.g. calling somebody a coward because they aren't smart enough to catch them).
PS: This is C&P. Post with your main or STFU.
eat poo
I agree with this post.
In fact eat my poo! __________________________________ Me being an hero in my battle boat
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Navtiqes
Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2008.05.08 06:33:00 -
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Forum psychologists make threads more interesting to read. Don't scare them away!
If they get it 'right', I'm guessing that's because of the mathematic probability inherent with the sheer number of forum shrink diagnosis.
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PXR 5
Minmatar 801
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Posted - 2008.05.08 07:26:00 -
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really it's simpler than that, and more fundamental - look up the word "lek" on Wikipedia - here's the url:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lek_%28mating_arena%29
quote from the first paragraph: "A lek is a gathering of males, of certain animal species, for the purposes of competitive mating display. Leks assemble before and during the breeding season, on a daily basis. The same group of males meet at a traditional place and take up the same individual positions on an arena, each occupying and defending a small territory or court. Intermittently or continuously, they spar individually with their neighbors or put on extravagant visual or aural displays (mating "dances" or gymnastics, plumage displays, vocal challenges, etc.)."
IMO this encompasses most of all internet social activity; forums, games, comments, etc. however misplaced it seems it can't be helped. Too bad we've evolved to have a year-round breeding season.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2008.05.08 07:41:00 -
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They saw a documentary about it
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Joe Starbreaker
Smoking Hillbillys Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.08 08:26:00 -
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You know it's funny, somebody in-game called me a forum celebrity the other day. Guess my victory is complete.
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar Sten Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.08 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: PXR 5 really it's simpler than that, and more fundamental - look up the word "lek" on Wikipedia - here's the url:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lek_%28mating_arena%29
quote from the first paragraph: "A lek is a gathering of males, of certain animal species, for the purposes of competitive mating display. Leks assemble before and during the breeding season, on a daily basis. The same group of males meet at a traditional place and take up the same individual positions on an arena, each occupying and defending a small territory or court. Intermittently or continuously, they spar individually with their neighbors or put on extravagant visual or aural displays (mating "dances" or gymnastics, plumage displays, vocal challenges, etc.)."
IMO this encompasses most of all internet social activity; forums, games, comments, etc. however misplaced it seems it can't be helped. Too bad we've evolved to have a year-round breeding season.
So what you're saying is that people who smack talk are un-evolved knuckle draggers?
I would agree with that. _ EVE RELATED CONTENT |
sxndy
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.08 09:53:00 -
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Edited by: sxndy on 08/05/2008 09:53:06 Interesting, it reflects something that happened last night.
My friend scanned out and caught a ship inside a mission; he gave the mission runner a ransom offer. The mission runner refused the offer (was a small amount), then my friend killed him and looted his ship.
The mission runner then started smack talking in local, this quickly turned to threats. The mission runner implied in local that he would hack any sites my friend was involved and destroy them, he confirmed this with 2 eve mails to my friend.
20 minutes later the mission runner had an old email address of my friend. I can only imagine the mission runner had hacked an old Corp forum that my friend had been in and stole one of his old email addresses that he no longer uses. He posted the email address in an eve mail to my friend
My friend petitioned this and we are hoping to see a decent outcome.
Just shows that some people are willing to take their grievances outside the game.
Pretty funny, and pretty stupid on the mission runnerĘs part.
On another thought, anyone got a link to a thread that you can post your funniest eve hate mails? I got one or two that are just hilarious!
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Scrutt5
Snuff inc
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Posted - 2008.05.08 09:58:00 -
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I enjoy a little smack talk from time to time :)
No offense if ever meant, its purley for the enjoyment of those lucky enough to be on our comms server.
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Dlardrageth
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.08 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker [...] Most EvE players enjoy blowing stuff up and defeating EASY opponents in non-consensual combat.[...]
Fixed that for you!
If the majority of people were indeed going for tight/fair/worthy fights, EVE-O would look somewhat different, just think of the popular outblobbing mechanism.
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Tom Harry
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Posted - 2008.05.08 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Scrutt5 I enjoy a little smack talk from time to time :)
No offense if ever meant, its purley for the enjoyment of those lucky enough to be on our comms server.
OP was talking about the forum psycologists and why they think they know what everyone else is thinking. that they had a bad childhood etc. |
Ordon Gundar
Caldari Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.08 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: PXR 5 really it's simpler than that, and more fundamental - look up the word "lek" on Wikipedia - here's the url:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lek_%28mating_arena%29
quote from the first paragraph: "A lek is a gathering of males, of certain animal species, for the purposes of competitive mating display. Leks assemble before and during the breeding season, on a daily basis. The same group of males meet at a traditional place and take up the same individual positions on an arena, each occupying and defending a small territory or court. Intermittently or continuously, they spar individually with their neighbors or put on extravagant visual or aural displays (mating "dances" or gymnastics, plumage displays, vocal challenges, etc.)."
IMO this encompasses most of all internet social activity; forums, games, comments, etc. however misplaced it seems it can't be helped. Too bad we've evolved to have a year-round breeding season.
Except most smackers dont partake in any breeding activity, due to their spending too much time online when they should be spending time looking for the opposite sex with which to breed. Most of them only breed with their right hands.
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Kjell Naturell
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Posted - 2008.05.08 11:47:00 -
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Heh. Forum psychology is great fun. I consider it a sofisticated form of smacktalk. Not that I do it much myself. I'm a RL psychologist, and get enough of "diagnosing" as it is. I play this game to NOT be myself. I want to be aggressive at times, aiming at space game losers. That has everything to do with YOUR MOM. Not mine. Now, what was I talking about? Forgot.
Yeah; I never ever read any forum psychology that that is not meant as harm. Talking over someone's (supposedly dumb) head is fun. It is a cool forum phenomenon.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.08 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dlardrageth
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker [...] Most EvE players enjoy blowing stuff up and defeating EASY opponents in non-consensual combat.[...]
Fixed that for you!
If the majority of people were indeed going for tight/fair/worthy fights, EVE-O would look somewhat different, just think of the popular outblobbing mechanism.
Believe it or not your organization gets a lot of support/respect from the outlaw community as a whole.
Your "fix" is ignorant.
Maybe refrain from generalized commentary based on crap or keep it to CAOD.
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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sxndy
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.08 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tom Harry
Originally by: Scrutt5 I enjoy a little smack talk from time to time :)
No offense if ever meant, its purley for the enjoyment of those lucky enough to be on our comms server.
OP was talking about the forum psycologists and why they think they know what everyone else is thinking. that they had a bad childhood etc.
First line of thread was "In reference to smack-talking after a PvP encounter in Eve." Therefore Scrutts contribution was relevant.
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Feilamya
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm
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Posted - 2008.05.08 12:15:00 -
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I don't think this is merely a forum phenomenon. "Professional" Psychology is not much different. Just look at what so-called psychologists say on TV, in newspapers and other mass media, it's the same crap. The Germans' crusade against violence in video games is the perfect example of this as it involves an army of psychologists and other clowns presenting results of so-called "studies" on the subject in the media. I wonder how much a psychologist gets paid for saying what certain people want to hear.
Psychology today is in a similar state as Medicine was a couple of hundred years ago. It's a whole lot of crazy Voodoo **** far from anything that could seriously be called science.
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Zirconium Blade
Ass Pounding Space Monkeys
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Posted - 2008.05.08 12:44:00 -
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Going to have to agree with the part where you should all eat poo.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.05.08 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Warrio In reference to smack-talking after a PvP encounter in Eve.
Its existence can be seen in every game forum and every public forum in one way or another. Sometimes it manifests itself as an extrapolation of another's personality because of an action in game (i.e. X did Y and therefore X must kill puppies), other times it manifests as an assumption of life experience (i.e. X did Y therefore X must have not been loved by Z). However, on all occasions it consists of one person making a judgement of another with only a few small pieces of incidental evidence from which to glean the entirety of their information.
Sadly, I am not a forum psychologist and as such I would like to be told why other forum psychologists feel that they are able to make these diagnosis and whether they can be assumed to, in some situations, be correct.
You think that's intense? Wait until they start phoning you at home and threatening to kill you or throw a molotov through your window, because you robbed their corporation.
The best part of it is, those very same people, the ones divorced enough from reality to try and find out where you live IRL, are the same ones doing this kind of psychobabble analysis.
Carebears... like to think they're better somehow, than PVPers. When you show them they're simply inferior human beings with diminished mental capacity and emotional control, they tend to act out. Where PVPers clearly see the distinction between game and reality, carebears try to impose real-world morals on a simulation. As such, they begin to consider it a part of their reality, and threatening to murder someone IRL over a popped ship begins to seem sensible.
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Avelie
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Posted - 2008.05.08 13:25:00 -
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Personally when I go into forum psychology and call all of you a bunch of childish bastards (which you no doubt are) it's just based on the stuff you read on the forums here yes, so basicly it's like picking up a fragment of a pot and trying to say how the complete pot must have looked.. Which means if people's behavior here continue through in their real life then I'm right, but I sorta hope it just is that little unique fragment though :P
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2008.05.08 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Dlardrageth
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker [...] Most EvE players enjoy blowing stuff up and defeating EASY opponents in non-consensual combat.[...]
Fixed that for you!
If the majority of people were indeed going for tight/fair/worthy fights, EVE-O would look somewhat different, just think of the popular outblobbing mechanism.
you would know
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Gan'it Hunhau
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Posted - 2008.05.08 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Dlardrageth
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker [...] Most EvE players enjoy blowing stuff up and defeating EASY opponents in non-consensual combat.[...]
Fixed that for you!
If the majority of people were indeed going for tight/fair/worthy fights, EVE-O would look somewhat different, just think of the popular outblobbing mechanism.
you would know
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Hanso Sparxx
Mighty Morphin Power Rangers
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Posted - 2008.05.08 17:26:00 -
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The anonymity of the Wide World of Internets empower people to react much differently than they would if they were personally accountable for their actions/remarks on the internet.
I see this same behavior from people driving their cars. Meet someone in person and they are nice, normal, polite people - get them behind the wheel of a car and they'll cut you off and give you the finger without a second thought.
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kublai
Caldari Art of War Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.08 21:52:00 -
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Edited by: kublai on 08/05/2008 21:54:46 It's really quite simply, yet complicated.
You see the majority of human beings have issues with people who are better than them in some way.
For example, let me give you some myths.
Brilliant scientists are book smart and lack social intelligence, well they may be better than me at counting quarks, but i'm socially superiour!
Athletes have superiour body, stamina and strenght compared to me, but they're all on stereoids so i'm better than them.
etc etc.
So when Jonny average gets podded by Kublai Jonny average needs to create an inferiourity in me to keep his own self esteem up.
How does jonny average do this?
Well Kublai was obviously sexually abused as a child (I get this a lot, and people are quite serious), because of this he is mentally screwed up and thus I am worth more than him.
It's ok that he killed me, because i'm superiour, besides I was killing an npc in my wicked rupture, i'd so have kicked his ass if I wasn't on the rat.
This is reflected in many facets of our society, take religion, ingroup mentalities etc etc etc.
Personally? I try to shed this, I try to simply admit, some people are better than me, but dearest jonny average, your behaviour has not warranted a place on this list, and with what little empirical data I have on you, while I won't try to rank you or anyone else, i'll look down on you for the little man you appear to be.
Reflected people of all ages, let your mantra when faced with situations like these be "Some people are better at some things than I, and it's ok"
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doctorstupid2
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.05.08 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: doctorstupid2 on 08/05/2008 22:54:38 Forum shrinks are really just trying to tell you they love you, but because daddy fingered their ****ers they're unable to maturely express emotion without anecdotal pseudo-psychiatry.
also, joe starbreaker has a big ugly stupid nose.
I'm impressed that **** is filtered on the forums. CCp's really *****ing down on poty mouths
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Faife
Noctiscion Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.08 22:56:00 -
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it's something in the competition and your peers. i have no idea why i never get ****talked in team fortress, but within minutes of starting counterstrike i had my race, religion, and sexual preference called into doubt non stop and then on about 2 times per match.
some eve corps foster people who do that (often telling themselves it's "for the lulz"), others dont.
personally i think it's sad that as a pack creature we get pleasure and amusement from the frustration of others. i guess it's the competition instinct kicking in.
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